conversations: human
conversations:  Please list buffs, place yourself, and roll init and knowledge checks
  
   
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   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Dragon =14
   
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Hp 387
  AC 42 FF 42 To 8
  Fort +24, Ref +18, Will +21
  
  Shield CL 11
  Resistance CL 11
  Spells (5/6/7/7/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  
  Placing myself at squares from I19-J20
  Initiative:  (1d20+8)[ 27 ] 
  second roll from ring of anticipation:  (1d20+8)[ 14 ] 
  Buffs: Shield(SLA) CL20
  Spell Turning(SLA) CL20
  Current Stance: Leaping Dragon Stance
  Maneuvers Readied: Moment of Perfect Mind, Action Before Thought, Dancing Mongoose, Emerald Razor, Sudden Leap, Cloak of Deception, Bonesplitting Strike, Shadow Stride
  Edit: Taking first init roll obviously
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
    
   Spoiler 
  
  Placing myself at squares from I19-J20
  Initiative: [roll0]
  second roll from ring of anticipation: [roll1]
  Buffs: Shield(SLA) CL20
  Spell Turning(SLA) CL20
  Current Stance: Leaping Dragon Stance
  Maneuvers Readied: Moment of Perfect Mind, Action Before Thought, Dancing Mongoose, Emerald Razor, Sudden Leap, Cloak of Deception, Bonesplitting Strike, Shadow Stride
  Edit: Taking first init roll obviously
   
   
   
  
  You go first.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  "So I'll be facing one of my own kind, well lets get started then." Caex says as he charges, leaps into the air landing next to the dragon and tears into him with teeth, claws, wings, and tail.
   
   Spoiler 
  
  Use Dancing Mongoose, choosing bite and tail for the extra attacks.
  Charge and using power attack to take a -20 penalty and converting it to a ac penalty using the heedless charge option of shock trooper.
  Jump check for leap attack: (1d20+29)[ 40 ] (I auto succeed since leaping dragon stance adds +10ft to jumps so I get +40 damage from power attack)
  Bite1:  (1d20+34)[ 41 ]  Damage:  (2d8+53)[ 68 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 44 ]  Damage:  (2d8+53)[ 63 ] 
  Bite2(From Dancing Mongoose):  (1d20+34)[ 54 ]  Damage:  (2d8+53)[ 62 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 36 ]  Damage:  (2d8+53)[ 60 ] 
  Claw1:  (1d20+35)[ 49 ]  Damage:  (2d6+47)[ 54 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+35)[ 38 ]  Damage:  (2d6+47)[ 49 ] 
  Trip attempt if I hit:  (1d20+35)[ 54 ] 
  Claw2:  (1d20+35)[ 52 ]  Damage:  (2d6+47)[ 58 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+35)[ 40 ]  Damage:  (2d6+47)[ 55 ] 
  Trip attempt if I hit:  (1d20+35)[ 38 ] 
  Wing1:  (1d20+34)[ 48 ]  Damage:  (1d8+47)[ 54 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 43 ]  Damage:  (1d8+47)[ 55 ] 
  Wing2:  (1d20+34)[ 40 ]  Damage:  (1d8+47)[ 53 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 54 ]  Damage:  (1d8+47)[ 49 ] 
  Tail1:  (1d20+34)[ 38 ]  Damage:  (2d6+19)[ 28 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 38 ]  Damage:  (2d6+19)[ 28 ] 
  Trip attempt if I hit:  (1d20+34)[ 39 ] 
  Tail2(From Dancing Mongoose):  (1d20+34)[ 41 ]  Damage:  (2d6+19)[ 30 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+34)[ 54 ]  Damage:  (2d6+19)[ 22 ] 
  Trip attempt if I hit:  (1d20+34)[ 36 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  It's uh dead....
  
  Shall I roll up your next foe?
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  So yeah I should drop shock trooper since its what really puts my char over the edge. Without it I would actually have to take attack penalties to do more damage. +40damage to all attacks at no attack penalty is just too much.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   So yeah I should drop shock trooper since its what really puts my char over the edge. Without it I would actually have to take attack penalties to do more damage. +40damage to all attacks at no attack penalty is just too much. 
   
  
  Okay, tell me when you're done with the edit.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Done with edits ready for second test now.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Roll init, Place yourself, List buffs roll knowledge checks. What special senses do you have, you cannot see this creature under normal circumstances.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
   Placed from I19-J20 like last time
  Initiative rolls:  (1d20+7)[ 10 ]   (1d20+7)[ 14 ] 
  Buffs: Shield CL20, Spell Turning CL20
  Maneuvers Readied: Moment of Perfect Mind, Action Before Thought, Dancing Mongoose, Shadow Stride, Bonesplitting Strike, Emerald Razor, Shadow Stride, Disrupting Blow
  Senses: Darkvision 120ft and Blindsense 60ft like all dragons
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
    
   Spoiler 
   Placed from I19-J20 like last time
  Initiative rolls: [roll0] [roll1]
  Buffs: Shield CL20, Spell Turning CL20
  Maneuvers Readied: Moment of Perfect Mind, Action Before Thought, Dancing Mongoose, Shadow Stride, Bonesplitting Strike, Emerald Razor, Shadow Stride, Disrupting Blow
  Senses: Darkvision 120ft and Blindsense 60ft like all dragons
   
   
   
  
  You move first, and can see the creature.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Illven 
   You move first, and can see the creature. 
   
  
  So are we doing higher than 50 hits or lower than 50 hits for the miss chance from total concealment?
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   So are we doing higher than 50 hits or lower than 50 hits for the miss chance from total concealment? 
   
  
  I prefer lower then 50.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ok then
   
   Spoiler 
  Swift Action: use dancing mongoose choosing bite and tail for extra atks.
  Charge(only taking a -2 penalty from power atk to be safe):
  Jump Check for leap attack:  (1d20+27)[ 35 ] 
  Bite1:  (1d20+32)[ 44 ]  damage  (2d8+17)[ 28 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 93 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 51 ]  damage  (2d8+17)[ 26 ] 
  Bite2: (1d20+32)[ 49 ]  damage  (2d8+17)[ 30 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 43 ]  damage  (2d8+17)[ 25 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 3 ] 
  Claw1:  (1d20+33)[ 50 ]  damage  (2d6+11)[ 19 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+33)[ 52 ]  damage  (2d6+11)[ 22 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 15 ] 
  trip attempt if it hits:  (1d20+33)[ 36 ] 
  Claw2:  (1d20+33)[ 35 ]  damage  (2d6+11)[ 15 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+33)[ 43 ]  damage  (2d6+11)[ 19 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 81 ] 
  trip attempt if it hits:  (1d20+33)[ 42 ] 
  Wing1:  (1d20+32)[ 40 ]  damage  (1d8+11)[ 15 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 51 ]  damage  (1d8+11)[ 13 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 31 ] 
  Wing2:  (1d20+32)[ 50 ]  damage  (1d8+11)[ 15 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 33 ]  damage  (1d8+11)[ 17 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 3 ] 
  Tail1:  (1d20+32)[ 51 ]  damage  (2d6+23)[ 28 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 38 ]  damage  (2d6+23)[ 27 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 60 ] 
  trip attempt if it hits:  (1d20+32)[ 35 ] 
  Tail2:  (1d20+32)[ 37 ]  damage  (2d6+23)[ 32 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+32)[ 40 ]  damage  (2d6+23)[ 33 ] 
  miss chance  (1d100)[ 78 ] 
  trip attempt if it hits:  (1d20+32)[ 46 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Your attack wounds the creature. Who conjures a transparent rainbow wall between you.
  
  I think you forgot your ability drain on your bite?
  
  Your turn.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 111/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Umm I should be adjacent to it unless it moved and you didn't mention it. A large dragon still only has a reach of 5ft and only my bite is 10ft.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Umm I should be adjacent to it unless it moved and you didn't mention it. A large dragon still only has a reach of 5ft and only my bite is 10ft. 
   
  
  Ah sorry. Assume you are then, and the green line is between you and it.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  I also realized I put shadow stride twice in the maneuvers readied, also does the wall block line of effect?
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  No it does not.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Ok then
   
   Spoiler 
  Move Action: use shadow stride to teleport adjacent(K9) to it
  Standard Action: use bonesplitter strike(using tail and taking -5 penalty from power attack)
   (1d20+27)[ 28 ]  damage  (2d6+29)[ 35 ]  2 con damage no save if hits
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 26 ] 
  Trip Attempt:  (1d20+27)[ 45 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Your attack misses the creature.
  
  The creature conjures up another rainbow wall.
  
  Your turn
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 111/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/2)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
   Full Round Action: recover and change readied maneuvers using adaptive style
  New Maneuvers Readier: Shadow Stride, Sudden leap, Bounding Assault, Bonesplitter Strike, Dancing Mongoose, Emerald Razor, Cloak of Deception.
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  The creature seems to be reading for something.
  
  Your turn.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 111/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/2)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Move Action: Shadow Stride to I7
  Standard Action: use bonesplitter strike(tail, taking -5 penalty like last time)
  [/roll]1d20+27[/roll] damage  (2d6+29)[ 33 ]  2 con damage if it hits
  Possible Crit Confirm: [roll[1d20+27[/roll] damage  (2d6+29)[ 36 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 74 ] 
  Trip attempt: [roll1d20+27[/roll]
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  The creature conjures a rainbow wall between you when you teleport. Do you attack anyway?
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 111/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/1)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
   No attacking and how high is the wall and how high is the ceiling?
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
    
   Spoiler 
   No attacking and how high is the wall and how high is the ceiling?
   
   
   
  
  No ceiling, and 30 feet high
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
   Ok then second move action: fly over the wall and land adjacent to it at H9.
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  It conjures another wall.
  
  Your turn
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 111/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/0)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  So what exactly happens if I fly over and land on top of it?
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   So what exactly happens if I fly over and land on top of it? 
   
  
  The wall or the creature?
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  The creature, if I fly over the wall and above it I would fall at eot since my maneuverability isn't high enough.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   The creature, if I fly over the wall and above it I would fall at eot since my maneuverability isn't high enough. 
   
  
  I think you would land prone, just above the creature.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Move Action Fly over the wall and descend to one square above it.
  Standard Action: use emerald razor(tail taking a -15 penalty this time)
   (1d20+17)[ 24 ]  touch attack, damage  (2d6+49)[ 58 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+17)[ 31 ]  damage [roll2d6+49[/roll]
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 41 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+17)[ 26 ] 
  Fall at end of turn.
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Your attack misses the creature.
  
  It proceeds to cast a spell defensively. And a burst of cold air blasts you.
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
   (1d20+16)[ 34 ] 
   (15d6)[ 53 ] 
   
  
  
  No damage.
  
  
  Your turn.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Queen =6
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Formian queen
  
  Hp 53/190
  AC 31 To 9 FF 23
  
  Fort +22, Will +22
  
  Heroism CL 17
  Resist energy (All) CL 17
  Protection from arrows CL 17
  Invisibility CL 17
  Mage armor CL 17
  Shield CL 17
  Resistance CL 17
  
  Spells left (5/6/1/6/7/7/6/6/0)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Umm did you forget it was a touch attack? Also I have evasion from swordsage so no damage. Also I am currently prone from falling right?
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Umm did you forget it was a touch attack? Also I have evasion from swordsage so no damage. Also I am currently prone from falling right? 
   
  
  Ah, yes I did forget. Fixed, and yes.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Swift Action: Use Dancing Mongoose, choosing bite and tail for extra attacks
  Full Attack(No power attacking this time, included -4 penalty from prone):
  Bite1:  (1d20+28)[ 47 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 23 ]  Ability Drain 1d6 con DC19 Fort
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+28)[ 45 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 23 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 16 ] 
  Bite2:  (1d20+28)[ 37 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 25 ]  Ability Drain 1d6 con DC19 Fort
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+28)[ 33 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 22 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 77 ] 
  Claw1:  (1d20+29)[ 34 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 14 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+29)[ 49 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 21 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 80 ] 
  Trip Attempt:  (1d20+29)[ 44 ] 
  Claw2:  (1d20+29)[ 42 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 16 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+29)[ 36 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 14 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 11 ] 
  Trip Attempt:  (1d20+29)[ 46 ] 
  Wing1:  (1d20+28)[ 37 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 8 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+28)[ 29 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 10 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 90 ] 
  Wing2:  (1d20+28)[ 37 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 8 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm:  (1d20+28)[ 29 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 14 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 42 ] 
  Tail1: [roll]1d20+28[/roll[ damage (2d6+19)[ 21 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm: [roll]1d20+28[/roll[ damage (2d6+19)[ 29 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 84 ] 
  Trip Attempt:  (1d20+28)[ 47 ] 
  Tail2: [roll]1d20+28[/roll[ damage (2d6+19)[ 29 ] 
  Possible Crit Confirm: [roll]1d20+28[/roll[ damage (2d6+19)[ 28 ] 
  Miss Chance:  (1d100)[ 8 ] 
  Trip Attempt:  (1d20+28)[ 43 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  The creature dies.
  
  Shall I roll a new foe?
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Sorry been busy for the past few days, it seems my character may still need some nerfs but not really sure what.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Sorry been busy for the past few days, it seems my character may still need some nerfs but not really sure what. 
   
  
  Perhaps reduce to 12 hitdice as a start?
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Yeah that would probably do it, in that case I also added shock trooper back on since even with no attack penalty my character would still need to roll extremely high to hit the opponents. I'm ready for another test now.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Okay, you know the drill.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Dragon =23
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Mature adult Bronze dragon
  
  Hp 247
  AC 38, touch 11, flatfooted 35
  Full Atk +37 melee (2d8+11, bite), +32 melee (2d6+6, 2 claws), +32 melee (1d8+6, 2 wings), +32 melee (2d6+15, tail slap) +extra attack
  Ref +17
  
  Dex 14
  Good hope CL 9
  Haste CL 9
  Cat's grace CL 9
  Shield CL 9
  Divine favor CL 9
  Spells (6/6/6/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Initiative:  (1d20+7)[ 16 ]   (1d20+7)[ 26 ]  Edit: Taking second roll
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
    
   Spoiler 
  Initiative: [roll0] [roll1] Edit: Taking second roll
   
   
   
  
  You move first.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Forgot to list maneuvers readied and buffs before
  Buffs: Shield CL20, Spell Turning CL20
  Maneuvers Readied: Action before Thought, Moment of Perfect Mind, Dancing Mongoose, Emerald Razor, Cloak of Deception, Bonesplitting Strike, Shadow Stride, Elder Mountain Hammer
  Stance: Leaping dragon Stance
  Swift action: use dancing mongoose(claw and tail)
  Charge: Jump Check  (1d20+29)[ 47 ] (taking -20 with power attack and converting it to ac with shock trooper)
  Bite1:  (1d20+24)[ 35 ]  damage  (2d8+53)[ 63 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 36 ]  damage  (2d8+53)[ 64 ] 
  Con Drain(in case it rolls a 1):  (1d6)[ 3 ]  DC19 Fort
  Claw1:  (1d20+25)[ 39 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 55 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+25)[ 35 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 54 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+25)[ 44 ]  touch attack
  Claw2:  (1d20+25)[ 40 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 55 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+25)[ 34 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 50 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+25)[ 34 ]  touch attack
  Claw3:  (1d20+25)[ 40 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 52 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+25)[ 34 ]  damage  (2d6+47)[ 53 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+25)[ 31 ] 
  Wing1:  (1d20+24)[ 40 ]  damage  (1d8+47)[ 50 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 27 ]  damage  (1d8+47)[ 50 ] 
  Wing2:  (1d20+24)[ 42 ]  damage  (1d8+47)[ 53 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 42 ]  damage  (1d8+47)[ 52 ] 
  Tail1:  (1d20+24)[ 29 ]  damage  (2d6+59)[ 63 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 43 ]  damage  (2d6+59)[ 68 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+24)[ 39 ]  touch attack
  Tail2:  (1d20+24)[ 43 ]  damage  (2d6+59)[ 67 ] 
  Possible crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 40 ]  damage  (2d6+59)[ 71 ] 
  Trip attempt:  (1d20+24)[ 41 ]  touch attack
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  You killed your foe.
  
  Remove shocktrooper.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Well to be fair I did roll a 14, 2 15s, a 16, an 18, and a 19. Looking at its ac I only hit it on a 14(13 for claws) or higher which is a 35% chance and the other dragons has higher ac.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  To be fair on average you'd probably bloody it at worst.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Also I miscounted damage since I only have 12 BAB now so thats 96 damage less.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Also I miscounted damage since I only have 12 BAB now so thats 96 damage less. 
   
  
  It still dies.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Illven 
   It still dies. 
   
  
  Actually it would still be alive since thats only 236 damage.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Your attack severely wounds the dragon
  
  It goes
   
   Spoiler 
  
   (1d20+35)[ 53 ] 
   (2d8+13)[ 24 ] 
   (1d20+35)[ 53 ] 
   (2d8+13)[ 25 ] 
  
  Claw
   (1d20+30)[ 40 ] 
   (2d6+7)[ 17 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 42 ] 
   (2d6+7)[ 14 ] 
  
  Claw
   (1d20+30)[ 47 ] 
   (2d6+7)[ 12 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 38 ] 
   (2d6+7)[ 15 ] 
  
  Wing
   (1d20+30)[ 46 ] 
   (1d8+7)[ 10 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 42 ] 
   (1d8+7)[ 9 ] 
  
  Wing
   (1d20+30)[ 40 ] 
   (1d8+7)[ 12 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 36 ] 
   (1d8+7)[ 13 ] 
  
  Tail slap
   (1d20+30)[ 34 ] 
   (2d6+17)[ 27 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 42 ] 
   (2d6+17)[ 27 ] 
  
  Tail slap 2
   (1d20+30)[ 49 ] 
   (2d6+17)[ 26 ] 
   (1d20+30)[ 41 ] 
   (2d6+17)[ 28 ] 
   
  
  
  You take 128 points of damage. Leaving you at 26/154 hp
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Dragon =23
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Mature adult Bronze dragon
  
  Hp 40/276
  AC 38, touch 11, flatfooted 35
  Full Atk +37 melee (2d8+11, bite), +32 melee (2d6+6, 2 claws), +32 melee (1d8+6, 2 wings), +32 melee (2d6+15, tail slap) +extra attack
  Ref +17
  
  Dex 14
  Good hope CL 9
  Haste CL 9
  Cat's grace CL 9
  Shield CL 9
  Divine favor CL 9
  Spells (6/6/6/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Swift Action: use cloak of deception
  Standard action : use emerald razor(tail):  (1d20+24)[ 31 ]  touch attack while invisible
  damage  (2d6+19)[ 26 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  You're not going to full attack?
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Illven 
   You're not going to full attack? 
   
  
  Well considering it was almost dead and dragons have low touch ac it was the better choice. Anyways from this test it seems its either I kill it quickly with lucky rolls or it kills me which it has a much higher chance of doing.
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Well considering it was almost dead and dragons have low touch ac it was the better choice. Anyways from this test it seems its either I kill it quickly with lucky rolls or it kills me which it has a much higher chance of doing. 
   
  
  Well actually... First time through, I put the wrong total for hp... 😳
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by Illven 
   Well actually... First time through, I put the wrong total for hp... 😳 
   
  
  Oh in that case should I take that back or just let it kill me?(Actually nvm since I miscounted my hp as well I actually have 194hp after the 8hd lost)
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Originally Posted by demidracolich 
   Oh in that case should I take that back or just let it kill me?(Actually nvm since I miscounted my hp as well I actually have 194hp after the 8hd lost) 
   
  
  You should probably full attack, since that has a decent kill chance.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Also did you forget to roll the opposed check for my trip attempts before?
  Anyways full attack (no power attack)
  bite:  (1d20+24)[ 28 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 26 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 33 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 22 ] 
  claw1:  (1d20+25)[ 31 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 17 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+25)[ 34 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 12 ] 
  trip attempt:  (1d20+25)[ 32 ]  touch attack
  claw2:  (1d20+25)[ 44 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 16 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+25)[ 34 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 12 ] 
  trip attempt:  (1d20+25)[ 30 ]  touch attack
  wing1:  (1d20+24)[ 32 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 15 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 38 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 12 ] 
  wing2:  (1d20+24)[ 39 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 13 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 37 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 11 ] 
  tail:  (1d20+24)[ 33 ]  damage  (2d6+19)[ 24 ] 
  potential crit confirm:  (1d20+24)[ 37 ]  damage  (2d6+19)[ 21 ] 
  trip attempt:  (1d20+24)[ 26 ]  touch attack
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  Roll strength checks for the first round attacks that hit.
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Alright then.
   
   Spoiler 
  1st set of attacks
  claw1:  (1d20+10)[ 15 ] 
  claw2:  (1d20+10)[ 17 ] 
  claw3:  (1d20+10)[ 14 ] 
  tail2:  (1d20+10)[ 18 ] 
  second set
  claw2:  (1d20+10)[ 12 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  The dragon is retroactively tripped. Dealing less damage, so you are at 83/190 hp
  
   
   Spoiler 
  
  The dragon power attacks for max
  
   (1d20)[ 8 ] 
   (2d8+33)[ 38 ] 
   (1d20)[ 14 ] 
   (2d8+33)[ 41 ] 
   (1d20)[ 18 ] 
   (2d6+28)[ 37 ] 
   (1d20)[ 20 ] 
   (2d6+28)[ 33 ] 
   (1d20)[ 14 ] 
   (2d6+28)[ 39 ] 
   (1d20)[ 19 ] 
   (2d6+28)[ 33 ] 
   (1d20)[ 17 ] 
   (1d8+28)[ 32 ] 
   (1d20)[ 20 ] 
   (1d8+28)[ 36 ] 
   (1d20)[ 4 ] 
   (1d8+28)[ 35 ] 
   (1d20)[ 2 ] 
   (1d8+28)[ 36 ] 
   (1d20)[ 11 ] 
   (2d6+39)[ 49 ] 
   (1d20)[ 13 ] 
   (2d6+39)[ 44 ] 
   
  
  
  You take no damage.
  
   
   Spoiler: The map 
  
     
   
  
   
   Spoiler: The init 
  
  Dragon =23
   
  
   
   Spoiler: Monster info 
  
  Mature adult Bronze dragon
  
  Hp 14/276
  AC 38, touch 11, flatfooted 35
  Full Atk +37 melee (2d8+11, bite), +32 melee (2d6+6, 2 claws), +32 melee (1d8+6, 2 wings), +32 melee (2d6+15, tail slap) +extra attack
  Ref +17
  
  Dex 14
  Good hope CL 9
  Haste CL 9
  Cat's grace CL 9
  Shield CL 9
  Divine favor CL 9
  Spells (6/6/6/6/4)
   
conversations: Illven:
conversations: human
conversations:  Spoiler 
  Swift action: use cloak of deception
  Full Attack(no power attack):
  bite:  (1d20+24)[ 42 ]  damage  (2d8+13)[ 18 ]  con drain  (1d6)[ 5 ]  DC 16 cause hd loss
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+24[/roll] damage  (2d8+13)[ 21 ] 
  claw1:  (1d20+25)[ 45 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 12 ] 
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+25[/roll] damage  (2d6+7)[ 18 ] 
  claw2:  (1d20+25)[ 39 ]  damage  (2d6+7)[ 13 ] 
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+25[/roll] damage  (2d6+7)[ 16 ] 
  wing1:  (1d20+24)[ 30 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 15 ] 
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+24[/roll] damage  (1d8+7)[ 9 ] 
  wing1:  (1d20+24)[ 29 ]  damage  (1d8+7)[ 13 ] 
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+24[/roll] damage  (1d8+7)[ 10 ] 
  tail:  (1d20+24)[ 30 ]  damage  (2d6+19)[ 22 ] 
  potential crit confirm: roll]1d20+24[/roll] damage  (2d6+19)[ 28 ] 
   
conversations: demidracolich:
conversations: human
conversations:  You manage to kill the creature.
conversations: Illven: