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  <p>The star reaches a critical mass and ignites, <strong>blowing away the surrounding material</strong>. (OP emphasis)</p>
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<p>I think the misunderstanding is that it's not that explosive when the star "lights up". The process is in some sense continuous, so the nuclear reactions start slowly and gradually increase in strength as the star continues to contract, grow, and heat up inside.  Once the amount of radiation from the surface becomes sufficiently hot, we can speak of "blowing away" material, but even then it's not violent. The absorption of light in the gas creates a pressure that pushes the gas away. It picks up pace as the star settles down (and depending on how massive the star is), but it's broadly a consistent stream. (Astronomers are probably unwise to use the word "ignite" because all we mean is that the nuclear reaction rates become non-negligible. It's not like a rocket taking off or something.)</p>

<p>Generally, star formation is a poorly-understood process and a hot topic for research.  For stars larger than about 7 solar masses, we think that nuclear reactions begin before all the material has gathered in the star. i.e. while some is still flowing on. If this happens through a disk, then the light can stream out everywhere but the equator without much affecting the growth of the star.</p>

<p>That said, at <em>very</em> high masses, you do run into a problem of blowing mass away. For this reason, we don't really expect to see many stars over a few hundred solar masses, and those that are can be violently unstable (like Eta Carina, which threw off about 10 solar masses of material in the mid-19th century).</p>

<p>And as for stars genuinely "blowing up", this does happen in other circumstances. For example, in the core of a solar mass red giant, matter becomes nearly isothermal.  It eventually gets hot enough to ignite helium, and it nearly all lights up at nearly the same time in a <em>helium flash</em>.  This briefly produces as much light as a small galaxy! But only very briefly, and it doesn't make it to the surface for us to see. Incidentally, this is also the same mechanism as Type Ia supernovae: an isothermal carbon-oxygen white dwarf accretes matter until the carbon lights up, and the whole white dwarf basically ignites at the same time.</p>

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2014-08-20T05:55:04.540Z
Warrick
<p>Most descriptions of star ignition go something like... The star reaches a critical mass and ignites, <b>blowing away the surrounding material</b>. The most obvious question would be "Why are stars not all the same size?", given that the critical mass for ignition would appear to be the same, but I understand that stars can accumulate mass from collisions from other stars, planetary bodies etc. </p>

<p>So my question is also based on the fact that larger stars also burn more energetically, I assume blowing away more of the the lighter elements from the surrounding cloud after formation and gathering more heavy elements,... do larger stars have a significantly different composition from smaller stars? --- or is the simple description of star formation misleading?</p>

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2014-08-14T20:02:21.267Z
Star mass and composition also depends on the mass and composition of the nebula in which it formed. But most stars are almost completely (at birth) hydrogen and helium.
HDE 226868
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2014-08-14T20:51:50.763Z
Do you want more information, or is that enough? I can make a full answer, if you want.
HDE 226868
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2014-08-14T21:12:44.140Z
There is a time delay between ignition and emission of radiation. There's a bunch of stuff in the way already, so it takes time to get out. In the interim, mass continues to accumulate. I'm sure the full story is more complicated, but that's one simple reason. More mass nearby means bigger final mass before the solar wind hits.
zibadawa timmy
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2014-08-15T12:58:54.477Z
Thanks HDE 226868 and zibadawa timmy, I guess that makes sense, I guess I'm trying to explain to myself that if stars come from essentially the same stuff, explaining a difference of orders of magnitude in mass is difficult given the simple description of star formation above.
PhilC
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2014-08-15T14:38:33.550Z
I think there may be confusion here between "a gas cloud reaches a critical mass/radius and collapses to form a star" and "the protostellar core reaches a critical temperatre and starts hydrogen fusion".  See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeans_instability for the former.
AstroFloyd
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2014-08-15T22:36:30.517Z
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation There's also the wiki page on star formation. It says we're not entirely sure how large stars form. One possibility is that the energy is not radiated uniformly, but through narrow jets. This would let matter away from the jets continue to accrete onto the developing star.
zibadawa timmy
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What is star composition after formation
PhilC
# What is star composition after formation

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-08-14)

Most descriptions of star ignition go something like... The star reaches a critical mass and ignites, **blowing away the surrounding material**. The most obvious question would be "Why are stars not all the same size?", given that the critical mass for ignition would appear to be the same, but I understand that stars can accumulate mass from collisions from other stars, planetary bodies etc.

So my question is also based on the fact that larger stars also burn more energetically, I assume blowing away more of the the lighter elements from the surrounding cloud after formation and gathering more heavy elements,... do larger stars have a significantly different composition from smaller stars? --- or is the simple description of star formation misleading?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Star mass and composition also depends on the mass and composition of the nebula in which it formed. But most stars are almost completely (at birth) hydrogen and helium.  
> **username_1**: Do you want more information, or is that enough? I can make a full answer, if you want.  
> **username_2**: There is a time delay between ignition and emission of radiation. There's a bunch of stuff in the way already, so it takes time to get out. In the interim, mass continues to accumulate. I'm sure the full story is more complicated, but that's one simple reason. More mass nearby means bigger final mass before the solar wind hits.  
> **username_0**: Thanks HDE 226868 and zibadawa timmy, I guess that makes sense, I guess I'm trying to explain to myself that if stars come from essentially the same stuff, explaining a difference of orders of magnitude in mass is difficult given the simple description of star formation above.  
> **username_3**: I think there may be confusion here between "a gas cloud reaches a critical mass/radius and collapses to form a star" and "the protostellar core reaches a critical temperatre and starts hydrogen fusion".  See e.g. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeans_instability for the former.  
> **username_2**: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_formation There's also the wiki page on star formation. It says we're not entirely sure how large stars form. One possibility is that the energy is not radiated uniformly, but through narrow jets. This would let matter away from the jets continue to accrete onto the developing star.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2014-08-20. Score: 4

> The star reaches a critical mass and ignites, **blowing away the surrounding material**. (OP emphasis)

I think the misunderstanding is that it's not that explosive when the star "lights up". The process is in some sense continuous, so the nuclear reactions start slowly and gradually increase in strength as the star continues to contract, grow, and heat up inside. Once the amount of radiation from the surface becomes sufficiently hot, we can speak of "blowing away" material, but even then it's not violent. The absorption of light in the gas creates a pressure that pushes the gas away. It picks up pace as the star settles down (and depending on how massive the star is), but it's broadly a consistent stream. (Astronomers are probably unwise to use the word "ignite" because all we mean is that the nuclear reaction rates become non-negligible. It's not like a rocket taking off or something.)

Generally, star formation is a poorly-understood process and a hot topic for research. For stars larger than about 7 solar masses, we think that nuclear reactions begin before all the material has gathered in the star. i.e. while some is still flowing on. If this happens through a disk, then the light can stream out everywhere but the equator without much affecting the growth of the star.

That said, at *very* high masses, you do run into a problem of blowing mass away. For this reason, we don't really expect to see many stars over a few hundred solar masses, and those that are can be violently unstable (like Eta Carina, which threw off about 10 solar masses of material in the mid-19th century).

And as for stars genuinely "blowing up", this does happen in other circumstances. For example, in the core of a solar mass red giant, matter becomes nearly isothermal. It eventually gets hot enough to ignite helium, and it nearly all lights up at nearly the same time in a *helium flash*. This briefly produces as much light as a small galaxy! But only very briefly, and it doesn't make it to the surface for us to see. Incidentally, this is also the same mechanism as Type Ia supernovae: an isothermal carbon-oxygen white dwarf accretes matter until the carbon lights up, and the whole white dwarf basically ignites at the same time.


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