<p>TL;DR: get a 2x Barlow first - it's cheaper than an eyepiece and can be used with both of your 1.25&quot; eyepieces.<br />
If it works well and fiddling about with eyepieces and the Barlow in the dark gets a bit annoying, then look at buying a dedicated eyepiece.</p>
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<p>A common wish when first looking at planets is to want to push the magnification as high as possible.</p>
<p>Many people, after getting their first telescope, have gone and bought an eyepiece which gives the maximum possible magnification, given the aperture of their telescope. Then, having tried it, they've come away disappointed with the blurry result they get.</p>
<p>This is because there are several factors conspiring against them:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>The &quot;resolving power&quot; of the telescope. There are two formulae which give similar results: the Dawes Limit and the Rayleigh Limit.<br />
The former can be calculated by dividing 116 by the aperture of the telescope in mm, and the latter by dividing 138 by the aperture in mm.<br />
The result is the maximum resolution in arc seconds.</p>
</li>
<li><p>The quality of the &quot;seeing&quot; - how steady is the atmosphere and how much of it is there between you and the planet. If you're looking straight up then there's a lot less atmosphere getting in the way than if you're looking closer to the horizon. Also, if you're up on top of a mountain then you'll have better seeing than if you're down at sea level.<br />
A good website which tells you what the seeing is like is <a href="https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/outdoorsports/seeing/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">meteoblue</a>. This value is also in arc seconds.</p>
</li>
<li><p>The local conditions: concrete and tarmac will absorb heat from the sun throughout the day, and then release that heat at night. The heat will affect the air when you look through it, causing the view to shimmer.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>So, to answer your question:<br />
A good first eyepiece to get is not an eyepiece but a 2x Barlow lens. You can use this with your existing eyepieces and it'll have the effect of doubling their magnification.<br />
Therefore, given you have eyepieces of 25mm and 10mm, adding a 2x Barlow will effectively give you two more eyepieces, of 12.5mm and 5mm.</p>
<p>After trying the 10mm eyepiece with 2x Barlow, you might find that the views are always crisp and never blurry, and you might want to try a 4mm.<br />
(One trick with a Barlow is you can pull the eyepiece out a tiny bit to increase the magnification even further)</p>
<p>On the other hand, you might find that it's impossible to properly focus with that combination, and you'll need to ease off a bit on the magnification.<br />
If that's the case, then (depending on the Barlow lens you buy) you might be able to unscrew the lens from the bottom of the Barlow and screw it into the bottom of your eyepiece, giving something like a 1.25x increase in magnification.<br />
Otherwise you might want to buy an eyepiece of around 14mm, in order to use it with the 2x Barlow to get an effective 7mm.</p>
<p>Once you've played around a bit with the combinations and come to know the capabilities of your telescope a bit better, then you may want to buy a dedicated eyepiece of a focal length that you know will work well for <em>you</em>, with <em>your</em> telescope, at <em>your</em> viewing location, under normal viewing conditions.</p>
<hr />
<p><sub>The shortest focal length eyepiece that I have is only 3.3mm, and as such can only be used a handful of times per year - when all the factors coincide. It probably wasn't a very good use of my money. But when all the factors <em>do</em> coincide, it's given me the most amazing views of Jupiter and Saturn that I've ever seen!</sub></p>

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Thank you! So I probably shouldn't get a 3x Barlow lens, right?
Slipstream2022
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@Slipstream2022 I personally only own a 3x Barlow. The one I have is the Orion Tri-Mag, and the lens can be unscrewed from the tube and screwed onto the bottom of an eyepiece to give around 2x, which makes it more versatile.
Aaron F
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@Slipstream2022 also, this is a useful calculator to give you a general idea of what you should expect to see: http://astronomy.tools/calculators/field_of_view/
Aaron F
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Even with the 2x Barlow, Jupiter and Saturn look quite tiny in the calculator you mentioned. Perhaps I should get a 3x Barlow as well. And what brand would you suggest for Barlow? If I'm only getting the 2x, I'm looking for something around $50.
Slipstream2022
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If I'm getting a 2x and a 3x, I'm hoping that each one is around 25 dollars or less. I can stretch the 50 dollar budget a bit.
Slipstream2022
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@Slipstream2022 I recommend the one I have - Orion Tri-Mag - with it you get 3x and 2x for the price of one
Aaron F
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How do you get both? Is it some deal on the website? The Tri-Mag only seems to be sold individually.
Slipstream2022
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@Slipstream2022 sorry, I wasn't explaining very well. The Tri-Mag consists of a lens and a tube. The lens is screwed into the bottom of the tube. You put an eyepiece in the top and the result is a 3x magnification. If you unscrew the lens from the bottom of the tube, and then screw the lens into the bottom of an eyepiece, then the distance between the lens and the eyepiece is reduced and the resulting magnification is also reduced, to about 2x. Therefore, you buy one thing, but can get two levels of magnification from it.
Aaron F
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Oh, I see! Thank you so much! I think I'll go with that.
Slipstream2022
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Aaron F
<p>I have an Astronomers Without Borders telescope with 650 mm focal length and 130 mm aperture. To go with them, I have a 10 mm and wide eye relief 25 mm eyepiece.</p>
<p>I tried to view Jupiter with the 10 mm, but all it appears to be is a small white dot, as if it is a star; its moons are even smaller pinpricks. Answers to <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/46612/7982">Choosing an eyepiece for planet viewing</a> seems to suggest that the telescope I have is good enough to see quite a bit of detail--including Jupiter's bands and colors--and that something is wrong with my stargazing (collimation, viewing conditions, or problems with the telescope/eyepiece itself).</p>
<p>I'm considering getting a 4 and 6 mm eyepiece as well.</p>
<p>What should I consider in order to decide which eyepiece focal length <em>and type/design</em> to get next?</p>

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@uhoh Thank you for the help! But--I'm not new to Stack Exchange. This is just another account that I'm using because it's more convenient at the moment.
Slipstream2022
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Get a 2x Barlow lens. If you get good results with your 10mm + 2x Barlow then you might consider buying a dedicated 5mm eyepiece.
Aaron F
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@AaronF Thank you! You could consider making it an answer.
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Next eyepiece for my telescope; how do decide which one to get?
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# Next eyepiece for my telescope; how do decide which one to get?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-01-13)

I have an Astronomers Without Borders telescope with 650 mm focal length and 130 mm aperture. To go with them, I have a 10 mm and wide eye relief 25 mm eyepiece.

I tried to view Jupiter with the 10 mm, but all it appears to be is a small white dot, as if it is a star; its moons are even smaller pinpricks. Answers to [Choosing an eyepiece for planet viewing](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/46612/7982) seems to suggest that the telescope I have is good enough to see quite a bit of detail--including Jupiter's bands and colors--and that something is wrong with my stargazing (collimation, viewing conditions, or problems with the telescope/eyepiece itself).

I'm considering getting a 4 and 6 mm eyepiece as well.

What should I consider in order to decide which eyepiece focal length *and type/design* to get next?

**Tags:** observational-astronomy, amateur-observing, eyepiece
> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: @uhoh Thank you for the help! But--I'm not new to Stack Exchange. This is just another account that I'm using because it's more convenient at the moment.  
> **username_1**: Get a 2x Barlow lens. If you get good results with your 10mm + 2x Barlow then you might consider buying a dedicated 5mm eyepiece.  
> **username_0**: @AaronF Thank you! You could consider making it an answer.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2022-01-20. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

TL;DR: get a 2x Barlow first - it's cheaper than an eyepiece and can be used with both of your 1.25" eyepieces.  
If it works well and fiddling about with eyepieces and the Barlow in the dark gets a bit annoying, then look at buying a dedicated eyepiece.

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A common wish when first looking at planets is to want to push the magnification as high as possible.

Many people, after getting their first telescope, have gone and bought an eyepiece which gives the maximum possible magnification, given the aperture of their telescope. Then, having tried it, they've come away disappointed with the blurry result they get.

This is because there are several factors conspiring against them:

1. The "resolving power" of the telescope. There are two formulae which give similar results: the Dawes Limit and the Rayleigh Limit.  
   The former can be calculated by dividing 116 by the aperture of the telescope in mm, and the latter by dividing 138 by the aperture in mm.  
   The result is the maximum resolution in arc seconds.
2. The quality of the "seeing" - how steady is the atmosphere and how much of it is there between you and the planet. If you're looking straight up then there's a lot less atmosphere getting in the way than if you're looking closer to the horizon. Also, if you're up on top of a mountain then you'll have better seeing than if you're down at sea level.  
   A good website which tells you what the seeing is like is [meteoblue](https://www.meteoblue.com/en/weather/outdoorsports/seeing/). This value is also in arc seconds.
3. The local conditions: concrete and tarmac will absorb heat from the sun throughout the day, and then release that heat at night. The heat will affect the air when you look through it, causing the view to shimmer.

So, to answer your question:  
A good first eyepiece to get is not an eyepiece but a 2x Barlow lens. You can use this with your existing eyepieces and it'll have the effect of doubling their magnification.  
Therefore, given you have eyepieces of 25mm and 10mm, adding a 2x Barlow will effectively give you two more eyepieces, of 12.5mm and 5mm.

After trying the 10mm eyepiece with 2x Barlow, you might find that the views are always crisp and never blurry, and you might want to try a 4mm.  
(One trick with a Barlow is you can pull the eyepiece out a tiny bit to increase the magnification even further)

On the other hand, you might find that it's impossible to properly focus with that combination, and you'll need to ease off a bit on the magnification.  
If that's the case, then (depending on the Barlow lens you buy) you might be able to unscrew the lens from the bottom of the Barlow and screw it into the bottom of your eyepiece, giving something like a 1.25x increase in magnification.  
Otherwise you might want to buy an eyepiece of around 14mm, in order to use it with the 2x Barlow to get an effective 7mm.

Once you've played around a bit with the combinations and come to know the capabilities of your telescope a bit better, then you may want to buy a dedicated eyepiece of a focal length that you know will work well for *you*, with *your* telescope, at *your* viewing location, under normal viewing conditions.

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The shortest focal length eyepiece that I have is only 3.3mm, and as such can only be used a handful of times per year - when all the factors coincide. It probably wasn't a very good use of my money. But when all the factors *do* coincide, it's given me the most amazing views of Jupiter and Saturn that I've ever seen!

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thank you! So I probably shouldn't get a 3x Barlow lens, right?  
> **username_1**: @Slipstream2022 I personally only own a 3x Barlow. The one I have is the Orion Tri-Mag, and the lens can be unscrewed from the tube and screwed onto the bottom of an eyepiece to give around 2x, which makes it more versatile.  
> **username_1**: @Slipstream2022 also, this is a useful calculator to give you a general idea of what you should expect to see: http://astronomy.tools/calculators/field_of_view/  
> **username_0**: Even with the 2x Barlow, Jupiter and Saturn look quite tiny in the calculator you mentioned. Perhaps I should get a 3x Barlow as well. And what brand would you suggest for Barlow? If I'm only getting the 2x, I'm looking for something around $50.  
> **username_0**: If I'm getting a 2x and a 3x, I'm hoping that each one is around 25 dollars or less. I can stretch the 50 dollar budget a bit.  
> **username_1**: @Slipstream2022 I recommend the one I have - Orion Tri-Mag - with it you get 3x and 2x for the price of one  
> **username_0**: How do you get both? Is it some deal on the website? The Tri-Mag only seems to be sold individually.  
> **username_1**: @Slipstream2022 sorry, I wasn't explaining very well. The Tri-Mag consists of a lens and a tube. The lens is screwed into the bottom of the tube. You put an eyepiece in the top and the result is a 3x magnification. If you unscrew the lens from the bottom of the tube, and then screw the lens into the bottom of an eyepiece, then the distance between the lens and the eyepiece is reduced and the resulting magnification is also reduced, to about 2x. Therefore, you buy one thing, but can get two levels of magnification from it.  
> **username_0**: Oh, I see! Thank you so much! I think I'll go with that.  

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