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10 Random Questions with Billy Gilman
Posted on January 8, 2013 by Country Music News
Checkin' In with Billy Gilman with 10 Random Questions!
We all remember Billy Gilman from back in 2000 when his song "One Voice" was a top 20 hit on the Billboard Country Music Charts. The Rhode Island native can be found in the Guinness Book Of World Records for the youngest singer to reach No.1 on the top country album chart. His latest song "The Choice" features 18 other country artists including Alan Jackson, Reba McEntire and Leann Rimes. The song is about giving to those who are needy, and each song downloaded will buy 1 pair of shoes for children in need. Gilman has a big voice but an even bigger heart. We caught up with him for our 10 random questions, and this is what he had to say:
1. How have you changed or grown since we first heard you at 11 years old singing "One Voice?"
I think between the ages of 12 and the age I am now, which is 24, everyone makes those natural leaps in maturity .I got to see a lot of the world at a very young age, and dealt with more adults in a business sense, so i think I matured at a pretty young age. But also, I really have become more chill. I was always a hyper and very animated kid. Kind of embarrassing when I look back lol.
2. What is your favorite song that you've written?
I'm proud of them all but of course certain ones stand out. Like The Choice. I'm very proud of that song and the mission it supports.
3. What other artists do you currently listen to?
Just downloaded The Lumineer's new record. It's great.
4. Where is your favorite place to perform?
I think The Grand Ole Opry. There's something spiritual about it.
5. Any new projects in the works?
I have some songs that I am really proud of that will hopefully be heard in early 2013 keep your fingers crossed. At the end of the day I have to believe that the people and companies that release my new music are releasing it because they see the growth and they see the future. Not just a fast dollar. That's hard to find.
6. Where is your favorite place to eat?
I love mom and pop kind of places and home cooked food. I also like to cook so I stay home. In RI I love West Bakery and in Nashville I love Mafiosso's — I love pizza that's good.
7. If you could duet with any female artist who would it be?
There's a few I think would be cool to sing with. I have always liked Allison Krauss' voice.
8. If you could have a superpower what would you pick?
To find one good politician.
9. Do you consider yourself trendy? Do you follow clothing trends?
Some people say I am, but I don't feel I am nor try to be. I don't follow anything — I just put on what I like ..lol
10. Is there anything you would like your fans to know?
Well if you follow me on Twitter you will know in a short amount of time that I am very thankful for my fans and their support and also that I'm just a normal guy trying to follow his dream that's about it. Oh and that I do wear underwear and do use deodorant …that's it. Oh…and I love coffee..ok, that's really it.
You can follow Billy on twitter @bg524.
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5 thoughts on "10 Random Questions with Billy Gilman"
Ste Lla on May 23, 2013 at 5:17 pm said:
I love Billy Gilman and can't wait for his new music to play on the radio.
Rob Sunderland on May 23, 2013 at 5:42 pm said:
Good luck Billy! Allison Krauss over you Stella?
Donna Scott Greene on May 23, 2013 at 7:40 pm said:
Sooo excited….we all can't wait for Billy Gilman's new music!!!
Diane DePalma Gilman on May 23, 2013 at 11:40 pm said:
It would be great to hear your songs on the radio again! Love ya
Patricia DePalma on May 25, 2013 at 12:32 am said:
Good Luck Billy, It's great to hear your voice again!


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Dharawad district
District of Karnataka
Amriteswara Temple, Annigeri
Location in Karnataka, India
Coordinates: 15°23′N 75°07′E / 15.39°N 75.12°E / 15.39; 75.12Coordinates: 15°23′N 75°07′E / 15.39°N 75.12°E / 15.39; 75.12
Talukas
Dharwad, Hubli Urban, Hubli Rural, Navalgund, Kundgol, Kalghatgi, Alnavar, Annigeri
• Deputy Commissioner & District Magistrate
Nitesh patil, IAS
4,265 km2 (1,647 sq mi)
• Official
UTC+5:30 (IST)
Telephone code
+ 91 (0)836
KA-25, KA-63
dharwad.nic.in
Dharwad is an administrative district of the state of Karnataka in southern India and is the cultural headquarters of North Karnataka.
The administrative headquarters of the district is the town of Dharwad, also known as Dharwar. Dharwad is known for its Dharwad Peda – a milk based sweetmeat. The municipality (resulting from a merger with neighbouring Hubli in 1962) covers 213 km2. Dharwad is located 425 km northwest of Bangalore and 421 km southeast of Pune, on the main highway between Chennai and Pune, the National Highway # 4 (NH4). KREIS North Unit of National Projects Construction Corporation has its headquarters here. Karnataka High Court Bench Dharwad is also here.
Before 1997 the district had an area of 13738 km2. In 1997, the new districts of Gadag and Haveri were carved out of Dharwad's former territory, and a portion of Dharwad district was combined with lands formerly part of three other districts to create the new district of Davanagere.
2 Geographical features
3 Notable people
5 Important industrial centre
6 Transportation
6.2 Railway
10 Rich Folk Heritage
11 People, Language, Customs
12 Agriculture and commerce
13 Commercial centre
14 Administrative divisions
14.1 Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation
The word "Dharwad" means a place of rest on a long journey or a small habitation. For centuries, Dharwad acted as a gateway between the Malenadu region and the plains, and it became a resting place for travelers. The name is derived from the Sanskrit word 'dwarawata', 'dwara' meaning "door" and 'wata' or 'wada' meaning "town".
Another theory is that during the Vijayanagara rule of Dharwad there was a ruler by name "Dharav" (1403), and Dharwad got its name from him. There are some inscriptions that refer to Dharwad as Kampana Sthana.
Inscriptions found near Durga Devi temple in Narendra (a nearby village) and RLS High School date back to the 12th century and have references to Dharwad. This makes Dharwad at least 900 years old. Also, there is an inscription at Hanuman Temple at Bokyapur lake near Garag (a village about 18 km from Dharwad).
The Chalukyas ruled Dharwad during the 12th century. A stone inscription indicates that there was a ruler by the name of Bhaskaradeva in 1117. In the 14th century, the district was first overrun by the Bahmani Sultanate, after which it was annexed to the newly established Hindu kingdom of Vijayanagar, an official of which named Dhar Rao, according to local tradition, built the fort at Dharwad town in 1403. After the defeat of the King of Vijayanagar at Talikot (1565), Dharwad was for a few years practically independent under its Hindu governor; but in 1573 the fort was captured by the sultan of Bijapur, Adil Shah, and Dharwad was annexed to his dominions.[1] Adil Shah built a fort in an area later called Manna Kille, and later Nazratabad. With this fort, the strategic importance of Dharwad increased and it thus attracted the attention of subsequent conquerors, including Aurangzeb, Shivaji, Aurangzeb's son Mu Azam, Peshwa Balaji Baji Rao Peshwa, Hyder Ali, Tipu Sultan and finally the British colonizers.
In 1685, the fort was taken by the Mughal emperor Aurangzeb, and Dharwad, on the break-up of the Mughal empire, fell under the sway of the Maratha Peshwa of Pune. In 1764, the province was overrun by Hyder Ali of the Mysore, who in 1778 captured the fort of Dharwad. The fort was retaken in 1791 by the Marathas. After the final defeat of the Peshwa by the British in 1818, Dharwar was incorporated into the territory of the British East India Company's Bombay Presidency.[1] During the early 19th century, when the British were expanding their domains, they faced a lot of opposition from local rulers, including Baba Saheb of Naragund and Kittur Rani Chennamma.
A Jahagirdar (Baad) on the Indian subcontinent was an aristocrat (The aristocracy are, generally, people that a particular social order considers in the highest social class of that society), typically hereditary, who held enormous tracts of land and held control over his peasants, from whom the Jahagirdars reserved the right to collect tax (often for military purposes). Over time, they took princely and royal titles such as "Raja (King), Nawab (Lord), Mirza (Prince)," and many others. Although Jahagirdars were considered to be equivalent to lords and barons in some cases they were seen as independent, sovereign princes. Often Jahagirdars were Indian princes who had lost their sovereignty due to British Rule. Jagirdari was the predominant form of feudal landownership in Mogul India from the 16th to the 18th century. The owner (Jahagirdar) received a share of the state land tax from the Jagir. In return, he was obligated to maintain a hired cavalry detachment. The average Jagir was immense – approximately 500,000 hectares (50 to 150 villages). The Great Moguls, fearing the separatist tendencies of the Jahagirdars, often transferred them from one Jagir to another. In the 17th century, the Jagirdari system began evolving into a system of hereditary ownership, which ultimately came into existence in the 18th century.
Dharwad was home to the freedom fighter and "Karnataka Kulapurohit", Sri Alur Venkatrao. It was Sri Alur Venkatrao's work, 'Karnataka Gatha Vaibhava', that mooted the idea of unification of Kannada-speaking areas into a state.
Dharwad was peaceful for most of the late 19th century. During those times, the British started an English medium school in Dharwad in 1848. Later, in 1863, the Basel Mission organization started another school. In 1867 the British opened another school, Varmal school, which later on became known as a training college. In 1883, the municipality area included Sidapur, Lakamanhalli, Haveri Pete, Bagtalan, Madihal, Galaganjikop, Malapur, Kamalapur, Narayanpur, Saptapur, Atti Kolla, and Hosayellapur. The British government also established a railway station in 1888.
The town had a station on the Southern Maratha Railway. By 1901, the town had a population of 31,279 and was home to several cotton gina, a cotton mill, and two high schools, one maintained by the government and the other by the Basel Mission.
After India's independence in 1947, the Bombay Presidency was reconstituted as India's Bombay State. In 1956 the southern, Kannada-speaking districts of Bombay State, including Dharwad, were added to Mysore and renamed Karnataka in 1972. Dharwad is home to the Karnataka University and the University of Agricultural Sciences (UAS) as well as numerous other colleges.
In 1941, Dharwad had a population of 47,992.[2] In 1962, the town merged with the adjacent town of Hubli to become a single municipality, Hubli-Dharwad. The population of the twin cities is the second-largest in Karnataka, after Bangalore. Hubli-Dharwad's population increased by 22.99% between 1981 and 1991, from 527,108 to 648,298, and by 21.2% between 1991 and 2001. In the year 2008, a Circuit bench of the High Court of Karnataka was established in Dharwad. The circuit bench at Dharwad caters to the Mumbai – Karnataka region.
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Dharwad district is situated in the Western sector of the northern half of Karnataka State. The District encompasses an area of 4263 km2 lying between the latitudinal parallels of 15°02' and 15°51' North and longitudes of 73°43' and 75°35' East. The district is bounded on the north by the district of Belgaum, on the east by the district of Gadag, on the south by the district of Haveri and on the west by the district of Uttara Kannada. All these districts, which surround Dharwad district, belong to the state of Karnataka.
Sub Divisions of District (Taluka's)
Hubli urban
Hubli Rural
Kundgol
Navalgund
Kalghatgi
Alnavar
Annigeri
The District lies approximately 800 m above the sea level, which is why it enjoys a moderate and healthy climate. The District may be divided into 3 natural regions, the Malnad, the Semi-Malnad and the Maidan. These regions on an average receive moderate to heavy rainfall and have dense vegetation. Kalghatagi and Alnavar area in Dharwad taluka in particular receive more rainfall than other talukas of the District.
On the agricultural front, the presence of black soil helps in raising crops like Cotton, Wheat, Ragi, Jowar and Oil seeds and that of red soil is more suitable for paddy.
Main article: List of people from Hubli Dharwad
G. S. Amur
K. S. Amur
D. R. Bendre
Kumar Gandharva
Sawai Gandharva
Gangubai Hangal
Shanta Hublikar
Suresh Heblikar
R. C. Hiremath
Bhimsen Joshi
Girish Karnad
G. A. Kulkarni
Sarojini Mahishi, former Minister in Indira Gandhi cabinet
Mallikarjun Mansur
Sudha Murthy
Venkanna H. Naik
D. C. Pavate
Basavaraj Rajguru
Karnataka University
Dharwad has always been a centre of learning, with many schools, colleges and universities.[citation needed]
List of Universities in Dharwad District
Karnataka University, Dharwad.
University of Agricultural Sciences, Dharwad.
Indian Institute of Technology, Dharwad.
Karnataka State Law University, Hubli.
K. L. E. Technological University, Hubli.
The city of Dharwad is deemed to be the seat of Saraswati because of the educational institutions, educationists, education-loving people[citation needed] and the atmosphere. It is the Cradle of Education in South India and Mainly Karnataka.[citation needed] Students from all surrounding districts come to Dharwad for education. From 8:00 to 10:00 in the morning and 12:00 to 5:00 in the afternoon, the roads of Dharwad, the buses and the autorickshaws brim with students. It appears as though the whole of Dharwad is one big school.
Dharwad has Kannada, English and Urdu medium schools.
Important industrial centre
Hubballi (The Sister City of Dharwad) is an important industrial center, with more than 1,000 small and medium scale industries established. They include machine tool industries,Cotton Industries, electrical industries, steel furniture industries, food processing, rubber, leather and leather tanning industries.
Prominent establishments:
Tata Motors Ltd.
Tata Marcopolo Motors Ltd.
Telco Construction Equipment Company Limited (Telcon).
Kirloskar Electrical Co. Ltd.
Microfinish Group of Companies.
Bhoruka Textile Mill.
New Government Electric Factory Limited (NGEF).
Karnataka Milk Federation (KMF).
Universal group of companies.
BDK Group of Industries.
Murudeshwar Ceramics Ltd.
Kamat Group of Hotels.
JBM Industries.
DRT Holidays India.
Vijayanand Roadlines Ltd. (VRL)
IT Park – situated in the heart of the city of Hubballi, it is promoted by the Government of Karnataka IT Department and KEONICS acts as the nodal agency for maintaining and marketing it.
NWKRTC (North West Karnataka Road Transport Corporation) is a state run corporation headquartered at Hubbali. There is excellent inter-city transportation between Hubli, Dharwad, Kalghatgi, Navalgund and Kundgol as NWKRTC and Bendre Nagara Sarige (a consortium of private bus-owners) compete to cater to the large number of commuters between these places daily. Bus services from the twin-cities exist to every part of Karnataka and neighbouring states and other destinations. There are many private bus operators who render travel services between Hubli and Bangalore, Mangalore, Pune, Mumbai, Goa and Hyderabad.
Hubli is the Headquarter of South Western Railways Zone of Indian Railways. Several express and passenger trains ply between Hubli and Bangalore everyday. Hubli being an important railway junction has daily trains to Bangalore, Mumbai, Pune, Miraj, Delhi, Hyderabad, Ahmedabad, Vijayawada, Mysore and weekly services to Chennai, Howrah and Thiruvananthapuram.
The closest Airport to Dharwad is at Hubli its Sister City. Hubli Airport (IATA: HBX, ICAO: VOHB) is one of the major operational airports serving northern Karnataka. Currently SpiceJet Airlines have started its operation from Hubli To Bangalore, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Jabalpur, Mangalore, Chennai And Indigo Airlines have started its operation from Hubli to Ahmedabad, Chennai, Bangalore, Cochin, Goa, Alliance Air operates one flight everyday to the state capital Bangalore, Air India has started its operation from Hubli to Mumbai and Bangalore on Tuesday, Wednesday and Saturday. and Star Air (India) will start its operation Hubli To Bangalore, Delhi (Hindon), Pune, and Tirupati on 15 September The airport is currently being upgraded to an international airport.
According to the 2011 census Dharwad district has a population of 1,847,023,[3] roughly equal to the nation of Kosovo[4] or the US state of West Virginia.[5] This gives it a ranking of 256th in India (out of a total of 640).[3] The district has a population density of 434 inhabitants per square kilometre (1,120/sq mi) .[3] Its population growth rate over the decade 2001–2011 was 15.13%.[3]	Dharwad	has a sex ratio of 967	females for every 1000 males,[3] and a literacy rate of 80.3%.[3]
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421,619 —
388,289 −0.82%
397,902 +0.24%
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The Dharwad region has contributed to some of the greatest exponents of Hindustani music including Sawai Gandharva, Mallikarjun Mansur, Bhimsen Joshi, Basavaraj Rajaguru, Kumar Gandharva and Gangubai Hangal.
Dharwad is an unlikely outpost of the Kirana gharana. Ustad Abdul Karim Khan was a frequent visitor to Mysore Darbar, where he had been conferred the title of Sangeet Ratna. On the way to Mysore, he used to stay with his brother in Dharwad, where he taught his most famous disciple, Sawai Gandharva. Sawai Gandharva in turn was the guru to Gangubai Hangal, Bhimsen Joshi and Basavaraj Rajaguru.
