<p>What are the highest accuracy (and hence precision) orbital periods of Jupiter, Saturn and earth in units of days.
Note have Allen’s Astronomical Quant(Cox1991)/ Wolfram-α / Wikipedia / 3ea. don’t agree.</p>

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2023-10-03T00:34:06.753Z
Hi. It would be helpful to have links to all the references so that all the readers do not need to try to find them. Plus, there are different definitions of "orbital period", so that might be some of the discrepancies. If you can clarify which period you want, that would be helpful.
JohnHoltz
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2023-10-03T01:16:29.940Z
To be very precise, a planet’s orbital period is never the same from one orbit to the next, mostly because of gravitational interactions. I find Wikipedia and Wolfram Alpha to give the same values (though rounded for Wα), while Astrophysical Quantities (I have the 2002 edition) does give slightly different results; NASA’s Solar System Fact Sheet also differs slightly. The epoch of measurement would be important to know, as it can have an influence.
Pierre Paquette
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2023-10-03T05:17:54.357Z
FWIW, the JPL [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/) Body Data pages give Earth = 365.25636, Jupiter = 4332.589, Saturn = 10755.698 for the sidereal periods (in days of 86400 SI seconds). See https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/api/horizons.api?format=text&MAKE_EPHEM=NO&COMMAND=399 for the Earth page. OTOH, those pages are just for general info, & not intended for orbit calculations.
PM 2Ring
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2023-10-03T05:36:10.217Z
https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/40919/16685 has some good info about real orbits vs ideal Kepler orbits.
PM 2Ring
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2023-10-03T11:41:16.733Z
It also might be helpful to know why you want this information. For instance, if it's to compute relative positions at some tim 7m the past or future software or websites could be recommended, for more accurate results than hand calculations.
notovny
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2023-10-05T01:54:01.940Z
Thank you responders for your comments, all helpful  espcl. PM 2Ring re: NASA: Horizons am comparing results from several sources.
Joe Horwath
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2023-10-05T17:56:30.497Z
As John said, you need to tell us exactly which definition of orbital period you want. Options include the anomalistic period (the period between successive perihelion passages), and the sidereal period (the period relative to a frame defined by the stars, eg the ICRF). Horizons (& other ephemeris software) can be used to calculate these periods. Its data spans from 9999 BC to 9999 AD. The data for the planets themselves covers a smaller [time span](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/time_spans.html), but we can use planet system barycentres outside those intervals.
PM 2Ring
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2023-10-05T23:45:36.093Z
@JoeHorwath I see things differently. With n-body problems like solar systems there's really no such thing as actual, purely periodic motion. All these definitions of "period" are artificially constructed, but none of these are going to really be periodic. If one were to measure each of them for a million hears, "period" after "period", and plot them, they'd all have scatter from one "period" to the next. I think a good follow up question would be "Why is 'period' such a complicated thing to define for solar system objects, and why are there so many different definitions for period?"
uhoh
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2023-10-05T23:52:04.193Z
@JoeHorwath the reason we have numerically computed [ephemerides](https://english.stackexchange.com/q/370655/217285) (like the ones that [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/app.html#/) and [Skyfield](https://rhodesmill.org/skyfield/) provides access to) is because periodic models are not accurate because for gravity, everything pulls on everything. All we have is F=ma, or more accurately dp/dt = (ΣF)/m where ΣF is the sum of all forces on mass m. We have to integrate that equation for all bodies simultaneously to really know how they're going to move.
uhoh
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2023-10-05T23:59:46.183Z
for more on using dp/dt = F/m instead of a = F/m see [1](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/20423/12102), [2](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/39509/12102)
uhoh
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2023-10-06T01:10:08.973Z
@uhoh Sure, the period is variable on any n-body system for n>2, but Pierre already mention that. A mean period can still be useful, though.
PM 2Ring
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2023-10-06T02:12:19.830Z
@PM2Ring yep for sure etc. I'm just replying to the OP's comments here.
uhoh
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What are the orbital periods Jupiter, Saturn and earth?
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# What are the orbital periods Jupiter, Saturn and earth?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2023-10-03)

What are the highest accuracy (and hence precision) orbital periods of Jupiter, Saturn and earth in units of days.
Note have Allen’s Astronomical Quant(Cox1991)/ Wolfram-α / Wikipedia / 3ea. don’t agree.

**Tags:** jupiter, saturn, ephemeris, planetary-transits, period
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Hi. It would be helpful to have links to all the references so that all the readers do not need to try to find them. Plus, there are different definitions of "orbital period", so that might be some of the discrepancies. If you can clarify which period you want, that would be helpful.  
> **username_2**: To be very precise, a planet’s orbital period is never the same from one orbit to the next, mostly because of gravitational interactions. I find Wikipedia and Wolfram Alpha to give the same values (though rounded for Wα), while Astrophysical Quantities (I have the 2002 edition) does give slightly different results; NASA’s Solar System Fact Sheet also differs slightly. The epoch of measurement would be important to know, as it can have an influence.  
> **username_3**: FWIW, the JPL [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/) Body Data pages give Earth = 365.25636, Jupiter = 4332.589, Saturn = 10755.698 for the sidereal periods (in days of 86400 SI seconds). See https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/api/horizons.api?format=text&MAKE_EPHEM=NO&COMMAND=399 for the Earth page. OTOH, those pages are just for general info, & not intended for orbit calculations.  
> **username_3**: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/40919/16685 has some good info about real orbits vs ideal Kepler orbits.  
> **username_4**: It also might be helpful to know why you want this information. For instance, if it's to compute relative positions at some tim 7m the past or future software or websites could be recommended, for more accurate results than hand calculations.  
> **username_0**: Thank you responders for your comments, all helpful  espcl. PM 2Ring re: NASA: Horizons am comparing results from several sources.  
> **username_3**: As John said, you need to tell us exactly which definition of orbital period you want. Options include the anomalistic period (the period between successive perihelion passages), and the sidereal period (the period relative to a frame defined by the stars, eg the ICRF). Horizons (& other ephemeris software) can be used to calculate these periods. Its data spans from 9999 BC to 9999 AD. The data for the planets themselves covers a smaller [time span](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/time_spans.html), but we can use planet system barycentres outside those intervals.  
> **username_5**: @JoeHorwath I see things differently. With n-body problems like solar systems there's really no such thing as actual, purely periodic motion. All these definitions of "period" are artificially constructed, but none of these are going to really be periodic. If one were to measure each of them for a million hears, "period" after "period", and plot them, they'd all have scatter from one "period" to the next. I think a good follow up question would be "Why is 'period' such a complicated thing to define for solar system objects, and why are there so many different definitions for period?"  
> **username_5**: @JoeHorwath the reason we have numerically computed [ephemerides](https://english.stackexchange.com/q/370655/217285) (like the ones that [Horizons](https://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons/app.html#/) and [Skyfield](https://rhodesmill.org/skyfield/) provides access to) is because periodic models are not accurate because for gravity, everything pulls on everything. All we have is F=ma, or more accurately dp/dt = (ΣF)/m where ΣF is the sum of all forces on mass m. We have to integrate that equation for all bodies simultaneously to really know how they're going to move.  
> **username_5**: for more on using dp/dt = F/m instead of a = F/m see [1](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/20423/12102), [2](https://space.stackexchange.com/a/39509/12102)  
> **username_3**: @uhoh Sure, the period is variable on any n-body system for n>2, but Pierre already mention that. A mean period can still be useful, though.  
> **username_5**: @PM2Ring yep for sure etc. I'm just replying to the OP's comments here.  

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