He reflects on the Oregon Citizens Alliance Ballot Measure 9, and the tense battle it generated in 1992. This is a clip from an event held October 3, 2012, at Q Center in Portland. The discussion, marking the 20th anniversary of the defeat of Measure 9, was organized by GLAPN, hosted by Q Center, and co-sponsored by Basic Rights Oregon and the Human Rights Commission. Charlie was onstage with Kathleen Saadat. Kristan Knapp introduced him.