conversations: human
conversations:  Arena Tournament, Round 48:  Zhorj  vs.  Vinnie    
   Map 
   
   Spoiler 
  
   
   
  
   XP Award:  300 XP
   GP Award:  300 GP
  
   amazinggameguru - Zhorj 
   Fishy - Vinnie 
   All Gladiators, please roll initiative 
conversations: ArenaManager:
conversations: human
conversations:  Zhorj  
  
  Initiative
  [roll0]
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 15/15
  AC: 16, FF 14, Touch 12 (4 armor, 2 dex)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: N2
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Init
   (1d20-4)[ 14 ] 
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Vinnie will start in M25, weapons in his belt, no purchases.  May the best halfling win!
  
  Initiative:  (1d20-1)[ 17 ] 
  
  EDIT: Rock.  Any purchases on your part?
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  no purchases here
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Then off we go!
  
   Vinnie - Round 1 
  
  Actions, for refs:  
   Spoiler 
  Swift Action: Activate Child of Shadows stance.
  
  Double-move to K14, drawing one dagger and one shortsword as he goes.
   
  
  
  Done.
  
  Statblock, for refs: 
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  Position: K14
  HP: 13/13
  AC: 19, Touch: 16, Flat: 14
  Saves: +5/+6/-5
  Stance: Child of Shadows
  20% concealment: Yes
  Maneuvers:
  [] Shadow Blade Technique
  [] Wolf Fang Strike
  [] Sudden Leap
   
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Zhorj Round 1  
  
  Actions For ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Zhorj activates Travel Devotion then runs to N10 if there is no LoS he continues to N17 gripping his glaive in one hand and drawing a javelin while moving.  If LoS is established he will throw the javelin, otherwise he will move to N25.  If he makes it there are there any obvious tracks in the sand indicating direction of his prey?
  attack if necessary
   (1d20+3)[ 7 ] 
  dmg
   (1d6+6)[ 9 ] 
   
  
  
  Stats for Ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 15/15
  AC: 16, FF 14, Touch 12 (4 armor, 2 dex)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: N25
  Travel Devotion 10/10
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ref Talic 
  
  
  LOS!
  
  @Refs: 
   Spoiler 
  Fishy's short height makes it easier for her to hide here.  Assuming middle area is 15 feet at all points, the first point at which Fishy is close enough to the lip for her opponent, at an assumed 5 feet tall, is K14.  Any farther, and she's too far back to be seen, or to see.  Indeed, even now, if Fishy had rolled a hide check, it would apply, as there is concealment from Zhorj to fishy (but not vice versa).
   
  
  
  LOS is established as Fishy enters K14.  Vinnie has in hand a shortsword and a dagger.  There is a visible effect on Vinnie.  Swirling shadows surround him, making him difficult to discern.
  
  Opponent, Zhorj, is in N2.  Zhorj has a glaive in hand.
  
  Play continues.  Turn is still Vinnie's.
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  Thanks for that, but it doesn't change my move.  Vinnie continues to  
   Spoiler 
  K14
   
  , although I'll need a ref with MS Paint to check if that breaks LoS or not.  :P
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ref Talic 
   
   Spoiler 
   
   
  
  
  It does not, although it does provide cover, and all the usual bonuses thereof.
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  Cool, in that case:
  
  @refs:  
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  Hide/Move silent, with penalties for full speed, on the off chance I beat a -6 modifier.  :P
  
  Hide:  (1d20-12)[ 7 ] 
  Move Silently:  (1d20-12)[ 7 ] 
   
  
  
  Done.
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Zhorj Round 1  
  
  Actions For ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Zhorj activates Travel Devotion then runs to N10
   
  
  Rest of turn pending LoS
  Stats for Ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 15/15
  AC: 16, FF 14, Touch 12 (4 armor, 2 dex)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: N25
  Travel Devotion 10/10
   
  
  Passive skills
   
   Spoiler 
  
  spot
   (1d20-6)[ 11 ] 
  listen
   (1d20-6)[ 6 ] 
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ref Pirateking89
   
  Zhorj is standing in N10 holding a glaive and vinnie is standing in K14 wielding shortsword and dagger.
conversations: pirateking89:
conversations: human
conversations:  [QUOTE=amazinggameguru;4758039]  Zhorj Round 1 Continued  
  
  Actions:
  Zhorj enters his whirling frenzy and charges moving to M13 then attacking with blinding speed trying to inflict as much pain as possible
  