Jnanpith Award winners D. R. Bendre, V. K. Gokak and Girish Karnad trace their origins to Dharwad. Kannada writer and critic, Kirtinath Kurtakoti winner of Sahitya Akademi, also lived in Dharwad for a good part of his life. One of the greatest Marathi writers, Sahitya Akademi Award winner G. A. Kulkarni also lived most of his life here in Dharwad. Leena Chandavarkar, the Hindi actress and wife of late Kishore Kumar, belongs to this town
Dattatreya Temple
Nandan Nilekani, the Co-Chairman of Infosys moved in with his uncle's family in Dharwad for his education and was a student of St Joseph's High School. He has sponsored the construction of Srijana, a state-of-the-art auditorium in the Karnatak College premises.
Sucheta Dalal, the Mumbai-based financial journalist, who exposed the Harshad Mehta scandal studied in Dharwad. Lucy d'Abreu (oldest Briton ever) was also born in Dharwad.
Dharwad is also the birthplace of Palwankar Baloo, the first member of the Dalit (or "Untouchable") caste to distinguish himself at cricket, and later to become a political activist for Dalit rights. Sunil Joshi, the Indian cricket bowler, also hails from Dharwar
Places of interest in Dharwad district comprise many tourist attractions including temples and historical monuments.[7]
Aminbhavi, about 6 km from Dharwad, is the location of 24 Tirthankara Basadi, Hire Matha and a cave temple. Hire Matha has paintings on a wooden plank. The plank is brought in from Kittur.
Chandramouleshwara temple at Unkal Hubbali-Dharwad
Amruteshwara Temple at Annigeri
Chandramouleshwara Temple at Unkal is of the Western Chalukya period Chandramouleshwara Shiva temple and Unkal lake.
Unkal Lake is used as a perfect picnic and has a garden, recreational facilities for children, and boating. The lake is 3 km away from Hubli.
Unkal Lake
Bhavanishankar Temple This Chalukyan temple with the image of Sri Narayana is flanked by the ten incarnations of God.
Asar It was built by Mohammed Ali Shah in about 1646 to serve as a hall of justice. The building was also used to house two hairs from the Prophet's beard. Women are not allowed inside.
Nrupatunga Hill is a hillock located on the North-Eastern fringe of Hubbali. The top of the hillock has views of Hubli city. The span of the view extends from Amargol in the North to the Airport in the West all the way to the Southern parts of Hubli.
Sidharudha Math Old-Hubli
Siddharoodha Math is a religious institution, a centre of Advaita philosophy as preached by Swami Siddharoodha, is located on the outskirts of Hubli.
Glass House As the name suggests, this is a palace of glass, inaugurated by the former Indian Prime Minister, Smt. Indira Gandhi.
Banashankari Temple Amargol is known for the Shankarlinga and Banashankari Temple. It is in between Hubli and Dharwad, and near to Navanagar.
Annigeri has many historical temples including Kalyani Chalukya period Amriteshwara temple. It is about 30 km from Hubli, between Hubli and Gadag.
Shambhulinga temple at Kundgol, North Karnataka
Sri Jagadguru Ajaatha Nagalinga Swamy Mutta-Navalagunda
Kundgol is about 15 km from Hubli-Dharwad. It is home to the Shambhulinga temple. It is known for its place in the history of Hindustani Music in Karnataka.[citation needed] Birthplace of Sawai Gandharva. Bharat Ratna Pandit Bhimsen Joshi and Gangubai Hangal learnt Hindustani music here and Sawai Gandharva was their Guru.
Kalghatgi:
Tamboor about 8 km from Kalghatgi. It home to the Basavanna temple and Devikoppa Forest.
Shri Basaveshwar Temple is located in Bhogenagarakoppa at a distance of approximately 14 km from Kalghatagi.
Mahalakshmi temple
Shantinatha Basadi Jain temple
Rich Folk Heritage
Dollu Kunitha
It is a popular drum dance. The large drums are decorated with coloured cloth, and are slung around the necks of men. The dances are at times accompanied with songs relating to religious praise or wars.
Veeragase
Veeragase is popular folk dance. It is a symbolic presentation of the heroism and valour of God Veerabahadhra. Its exponents are called Lingadevaru and they perform the dance with religious fervour at festival time especially during the months of Shravana and Kartika.
Nandikolu kunitha
This art form is the domain of male devotees of Lord Siva. The Nandi pole is about 18 cubits in length, each cubit representing a 'dharma'. The length of the pole is fitted with brass pots and plates, and ornate silver or brass umbrella at the top with a silk tassel, which is the flag. The performer on a sling balances the pole; this requires skill as well as strength. The sight of the devotee's inspired dance, to the background beat and the resulting symphony of sounds, from the pots and plates on the pole, is truly breathtaking.
Jodu halige
Halige meaning two percussion instruments used by two artists to produce rhythmic notes of astounding energy and power. Their movements along the stage expressive of their physical energy harmonizes with the notes produced by the instrument. The Haligi (wood) circular in shape is made of buffalo hide. A short stick is used on it. The notes combined with the bodily movement pervade the stage and overflow to the audience.
Lambani nruthya
Lambani women dressed colourfully and move circularly with clapping and singing. This dance is out of the common. In dress, mode of living and dwelling, they dance on important festivities in a free manner.
Veerabhadra kunitha
The dance form depicts the story of Veerabhadra, the legendary minor god created by Lord Siva to teach a lesson to his father-in-law Daksha. Veerabhadra to go to the place of the yaga and destroy the ceremony.
The folk art forms of Karnataka need to be revived at the earliest, failing which they will disappear without a trace. Nowadays there is no attempt to perform or encourage in North Karnataka, especially with regard to Doddata, Sannata and Gombeyata.
People, Language, Customs
Kannada is most spoken language in this district. The Kannada spoken here is known as Dharwad Kannada. This slightly varies from Kannada spoken in southern Karnataka. Men in rural areas wear headgear called a turban or Pheta. Also many wear white cap on their head.
Jowar, maize, wheat, cotton, onions and rice are grown. The district also grows mangoes, papaya, and bananas as horticultural produce. There are many subsidiary agricultural industries such as the production of puffed rice, beaten rice, and edible oils.
Hubli is the main trading centre for agriculture produce. Farmers not only from Karnataka, but from elsewhere sell their produce here. Hubli has a large APMC market at Amargol located between Hubli and Dharwad. Hubli APMC is an important market for red chillies, onions, rice, cotton and jowar. Hubli-Dharwad city has many medium and small sized industries producing engineering items, electrical goods and agricultural implements. There are several cotton spinning and ginning mills.
Dharwad District is divided into eight talukas: Dharwad, Hubballi Urban, Hubballi Rural, Kalghatgi, Kundgol, Alnavar, Navalgund and Annigeri. There are fifty panchayat villages under the talukas, each of which manages several villages.[8]
Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation
Hubli-Dharwad Municipal Corporation (HDMC) was constituted in the year 1962 by combining two cities separated by a distance of 20 kilometers. This is a unique experiment in urban development history. The area of this Corporation is 213 km². spread over 45 revenue villages. The population of the city as per the 1991 Census was 7 Lacs. The population of Hubli-Dharwad is 943,857 according to 2011 Census.
Hubli: Under the Government of India Act of 1850, the Hubli-Municipal council was established on 15 August 1855.
Dharwad: The Dharwad Municipal Council first came into existence on 1 January 1856. The first non-official President of the Council was S.K. Rodda in 1907, and Shri S.V. Mensinkai, was nominated in the following year. But the credit of being the first elected President goes to Shri S.G. Karigudari, who took office in 1920.
Hubli is well known as a commercial as well as industrial centre, whereas Dharwad is seat of learning. Popularly believed that, it is this diversity and geographical positions that the state government amalgamated the two cities. The twin-city Corporation occupies unique place in Karnataka State. After the capital city of Bangalore, this is the largest city Corporation in the State. Off late, HDMC has seen numerous positive changes. The administration has become more transparent and public-friendly. The processes have been streamlined and developmental projects have been taken up on all fronts. With all the standards and policies set, HDMC has been awarded with ISO certification.
Western Chalukya temples
Western Chalukya architecture
Western Chalukya Empire
North Karnataka
Tourism in North Karnataka
Tamboor
Banashankari Temple Amargol
Chandramouleshwara Temple
Kittur
Shalavadi
^ a b One or more of the preceding sentences incorporates text from a publication now in the public domain: Chisholm, Hugh, ed. (1911). "Dharwar". Encyclopædia Britannica. 8 (11th ed.). Cambridge University Press. p. 143.
^ Columbia-Lippincott Gazetteer. p. 511
^ a b c d e f "District Census 2011". Census2011.co.in. 2011. Retrieved 30 September 2011.
^ US Directorate of Intelligence. "Country Comparison:Population". Retrieved 1 October 2011. Kosovo 1,825,632 July 2011 est.
^ "2010 Resident Population Data". U.S. Census Bureau. Archived from the original on 19 October 2013. Retrieved 30 September 2011. West Virginia 1,852,994
^ Decadal Variation In Population Since 1901
^ "Chapter XIV, Karnataka, The Tourist Paradise". Archived from the original on 4 March 2009. Retrieved 30 March 2009.
^ "Reports of National Panchayat Directory:". Ministry of Panchayati Raj, Government of India. Archived from the original on 7 November 2011. Retrieved 12 February 2013.
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Report: DOJ Lawyer Said There Were No Grounds for Suing Sanctuary Cities, but Sessions Didn't Care
Ronn BlitzerOct 19th, 2018, 9:42 am
Attorney General Jeff Sessions has earned a reputation as a hardliner on immigration, given his aggressive approach on the issue of illegal immigration and the cities who actively protect their undocumented residents. According to a new report by the New York Times, Sessions has been so intent on carrying out his policies that he's ignored the legal advice of his own staff.
Department of Justice employees recalled what transpired in the months before one of their colleagues resigned. Sessions, who has long spoken against sanctuary cities, was looking to sue these jurisdictions for failing to cooperate with the feds. Stephen Buckingham, a long-time veteran of the DOJ who worked there under three administrations, researched the relevant issues and wrote to Sessions that he couldn't find any grounds to support such a lawsuit.
Three DOJ staff members who worked with Buckingham told the Times that Sessions didn't want to take no for an answer, and told Buckingham to find a way to come to a different conclusion. Instead of doing that, Buckingham quit, and the Sessions DOJ sued California over their sanctuary laws. Sessions has accused sanctuary cities and states of impeding federal authorities by not turning over undocumented immigrants.
A judge disagreed, largely ruling against Sessions, saying, "Standing aside does not equate to standing in the way."
According to the Times report, the dispute over whether or not to file the lawsuit is just one example of tension among the ranks of the Justice Department under Sessions' leadership. Another cited example is when the DOJ reversed course on the Affordable Care Act, agreeing with states who sued them with the claim that elements of the ACA were unconstitutional. Three government attorneys withdrew from the case when the the DOJ filed their new position, although the Department told Law&Crime at the time that it's normal for them to switch attorneys when they change positions on an issue.
Sessions has seen resistance from above as well as below, as he's been the target of frequent denigration from President Donald Trump, mainly over Sessions' decision to recuse himself from the Russian investigation. This may cease to be an issue, as the Times notes that Sessions is expected to leave the Justice Department after the midterm elections in November.
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Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crashes In Ukraine Part 9
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RE: Malaysia Airlines MH17 Crashes In Ukraine Part 9
Plenty of videos being published. These two illustrate some of the difficulties being faced by the Dutch/Australian force - as I suspected, they are actually having to search overgrown areas on foot, strung out in long lines:-
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-flight-MH17-plane-crash-site.html
http://www.smh.com.au/world/mh17-tea...-shadow-of-war-20140803-zzw5r.html
flyingturtle
Do I remember correctly that a preliminary report will be out on August 1st? Or is it still pending?
Reading accident reports is what calms me down
YoungMans
In the meantime it appears that the Russian BBC Service produced a video report on the 23rd of July, however, the BBC may have censored its own production; or maybe only for its Western audience. One wonders why ...
Here are quotes from the video:
Highlights of Witness statements (see complete transcript below):
•	Eyewitness #1: There were two explosions in the air. And this is how it broke apart. And [the fragments] blew apart like this, to the sides. And when …
•	Eyewitness #2: … And there was another aircraft, a military one, beside it. Everybody saw it.
•	Eyewitness #1: Yes, yes. It was flying under it, because it could be seen. It was proceeding underneath, below the civilian one.
•	Eyewitness #3: There were sounds of an explosion. But they were in the sky. They came from the sky. Then this plane made a sharp turn-around like this. It changed its trajectory and headed in that direction [indicating the direction with her hands].
The video with English subtitles can be found here:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/so...ca/sociopol_globalization_eu18.htm
The same video in Russian only is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUvK5m2vxro
A full (English) transcript is also on the bibliotecapleyades.net website.
There may yet be a lot more to the story ....
Quoting YoungMans (Reply 3):
One wonders why ...
Perhaps because the witnesses (and maybe also the reporter) were deemed unreliable?
By all accounts, it was overcast in the area at the moment MH17 was shot down. Because of the clouds, the rebels could not even see what they were shooting at.
And these witnesses saw not only MH17, but also a much smaller fighter jet?
The footage of the crash clearly shows the overcast sky:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RyxIiW9m2mM
[Edited 2014-08-03 07:16:02]
Quoting Scipio (Reply 4):
I saw the same sort of stuff, Scipio. Does make one wonder whether, at the least, MH17 was hit by more than one missile? Possibly including some air-launched ones?
Otherwise I personally (as someone who spent some time working with anti-aircraft artillery) can't readily work out how MH17 could have come down in so MANY pieces, spread over so MANY square miles?
Quoting NAV30 (Reply 5):
One hit really suffices to do this sort of damage. Aircraft skin cannot withstand aerodynamic forces at all - it's just made for keeping the air inside of the plane. If you create a hole in an airplane, the airstream will widen the hole and rip away whole sections.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Al...a_Airlines_Flight_243_fuselage.png is an example that shows how one little crack/air blowout can rip away large swaths of the fuselage.
And AFAIK, every airliner is made to withstand 1.5 times the maximal physical forces that are expected in the full lifetime of said airliner. This means, also the wing spars and other load-bearing parts of the plane are not made to survive a missile which peppers the fuselage with fragments, and the ensuing, vastly different aerodynamic forces acting on the airplane.
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 6):
an example that shows how one little crack/air blowout can rip away large swaths of the fuselage.
Agree, flyingturtle, that's what I would expect.
But the only evidence we have is a photograph of the 'exit wound' of a missile, which appears to have hit the starboard side of the cockpit and exited on the port side. Only shrapnel damage, and probably a 'warhead exit,' visible on the photograph?
Yet we are supposed to believe that the same 'hit' somehow ALSO broke the whole fuselage into half-a-dozen pieces, tore off wings, etc..?
Can't help feeling that there could very possibly be 'more to it' than that?
I suppose that I might as well add that, if the cockpit 'shot' was caused by a (large) ground-launched missile, it would have done a helluva lot more damage that appears in the photograph? Those things were just coming into service when I got out of the army, but from all accounts at the time, they'd have done a LOT more damage than that . Like blowing the whole darned nose off?
Just 'speculating' that something just doesn't add up?
I guess the dynamics of a 60m span 250 ton commercial airliner are somewhat different to your typical anti-aircraft artillery targets.
So the answer to your query is quite simple: inflight break up.
Not into thousands of pieces, but into several relatively large pieces. Each large piece will have it's own aerodynamic characteristics and trajectory. This is supported by eyewitness statements like: "bodies falling out of the air", "bodies rained down from clouds"). I.e. the fuselage opened up in flight and at high altitude. Possibly at several fuselage locations.
On their way down, each large piece will probably loose smaller parts, leaving a trail of debris for each relatively large piece until it hits the ground.
The missile might be directly that controlled flight can no longer be maintained. responsible for a first large piece breaking off. You know, these things are kind of designed to break-up much smaller, and much more stronger planes . . . It might also be an indirect consequence, by damaging so many systems and aerodynamic airframe shape that the airframe leaves controlled flight.
Once one piece fell off, the aircraft becomes uncontrollable. leaving controlled flight, and at 900+ km/u, it will break apart and fall down in large pieces.
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petertenthije
First results, unofficial, from the CVR: pilots never mentioned anything odd.
Excerpt from http://www.nst.com.my/node/19598
A source close to the international investigation told the New Sunday Times that the CVR downloaded by the United Kingdom's Air Accidents Investigation Branch had picked up the communications between the Malaysia Airlines' pilot and an unspecified personnel with an air traffic controller (ATC).
"So far, from what the team has heard, there was nothing unusual. The last voice heard was not the pilot's. No, there was no indication that the pilots saw or sensed anything off," the source said without elaborating further to protect the investigations.
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pvjin
Those things are designed to take down an airplane, it would be waste of money to make them cause any more damage than what's necessary to bring down your average fighter jet.
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awthompson
In that video I don't see an overcast sky. Early in the clip the camera points upward momentarily where I can see a significant amount of blue sky through some broken medium and perhaps high cloud layers. I cannot see how the sky was directly overhead but it is possible that there were some areas of blue sky.
However, we know that people don't normally notice high altitude overflights and to the untrained eye they just look like dots with white trails. In warmer conditions, trails don't even form making it even harder to see airliners in the cruise. I would say that even if the sky had clear patches, it would be unlikely anyone saw 9M-MRD, and neither would they have seen another aircraft underneath it and also have identified it as a military aircraft. This might be doable at 2 to 5 thousand feet but not in the thirties without binoculars to assist with identification. Even that is not easy unless you are a trained/experienced plane spotter. In summary, these amateurs in the video either imagined they saw something, they saw other aircraft at lower level which were not related to MH17, or they were told to say what they said to confuse the truth.
777Jet
Interesting point? Was it hit by something else too or something with more explosive power?
MH17 was traveling at cruise speed at FL330... How small of an area do you expect the debris to cover if it was just hit by one BUK / SAM? Pan Am 103 exploded at FL310 and some of the lighter debris traveled nearly 80 miles before reaching the ground. My supervisor was one of the investigators at that incident. I expect some MH17 debris to be found farther away...
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Quoting 777Jet (Reply 12):
Pan Am 103 exploded at FL310 and some of the lighter debris traveled nearly 80 miles before reaching the ground
I was just about to mention Pam Am 103. The explosion (believed to be about 400g of plastic explosive) which took out the aircraft was only large enough to puncture the fuselage and cause some moderate structural damage. But when you have a highly stressed structure flying at highspeed, it doesn't take much to cause an in-flight breakup. Compare that to a BUK SA-11 warhead at 70,000g exploding in close proximity.
I have no doubt there was a single missile strike, my concern is we'll never get to the bottom of who's truly responsible.
tailskid
Quoting lazybones (Reply 13):
my concern is we'll never get to the bottom of who's truly responsible.
As long as the Russian coverup continues, Putin is the one responsible.
alfa164
I don't think there is any question who is responsible; the "separatists" even bragged about taking down an airplane on July 17th - until they discovered it was a civilian craft. There is no one to blame but Putin, his mercenaries and thugs.
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undertheradar
Quoting PW100 (Reply 8):
I agree with this... as the missile explodes just before contact with its target (MH17), the many kgs of varying sized shrapnel is 'peppered' into the target (seems to be the cockpit area)...once the fuselage gets 'compromised', this begins the sequence of events (explosive decompression and eventual mid air break up)...all of this is occurring to the forward moving 777 at 33,000 feet and travelling at 900km/h..I believe there may be some 'debris' even more widespread than the 'focus' areas, and may never be recovered.
It just makes sense (to me) that it would take 'longer' to 'destroy' a 777, as opposed to a military aircraft, which these missiles are used for to 'strike down'.... and on that note...IF the reports are correct of a (Ukrainian) fighter jet 'close by' MH17 at the time, MAYBE the missile was 'meant' to hit the fighter jet... BUT,as mentioned, people/villagers being able to 'witness' all this 33,000 feet in the sky above, makes me question the 'fighter jet scenario'.
All in all....there is much more to be 'revealed' ...if at all !!!
It's certainly doing my head in !!!
Quoting pvjin (Reply 10):
They are designed to take down aircraft flyng at over 60,000 ft. and at supersonic speeds, a la B1B. So I have no doubt they can take down a 777.
Pan Am 103 exploded at FL310 and some of the lighter debris traveled nearly 80 miles before reaching the ground. My supervisor was one of the investigators at that incident. I expect some MH17 debris to be found farther away...
But when you have a highly stressed structure flying at highspeed, it doesn't take much to cause an in-flight breakup.
Pan Am 103 was unlucky in the sense of where the container with the suitcase was located. It was next to the skin of the aircraft. Some experts have said that if the location had been more to the center, maybe the damage could have been more tolerated by the pressure vessel rather than the immediate destruction that ensued.
I have a problem with the Ukranians and others calling this a terrorist act and the responsible parties "terrorists". If this catches on and someone officially important accepts this term, life insurance policies for many passengers are not going to be paid. I´d much rather call it an accident or a crime.
Quoting alfa164 (Reply 15):
the "separatists" even bragged about taking down an airplane on July 17th - until they discovered it was a civilian craft. There is no one to blame but Putin
Yes, this much we know. But even still is not enough bring Putin to some kind of international court.I think its just going to go around in circles with no-one being held responsible.
Quoting awthompson (Reply 11):
I do agree with your observations on the patchy blue sky; and I also believe that ordinary civilians are quite capable to watch and identify what kind of aircraft, civilian or military, is flying above them, even at that height.
We must not forget, those people are in a war zone. Anytime there is a plane, it could be their house or village that is on the list next to be bombed. So they would be very edgy and observant.
What is interesting too, though, is that the BBC journalist could not find signs or evidence in the area from where the Buk is supposed to have fired its missile. Even six days later there should still have been track marks and possibly even scorched ground.
PlanesNTrains
Quoting YoungMans (Reply 19):
I also believe that ordinary civilians are quite capable to watch and identify what kind of aircraft, civilian or military, is flying above them, even at that height.
These are some mighty impressive civilians. I watch planes fly over all the time, and the ones that are up at the 33,000ft mark are pretty much impossible to identify by the naked eye. Even with my binoculars it can be a challenge to figure out what type of plane it is. I'm simply amazed and impressed that these non-aviation civilians are so capable of planespotting from 7 miles away. Kudos to them!
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hiflyer
Just thinking aloud...if I was responsible for a shoot down and needed to hide the evidence I would put the unit on a tractor trailer to get it the heck out of there as fast as possible and then wipe all traces of it from the ground and surrounding area as well as any personnel involved to give immediate deniability. Once that is confirmed done then let the counterintel folks start planting false videos and stories in the media and the net to further confuse the issue as long as possible til the public interest starts to lessen due to 'he said she said'. Problem with that is what is on the ground still...and what is being found ...they now cannot control. Those are not just regular folks walking in the fields ...or unskilled tv news folks looking to make a name for themselves.
YoungMans :
I live in the NYC area, more specifically in western Long Island with JFK being only a 10 minute drive and LGA 15 mins. Last week I had a rather fascinating view of the air traffic flying over my house. Living directly under the flight path of JFK's runway 22R, Low flying aircrafts are typical. While sitting outside with my kids, we watched a DL 757 fly overhead into JFK, flying at less than 2,000ft by this time. As the 757 flew by I took notice high above it another aircraft heading SE. I was able to identify it as a B6 A320, most likely turning to head over JFK before making a Canarsie approach. He had to be at least 10,000ft or higher. as this occurred, an even higher aircraft was flying above it all leaving a nice thick contrail behind it. The weather on this day was superb, with very bright blue skies, cloudless and low humidity. (all in contrast to the typical July weather that NYC would usually see, with Heat, humidity, and haze). By this time it was late afternoon with the sun now being blocked by my 2 story house. The sun however was illuminating every aircraft that flew by. To my amazement, I took almost a min and a half before I was able to identify it as a twin widebody! Notice I didn't say what type of twin it was!! Forget the airline, as that was an even harder task. 2 mins later, another contrail appeared over head, and this time, in under a minute, I was able to ID it as a 747, MAYBE BA, maybe. So, here we have what I like to call myself a veteran aviation enthusiast who regularly ID's airliners at distance, (airline included), I can ID many by sound, and yet I can't tell what that was flying overhead at 30,000 ft +. While I don't live in a war zone, I am confident enough to say that an aircraft flying over me is of much greater interest than those who live in eastern Ukraine. yet I can't tell you if the first aircraft was a 777, 767, or an A330. So I don't really buy the idea that eye witnesses in the area before MH017 was shot down were able to make an ID of another aircraft flying closely to it. with a mostly overcast sky at the time, even a break in the clouds would yield very little to the untrained eye.
It is also very likely that somewhere down the road, someone will discover more debris and sadly perhaps more victims that will be found away from the crash area. It would be plausible if one considers that the aircraft broke apart in flight, and as we learned with PanAm 103 and TWA 800, parts were found away from the wreckage field that likely fell away at the point of impact or catastrophic failure. And much like the other two crashes, As soon as the structure is compromised, and aerodynamics disrupted, the aircraft begins to disintegrate by the extreme forces that are now being placed onto the now non aerodynamic structure. Now in an uncontrolled free fall, parts begin to break off scattering debris on a much larger area in the sky and on the ground. The larger more intact parts will with the assistance of inertia, fall to the ground at a higher velocity while other lighter objects continue to fly longer, such as the debris captured falling from the sky after the impact of the centre section. So It isn't really a surprise to anyone to have debris scattered in large areas, nor does it necessarily tell you in detail of what occurred prior to the crash. I don't even question the idea that a single missile shot MH017 down. The damages on the photos clearly show the punctures caused by shrapnel from the only thing it could be at that altitude. I think by now we should all accept that it was shot down in a case of mistaken Identity. I don't think it falls in the term of a "terrorist" act. That word is used very loosely these days after 9/11, and not everything can be categorized by that one word. I strongly feel that It was shot down by the separatist, but not with intent to shoot down a civilian aircraft. It was nonetheless, still a war/ conflict zone. It should be classified as a very tragic accident that could have been avoided if not for the extreme oversight by many who I say "got caught with their hands in the cookie jar!" Sorry for the long post!
Quoting AR385 (Reply 17):
If "terrorist" or "freedom fighter" depends on who wins. The victor writes the history.
I also wouldn't call it an "accident" or a "crime". It was a military act, done by combatants in a known civil war zone. Have a look into your life insurance contract if your insurance would pay in that case.
Flying over a (civil) war zone is never a good idea. I just flew over Iran on board TG 920 a few days ago. The good news was, that they avoided the ukrainian airspace.
Kaiarahi
Even six days later there should still have been track marks and possibly even scorched ground.
You'll find them about 3 threads back.
Empty vessels make the most noise.
Quoting mark787 (Reply 22):
So, here we have what I like to call myself a veteran aviation enthusiast who regularly ID's airliners at distance, (airline included), I can ID many by sound, and yet I can't tell what that was flying overhead at 30,000 ft +. While I don't live in a war zone, I am confident enough to say that an aircraft flying over me is of much greater interest than those who live in eastern Ukraine. yet I can't tell you if the first aircraft was a 777, 767, or an A330. So I don't really buy the idea that eye witnesses in the area before MH017 was shot down were able to make an ID of another aircraft flying closely to it. with a mostly overcast sky at the time, even a break in the clouds would yield very little to the untrained eye.
Very well put and i absolutely agree with you.
PanHAM
Quoting Heinkel (Reply 23):
It was a military act, done by combatants in a known civil war zone. Have a look into your life insurance contract if your insurance would pay in that case.
I am missing the "collateral damage" here. MH17 was not a combattant and if that what is going on in Eastern Ukraine is a "civil war" or a case of insurgents supported by a foreign power has yet to be determined.
I suggest you wait for the final report hw this will be classified, my guess is, it will not be called an "accident", rather "hostile acction" as was 9/11.
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Quoting PanHAM (Reply 26):
it will not be called an "accident"
"Accident" is defined in Annex 13 to the International Convention on Civil Aviation as:
"An occurrence associated with the operation of an aircraft ... in which:
a) a person is fatally or seriously injured ... or
b) the aircraft sustains damage or structural failure ...".
Buyantukhaa
Quoting Kaiarahi (Reply 24):
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/201...t-location-pinpointed-of-mh17.html
I scratch my head, therefore I am.
pylon101
I guess it will take quite a while to get preliminary report, judging from this Dutch letter to the U.N. Security Council.
http://news.yahoo.com/dutch-inform-u...lines-investigation-210200634.html
I am on EK 231/232. The rest is just jet lag.
I don't see anything in there about the timing of the preliminary report.
Somehow I mixed up things... huh... I don't know...
The [email protected] blogspot argues that MH17 was shot down by a Russian-crewed Buk controlled from across the border, and that the ones in the control center must have known they were shooting at a civilian airliner:
http://ukraineatwar.blogspot.com/201...-shot-down-mh17-and-not-local.html
D L X
A plane flying at 33,000 feet, absent contrails, is nearly imperceptible from the ground unless you already know it is there. And then there's the problem with the sound. Sound is what usually causes humans to look in a different direction to observe something. The problem with sound from far away is that the event to be observed has begun to progress. (That's the TWA800 problem too.) The witnesses say they heard explosions, and that the plane veered after the explosions. That's problematic for two reasons. 33,000 feet is about 6 miles away. It takes THIRTY seconds for sound to travel 6 miles. So if the witnesses heard the explosions, they heard it thirty seconds after the plane was hit and began to break up.
Second, 6 miles is a very long distance for sound to travel at sea level, let alone at altitude. Think about thunder and lightning, and how you can count seconds between the flash and the sound to determine how far away it occurred. Lightning obviously produces an extremely loud sound -- yet, have you ever saw lightning yet didn't hear the thunder until 30 seconds later? You almost certainly haven't, and the reason is because the sound would almost completely attenuate in the 6 miles it had to cross to reach you.
I can't find these witnesses credible at all. The science doesn't hold up.
The search for human remains and personnal belongings will be stopped according to the Rutte, the Dutch prime minister. The area has become too dangerous. The mission will resume once it is safe.
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/m...077/__Missie_Oekraine_stopt__.html
Thunderboltdrgn
Quoting D L X (Reply 33):
I could be wrong but I got the impression that it was a cloudy day and that no-one could have
seen all the way up to 33,000 feet due to the clouds?
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802flyguy
Netherlands PM halts search for remains, too dangerous...
(I would say what I think of Putin's thugs, airliners.net standards prevent from doing so)
Wed 06 Aug 2014 19:10
Mission aborted Ukraine
THE HAGUE -
The search for human remains and belongings of the victims of the disaster flight MH17 is provisionally suspended. Prime Minister Mark Rutte has announced that Wednesday. The reason is the deteriorating security situation in the area, which is still being fought by the Ukrainian army and separatists.
According Rutte is not useful and too risky for the experts from the repatriation team now to continue the mission. Rutte said he,, not want to expose. 'Our people to unnecessary risks
As soon as it is possible, the experts go back. ,, The ambition is to return to the crash site, '' says Rutte. ,, We now stop, but we do not stop. 'The relatives of the victims are informed of the decision, said Rutte.
A small team will remain in the region behind. The locals love so the possibility remains and personal items that are found to transfer. Thursday starts from Kharkov aircraft with personal belongings of victims from Kharkov to the Netherlands.
According Rutte has the repatriation team,, good days 'had alternated with,, very bad days', in which access to the crash site was very limited. He said that it seems that in the first days after the disaster, more bodies have been recovered than initially thought. About two or three weeks he hopes is clear how many bodies of victims have now been geborge
Quoting thunderboltdrgn (Reply 35):
I think it would be difficult to identify a plane at 33,000 on a clear day.
And they certainly were not alerted to any planes by noise.
Quoting 802flyguy (Reply 36):
I would say what I think of Putin's thugs, airliners.net standards prevent from doing so
That thug himself is 61. At least he is not younger - the sooner he dies or is taken out the better. So, how much time as dictator would he have left at most? 2 more years of this term + another 4yr term will take him to 67. Then another 4yr stint as PM would take him to 71. Then, 2 x 4 year stints as president again (if the cycle continues) would take him to 79... Can he continue to do 2 x 4yr terms as president and then be PM for a term before regaining the presidency for another 2 terms?
On a more positive, a very nice MH17 memorial service took place in Australia today
I am afraid you are right about the courts; Putin will probably escape from any judicial punishment.
Knowing Putin, he might decide to change the laws to eliminate the requirement that he step down after one more term. He would be the Idi Amin of Russia - "Dictator for Life".
Of course, we all know how well that worked out for Mssr. Amin...
I could be wrong but I got the impression that it was a cloudy day and that no-one could have seen all the way up to 33,000 feet due to the clouds?
I have to disagree with both of you.
My place is under several north bound flight paths, particularly BNE Brisbane - TSV Townsville and BNE Brisbane - CNS Cairns.
Using Plane Finder, on a clear day, I can spot every aircraft overflying this area, regardless of height. Some have been as high 38,000 and others as low as 30,000. Vice versa, I can spot an aircraft, go to the computer and then make an identification on Plane Finder.
Planes can be tracked with 5/8 and even 6/8 cloud cover. In fact, it is easier to spot an aircraft, at that height, if there are a few clouds about; they provide a relative stable reference point against which movement is more noticeable.
Edit: If they happen to have a contrail, you can't miss them.
Interesting too, contrails are less in winter than they are in the summer months.
Goes against intuition ....
End of edit.
Just a couple of hours ago I watched an eagle way up high, just a little dot in the sky. Thinking that I should also be able to spot aircraft, if there are any, I had a good look; yep, two of them, no more than a half a dozen plane-lengths apart, ten at the most. They were right above Mount Colosseum (Queensland). Mind you, the distance between them grew bigger as they flew along; and, as one should hope, they were of course at different flight levels.
See the details of those two flights below.
It goes to show that anyone living in a war zone, with the threat of being bombed, will have no problems making out aircraft the size of an airliner; whether they are at 30,000 feet or even at 35,000 and more.
One must, of course, have a rough idea where to expect aircraft. It wouldn't be much good to pull up in the middle of Australia with the intent to spot aircraft. More than likely one wouldn't see any; you die of thirst first.
7. August, 2014, at10:16 h (local), over Mount Colosseum
Airbus A-320 Last updated 16 seconds ago
Flight No. JQ830
Callsign JST830
Tail VH-VFN
BNE Brisbane PPP Prosserpine422 miles556 miles
Altitude 37,975ft
Speed 424kts
Heading 324°
Estimated 10:47
Scheduled 10:45
Squawk 4560
Boeing 717-200 Last updated 19 seconds ago
Flight No. QJE1762
Callsign QJE1762
Tail VH-NXK
N/AN/AN/AN/AN/AN/A
Estimated N/A
Scheduled N/A
The details of these two flights were copied off Plane Finder.
It was interesting to watch how the sun reflected first off one aircraft (presumably from the windows), for just a second or so, and moments later the same reflection came off the other aircraft.
Interesting too the relative size of the aircraft and the eagle.
Both aircraft appeared to be at least two to three times bigger than the eagle, at that height.
In summary ....
I have no hesitation to believe that civilians may have seen MH-17, either just moments before or while it crashed.
Nor is there any reason to doubt the BBC news clip, I reckon.
Using Plane Finder, on a clear day, I can spot every aircraft overflying this area, regardless of height
Yeah, that's the problem. You used a tool that told you where the planes were, and when they were flying over.
GO outside on a regular old afternoon (even better if you can pick one with a slightly overcast sky) and spot the planes at cruise without contrails. You'll find that without Plane Finder or other such tool, you will be hard pressed to spot ANY planes, let alone identify a specific one.
They wouldn't even know to look.
One must, of course, have a rough idea where to expect aircraft.
That's pretty much my point. Yes, you can find a plane if you're expecting it. No, you cannot find it if you are not.
I wouldn´t put it past many a.net members to be able to do it. I know I can. But your average person? No way.
4holer
I live just south of PHX. Today just before I left work, I checked FR24 and saw that there was a Kalitta B742 crossing the California/AZ border which would fly near me in about 10-15 minutes. Being a plane geek I'd hoped to see a rare 742 flyby. Being PHX, not a cloud in the sky. I stood in a parking lot like an idiot looking for that jet flying just south of me. I couldn't see it and I was looking for it.
Without contrails, you need a very clear sky and an almost directly overhead pass to see, much less roughly identify (4 vs 2 engines) an airliner. And everyone here knows it. So do you.
Ghosts appear and fade away.....................
Quoting 4holer (Reply 43):
Apparently you need to have cloud cover to see it better.
The writer quotes the alledged traling of MH17 by a SU25 as an "established fact". Now, the SU25 has an operational height of 7000 meters without ordnance. With ordnance it is 5000 meters. Ordnance are for instance Missiles, can an air to air issile shot from 5000 meters travel a distance upwards to over 10000 meters and hit an engine.?
I have had an Argument with several users of German Forums which always led to the Explanation - yes . but the Export Version of the SU 25 has a ceiling of 12000 meters. Now, that "Export Version" that can reach 12KM is called SU39.
The Ukraine Air force does not have SU39 in their inventory.
So much to the inteesting eprspective.
bluesky9
I thought it was particularly interesting to note that "...not a single eyewitness saw the very graphic, thick missile trace that would have been clearly visible had a Buk been used."
There was a US reporter (New York Times I think) that was in the region where the A/C came down, but they also did not report seeing or hearing a Buk launch. I would imagine the sound of Buk launching would be extremely loud, and would be heard and seen by many people. Yet there are no such reports, that I have seen.
Quoting bluesky9 (Reply 47):
In the same vein, when somebody came up with a credible witness for such a smoke trail and the noise generated by the SA-11 launch, the pro-Russian commenters would discount his or her story rather quickly...
Let's discuss the facts, and not the "what-ifs".
mandala499
GO outside on a regular old afternoon (even better if you can pick one with a slightly overcast sky) and spot the planes at cruise without contrails.
A few days ago, I sat on my front porch enjoying the late afternoon air, I looked to the sky and was not looking for airplanes. Then I saw a jet fly from on top away from me, gleaming reflections of sunlight. It wasn't hard to see. My eyes was at 40-50degrees elevation, and I noticed the aircraft at abut 70degrees elevation and about 20 degrees to the right of where I was looking.
I could see it was not a 747 or a 380, they look different at altitude anyway... and I could see it was a light coloured aircraft... but that's about it.
No contrails...
And sadly, that was a Malaysian A330-300, flying a route that used to be flown by the 777-200ER
As someone who has observed various accident reports, etc, it is normal for an inflight breakup of a "peeling" kind to end up like that.
An exit would of an exploding missile would not have that size exit wound.
All the warhead needs to do is to structurally compromise the skin and some of the outer load-bearing structure for the aerodynamics to do the rest.
When losing situational awareness, pray Cumulus Granitus isn't nearby !
Quoting flyingturtle (Reply 48):
The point is that if a Buk was used, there would have been people that saw and heard it, and they would have already talked about it. Then reporters might have followed those leads, and interviewed people. But that is not what happened. In other words, there have been no claims to discount, which is unusual.
Keep in mind, a Buk launch could be seen or heard in a 50km or greater radius of the launch. That is a very large area.
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All Power to the Peaceful
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March 30, 2019 Filed in: Media | Misc. | Peace | Politics | Spirit
On Birmingham Sunday, a noise shook the ground
And people all over the earth turned around
For no one recalled a more cowardly sound
And the choirs kept singing of freedom…
Both tragic events happened on the 15thof the month, one on a Sunday morning before church services inside a Christian Baptist Church and the other on a Friday afternoon during open worship inside two Muslim mosques. One of the events resulted in the deaths of four young girls of the congregation, the other in the deaths of 50 young and old faithful followers.
Both events were cold-blooded, calculated acts of murder committed by believers in the supremacy of the European race and the inferiority of dark-skinned "others", with the added hope of sparking a race war between them. Both tragedies shocked the conscience of people around the world, jolting them out of any sense of complacency they may have been in regarding the deadly violence of white supremacists.
The Birmingham Sunday bombing took place on 15 September 1963 in Birmingham, Alabama, USA, while the Christchurch Friday massacre happened just recently on 15 March 2019 in Christchurch, New Zealand. Both sets of killings left our world forever changed. Both were, to quote the late writer and musician Richard Fariña in his 1965 song "Birmingham Sunday" — from which lyrics are excerpted here — a most cowardly sound.
Mass killings are always cowardly acts, but the murder of innocent worshippers during hours of communion with God are especially so. To step into a holy place and inject death and destruction within its sacred walls is nothing short of cowardice of a very evil kind.
And yet, if you were to ask the FPOTUS (Fake President of the United States), Donald Trump, as some in the media did, his opinion about the recent Christchurch massacre, he would say that he sees no big problem in the rise of white supremacy in the world. Perhaps because he himself is one of those white supremacist types.
New Zealand prime minister Jacinda Ardern — now there is a world leader who rose to the occasion after the killings on Christchurch Friday and showed us all how the aftermath of a neo-fascist act of terror should be handled. She had gun-control laws tightened. She stood steadfastly by the Muslim community. She condemned the Australian gunman who carried out the killings, even to the point of refusing to utter his name in public and denying him the media notoriety he sought. FPOTUS Trump has much to learn from prime minister Ardern.
The initial shock of the Christchurch massacre is now subsiding and surviving members of the Muslim community there are somehow starting to resume their shattered lives. But as the Birmingham Sunday killings have showed us more than a half-century later, time never fully heals those deep wounds. A massacre is a massacre is a massacre, and when an individual criminal or group of criminals inflicts deep pain on innocent victims in a house of religious and spiritual worship, it affects us all as part of the human family. It can be no other way.
Power to the people? Yes, that old fist-pumping phrase from the turbulent 1960s and 1970s has its place in social justice issues. But in honoring today those who perished on Birmingham Sunday and on Christchurch Friday, I prefer another one: Power to the peaceful — "power" in this sense also including the spiritual kind of power that we all have inside us to do good. I say, power to those who live out the nonviolent creed of their religious faiths with compassion and brotherhood/sisterhood every day. Power to those who love their neighbor as they would have their neighbor love them in return. Power to those who unite people through love and peace, instead of dividing by hate and war.
All power to the peaceful people of the world.
The Sunday has come, the Sunday has gone
I can't do much more than to sing you a song
I'll sing it so softly, it'll do no one wrong
And the choirs keep singing of freedom…
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The Civil Engagement Group
Alice-Mary Higgins
Lynn Ruane
Frances Black
Eileen Flynn
Making the Seanad work for civil society
Reforming the Seanad
Highlighting and tackling homelessness
December 3, 2018 December 16, 2019 seanadceg
Since the Civil Engagement Group's foundation in May 2016, all of the Senators have made it their mission to make the voice of civil society heard in the Oireachtas.
Bunreacht na hÉireann envisions an upper house where a certain number of the Senators are elected "having knowledge and practical experience of" a number of particular areas of interest:
National Language and Culture, Literature, Art, Education and such professional interests as may be defined by law for the purpose of this panel;
Agriculture and allied interests, and Fisheries;
Labour, whether organised or unorganised;
Industry and Commerce, including banking, finance, accountancy, engineering and architecture;
Public Administration and social services, including voluntary social activities.
In practice, while Senators are nominated by well-known bodies organised and recognised to do so under those categories, never has any group of Senators sought explicitly to represent the specific expertise and interests of the people working day in and day out in such organisations.
Speaking on the formation of the Civil Engagement Group, Senator Alice-Mary Higgins said; "We saw a natural alliance form, based on shared experience of working within civil society, activism and social movements. There was also common ground around a more inclusive and transformative approach to policy-making, with a stronger focus on equality."
Senator Frances Black also highlighted that; "While the members of our group are new to political office, we bring to the table a proven commitment to social advocacy. Often the most vulnerable in society are the least heard. We each want to change that and by working together, we can, I believe, have a greater impact and shine a light on sometimes invisible issues."
In May 2019 the group tabled legislation to support the voices of community and advocacy groups whose voices were being inadvertently silenced through application of the Electoral Act, limiting their ability to advocate through the political processes of the Oireachtas and through referendum campaigns.
In the three years since the group's formation, they have championed the voice of civil society through, among others:
Legislative proposals directly (Private Members' Business) and indirectly (amendments to government legislation);
Holding government to account and putting issues on the political agenda through membership in Joint Oireachtas committees;
Bringing together alliances of like-minded parliamentarians at home through All-Party Oireachtas Groups;
Promoting international cooperation and inspiration through the Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe and other global forums.
On the 4th of October 2013, the people of Ireland voted by a narrow margin against the proposed abolition of the Seanad. The Civil Engagement Group firmly believes this vote did not reflect a belief that the Seanad should be left exactly as is, and rather a belief that while Ireland does need a bicameral system, the upper house should be fundamentally reformed to be fit for purpose, democratic and accountable to the public. Many members of the Civil Engagement Group campaigned vocally to retain the Seanad in advance of that referendum.
On the first sitting day of the current, 25th, Seanad Éireann, every member of the Civil Engagement Group co-sponsored the Seanad Reform Bill 2016 along with other members of the house.
This proposed legislation was introduced so early in the Seanad's term to reflect the urgency and high demand for reform which was heard during the 2013 referendum campaign.
Senator Alice-Mary Higgins and Senator Grace O'Sullivan represented the Group on the 2018 Seanad Reform Implementation group, which published its report in December 2018.
Among the reforms proposed on a cross-party basis by the group are:
Graduates of all higher education institutions will be entitled to vote in a single, six-seat, constituency – replacing the current three seat National University of Ireland, and three-seat Dublin University constituencies.
The 43 vocational panel seats will be opened up with 28 being elected directly by the public, and 15 by local councillors and other political representatives.
Each voter will be able to choose which vocational panel they wish to cast their vote in.
The franchise for Seanad elections will be extended to Irish citizens overseas and to people resident in Northern Ireland who are entitled to Irish citizenship.
While the Programme for Partnership Government commits the government of the 32nd Dáil to enacting reform of the Seanad there has been very little progress made by government. This latest report is the 14th published in the past 80 years setting out pragmatic reform proposals to the Seanad.
The Civil Engagement Group remains committed to reforming and empowering a democratic, transparent and responsive Seanad.
The housing crisis is one of the defining political challenges of our time. In recent times it has led to over 10,000 people including close to 4,000 children living in persistent homelessness, and the Civil Engagement Group have been campaigning on this issue since the first days of the current Seanad.
The Group's very first motion proposed, and adopted unanimously by the whole House concerned the particular issue of housing for people with disabilities. The Group has continued to exert pressure on the Government to address the particular needs of people with disabilities on an all-of-government basis time after time, and housing is no exception.
Another specific area within the housing issue is the chronic lack of suitable and quality housing for members of the Traveller community. The Group has raised this issue time and again, leading to hearings in the Seanad and in the Committee rooms, and to the creation of the Special Joint Oireachtas Committee on Key Issues Affecting the Traveller Community.
Since then, the group has proposed constructive legislation to help address the crisis, proposed amendments to government legislation and held the Ministers for Housing to account on their activities in working on housing provision, and advocated on behalf of experts and civil society organisations working in homelessness and housing provision both in the Seanad, in the media and through active participation in the Joint Oireachtas Committee on Housing, Planning and Local Government.
The Group believe that the government has begun using the constitution as an excuse to not introduce real housing reform, and will continue actively and loudly campaigning on housing and homelessness until government policy begins to show progress.


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Jetsunma Tenzin Palmo: The Cave
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In 1976 Tenzin Palmo went to live in a cave in the Himalayas. The cave was ten feet wide and six feet deep. The mountain reached over 10,000ft in the Lahul region near a monastery she had stayed at prior, a region that would reach -30 degrees Fahrenheit and snowed over the year. A profound Western woman stretching the limits expected of Buddhist nuns, Palmo lived in the cave for twelve years parallel to the most devoted Tibetan yogis.
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People waver between confusion and awe when hearing of Palmo's twelve years, posing the question why? Palmo had been the only nun amongst dozens of monks who, while respectful, left her feeling isolated due to her sex. She left her root guru's monastery for the region of Lahaul. The monastery offered a bit of relief from her feminine isolation, but it was not quite enough and deterred her spiritual longing. Palmo heard of a cave near the monastery and immediately wanted to go. Locals again made comments about her female body, noting that men would rape her, there were ghosts, and she would freeze to death. Ironically no male yogis undergo such attempts to thwart their mystical dedication. Palmo took up the matter with her guru, Khamtrul Rinpoche, who simply noted that if the cave was fairly dry and faced south she would be alright. So she went.
The First Nine Years
An alter was erected, a wall was built to help insulation in the winter, and a store room was created. At thirty-three, Palmo was physically isolated, but very content in her new home. She followed an organized routine that included four three hour time blocks of meditating in a traditional wooden meditation box. She would sleep sitting up in the box for three hours a night as was procedure.
Palmo grew her own food in a garden producing mostly turnips and potatoes. She would go down to the monastery to attend teachings. She would also visit her guru, gather supplies, and prepare for long isolated winters. It went on like this for nine years until Palmo decided she was ready for a strict retreat. Three years in total isolation.
Three Years Alone
Palmo went through the three years in almost absolute calm, remarking after that it was amazing she didn't become at all claustrophobic. There was a blizzard that lasted over a week completely blocking her into darkness. The snow blocked the entrance and it took her a few hours to shovel out, something she had to do on more than one occasion. The retreat left Palmo with a new confidence and resourcefulness.
At the end of the three years Palmo was startled by someone's presence at her entrance. On the other side of her door was a police officer that informed her she had been in the country illegally for the last three years. She was to evacuate the cave within twenty-four hours or they would incite action. This marked the end of Palmo's twelve years in a cave, three in complete isolation. She left for Italy and began raising funds for the nunnery that would open twelve years later.
Cave in the Snow
Tenzin Palmo came out of the cave in 1988 and in 1999 Vicki Mackenzie published Cave in the Snow: Tenzin Palmo's Quest for Enlightenment. Palmo, who did not actively read the book about her life, believes that Mackenzie is a wonderful author. Believing that if she had written the book herself it would have been remarkably boring, however, Mackenzie managed to make the book honest and exciting. The book became a hit not just for Buddhist's, but people who knew nothing about the religion. Recognized as an inspiration, the book brought a lot of attention to Palmo. The book was turned into a documentary with the same title in 2002, just one year after the opening of Palmo's nunnery.
Longing to Return
Similar to the Buddha and his lack of desire to teach upon enlightenment, Palmo does not actively enjoy teaching and is eager to return to retreat in the future. However, when she came out of the cave, she was finally ready to take on the task of helping elevate women in Buddhism and continues to work for this cause today. She transcends the boundaries laid for women in her religion and maintains that she will continue to do so, as a woman, throughout all her future rebirths.
- Kate Mattes