At the time of the interview he was working in Tower Hamlets in London. When introducing the interview, Fergal Keane suggested that a clinical psychologist that takes a stand against the widespread use of medication in mental illness is not perhaps all that unusual these days. However what was unusual was that Rufus May had taken this stance for his experience of mental health services as a patient. In the programme he told how he had kept quiet about his experience of mental health problems to be able to undertake his clinical psychology training. He also recounted some of his experience as a survivor. Asked to explain his mental health difficulties, he said:-