《明史·志·卷二十八》
刘健等人说： 礼议确实有，只是当年所引唐、宋旧例，不是汉以前的制度。 
刘健等言： 议诚有之，顾当年所引唐、宋故事，非汉以前制也。 
Liu Jian and the others said: The ritual is indeed there, but the precedent from the Tang and Song dynasties that was cited at that time was not an institution that existed before the Han period.