  Attack 1
   (1d20+10)[ 24 ] 
  dmg
   (2d10+22)[ 32 ] 
  miss if applicable
   (1d100)[ 40 ] 
  Attack 2
   (1d20+9)[ 22 ] 
  dmg
   (2d10+22)[ 30 ] 
  miss if applicable
   (1d100)[ 34 ] 
  Stats for Ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 15/15
  AC: 16, FF 14, Touch 12 (4 armor, 2 dex, 2 dodge, -2 charge)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: M13
  Travel Devotion 10/10, Using Thrall to Demon luck bonus on first hit, whirling frenzy 7/7
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Hunh?  That's not a legal charge.  A charge is a full round action, moving in a straight line- I don't think you can get pounce and your extra attack from that position.
  
  Also, where does 2d10+22 come from?
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  High Ref Talic 
  
  @Zhorj: 
   Spoiler 
  Travel devotion must ba activated as a swift action on the first round.  As it requires an additional swift action to USE, it cannot be used the round you activate it.  Please correct your turn.  Rewind play to after travel devotion activation, before move.
   
  
  
  Attack is invalid.  Rewinding a bit.  Zhorj's turn.
  
  Note:  For a charge to be valid, you must have a full round action available to charge.
  As of the time your turn starts, you must have LOS to your opponent.
  You must move in a straight line to the nearest square you can attack from.
  You must have no obstructions between your square and the square you're moving to.
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  Zhorj Round 1 Continued  
  Doh!  sorry about any screw ups
  
  Actions:
  Zhorj enters his whirling frenzy and moves to N10 taking a hand off his glaive and pulling a javelin which he hurls at the halfling.  After hurling the javelin he places his free hand back on the glaive.
  
  Attack
   (1d20+4)[ 8 ] 
  dmg
   (1d6+8)[ 14 ] 
  miss if applicable
   (1d100)[ 89 ] 
  
  Stats for Ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 15/15
  AC: 18, FF 14, Touch 14 (4 armor, 2 dex, 2 dodge)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: N10
  Travel Devotion 10/10, Using Thrall to Demon luck bonus on hit, whirling frenzy 7/7
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  That's a miss, unfortunately.  Quick ref question before my next move?
  
  @refs:  
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  I'm not entirely familiar with the Horned Helmet: Is that a gore attack that can only be used on the end of a charge, like other horned things?
  
  Also, if I make a Tumble check to move past him, does the DC go up by 2 each time I move through a threatened square, or is it a flat DC15, he can't hit me with AoOs this round?
  
  Also, I can't find his movement speed on his sheet: can he go all the way to N10 and have a move action left over?
  
  Thanks!
   
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ref Talic 
  
  @Fishy: 
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  Researching Horned Helm now.
  
  Tumble DC increases by number of opponents, not number of squares moved.  1 opponent threatening = DC15.
  
  Zhorj's speed is listed directly under his Primary stats.  His previous movement was legal as posted.
   
  
  
  @Zhorj: 
   Spoiler 
  Where are the stats for your item "Horned Helm"?  Is it aesthetic flavoring, or does it actually have a function.
   
  
  
  Match paused, pending an answer to a question or two.
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  @ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Horned Helm gives x2 dmg on a charge, it is from Races of Faerun.
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Are we good to go?
  
   Vinnie - Round 2 
   Vinnie steps away from his attacker for a moment, then sprints forwards in a blur of speed and shadow, somersaulting through the air to strike with both blades- at about the height of Zhorj's knees. 
  
  Move action: Head south to K15, then diagonally northeast to N12.  This serves as a running start for...
  
  Swift Action: Initiate Sudden Leap, moving to O11, Tumbling as I go.
  
  Jump (DC10):  (1d20+8)[ 12 ] 
  If that roll fails to beat DC 10, I can still jump, but this next tumble check will have an additional -10 modifier, for not moving half my speed.
  Tumble (DC15):  (1d20+10)[ 24 ] 
  If that roll fails, Zhorj gets his AoO.
  
  Standard Action: Initiate Wolf Fang Strike.
  Dagger:  (1d20+5)[ 8 ] 
  Damage (piercing):  (1d3+6)[ 9 ] 
  
  Shortsword:  (1d20+5)[ 22 ] 
  Damage (slashing):  (1d4+6)[ 8 ] 
  
  And with that, done.
  
