conversations: human
conversations:  Arena Tournament, Round 67:  Squirrel  vs.  Yrik    
   Map: 
   
   Spoiler 
   
   
  
   XP Award:  300xp
   GP Award:  300gp
  
   Squirrel  - Sallera
   Yrik  - Gigz
  
  
   All Combatants, please roll initiative and declare any final purchases. 
conversations: ArenaManager:
conversations: human
conversations:  Init:  (1d20+4)[ 10 ] 
  
  No purchases yet, waiting to see yours.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Yrik purchases a can of whoop-a$$ and prepares to open it. :p
  
  Initiative:  (1d20+1)[ 4 ] 
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Squirrel, Round 1 
  
  Starting in B13, loaded sling in one hand, other empty.
  Move: To K8.
  Standard: Ready an action: 
   Spoiler 
  Move, drawing greatsword, if Yrik either attacks me or ends his turn.
   
  
  
  Stats: 
   Spoiler 
  HP 18/18, AC 18 (14, 14)
  PP: 1/1
  Psionically focused
  Bursts: 3/3
  Loc: K8
   
  
  Done.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Yrik, round 1
  
  Yrik starts in Y13 with a giant greatsword in hands. He then moves to Q9 and readies an action.
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Yrik will rage and attack if his opponent comes within 2 squares.
   
  
  
  Done.
  
  Stats:
   
   Spoiler 
  
  HP13
  AC 15 (t11 ff14)
  F+1/R+1/W+0
  Rage: Unused
   
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  This triggers Squirrel's readied action, and he moves to P9, drawing his greatsword.  I presume this triggers your readied action, whatever it is.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Correct, when Squirrel moves into the O row Yrik snarls and froths, growing in size and attempting to chop his opponents head off.
  
  Attack:  (1d20+8)[ 23 ] 
  Damage:  (3d6+14)[ 25 ] 
  
  
  Also, since Yrik has reach while raging, moving into P9 provokes an AoO as well.
  
  AoO Attack:  (1d20+8)[ 14 ] 
  Damage:  (3d6+14)[ 28 ] 
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Provided that one can ready an action to both rage and attack, that would be match.
  
  Edit: To clarify, the SRD states:
   
   Originally Posted by SRD 
   You can ready a standard action, a move action, or a free action. 
   
  
    So it doesn't seem as though one could ready both a free and standard action.  It doesn't seem to specify whether entering a rage is a free action or a non-action, though, hence my confusion.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  From what I understand (admitedly, I could be wrong) entering a rage is a non-action that can be combined with an action. The entry in the SRD states "Entering a rage takes no time itself, but a barbarian can do it only during his action, not in response to someone else’s action." So, as long as it's my action I should be able to rage while doing it. Much like moving and drawing a weapon.
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  GM Kyeudo  
  
  (One moment)
conversations: Kyeudo:
conversations: human
conversations:  While we're quoting the SRD:
  
   
   Originally Posted by SRD 
   Entering a rage takes no time itself, but a barbarian can do it only during his action, not in response to someone else’s action. 
   
  
  this means you can't ready a rage altogether, a redo will be necessary from Yrik's round 1 turn, or he can simply ready a different action and we'll go from there, your call.
conversations: Lubirio:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by gigz 
   Much like moving and drawing a weapon. 
   
  
  Heh, so it is.  So yes, I don't have the greatsword drawn then.
  
  
   
   Originally Posted by Lubirio 
   While we're quoting the SRD:
  
  this means you can't ready a rage altogether, a redo will be necessary from Yrik's round 1 turn, or he can simply ready a different action and we'll go from there, your call. 
   
  
  That just means that it's a free action, not an immediate action.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Lubirio 
   While we're quoting the SRD:
  
  this means you can't ready a rage altogether, a redo will be necessary from Yrik's round 1 turn, or he can simply ready a different action and we'll go from there, your call. 
   
