part 173 comprises the light converter 100 or may especially consist of the light converter 100 the surface of the non transmissive part of the enclosure is indicated with reference 171 at least part of the surface 171 may comprise a reflector such as a reflective coating the light converter 100 provides upon excitation light converter light 111 which at least comprises organic luminescent material light 141 but may optionally comprise other luminescence light as well see below the lighting device light indicated with reference 2 at least comprises light converter light 111 organic luminescent material light 141 but may optionally comprise one or more of the light source light 11 further luminescent material light 131 and light of other luminescent materials not depicted fig1 b schematically depicts an embodiment wherein the light converter 100 may comprise an upstream layer with further luminescent material 130 optionally this may be a light converter comprising two layers comprising the same matrix but comprising different luminescent materials the distance of the layer with further luminescent material 130 to the light source is indicated with dl this distance is in this embodiment non zero in contrast to the embodiment schematically depicted in fig1 a fig1 c schematically depicts an embodiment wherein the light converter 100 comprises the further luminescent material 140 e g in the form of quantum dots and the organic luminescent material 130 according to formula i both the organic luminescent material 140 and the further luminescent material 130 are in this embodiment embedded in the remote light converter i e embedded in the polymeric matrix of the light converter 100 fig1 d.