  Statblock, @refs:  
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  Position: O11
  HP: 13/13
  AC: 19, Touch: 16, Flat: 14
  Saves: +5/+6/-5
  Stance: Child of Shadows
  20% concealment: Yes
  Maneuvers:
  [] Shadow Blade Technique
  [X] Wolf Fang Strike
  [X] Sudden Leap
   
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Zhorj Round 2  
  
  Actions:
  Zhorj activates travel devotion and moves to O16 provoking an AoO.  If still alive he charges to O13 and attacks using pounce
  
  Attack 1
   (1d20+9)[ 29 ] 
  dmg
   (2d10+22)[ 32 ] 
  miss if applicable
   (1d100)[ 2 ] 
  
  Attack 2
   (1d20+9)[ 22 ] 
  dmg
   (2d10+22)[ 32 ] 
  miss if applicable
   (1d100)[ 55 ] 
  
  Stats for Ref
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp: 7/15
  before charge
  AC: 18, FF 14, Touch 14 (4 armor, 2 dex, 2 dodge)
  after charge
  AC: 16, FF 14, Touch 14 (4 armor, 2 dex, 2 dodge, -2 charge)
  Glaive in hand
  Location: O13
  Travel Devotion 9/10, whirling frenzy 6/7
   
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ah, that's what you were working towards.  Nice build.
  
  That first hit misses, the second is basically going to annihilate me unless this AoO does the trick.
  
  Attack (Shortsword):  (1d20+7)[ 18 ] 
  Damage (Slashing):  (1d4+6)[ 8 ] 
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Fishy 
   Also, where does 2d10+22 come from? 
   
  
  Because of abyss bound soul I get double damage on a charge
  
  It all comes down to the AoO now
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  got ninja'd :)
  
  that is right on if accurate but I think that you are still at just a +5 bonus since you are still at a -2 from your wolf fang strike
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  I figured as much, I couldn't find that feat anywhere.  :P
  
  Also, I looked it up for you, and I'm pretty sure that Wolf Fang Strike, unlike Two-Weapon Fighting, doesn't put any penalties on anything else I do during the turn.  So... Ninja'd in more ways than one?
conversations: Fishy:
conversations: human
conversations:  I thought that there was a general rule that modifiers applied until the start of your next turn.  Don't have the time to dig for rules right now so the refs will probably just get to decide.  Either way the match is over, well fought, it's a nice build.  I've wanted to put together a build like that for a while now, shadowblade rocks :)
conversations: amazinggameguru:
conversations: human
conversations:  High Ref Talic 
  
  Short answer:  Vinnie's Attack of Opportunity is not affected by Wolf Fang Strike's penalty.
  
  Long answer: 
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  Modifiers last for the duration specified in the ability giving the bonus or penalty.  For example, the penalty to AC from charge lasts until the beginning of your next turn (as stated), however, the bonus applies only to the one attack you make.  Other examples include the bonuses and penalties from rage, and the like.
  
  Relevant text for Wolf Fang Strike:
   
   Originally Posted by ToB 
   Both attacks must target the same creature, and you take a -2 penalty to each attack roll. 
   
  
  Compare Versus other abilities:
  
  
   
   Originally Posted by SRD, Power Attack 
   On your action, before making attack rolls for a round, you may choose to subtract a number from all melee attack rolls and add the same number to all melee damage rolls. This number may not exceed your base attack bonus. The penalty on attacks and bonus on damage apply until your next turn. 
   
  
  
   
   Originally Posted by SRD, Charge 
   After moving, you may make a single melee attack. You get a +2 bonus on the attack roll and take a -2 penalty to your AC until the start of your next turn. 
   
  
  Note how in both charge and in Wolf Fang strike, the bonus/penalty is specifically noted to apply to the specific attacks granted by the ability.  In Power attack, the modifiers last for one round (as does the AC penalty from charge), because it says so.  In the same manner, the penalties for wolf fang strike apply only to the attack rolls you make as part of the maneuver, because that's what the maneuver says.
   
  
  
  Thus, at the time of the AoO (before the charge is announced, Zhorj's AC is 18 (flat footed and touch AC are 14).
  
  Attack of opportunity hits, and reduces Zhorj to -1 HP.  As Zhorj has no abilities which allow him to continue at -1HP, that should be the match.
  
  EDIT:  On a side note, impressive charger build concept on Zhorj, and awesome use of maneuvering and skills together with attacks for Vinnie.  I love this match.
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  High Ref Talic 
   Vinnie Wins!  Collect your spoils, and relax a bit before your next round. 
conversations: Talic:
conversations: human
conversations:  Awesome!  Thanks for the match, amazinggameguru, and best of luck in the future.
conversations: Fishy: