<p>Whimsical question. Similarly, you could reason that someone on a planet far, far away would be holding up a mirror, such that we could see our own reflected past again.</p>

<p>Unfortunately, both options are practically infeasible, even if the light would be undistorted and redirected perfectly towards us. Remember that (1) Earth is small, (2) the reflected signal is weak as it is, (3) any object capable of reflecting this back towards us would be a black hole, the closest of which is further away than most known exoplanets, and the signal falls of with $r^{2}$ with $r$ twice (!) the distance to the object doing this lensing.</p>

<p>Now, <strong>if</strong> we somehow were able to observe it anyway, it would be straightforward enough to estimate the look back time - the distance to the lens would presumably be fairly well known. </p>

<p>How bright it would have to be is not really a sensible question - there are too many variables in play for that (which (hypothetical future) telescope are we using, what are the observing conditions, how far away is the source, what kind of source are we talking about...). And at the end of the day, the brightness of your source is not even the biggest problem; finding a suitable lens is. </p>

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<p>Specifically, I have often wondered whether gravitational lensing might be able to (theoretically) be used in order to see light reflecting off the Earth that has zoomed off into space and been bent by one object after another until it comes full circle back to Earth again. Given the distance the light would have travelled, could we not use this technique to peer back through time at our own planet?</p>

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<li>Is it reasonable that this could happen given the size of the universe and the mass and distribution of objects within it?</li>
<li>Given the restraints above, would be be able to estimate how far back in time we are looking?</li>
<li>Given the above, how bright would something have to be in order for its light to travel this distance and still be detectable?</li>
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The only thing that could send light directly back would be a black hole and that would mean a hyperbolic orbit for the light. The light path would go around to the back side and just skim the event horizon, then come back. The black hole would have to be close, way closer than any known black hole, because the signal would diminish by R^2 out, the R^2 again on the way back (=R^4). Quantum effects would undoubtedly scramble any signal too much for anything like imaging, or even just a disk.
Eubie Drew
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If you have some kind of enormous lens to focus the light into a mostly straight beam leaving earth then it wraps around a black hole or Neutron star, and then passes through another enormous lens to re-straighten the picture as it heads back to earth - you might might be able to pull it off, but because everything in space is always falling towards everything else, it would be an enormously difficult task, and you could never see into the past that way cause building it would only enable you to see things after it was set up, not before.
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I realize that I was thinking of one thing but communicated another - although I don't imagine that it makes much difference. ... I was actually thinking of some number of large mass objects each bending the light a fraction of a circle.  I'm glad you guys interpreted it differently though.    With LTK's idea, it reminds me of the movie 'Primer' in that you can travel back in time only so far as you have already prepared for it.
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Could the Earth use gravitational lensing / bending of light to see it's own bottom?
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# Could the Earth use gravitational lensing / bending of light to see it's own bottom?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-11-06)

Specifically, I have often wondered whether gravitational lensing might be able to (theoretically) be used in order to see light reflecting off the Earth that has zoomed off into space and been bent by one object after another until it comes full circle back to Earth again. Given the distance the light would have travelled, could we not use this technique to peer back through time at our own planet?

1. Is it reasonable that this could happen given the size of the universe and the mass and distribution of objects within it?
2. Given the restraints above, would be be able to estimate how far back in time we are looking?
3. Given the above, how bright would something have to be in order for its light to travel this distance and still be detectable?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The only thing that could send light directly back would be a black hole and that would mean a hyperbolic orbit for the light. The light path would go around to the back side and just skim the event horizon, then come back. The black hole would have to be close, way closer than any known black hole, because the signal would diminish by R^2 out, the R^2 again on the way back (=R^4). Quantum effects would undoubtedly scramble any signal too much for anything like imaging, or even just a disk.  
> **username_2**: If you have some kind of enormous lens to focus the light into a mostly straight beam leaving earth then it wraps around a black hole or Neutron star, and then passes through another enormous lens to re-straighten the picture as it heads back to earth - you might might be able to pull it off, but because everything in space is always falling towards everything else, it would be an enormously difficult task, and you could never see into the past that way cause building it would only enable you to see things after it was set up, not before.  
> **username_0**: I realize that I was thinking of one thing but communicated another - although I don't imagine that it makes much difference. ... I was actually thinking of some number of large mass objects each bending the light a fraction of a circle.  I'm glad you guys interpreted it differently though.    With LTK's idea, it reminds me of the movie 'Primer' in that you can travel back in time only so far as you have already prepared for it.  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2015-11-06. Score: 1 | Accepted answer

Whimsical question. Similarly, you could reason that someone on a planet far, far away would be holding up a mirror, such that we could see our own reflected past again.

Unfortunately, both options are practically infeasible, even if the light would be undistorted and redirected perfectly towards us. Remember that (1) Earth is small, (2) the reflected signal is weak as it is, (3) any object capable of reflecting this back towards us would be a black hole, the closest of which is further away than most known exoplanets, and the signal falls of with $r^{2}$ with $r$ twice (!) the distance to the object doing this lensing.

Now, **if** we somehow were able to observe it anyway, it would be straightforward enough to estimate the look back time - the distance to the lens would presumably be fairly well known.

How bright it would have to be is not really a sensible question - there are too many variables in play for that (which (hypothetical future) telescope are we using, what are the observing conditions, how far away is the source, what kind of source are we talking about...). And at the end of the day, the brightness of your source is not even the biggest problem; finding a suitable lens is.


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