<p>The related observation in astronomy is <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax" rel="nofollow noreferrer">stellar parallax</a>:
the observer knows the Earth's position relative to the Sun, measures tiny annual oscillations in the direction to another star, and estimates the distance to the star.
A star at a distance of 1 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec" rel="nofollow noreferrer">parsec</a> (pc) appears to shift by 1 arcsecond (4.85 &mu;rad) per <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit" rel="nofollow noreferrer">astronomical unit</a> (au) of lateral displacement.
Since parallax is inversely related to distance, the relative error of a parallax-based distance estimate increases with distance.
For any given star, the position uncertainty ellipsoid is shaped like a needle pointing toward the Sun.</p>

<p>Aboard an interstellar spacecraft with limited observational facilities, it may not be practical to measure angles between nearby stars directly.
Instead you might individually measure their positions relative to several distant <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogues_of_Fundamental_Stars" rel="nofollow noreferrer">reference stars</a> near them in the sky.
For best results, you would need to account for the stars' <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion" rel="nofollow noreferrer">proper motion</a> over the duration of your journey.</p>

<p>After doing that data reduction, you can compute angles APB, BPC, APC fairly precisely.
However, the Sun distances SA, SB, SC have significant uncertainties which propagate to other quantities computed from them, e.g. distances AB, BC, AC.
You can estimate distances PA, PB, PC by the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_sines" rel="nofollow noreferrer">law of sines</a>, but these are uncertain by similar amounts.
Alternatively you can estimate PA, PB, PC by comparing <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude" rel="nofollow noreferrer">apparent magnitudes</a> to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_magnitude" rel="nofollow noreferrer">absolute magnitudes</a>, which are subject to the same uncertainties.
Then you can find the intersection of spheres around A, B, C to estimate position P, but still no more precisely than distances SA, SB, SC.
P is not so much a point as a probability distribution cloud which expands as you move away from the Sun.</p>

<p>In the real world, our most distant spacecraft <a href="https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Voyager 1</a> is only 145 au (0.0007 pc) away.
Within about 400 times that distance, or 1/5 the distance to &alpha; Cen, the Sun is the brightest star in the sky by far and would remain your primary point of reference.</p>

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<p>Imagine you have 3 star points in 3D space A,B and C.
From your unknown position P in space you can measure the angles APC, APB, BPC and you know coordinates of A,B and C and therefore the distances between AB,BC,CA. Is there a way to calculate your own position P? Imagine you are floating in space and you're not on a sphere like earth.</p>

<p>Perhaps this is a frequent problem in astronomy and am wondering if there are any techniques to solve it. If you think there is, please point me in the right direction!</p>

<p>Greetings,
Matlab M.</p>

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This is straightforward geometry (although it is a little tedious). But in astronomy, you're unlikely to have good 3D coordinates for A, B, & C. Plus, everything's moving. And if the distance to your reference points is large, you're going to need very good angle measurements to narrow down the region of your location.
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Okay, in the situation I'm curious about, the distances to the stars is about 1000 times the distance between stars which are well known, the angles are about ~50 millirad with a accuracy of 1 microrad, I think it might be possible. I'm looking for the straightforward geometry, but am unsuccessful in finding it.
Matlab M.
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Hi @MatlabM. go ahead an edit your question and include all of the information that you put in the comment. Stack Exchange runs on question posts and answer posts, not "threads". Many people will answer based only on the question, and not bother to read comments, and comments should be considered temporary and can be unpredictably/unexpectedly cleaned up.
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Can you find your own location in space by measuring angles between stars?
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# Can you find your own location in space by measuring angles between stars?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-04-22)

Imagine you have 3 star points in 3D space A,B and C.
From your unknown position P in space you can measure the angles APC, APB, BPC and you know coordinates of A,B and C and therefore the distances between AB,BC,CA. Is there a way to calculate your own position P? Imagine you are floating in space and you're not on a sphere like earth.

Perhaps this is a frequent problem in astronomy and am wondering if there are any techniques to solve it. If you think there is, please point me in the right direction!

Greetings,
Matlab M.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: This is straightforward geometry (although it is a little tedious). But in astronomy, you're unlikely to have good 3D coordinates for A, B, & C. Plus, everything's moving. And if the distance to your reference points is large, you're going to need very good angle measurements to narrow down the region of your location.  
> **username_0**: Okay, in the situation I'm curious about, the distances to the stars is about 1000 times the distance between stars which are well known, the angles are about ~50 millirad with a accuracy of 1 microrad, I think it might be possible. I'm looking for the straightforward geometry, but am unsuccessful in finding it.  
> **username_2**: Hi @MatlabM. go ahead an edit your question and include all of the information that you put in the comment. Stack Exchange runs on question posts and answer posts, not "threads". Many people will answer based only on the question, and not bother to read comments, and comments should be considered temporary and can be unpredictably/unexpectedly cleaned up.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2019-04-23. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

The related observation in astronomy is [stellar parallax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_parallax):
the observer knows the Earth's position relative to the Sun, measures tiny annual oscillations in the direction to another star, and estimates the distance to the star.
A star at a distance of 1 [parsec](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec) (pc) appears to shift by 1 arcsecond (4.85 μrad) per [astronomical unit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astronomical_unit) (au) of lateral displacement.
Since parallax is inversely related to distance, the relative error of a parallax-based distance estimate increases with distance.
For any given star, the position uncertainty ellipsoid is shaped like a needle pointing toward the Sun.

Aboard an interstellar spacecraft with limited observational facilities, it may not be practical to measure angles between nearby stars directly.
Instead you might individually measure their positions relative to several distant [reference stars](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catalogues_of_Fundamental_Stars) near them in the sky.
For best results, you would need to account for the stars' [proper motion](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proper_motion) over the duration of your journey.

After doing that data reduction, you can compute angles APB, BPC, APC fairly precisely.
However, the Sun distances SA, SB, SC have significant uncertainties which propagate to other quantities computed from them, e.g. distances AB, BC, AC.
You can estimate distances PA, PB, PC by the [law of sines](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_sines), but these are uncertain by similar amounts.
Alternatively you can estimate PA, PB, PC by comparing [apparent magnitudes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparent_magnitude) to [absolute magnitudes](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_magnitude), which are subject to the same uncertainties.
Then you can find the intersection of spheres around A, B, C to estimate position P, but still no more precisely than distances SA, SB, SC.
P is not so much a point as a probability distribution cloud which expands as you move away from the Sun.

In the real world, our most distant spacecraft [Voyager 1](https://voyager.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status/) is only 145 au (0.0007 pc) away.
Within about 400 times that distance, or 1/5 the distance to α Cen, the Sun is the brightest star in the sky by far and would remain your primary point of reference.


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