She is also an institute-trained pastoral counselor, experienced in working with individuals and couples who desire to use the resources of their faith and spirituality, however they define it, to create less distressed, more balanced, loving, and satisfying lives. In the last five years, she has deepened and enhanced her sessions by adding Internal Family Systems, a client-friendly way to work, which uses guided meditations and internal dialoguing to go deeply but gently, and move more efficiently toward healing.