  
  Kyeudo is already attending the matter Lubirio...
conversations: Scorer:
conversations: human
conversations:  GM Kyeudo  
  
  After checking Errata, the SRD, and even the FAQ, I have been unable to pin down a definitive action type for Rage using online sources. Seeing as the ability shares all of the characteristics of a free action (activatable any time during your action but not during anyone else's turn, takes no time), I'd have to rule that it is a free action.
  
  As such, Sallera is correct. You can only ready one action, not both. I'll give Yrik the option: You can redo your turn in light of the new information, or you can use your readied action to either Rage or attack, but not both. If you take either of the later options, we'll keep the original rolls and apply the appropriate adjustments as necessary.
conversations: Kyeudo:
conversations: human
conversations:  It would probably be easier for Yrik to redo his first turn then, as I've been previously informed that he cannot use his greatsword unless he is raging. So, in that light...
  
  Yrik, turn 1 (redux)
  Yrik starts in Y13 with a giant greatsword in hands. He rages and moves to Q9, then readies an action.
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Yrik will rage and attack if his opponent comes within 2 squares.
   
  
  
  
  Done.
  
  Stats:
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  HP16
  AC 10 (t6 ff9)
  F+7/R+1/W+2
  Rage: 1/8
   
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Squirrel's readied action will take him to M7.  If this doesn't trigger your readied action, open. 
   Spoiler 
   Squirrel, Round 2 
  
  Standard: Attack with sling.
  Attack:  (1d20+5)[ 25 ] 
  Damage:  (1d4+2)[ 6 ] 
  Crit confirm:  (1d20+5)[ 9 ] 
  Crit damage:  (1d4+2)[ 5 ] 
  Move: To F13, drawing greatsword.
  
  Stats:  
   Spoiler 
  HP 18/18, AC 18 (14, 14)
  PP: 1/1
  Psionically focused
  Bursts: 3/3
  Loc: F13
   
  
  Done.
   
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Which square did you drop your sling in?
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Didn't drop it yet, I'm holding the greatsword one-handed rather than actually wielding it.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Yrik, round 2
  
  Yrik shrugs off the giant welt on his forhead and moves to I10 before readying an action
   
   Spoiler 
  
  If Squirrel ends his turn outside of Yrik's reach, or if Squirrel charges, or if Squirrel begins to load his sling, Yrik will move.
   
  
  
  Done.
  
  Stats:
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  HP  16  10
  AC 10 (t6 ff9)
  F+7/R+1/W+2
  Rage: 2/8
   
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ah... of course.  That  would  be the flaw in my plan.  Should have foreseen that. 😛
   Squirrel, Round 3 
  
  Free: Drop sling.
  Free: Rage.
  Standard: Ready action: 
   Spoiler 
  5ft step towards Yrik and attack if Yrik comes within 10ft.
   
  
  
  Stats: 
   Spoiler 
  HP 20/20, AC 16 (12, 12)
  PP: 1/1
  Psionically focused
  Bursts: 3/3
  Loc: F13
   
  
  Done.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  That triggers Yrik's readied action. He moves to H10. If that does not trigger your readied action, continue on. If it does trigger it, then I reserve the right to rewrite. :)
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Yrik, round 3
  
  Yrik will stand there, assessing his opponent and ready an action.
   
   Spoiler 
   If Squirrel readies an action, Yrik will take a 5-foot step up and sunder his greatsword.
   
  
   
  
  
  Done.
  
  Stats:
   
   Spoiler 
  
  HP  16  10
  AC 10 (t6 ff9)
  F+7/R+1/W+2
  Rage: 3/8
   
  
  
  @refs: (informative question only, no need to hold the match yet)
   
   Spoiler 
  
  After re-reading the Ready action, it allows one to take a 5 foot step as part of a readied action. I'm going to assume that even though raging seems even less of an action than a 5-foot step, because ready specifically allows a step and does not mention rage, it gets chocked up to another "Makes little sense but RAW is LAW" type rule. Am I correct?
   
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  High Ref Scorer  
  
  @Yrik
   
   Spoiler 
  
  I'm afraid you can't take a 5 foot step and sunder...
  
  As before, you can only ready one action, whether it is move, free, or standard
   
conversations: Scorer:
conversations: human
conversations:  @refs:
   
   Spoiler 
  
  From the SRD "You can take a 5-foot step as part of your readied action, but only if you don’t otherwise move any distance during the round." I moved as part of last rounds readied action, so everything should be a legal turn. I was more asking for a confirmation of the previous ruling about not raging during a readied action was because it was not specifically mentioned in the Ready entry.
   
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  @refs/Yrik: 
   Spoiler 
  Actually, the readied action description of the SRD specifically states that you can take a 5-ft step as part of a readied action, provided you did not move on the turn you readied the action.
  
  Edit: Ninja'd!
  
  Editedit: It specifically states that you can take a 5-ft step, not free actions. Specific trumps general. In my opinion, that would be a "no" to raging as a secondary part of a readied action.
   
conversations: Schism:
conversations: human
conversations:  Squirrel, Round 4 
  
  Standard: Ready action: 
   Spoiler 
  5ft step towards Yrik and attack as soon as Yrik is within 10ft.
   
  
  
  Stats: 
   Spoiler 
  HP 20/20, AC 16 (12, 12)
  PP: 1/1
  Psionically focused
  Bursts: 3/3
  Rage 6 rounds
  Loc: F13
   
  
  Done.
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  You readying an action triggers my readied action. Yrik steps up and attempts to sunder your greatsword.
  
  Opposed attack:  (1d20+20)[ 28 ] 
  Damage:  (3d6+14)[ 22 ] 
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Opposed attack roll vs. sunder:  (1d20+9)[ 26 ]   Don't know why I didn't buy a backup weapon or two, I was planning on it... &lt;&lt;;;
  
  You then trigger my readied action.  Squirrel 5ft steps up and attacks you.  On the off-chance my greatsword's still in one piece:
  Attack:  (1d20+5)[ 25 ] 
  Damage:  (2d6+6)[ 16 ] 
  Crit confirm:  (1d20+5)[ 22 ] 
  Crit damage:  (2d6+6)[ 16 ] 
  Elsewise, screwed anyway, so may as well go unarmed:
  Attack:  (1d20+5)[ 14 ] 
  Damage:  (1d3+4)[ 6 ] 
  Crit confirm:  (1d20+5)[ 17 ] 
  Crit damage:  (1d3+4)[ 6 ] 
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  Your sword should be toasted (Hardness 10, HP 10, meaning I needed to do a total of 20 damage to shatter it. I hit that by a couple points).
  
  Since I don't see improved unarmed strike on your sheet, going to assume your attack provokes an AoO.
  
  AoO attack:  (1d20+8)[ 25 ] 
  Damage:  (3d6+14)[ 28 ] 
  
  If you still stand, your punch still connects with the stupidly easy to hit Goliath, though he still stands after taking the damage.
  
  Done?
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Done and done.  No more Xeph. 😛
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  PHEW! Man, that was much closer than I would have liked. I hated busting your sword like that, but with no backup weapon besides the sling it was seriously the best option I had. :(
conversations: gigz:
conversations: human
conversations:  Heh, aye.  As I said, I saw your improved sunder and was going to buy a backup or two, but it must have slipped my mind.  The 10ft reach kinda turns the whole match into positioning... fun strategies.  Oh, and out of curiosity, do you take up 4 squares while raging, or do you just act like a large creature?
conversations: Sallera:
conversations: human
conversations:  High Ref Scorer  
   After an amazing exchange of big numbers in rolls... Yrik wins and takes the loot! 
conversations: Scorer:
conversations: human
conversations:  Yeah, he takes up 4 squares while raging. Makes some of the maps a bit complicated if he has to squeeze into areas.
conversations: gigz: