i played there [millers in charlottesville] all the time dave matthews was the bartender i knew the rest of his [future] band way before that we played together in charlottesville since i moved there in  i would play with leroi moore and carter beauford dave moved to town in  when the dave matthews band started  i already had my own band tr i told him dave matthews "ive got a band and i kind of like the way it is you should start your band" i could see that he needed to do his own thing