<p>I'd ask the test author to provide an example of an object that would be improperly defined as a moon in the typical answer (&quot;A satellite of a planet&quot;) that would properly be defined as not a moon in the model answer (&quot;A satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it&quot;). If they can't produce an example, then the emphasized portion of the model answer is irrelevant (adds no value).</p>
<p>The only examples I can think of are the rare artificial satellites that use laser communication links. There are no perfect blackbody satellites that don't reflect any light.</p>
<p>The model answer includes all the other artificial satellites in planetary orbits. These certainly aren't moons, so the model answer is very flawed.</p>
<p>From the Keck Observatory page: <a href="https://www.keckobservatory.org/jupiter-moons-auroras/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">New Aurorae Detected On Jupiter’s Four Largest Moons</a></p>
<blockquote>
<p>Astronomers using W. M. Keck Observatory on Maunakea in Hawaiʻi have
discovered that aurorae at visible wavelengths appear on all 4 major
moons of Jupiter: Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto.</p>
</blockquote>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/UDaLM.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/UDaLM.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p>Here is an artist's rendition from the same website (Credit Julie Inglis). <strong>Hence, the model answer excludes Jupiter's major moons since they do produce light.</strong></p>
<p>This can easily be fixed by adding one word to the typical answer: <strong>&quot;A <em>natural</em> satellite of a planet&quot;</strong>, which I think is deserving of full marks.  I wouldn't give full marks for <strong>&quot;A satellite of a planet&quot;</strong> since it doesn't exclude artificial satellites.</p>
<p><strong>Note:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li><p>My definition above unfortunately includes planetary rings, but there isn't really a lower boundary for the size of an object to call it a moon. Objects in planetary rings are sometimes called moonlets.</p>
</li>
<li><p>We could also argue about asteroid satellites (sometimes called moons and sometimes called moonlets). And what would we call a satellite around a blanet (which is a planetary equivalent orbiting a black hole)? These questions might be too advanced for the 5th grade.</p>
</li>
</ol>

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Since _moon_ just means _satellite_, albeit usually in the context of a rocky body orbiting a planet in a solar system, you could even say that the addition makes the answer false since you can have stars which are satellites of other stars and galaxies which are satellites of other galaxies. Granted, you wouldn't call either _moons_, but they are _satellites_ so if _moon_ is defined as _satellite_, then the requirement that it not generate its own light is even more wrong.
terdon
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It would probably be good to also mention that there can be moons of "minor planets", given that there's an official definition for "planet" which excludes bodies in our solar system which have natural satellites which we call moons.
Makyen
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a star satellite of a star and a galaxy satellite of a galaxy both fail both definitions "a satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it" and "a satellite of a planet". So the extra portion is still irrelevant. Likewise, the minor planet thing is irrelevant since the "correct" answer also specifies a planet.
cowlinator
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@Makyen While your comment is true, I think it might get too far in the weeds for the 5th grade. I'd also give full marks to "A natural satellite in orbit around something other than a star or black hole."
Connor Garcia
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The question asks for the definition of a moon, not the criteria for something to be considered a moon. These are two completely different questions. Definitions are not, and are not intended to be, precise rules of inclusion or exclusion. You can't determine if a hamburger is really a sandwich by checking the definition of sandwich.
David Schwartz
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Regarding rings: Is there a requirement for a moon that it must have cleared its orbit from other bodies, as there is for planets? That would make intuitive sense to me (and delineate it nicely from rings and other unorderly things ;-) ).
Peter - Reinstate Monica
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@DavidSchwartz Counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet
Connor Garcia
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@Peter-ReinstateMonica As far as I know, there is no such similar requirement for moons. The IAU hasn't given an official definition for moons.
Connor Garcia
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@terdon: You're playing fast and loose with your definitions here. (1) Moon does not _mean_ satellite, they're not synonyms. All moons _are_ satellites, but not all satellites are moons. In the same sense, you wouldn't say "apple means fruit", even though all apples are fruit. (2) The question is not asking what a satellite is (which would include all the examples you give), the question is _what a moon is_ (which your examples are unrelated to, as they are not moons). It seems that your comment is based on a false equivalence that treats "A ∈ B" and "B ∈ A" interchangeably.
Flater
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@terdon: _"...but they are satellites so if moon is defined as satellite, then the ..."_ You're confusing the content here, which is easier to spot when you substitute the nouns. Consider this: (Question) "What is a strawberry?" (Answer) "It is a fruit which is red" (Your comment) "Some fruit is yellow, such as bananas. Granted, you wouldn't call them strawberries, but they are fruit. So if strawberries are fruit, then the requirement that they're red is even more wrong" The existence of a yellow banana, which is a fruit, does not invalidate the claim that a strawberry is a red fruit.
Flater
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There are stars so large that they have stars as satellites. Perhaps that's why it's written the way it is, though I would have left it off all the same.
Joshua
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@ConnorGarcia That's a good example of my point. It is *very* clear that this is not a definition, but a *formal* definition, which is a completely different thing. In fact, it is very clear that this is *not* a normal definition because, among other things, it doesn't apply outside the solar system. It is explicitly a rule of inclusion/exclusion for a particular subset of candidate objects.
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Connor Garcia
<p>Is this a test of science or of Suomi (or English)?</p>
<p>In English, a moon is a natural satellite of a planet, dwarf planet, or asteroid.</p>
<p>In Suomi, <em>Yleisnimenä kuu on planeetan, kääpiöplaneetan tai pienkappaleen luonnollinen kiertolainen, eli satelliitti</em></p>
<p>And the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Astronomical_Union" rel="nofollow noreferrer">IAU</a> has not published a definition of <em>Moon</em> to mirror the definition of &quot;Planet&quot;. So there is no technical definition.</p>
<p>In general scientific usage,
the model answer is wrong to limit &quot;moon&quot; only to satellites of planets, and it is wrong not to limit the meaning of moon to <em>natural</em> bodies.  It is odd to mention the thing about &quot;not giving off light&quot;.  It is true for every moon (at least in the visible part of the spectrum, the Moon does glow gently in the infrared), but it is probably wrong at least in theory.  It is possible to imagine a young planet with a moon that is still red hot with the heat of its formation (not a common scenario but conceivable).</p>
<p>But hey! It's a test for 10-year-olds...This isn't most badly worded question that I've seen on a test for elementary school pupils.</p>
<p>Here is how it happens.  The teacher is focused on <em>misconceptions</em>. In contrast to the sun, there are two differences that may give rise to a misconception. 1) That the moon and sun both go round the Earth. 2) The moon and sun both shine with their own light.  So the teacher has taught that these are the differences between &quot;sun&quot; and &quot;moon&quot;, and has tried to write a question which will enable the pupils to demonstrate that they understand the differences between moon and sun.  Unfortunately the teacher has misphrased the question.</p>

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Or a moon made of phosphorous. :)
Barmar
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A moon with no atmosphere made of phosphorous would not glow. If it did have an oxygen atmosphere... it wouldn't for long.
cowlinator
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Can hot juipiters have moons?  If so they could be hot enough to stay molten and glowing indefinitely.
Dan Is Fiddling By Firelight
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@cowlinator: Perhaps he meant [phosphorescence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence)?
Peter Mortensen
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The two misconceptions don't read as misconceptions; they read as fact. Perhaps rephrase?
Peter Mortensen
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Must it be natural? Consider [Operation Moonwatch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch).
John Doty
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Yes, in modern terminology it must be natural.  Shortly after sputnik, some people referred to them as "moons" but that didn't catch on, and now "moon" means exclusively "natural satellite"
James K
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James K
<p>I, unlike the other answerers, read the model answer to be saying that the planet rather than the satellite does not produce light.  I think the point of this is to avoid having the planets be moons because they are satellites of the sun.</p>

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Could be. But then planets produce light: my desk lamp next to the window is ruining it for Earth, Jupiter's got lightning storms. It makes more sense to define a moon as not orbiting a star.
user71659
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Presumably in this case the model answer should read "A satellite of a *body* that doesn't produce light itself ..."
Allure
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Thanks for pointing this out. I used ChatGPT for translating the answer from Finnish to English, and I didn't notice this before posting the question. However, the Finnish version was exact.
tputkonen
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I see that the planet, not the satellite being the body which doesn't produce light itself wouldn't be an unreasonable conclusion in ordinary English but how little idea of astronomy would be needed to negate that?

If you're working on that level of detail, don't you think the idea should be rather that the body 'doesn't itself produce light'?

Isn't it clear that 'doesn't itself produce…' refers to the body while 'doesn't produce light itself…' refers to the stuff (here, light itself) produced?
Robbie Goodwin
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@PM2Ring Really? What is there to that Comment, but that Comment itself? In any case, why did you address that to me?
Robbie Goodwin
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Ross Millikan
<p>I think you are correct, because there are practically no moons that emit light (in the visible spectra), because in order for light to be emitted, electron excitation has to occur (when atom electron jumps to higher level), regardless of its radiation type, unless it is conversion of energy.</p>
<p>In space, naturally only a few types of radiation can occur, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation" rel="nofollow noreferrer">black-body/thermal radiation</a> (like, in stars or <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Jupiter" rel="nofollow noreferrer">hot Jupiters</a>), or sometimes when an electric current passes through the atmosphere which excites the electrons.</p>
<p>Natural satellites are usually not that excited and active, because they don't have sufficient mass and core size for black-body radiation, and only <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray" rel="nofollow noreferrer">cosmic rays</a> cause electron excitations otherwise. Overall, most of the moons are not giving off light in visible wavelength; the only difference this can make is probably between a protomoon and a moon. When it is a protomoon it is usually sort of a little hot, having sufficient heat to emit visible light.</p>
<p>According to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien_approximation" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Wien's law</a>: At maximum the wavelength that is in the visible wavelength (emphasis because moons, like our moon, themselves emit in the lower spectra), it requires a minimum temperature of 4140 kelvins (with exceptions. Note: This is peak wavelength), which a moon can only have if it is either to close to its planet that tidal heat is generated, or its host planet is too close to the host star, or it is newborn, or a protomoon.</p>
<p>So, although the definition is not such important because it is in most of the bodies by default, but it can differentiate between emitted light and reflected light, and mostly because this is the agreed and popular definition by <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Anaxagoras</a>, a Greek philosopher in 500 BC, which he later proved by studying lunar eclipses.</p>

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I don't see any reason it couldn't be produced from a chemical or nuclear reaction.
user2617804
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Arjun
<p>I'm not 100% sure, but according to me, some moons of Jupiter get so &quot;massaged&quot; by Jupiter's gravity that this adds enormous amounts of energy to those moons, causing phenomena which might cause emitting electromagnetic radiation. In particular Io: that moon has so much volcanic eruptions that I can't believe none of the electromagnetic radiation being visible light.</p>
<p>So, as I believe having found at least one counter-example (without even needing to get out of our own solar system), I believe that extra condition on that &quot;definition&quot; being wrong.</p>

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Dominique
<p>The second part (distinction about reflecting light) is vital to our understanding of <em>our</em> moon and therefore <em>all</em> moons.</p>
<p>Students should already be familiar with other forms of objects that orbit Earth such as artificial satellites, these they would be aware of, but not be able to see or recognize in the sky with their naked eyes.</p>
<ul>
<li>At that age level, because these satellites look no different to stars in most cases, if/when they see them, they will assume that they are stars, reinforcing that you cannot see these artificial satellites.</li>
</ul>
<p>So they are aware that there are many satellites, but not <em>all</em> satellites are moons. Students can only visually identify one of Earth's satellites (our moon), and would reasonably offer that the only reason we can see it is because it is reflecting the light of the sun.</p>
<p>Students at this level will be aware that the Sun (Sol) is itself a <em>Star</em>, and that the only reason the sun looks so big to us compared to other stars is due to our close proximity to it.</p>
<p>The reason that emission vs reflection of light is important is that of the visible bodies in our sky, only stars (including our Sun) produce or emit light and only moons reflect that light.</p>
<ul>
<li>Reflection of light is perhaps the most important aspect of the moon that they would have covered in the syllabus so far, it is the requisite understanding to explain the phases of the moon as well as the most intriguing aspect, eclipses of the moon and sun. It is reasonable to assume that there would have been a lot of discussion about reflection versus emission of light, especially when trying to explain the difference between a solar and lunar eclipse.</li>
</ul>
<p>If such discussions have not been held prior to the exam, I would suggest that the delivery of the curriculum prior to the exam was not sufficient, especially as the general model and broad definitions should have been clearly outlined to educators before the syllabus was prepared.</p>
<p>For lower levels I would still expect them to be aware of this but might not put it in the exam. For 5th grade, this is a great entrance exam question because it would properly gauge the depth of understanding at the start of the year, by the end I would absolutely expect students to understand the concept of the moon reflecting light and use it when defining what a moon <em>is</em>. Think about it, if you ignore the gravitational effects on the Earth, before 4th/fifth grade, all our moon does is reflect light.</p>
<hr />
<p>In other answers there is talk about a distinction between <em>natural</em> and <em>artificial</em>. For the year level, it is acceptable to omit <em>natural</em> from the definition of satellite as apart from Earth and our influence on the Solar system, so far <em>all</em> identified satellites are naturally occurring.</p>
<p>It is also acceptable to use the phrase <em>satellite of a planet</em> in place of the more technically correct <em>astronomical body that orbits a planet</em> as those concepts are probably a bit too abstract at that level.</p>

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But why would light be in any way relevant? At best, it is misleading since it gives importance to something that isn't in any way relevant to the definition of moon or satellite, and at worst it is flat out wrong since _satellite_ (albeit, not _moon_) can and is used to describe both stars orbiting other stars and galaxies orbiting other galaxies.
terdon
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"Students can only visually identify one of Earth's satellites (our moon)" This statement is not correct, many elementary students can identify artificial satellites such as the international space station. They appear to glow like stars but move quickly across the sky.
Connor Garcia
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Chris Schaller
<p>In a 5th-grade exam (for 10-11-year-old pupils in Finland), there was a question, &quot;What is a moon?&quot; The model answer was: &quot;A satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it.&quot; Most pupils answered simply &quot;A satellite of a planet&quot; and received half the points, which is also what I would have answered!</p>
<p>To my understanding, planets don't have satellites that are stars (i.e., ones that produce light themselves) or ones that don't reflect any light (like black holes?). Therefore, I don't see why the second part of the answer is relevant.</p>
<p>I am looking for arguments to correct the evaluation.</p>

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As with any exam question, context of the teaching style in the classroom is very relevant. Although you ask for arguments to correct the evaluation, the grading might not be an astronomy issue at all. Perhaps the teacher has kept emphasizing in class to the students that explaining the property of an object is crucial, and has done previous repeated quizzes that emphasize this property of a moon. Also, you wrote "most pupils", so there are pupils who include the 2nd? In short, the second part may very well be redundant astronomy-wise, but may still be required to get the full point exam-wise.
justhalf
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I've found an answer suitable for 10 year-olds here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk&t=121s
non-user38741
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This sounds like a test format that just expects kids to regurgitate whatever definition they got during class more than anything actually about science.
eps
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@justhalf both the exam and its model answers came from the organization which provides also the study material. So some pupils did include the emphasized part as well, as it was mentioned in the material. However I don't think this is something that the exam should test - you should be able to get perfect score with the correct knowledge without ever seeings the material.
tputkonen
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2023-11-01T05:29:03.227Z
You might be interested: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/27016/what-exactly-is-a-moon
Allure
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@tputkonen I agree with you there in principle, that exams should actually test your knowledge of the subject, unburdened by exam quirks. Like I said, it's not an astronomy issue, but exam issue. (But this doesn't mean your question is out of topic here. Asking whether there is a satellite of a planet that produces light is a perfectly valid astronomy question. Whether this will enable you to argue for a full point on the exam is a completely different matter.)
justhalf
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We haven't detected any (yet), but it could be perfectly possible that a very small black hole orbits a planet. So the requisite of reflecting light is wrong. I think the test should focus more in 1) The satellite having to be natural and 2) The satellite having to be much smaller than the planet so actually orbits it.
Cincinnatus
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It seems to me like it's partly what the user eps said in the comment above, and partly because there is an assumption that a number of kids will think that the moon shines its own light, so the definition tries to preempt that (how common that misconception actually is today I'm not sure).
Filip Milovanović
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The additional bit is certainly owed to the fact that the Earth's Moon (and likely many others) is the second-brightest object in the sky by a large margin, and one of the essential learning goals of that educational segment was to understand that its birghtness is only from reflected sunlight. It's a bit like answering "what is a free-falling body in vacuum" with "an unpropelled object which changes its velocity only through gravitational forces". The second part is fully implied by the first, but it is unintuitive to many (who think a cannonball continues acceleration) and must be learned.
Peter - Reinstate Monica
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@tputkonen *you should be able to get perfect score with the correct knowledge without ever seeings the material* This is unfortunately an ideal that's not easy to meet in practice. For example, it's indeed the case that moons emit light - they just do it in a wavelength that human eyes cannot see (blackbody radiation). If someone were to actually write that, to grade it appropriately, one would need to know what exactly was taught.
Allure
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2023-11-02T08:32:53.150Z
Could it be trying to make the (awful!) point, that in a 1-sun-1-planet system, you can just-about technincally (but wildly unhelpfully) describe the sun as orbitting the planet?
Brondahl
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2023-11-02T08:35:02.117Z
(In the sense that neither object is truly orbitting around the other ... but around their shared barycentre)
Brondahl
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2023-11-19T08:13:47.413Z
At 10 years old, the concept of a definition is not an easy one. Most children view things holistically. For instance, a parallelogram is not "a quadrilateral whose opposing sides are parallel", but "a quadrilateral whose opposing sides are parallel, whose opposing sides are of equal length, and whose opposing angles are equal". They have trouble disentangling defining qualities with "coincident" ones, and to them, a word is not specified by a minimal definition, but by a holistic description. And it's fine for educators to teach at this level of understanding, at least starting out.
Vercassivelaunos
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Definition of a moon in an exam: "A satellite of a planet that *doesn't produce light itself but reflects it*" - is there relevance for the emphasis?
tputkonen
# Definition of a moon in an exam: "A satellite of a planet that *doesn't produce light itself but reflects it*" - is there relevance for the emphasis?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2023-10-30)

In a 5th-grade exam (for 10-11-year-old pupils in Finland), there was a question, "What is a moon?" The model answer was: "A satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it." Most pupils answered simply "A satellite of a planet" and received half the points, which is also what I would have answered!

To my understanding, planets don't have satellites that are stars (i.e., ones that produce light themselves) or ones that don't reflect any light (like black holes?). Therefore, I don't see why the second part of the answer is relevant.

I am looking for arguments to correct the evaluation.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: As with any exam question, context of the teaching style in the classroom is very relevant. Although you ask for arguments to correct the evaluation, the grading might not be an astronomy issue at all. Perhaps the teacher has kept emphasizing in class to the students that explaining the property of an object is crucial, and has done previous repeated quizzes that emphasize this property of a moon. Also, you wrote "most pupils", so there are pupils who include the 2nd? In short, the second part may very well be redundant astronomy-wise, but may still be required to get the full point exam-wise.  
> **username_2**: I've found an answer suitable for 10 year-olds here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moSFlvxnbgk&t=121s  
> **username_3**: This sounds like a test format that just expects kids to regurgitate whatever definition they got during class more than anything actually about science.  
> **username_0**: @justhalf both the exam and its model answers came from the organization which provides also the study material. So some pupils did include the emphasized part as well, as it was mentioned in the material. However I don't think this is something that the exam should test - you should be able to get perfect score with the correct knowledge without ever seeings the material.  
> **username_4**: You might be interested: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/27016/what-exactly-is-a-moon  
> **username_1**: @tputkonen I agree with you there in principle, that exams should actually test your knowledge of the subject, unburdened by exam quirks. Like I said, it's not an astronomy issue, but exam issue. (But this doesn't mean your question is out of topic here. Asking whether there is a satellite of a planet that produces light is a perfectly valid astronomy question. Whether this will enable you to argue for a full point on the exam is a completely different matter.)  
> **username_5**: We haven't detected any (yet), but it could be perfectly possible that a very small black hole orbits a planet. So the requisite of reflecting light is wrong. I think the test should focus more in 1) The satellite having to be natural and 2) The satellite having to be much smaller than the planet so actually orbits it.  
> **username_6**: It seems to me like it's partly what the user eps said in the comment above, and partly because there is an assumption that a number of kids will think that the moon shines its own light, so the definition tries to preempt that (how common that misconception actually is today I'm not sure).  
> **username_7**: The additional bit is certainly owed to the fact that the Earth's Moon (and likely many others) is the second-brightest object in the sky by a large margin, and one of the essential learning goals of that educational segment was to understand that its birghtness is only from reflected sunlight. It's a bit like answering "what is a free-falling body in vacuum" with "an unpropelled object which changes its velocity only through gravitational forces". The second part is fully implied by the first, but it is unintuitive to many (who think a cannonball continues acceleration) and must be learned.  
> **username_4**: @tputkonen *you should be able to get perfect score with the correct knowledge without ever seeings the material* This is unfortunately an ideal that's not easy to meet in practice. For example, it's indeed the case that moons emit light - they just do it in a wavelength that human eyes cannot see (blackbody radiation). If someone were to actually write that, to grade it appropriately, one would need to know what exactly was taught.  
> **username_8**: Could it be trying to make the (awful!) point, that in a 1-sun-1-planet system, you can just-about technincally (but wildly unhelpfully) describe the sun as orbitting the planet?  
> **username_8**: (In the sense that neither object is truly orbitting around the other ... but around their shared barycentre)  
> **username_9**: At 10 years old, the concept of a definition is not an easy one. Most children view things holistically. For instance, a parallelogram is not "a quadrilateral whose opposing sides are parallel", but "a quadrilateral whose opposing sides are parallel, whose opposing sides are of equal length, and whose opposing angles are equal". They have trouble disentangling defining qualities with "coincident" ones, and to them, a word is not specified by a minimal definition, but by a holistic description. And it's fine for educators to teach at this level of understanding, at least starting out.  

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## 6 answers

### Answer by username_10 on 2023-10-30. Score: 33

I'd ask the test author to provide an example of an object that would be improperly defined as a moon in the typical answer ("A satellite of a planet") that would properly be defined as not a moon in the model answer ("A satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it"). If they can't produce an example, then the emphasized portion of the model answer is irrelevant (adds no value).

The only examples I can think of are the rare artificial satellites that use laser communication links. There are no perfect blackbody satellites that don't reflect any light.

The model answer includes all the other artificial satellites in planetary orbits. These certainly aren't moons, so the model answer is very flawed.

From the Keck Observatory page: [New Aurorae Detected On Jupiter’s Four Largest Moons](https://www.keckobservatory.org/jupiter-moons-auroras/)

> Astronomers using W. M. Keck Observatory on Maunakea in Hawaiʻi have
> discovered that aurorae at visible wavelengths appear on all 4 major
> moons of Jupiter: Io, Europa, Ganymede, and Callisto.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/UDaLM.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/UDaLM.png)

Here is an artist's rendition from the same website (Credit Julie Inglis). **Hence, the model answer excludes Jupiter's major moons since they do produce light.**

This can easily be fixed by adding one word to the typical answer: **"A *natural* satellite of a planet"**, which I think is deserving of full marks. I wouldn't give full marks for **"A satellite of a planet"** since it doesn't exclude artificial satellites.

**Note:**

1. My definition above unfortunately includes planetary rings, but there isn't really a lower boundary for the size of an object to call it a moon. Objects in planetary rings are sometimes called moonlets.
2. We could also argue about asteroid satellites (sometimes called moons and sometimes called moonlets). And what would we call a satellite around a blanet (which is a planetary equivalent orbiting a black hole)? These questions might be too advanced for the 5th grade.

> **Comments:**
> **username_11**: Since _moon_ just means _satellite_, albeit usually in the context of a rocky body orbiting a planet in a solar system, you could even say that the addition makes the answer false since you can have stars which are satellites of other stars and galaxies which are satellites of other galaxies. Granted, you wouldn't call either _moons_, but they are _satellites_ so if _moon_ is defined as _satellite_, then the requirement that it not generate its own light is even more wrong.  
> **username_12**: It would probably be good to also mention that there can be moons of "minor planets", given that there's an official definition for "planet" which excludes bodies in our solar system which have natural satellites which we call moons.  
> **username_13**: a star satellite of a star and a galaxy satellite of a galaxy both fail both definitions "a satellite of a planet that doesn't produce light itself but reflects it" and "a satellite of a planet". So the extra portion is still irrelevant. Likewise, the minor planet thing is irrelevant since the "correct" answer also specifies a planet.  
> **username_10**: @Makyen While your comment is true, I think it might get too far in the weeds for the 5th grade. I'd also give full marks to "A natural satellite in orbit around something other than a star or black hole."  
> **username_14**: The question asks for the definition of a moon, not the criteria for something to be considered a moon. These are two completely different questions. Definitions are not, and are not intended to be, precise rules of inclusion or exclusion. You can't determine if a hamburger is really a sandwich by checking the definition of sandwich.  
> **username_7**: Regarding rings: Is there a requirement for a moon that it must have cleared its orbit from other bodies, as there is for planets? That would make intuitive sense to me (and delineate it nicely from rings and other unorderly things ;-) ).  
> **username_10**: @DavidSchwartz Counterexample: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAU_definition_of_planet  
> **username_10**: @Peter-ReinstateMonica As far as I know, there is no such similar requirement for moons. The IAU hasn't given an official definition for moons.  
> **username_15**: @terdon: You're playing fast and loose with your definitions here. (1) Moon does not _mean_ satellite, they're not synonyms. All moons _are_ satellites, but not all satellites are moons. In the same sense, you wouldn't say "apple means fruit", even though all apples are fruit. (2) The question is not asking what a satellite is (which would include all the examples you give), the question is _what a moon is_ (which your examples are unrelated to, as they are not moons). It seems that your comment is based on a false equivalence that treats "A ∈ B" and "B ∈ A" interchangeably.  
> **username_15**: @terdon: _"...but they are satellites so if moon is defined as satellite, then the ..."_ You're confusing the content here, which is easier to spot when you substitute the nouns. Consider this: (Question) "What is a strawberry?" (Answer) "It is a fruit which is red" (Your comment) "Some fruit is yellow, such as bananas. Granted, you wouldn't call them strawberries, but they are fruit. So if strawberries are fruit, then the requirement that they're red is even more wrong" The existence of a yellow banana, which is a fruit, does not invalidate the claim that a strawberry is a red fruit.  
> **username_16**: There are stars so large that they have stars as satellites. Perhaps that's why it's written the way it is, though I would have left it off all the same.  
> **username_14**: @ConnorGarcia That's a good example of my point. It is *very* clear that this is not a definition, but a *formal* definition, which is a completely different thing. In fact, it is very clear that this is *not* a normal definition because, among other things, it doesn't apply outside the solar system. It is explicitly a rule of inclusion/exclusion for a particular subset of candidate objects.  

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### Answer by username_17 on 2023-10-30. Score: 16

Is this a test of science or of Suomi (or English)?

In English, a moon is a natural satellite of a planet, dwarf planet, or asteroid.

In Suomi, *Yleisnimenä kuu on planeetan, kääpiöplaneetan tai pienkappaleen luonnollinen kiertolainen, eli satelliitti*

And the [IAU](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Astronomical_Union) has not published a definition of *Moon* to mirror the definition of "Planet". So there is no technical definition.

In general scientific usage,
the model answer is wrong to limit "moon" only to satellites of planets, and it is wrong not to limit the meaning of moon to *natural* bodies. It is odd to mention the thing about "not giving off light". It is true for every moon (at least in the visible part of the spectrum, the Moon does glow gently in the infrared), but it is probably wrong at least in theory. It is possible to imagine a young planet with a moon that is still red hot with the heat of its formation (not a common scenario but conceivable).

But hey! It's a test for 10-year-olds...This isn't most badly worded question that I've seen on a test for elementary school pupils.

Here is how it happens. The teacher is focused on *misconceptions*. In contrast to the sun, there are two differences that may give rise to a misconception. 1) That the moon and sun both go round the Earth. 2) The moon and sun both shine with their own light. So the teacher has taught that these are the differences between "sun" and "moon", and has tried to write a question which will enable the pupils to demonstrate that they understand the differences between moon and sun. Unfortunately the teacher has misphrased the question.

> **Comments:**
> **username_18**: Or a moon made of phosphorous. :)  
> **username_13**: A moon with no atmosphere made of phosphorous would not glow. If it did have an oxygen atmosphere... it wouldn't for long.  
> **username_19**: Can hot juipiters have moons?  If so they could be hot enough to stay molten and glowing indefinitely.  
> **username_20**: @cowlinator: Perhaps he meant [phosphorescence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphorescence)?  
> **username_20**: The two misconceptions don't read as misconceptions; they read as fact. Perhaps rephrase?  
> **username_21**: Must it be natural? Consider [Operation Moonwatch](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moonwatch).  
> **username_17**: Yes, in modern terminology it must be natural.  Shortly after sputnik, some people referred to them as "moons" but that didn't catch on, and now "moon" means exclusively "natural satellite"  

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### Answer by username_22 on 2023-10-31. Score: 5

I, unlike the other answerers, read the model answer to be saying that the planet rather than the satellite does not produce light. I think the point of this is to avoid having the planets be moons because they are satellites of the sun.

> **Comments:**
> **username_23**: Could be. But then planets produce light: my desk lamp next to the window is ruining it for Earth, Jupiter's got lightning storms. It makes more sense to define a moon as not orbiting a star.  
> **username_4**: Presumably in this case the model answer should read "A satellite of a *body* that doesn't produce light itself ..."  
> **username_0**: Thanks for pointing this out. I used ChatGPT for translating the answer from Finnish to English, and I didn't notice this before posting the question. However, the Finnish version was exact.  
> **username_24**: I see that the planet, not the satellite being the body which doesn't produce light itself wouldn't be an unreasonable conclusion in ordinary English but how little idea of astronomy would be needed to negate that?  If you're working on that level of detail, don't you think the idea should be rather that the body 'doesn't itself produce light'?  Isn't it clear that 'doesn't itself produce…' refers to the body while 'doesn't produce light itself…' refers to the stuff (here, light itself) produced?  
> **username_24**: @PM2Ring Really? What is there to that Comment, but that Comment itself? In any case, why did you address that to me?  

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### Answer by username_25 on 2023-10-31. Score: 2

I think you are correct, because there are practically no moons that emit light (in the visible spectra), because in order for light to be emitted, electron excitation has to occur (when atom electron jumps to higher level), regardless of its radiation type, unless it is conversion of energy.

In space, naturally only a few types of radiation can occur, [black-body/thermal radiation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black-body_radiation) (like, in stars or [hot Jupiters](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_Jupiter)), or sometimes when an electric current passes through the atmosphere which excites the electrons.

Natural satellites are usually not that excited and active, because they don't have sufficient mass and core size for black-body radiation, and only [cosmic rays](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_ray) cause electron excitations otherwise. Overall, most of the moons are not giving off light in visible wavelength; the only difference this can make is probably between a protomoon and a moon. When it is a protomoon it is usually sort of a little hot, having sufficient heat to emit visible light.

According to [Wien's law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wien_approximation): At maximum the wavelength that is in the visible wavelength (emphasis because moons, like our moon, themselves emit in the lower spectra), it requires a minimum temperature of 4140 kelvins (with exceptions. Note: This is peak wavelength), which a moon can only have if it is either to close to its planet that tidal heat is generated, or its host planet is too close to the host star, or it is newborn, or a protomoon.

So, although the definition is not such important because it is in most of the bodies by default, but it can differentiate between emitted light and reflected light, and mostly because this is the agreed and popular definition by [Anaxagoras](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaxagoras), a Greek philosopher in 500 BC, which he later proved by studying lunar eclipses.

> **Comments:**
> **username_26**: I don't see any reason it couldn't be produced from a chemical or nuclear reaction.  

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### Answer by username_27 on 2023-11-03. Score: 0

I'm not 100% sure, but according to me, some moons of Jupiter get so "massaged" by Jupiter's gravity that this adds enormous amounts of energy to those moons, causing phenomena which might cause emitting electromagnetic radiation. In particular Io: that moon has so much volcanic eruptions that I can't believe none of the electromagnetic radiation being visible light.

So, as I believe having found at least one counter-example (without even needing to get out of our own solar system), I believe that extra condition on that "definition" being wrong.


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### Answer by username_28 on 2023-11-01. Score: -1

The second part (distinction about reflecting light) is vital to our understanding of *our* moon and therefore *all* moons.

Students should already be familiar with other forms of objects that orbit Earth such as artificial satellites, these they would be aware of, but not be able to see or recognize in the sky with their naked eyes.

* At that age level, because these satellites look no different to stars in most cases, if/when they see them, they will assume that they are stars, reinforcing that you cannot see these artificial satellites.

So they are aware that there are many satellites, but not *all* satellites are moons. Students can only visually identify one of Earth's satellites (our moon), and would reasonably offer that the only reason we can see it is because it is reflecting the light of the sun.

Students at this level will be aware that the Sun (Sol) is itself a *Star*, and that the only reason the sun looks so big to us compared to other stars is due to our close proximity to it.

The reason that emission vs reflection of light is important is that of the visible bodies in our sky, only stars (including our Sun) produce or emit light and only moons reflect that light.

* Reflection of light is perhaps the most important aspect of the moon that they would have covered in the syllabus so far, it is the requisite understanding to explain the phases of the moon as well as the most intriguing aspect, eclipses of the moon and sun. It is reasonable to assume that there would have been a lot of discussion about reflection versus emission of light, especially when trying to explain the difference between a solar and lunar eclipse.

If such discussions have not been held prior to the exam, I would suggest that the delivery of the curriculum prior to the exam was not sufficient, especially as the general model and broad definitions should have been clearly outlined to educators before the syllabus was prepared.

For lower levels I would still expect them to be aware of this but might not put it in the exam. For 5th grade, this is a great entrance exam question because it would properly gauge the depth of understanding at the start of the year, by the end I would absolutely expect students to understand the concept of the moon reflecting light and use it when defining what a moon *is*. Think about it, if you ignore the gravitational effects on the Earth, before 4th/fifth grade, all our moon does is reflect light.

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In other answers there is talk about a distinction between *natural* and *artificial*. For the year level, it is acceptable to omit *natural* from the definition of satellite as apart from Earth and our influence on the Solar system, so far *all* identified satellites are naturally occurring.

It is also acceptable to use the phrase *satellite of a planet* in place of the more technically correct *astronomical body that orbits a planet* as those concepts are probably a bit too abstract at that level.

> **Comments:**
> **username_11**: But why would light be in any way relevant? At best, it is misleading since it gives importance to something that isn't in any way relevant to the definition of moon or satellite, and at worst it is flat out wrong since _satellite_ (albeit, not _moon_) can and is used to describe both stars orbiting other stars and galaxies orbiting other galaxies.  
> **username_10**: "Students can only visually identify one of Earth's satellites (our moon)" This statement is not correct, many elementary students can identify artificial satellites such as the international space station. They appear to glow like stars but move quickly across the sky.  

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