<p>Phobos's orbit is, like Mars' axis, inclined to Mars orbit by 25 degrees, so at greatest offset, I figure that Phobos is likely to be offset from the plane of Mars orbit by more than Mars' radius. Even at a periapsis distance of 9234km,
9234km*sine(25 degrees)=3902 km
is more than Mars radius of 3390 km.
So in winter and summer, there should be full Phobos.</p>

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Sounds feasible. FWIW, you can plot the orbits of Phobos & Deimos around Mars in 3D using my script here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/49823/16685 The body IDs are 499, 401 & 402.
PM 2Ring
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<p>Taking Mars' average distance from the sun of 1.52 AU, the sun would be 43% as bright.  </p>

<p>Phobos has an <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)" rel="nofollow noreferrer">albedo of about 0.071</a> which is pretty dark.  Darker than the Moon with an average albedo of about 0.12, so it reflects about 59% as well as the Moon does.   That gives it a brightness to area of just over 25% the brightness of the moon.</p>

<p>Phobos is an odd shape, about 27x22x18 km.   Averaging that out to 22, then Phobos is 1/158 the diameter of the Moon, but it's closer to Mars' surface.  about 5,986 km, that's about 63.5 times closer than the Moon is to the surface of the Earth.</p>

<p>Working out the numbers, the size of phobos in the Martian sky would be on average 63.5/158 or 40% the diameter, or 16% the size of Earth's Moon from Earth.    Multiply that by 25% the brightness to area and that's just 4% the brightness of a full moon.  That would be peak brightness  (and if you want to fuss about Mars' Perihelion and say 5% the brightness of a full moon, fair enough, but lets not get ahead of ourselves).</p>

<p>Brightness of our Moon varies depending how good a reflector it's surface is, and how much of the surface is in shadow.  The Moon is particularly cratered so <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/ct-wea-0404-asktom-20150403-column.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">a half moon is significantly less than half as bright as a full moon</a>.  Phobos is so close to Mars that from the surface of Phobos, Mars takes up about 40 degrees of arc in the sky.  That casts a huge shadow, so there's no such thing, from Mars, as a full Phobos.  As Phobos approaches full, it enters Mars' shadow and it's brightness drops significantly  (whether it turns red like a blood moon or just vanishes - I'm not sure, perhaps that's best for another question).   But Phobos never becomes full, it gets a bit over 3/4s, then it enters Mars' shadow.</p>

<p>"Enough to see" is a tough question, because sight depends on not just the light source but the reflectivity of your surroundings and there's some variation in how well individuals can see in the dark and, obviously, on how clear the night sky is on Mars on that particular night.  <em>I think 3%-4% of the brightness of a 3/4 moon would be pushing the limit though and probably not bright enough to see for the most people</em>.    <strong>BUT</strong> reading the comments, and reading the very cool Venus shadow article in the questions comments, my assumption might be wrong.   Limited sight might/(should?) be possible with some recognition of shadows and shapes.</p>

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I suspect a properly dark-adapted eye could see OK when Phobos is gibbous,  but don't have the scotopic data curves at hand at the moment.
Carl Witthoft
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2018-03-15T18:14:25.667Z
Good answer; but I disagree with the last phrase. You would see alright, you just couldn't read. I've spent nights in the desert under a moonless sky and I had no problem walking around, picking up instruments from the car or table, even seeing people's facial expressions. The ground was visible enough to avoid obstacles. I think, the more time we spend in the city, the more we underestimate just how bright the night sky actually is. Phobos would add even more light to that. It would be more than enough to walk around unimpeded.
Florin Andrei
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2018-03-15T18:15:49.383Z
BTW, fun fact: the Moon has about the same albedo as an asphalt road. It's pretty dark.
Florin Andrei
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@FlorinAndrei careful there - don't conflate "dark" with "nonreflective"  :-).
Carl Witthoft
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2018-03-15T18:19:07.047Z
@CarlWitthoft It's fine to use the adjective "dark" when talking about colors and shades.
Florin Andrei
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This might also help picture how they would look like in the Martian sky: https://www.space.com/28403-astronauts-mars-skywatching-phobos-deimos.html
Eduardo Trápani
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Concerning the claim that "there's no such thing, from Mars, as a full Phobos": it is only true if looking from "the center" of Mars. But since Phobos's orbital radius is only 2 or 3 times the radius of Mars, phases of Phobos look different from different spots on Mars. Suppose that Phobos is about to enter Mars's shadow: this means that the line of sight from Phobos to the Sun is about to be obscured by Mars - in fact, by some specific spot of the Martian surface. If you then happened to be standing on that precise spot, you would see a Phobos phase indistinguishable in practice from "full".
Ilia Smilga
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@IliaSmilga  Good point, effectively at setting or rising, near the horizon.   I hadn't considered that.   It would be interesting to actually watch Phobos transition from full to less full, or full to in Mars shadow.    It orbits Mars every 7 hours and 40 minutes, so it moves comparatively pretty fast. It would go from full to half full in a few hours.
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<p>I'm having a debate about how bright Martian nights would be, in terms of both the sky itself and ground illumination. <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/10220/mars-night-sky-how-many-stars-visible">This</a> answer seems to indicate that the stars would be only dimly visible, and wouldn't provide enough light to see by. However, the question remains of how much illumination the moons would provide. I've seen it said that Deimos would appear about as bright as Venus does from Earth, and that Phobos would be about twenty times brighter, but it's not clear to me how that compares to e.g. our own moon's illumination. So how bright would it look? Would it be enough to see by?</p>

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My guess would be no [based on this article from NASA](https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/28nov_venusshadows), but I don't have hard numbers to back it up. Hopefully someone smarter can use that as a starting point for an answer.
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Mars night sky -- Phobos and Deimos?
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# Mars night sky -- Phobos and Deimos?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-03-14)

I'm having a debate about how bright Martian nights would be, in terms of both the sky itself and ground illumination. [This](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/10220/mars-night-sky-how-many-stars-visible) answer seems to indicate that the stars would be only dimly visible, and wouldn't provide enough light to see by. However, the question remains of how much illumination the moons would provide. I've seen it said that Deimos would appear about as bright as Venus does from Earth, and that Phobos would be about twenty times brighter, but it's not clear to me how that compares to e.g. our own moon's illumination. So how bright would it look? Would it be enough to see by?

**Tags:** mars, night-sky, naked-eye, phobos
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: My guess would be no [based on this article from NASA](https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/28nov_venusshadows), but I don't have hard numbers to back it up. Hopefully someone smarter can use that as a starting point for an answer.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2018-03-15. Score: 7 | Accepted answer

Taking Mars' average distance from the sun of 1.52 AU, the sun would be 43% as bright.

Phobos has an [albedo of about 0.071](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_(moon)) which is pretty dark. Darker than the Moon with an average albedo of about 0.12, so it reflects about 59% as well as the Moon does. That gives it a brightness to area of just over 25% the brightness of the moon.

Phobos is an odd shape, about 27x22x18 km. Averaging that out to 22, then Phobos is 1/158 the diameter of the Moon, but it's closer to Mars' surface. about 5,986 km, that's about 63.5 times closer than the Moon is to the surface of the Earth.

Working out the numbers, the size of phobos in the Martian sky would be on average 63.5/158 or 40% the diameter, or 16% the size of Earth's Moon from Earth. Multiply that by 25% the brightness to area and that's just 4% the brightness of a full moon. That would be peak brightness (and if you want to fuss about Mars' Perihelion and say 5% the brightness of a full moon, fair enough, but lets not get ahead of ourselves).

Brightness of our Moon varies depending how good a reflector it's surface is, and how much of the surface is in shadow. The Moon is particularly cratered so [a half moon is significantly less than half as bright as a full moon](http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/weather/ct-wea-0404-asktom-20150403-column.html). Phobos is so close to Mars that from the surface of Phobos, Mars takes up about 40 degrees of arc in the sky. That casts a huge shadow, so there's no such thing, from Mars, as a full Phobos. As Phobos approaches full, it enters Mars' shadow and it's brightness drops significantly (whether it turns red like a blood moon or just vanishes - I'm not sure, perhaps that's best for another question). But Phobos never becomes full, it gets a bit over 3/4s, then it enters Mars' shadow.

"Enough to see" is a tough question, because sight depends on not just the light source but the reflectivity of your surroundings and there's some variation in how well individuals can see in the dark and, obviously, on how clear the night sky is on Mars on that particular night. *I think 3%-4% of the brightness of a 3/4 moon would be pushing the limit though and probably not bright enough to see for the most people*. **BUT** reading the comments, and reading the very cool Venus shadow article in the questions comments, my assumption might be wrong. Limited sight might/(should?) be possible with some recognition of shadows and shapes.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: I suspect a properly dark-adapted eye could see OK when Phobos is gibbous,  but don't have the scotopic data curves at hand at the moment.  
> **username_6**: Good answer; but I disagree with the last phrase. You would see alright, you just couldn't read. I've spent nights in the desert under a moonless sky and I had no problem walking around, picking up instruments from the car or table, even seeing people's facial expressions. The ground was visible enough to avoid obstacles. I think, the more time we spend in the city, the more we underestimate just how bright the night sky actually is. Phobos would add even more light to that. It would be more than enough to walk around unimpeded.  
> **username_6**: BTW, fun fact: the Moon has about the same albedo as an asphalt road. It's pretty dark.  
> **username_5**: @FlorinAndrei careful there - don't conflate "dark" with "nonreflective"  :-).  
> **username_6**: @CarlWitthoft It's fine to use the adjective "dark" when talking about colors and shades.  
> **username_7**: This might also help picture how they would look like in the Martian sky: https://www.space.com/28403-astronauts-mars-skywatching-phobos-deimos.html  
> **username_8**: Concerning the claim that "there's no such thing, from Mars, as a full Phobos": it is only true if looking from "the center" of Mars. But since Phobos's orbital radius is only 2 or 3 times the radius of Mars, phases of Phobos look different from different spots on Mars. Suppose that Phobos is about to enter Mars's shadow: this means that the line of sight from Phobos to the Sun is about to be obscured by Mars - in fact, by some specific spot of the Martian surface. If you then happened to be standing on that precise spot, you would see a Phobos phase indistinguishable in practice from "full".  
> **username_4**: @IliaSmilga  Good point, effectively at setting or rising, near the horizon.   I hadn't considered that.   It would be interesting to actually watch Phobos transition from full to less full, or full to in Mars shadow.    It orbits Mars every 7 hours and 40 minutes, so it moves comparatively pretty fast. It would go from full to half full in a few hours.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2022-12-10. Score: 1

Phobos's orbit is, like Mars' axis, inclined to Mars orbit by 25 degrees, so at greatest offset, I figure that Phobos is likely to be offset from the plane of Mars orbit by more than Mars' radius. Even at a periapsis distance of 9234km,
9234km\*sine(25 degrees)=3902 km
is more than Mars radius of 3390 km.
So in winter and summer, there should be full Phobos.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Sounds feasible. FWIW, you can plot the orbits of Phobos & Deimos around Mars in 3D using my script here: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/49823/16685 The body IDs are 499, 401 & 402.  

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