<p>No, supernovae have been observed earlier and with better cadence than this one. </p>

<p>The Kepler Satellite has been observing galaxies at a 30 minute cadence from months before the supernova explosion to months afterwards.  Most of these have been Type Ia which do not have detectable shock breakouts, but there was one SN with a breakout published in the Astrophysical Journal before this one: <a href="http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016ApJ...820...23G" rel="nofollow noreferrer">"Shock Breakout and Early Light Curves of a Type II-P Supernovae Observed with Kepler"</a>.  </p>

<p>The Nature paper linked in the question provides 4 other SN that were also detected about as early.  I think the new thing here is that it was discovered so early by an amateur astronomer.</p>

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2018-04-11T22:42:06.870Z
Excellent answer, thank you!  fyi I have two other questions that are related to surveys; [Might the SpaceX Roadster intercept any ongoing surveys?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/25007/7982) and also [Is there a way to find which major sky surveys are currently active?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/25655/7982)
uhoh
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2018-04-11T22:43:35.380Z
I hope you don't mind that I've added a few line breaks to the formatting of your answer.
uhoh
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@uhoh - I suppose the Roadster will show up in surveys.  It is small, but still very nearby.   But, it is just one more thing to add to the thousands of asteroids and abandoned satellites nearby that surveys find and either ignore or study depending on who is looking.  For a list of surveys, Wikipedia comes to the rescue again                (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_survey#List_of_sky_surveys).
eshaya
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2018-04-13T02:39:12.257Z
It's better to comment about my other questions on the particular question itself, rather than here. That will give you the opportunity to *read the question* before responding to it! That link was already posted as an answer on the second question, and I've responded to it in a [comment](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/25655/is-there-a-way-to-find-which-major-sky-surveys-are-currently-active#comment44143_25662) there as well.
uhoh
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eshaya
<p>The new paper in Nature <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25151" rel="nofollow noreferrer">A surge of light at the birth of a supernova</a> (doi:10.1038/nature25151) describes the fortuitous capture of a supernova "Shock Breakout" - the earliest rise in brightness of a supernova only about 4 hours old. An <em>open access epdf</em> is linked in the Washington Post article if you <em>click from inside it:</em> <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/21/a-self-taught-astronomer-spotted-something-no-scientist-had-ever-seen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">A self-taught astronomer spotted something no scientist had ever seen</a> which is a good read itself.</p>

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  <p>His discovery, <a href="http://nature.com/articles/doi:10.1038/nature25151" rel="nofollow noreferrer">reported Wednesday in the journal Nature</a>, is a landmark for astronomy. Buso’s images are the first to capture the brief “shock breakout” phase of a supernova, when a wave of energy rolls from a star’s core to its exterior just before the star explodes. Computer models had suggested the existence of this phase, but no one had witnessed it.</p>
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<p>Is this the earliest that such a phenomenon has been "seen" by a person, or does this observation also hold the record after including all of the automated searches for supernovae by robotic telescopes as well?</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/rBMl7.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/rBMl7.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p><strong>below:</strong> "Astronomer Victor Buso poses in front of the telescope with which he witnessed the birth of the supernova 2016gkg. (Victor Buso)" From <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/21/a-self-taught-astronomer-spotted-something-no-scientist-had-ever-seen/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>. Click/open for full size.</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/H3fPU.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/H3fPUm.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

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2018-02-22T09:27:17.803Z
@Kozaky the phenomenon is described in the 2nd half of the first sentence "...fortuitous capture of a supernova "Shock Breakout" - the earliest rise in brightness of a supernova only about 4 hours old." but I will add a block quote to make it even clearer. Thanks!
uhoh
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Does this amateur observation hold a record even including robotic searches for supernovae?
uhoh
# Does this amateur observation hold a record even including robotic searches for supernovae?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-02-21)

The new paper in Nature [A surge of light at the birth of a supernova](https://www.nature.com/articles/nature25151) (doi:10.1038/nature25151) describes the fortuitous capture of a supernova "Shock Breakout" - the earliest rise in brightness of a supernova only about 4 hours old. An *open access epdf* is linked in the Washington Post article if you *click from inside it:* [A self-taught astronomer spotted something no scientist had ever seen](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/21/a-self-taught-astronomer-spotted-something-no-scientist-had-ever-seen/) which is a good read itself.

> His discovery, [reported Wednesday in the journal Nature](http://nature.com/articles/doi:10.1038/nature25151), is a landmark for astronomy. Buso’s images are the first to capture the brief “shock breakout” phase of a supernova, when a wave of energy rolls from a star’s core to its exterior just before the star explodes. Computer models had suggested the existence of this phase, but no one had witnessed it.

Is this the earliest that such a phenomenon has been "seen" by a person, or does this observation also hold the record after including all of the automated searches for supernovae by robotic telescopes as well?

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/rBMl7.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/rBMl7.png)

**below:** "Astronomer Victor Buso poses in front of the telescope with which he witnessed the birth of the supernova 2016gkg. (Victor Buso)" From [here](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/speaking-of-science/wp/2018/02/21/a-self-taught-astronomer-spotted-something-no-scientist-had-ever-seen/). Click/open for full size.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/H3fPUm.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/H3fPU.jpg)

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, amateur-observing, supernova, serendipity
> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: @Kozaky the phenomenon is described in the 2nd half of the first sentence "...fortuitous capture of a supernova "Shock Breakout" - the earliest rise in brightness of a supernova only about 4 hours old." but I will add a block quote to make it even clearer. Thanks!  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-04-11. Score: 5 | Accepted answer

No, supernovae have been observed earlier and with better cadence than this one.

The Kepler Satellite has been observing galaxies at a 30 minute cadence from months before the supernova explosion to months afterwards. Most of these have been Type Ia which do not have detectable shock breakouts, but there was one SN with a breakout published in the Astrophysical Journal before this one: ["Shock Breakout and Early Light Curves of a Type II-P Supernovae Observed with Kepler"](http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2016ApJ...820...23G).

The Nature paper linked in the question provides 4 other SN that were also detected about as early. I think the new thing here is that it was discovered so early by an amateur astronomer.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Excellent answer, thank you!  fyi I have two other questions that are related to surveys; [Might the SpaceX Roadster intercept any ongoing surveys?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/25007/7982) and also [Is there a way to find which major sky surveys are currently active?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/25655/7982)  
> **username_0**: I hope you don't mind that I've added a few line breaks to the formatting of your answer.  
> **username_1**: @uhoh - I suppose the Roadster will show up in surveys.  It is small, but still very nearby.   But, it is just one more thing to add to the thousands of asteroids and abandoned satellites nearby that surveys find and either ignore or study depending on who is looking.  For a list of surveys, Wikipedia comes to the rescue again                (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_survey#List_of_sky_surveys).  
> **username_0**: It's better to comment about my other questions on the particular question itself, rather than here. That will give you the opportunity to *read the question* before responding to it! That link was already posted as an answer on the second question, and I've responded to it in a [comment](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/25655/is-there-a-way-to-find-which-major-sky-surveys-are-currently-active#comment44143_25662) there as well.  

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