《金史·列传·卷四十四》
回答说 ：军器的好坏在于兵部，材料物资则属户部，工匠则归工部。 
对曰： 军器美恶在兵部，材物则户部，工匠则工部。 
He replied, “The quality of military weapons depends on the Ministry of War, while the materials and financial resources are administrated by the Ministry of Revenue, and the craftsmen are overseen by the Ministry of Industry.”