<p><a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.09667" rel="nofollow noreferrer">This</a> review detailing the state of the art of searching for intermediate BH candidates, e.g. <span class="math-container">$m \sim 10^2 - 10^5$</span> M<span class="math-container">$_{\odot}$</span>, from electromagnetic observations &quot;for the few hundreds of nearby IMBH candidates found in <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01567" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dwarf galaxies</a>, globular clusters, and ultra-luminous X-ray sources, as well as the possible discovery of a few seed BHs at high redshift.&quot;</p>
<p>You might find my answer to the question of <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/43451/why-did-astronomers-believe-most-or-all-stellar-black-holes-had-masses-no-greate/43452#43452">Why did astronomers believe most or all stellar black holes had masses no greater than 15 solar masses?</a> helpful.</p>
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<p>Why is their mere existence being debated on?</p>
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<p>Intermediate mass BHs in active galactic nuclei (AGN) can be difficult to definitively discover, whereas <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.03871" rel="nofollow noreferrer">stellar mass BHs</a> in X-ray binaries and supermassive BHs in AGN are comparatively easier to probe, i.e. they typically do not have as strong of a gravitational pull to effect the trajectories of stars and other cosmic material which would produce strong X-ray signature.</p>
<p>The future is bright though! Just like with stellar mass and supermassive BHs, gravitational wave observations are expected to revolutionize the field of intermediate BHs, too. The space based gravitational wave observatory LISA, which will be online in a decade or so (hopefully), is <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/0812.3028" rel="nofollow noreferrer">suspected</a> to observe intermediate mass BHs, although one should <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.01064" rel="nofollow noreferrer">withhold</a> being too optimistic since this is uncertain. And the coming future of <a href="https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-019-0932-7" rel="nofollow noreferrer">multiband</a> gravitational wave astronomy - low frequency covered by LISA, high frequency covered by LIGO, and the frequencies in between covered by a DECIhertz detector - could be a boon for observing intermediate mass BHs.</p>
<p>In fact, there is a binary black hole merger event detected by LIGO/Virgo, dubbed <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW190521" rel="nofollow noreferrer">GW190521</a>, where the resultant post-merger BH had a mass of ~150 M<span class="math-container">$_{\odot}$</span>, which is the first direct observation of an intermediate mass BH, e.g., m is within <span class="math-container">$10^2 - 10^5$</span> M<span class="math-container">$_{\odot}$</span> to high confidence, and thus the first conclusive experimental evidence that the intermediate mass range can be populated by mergers of high stellar-mass BHs. How the high stellar-mass BBH system originated is speculative currently: it could have originated from hierarchical mergers of stellar mass progenitor BBHs in a dense stellar cluster, or as a high-mass isolated stellar binary or a stellar binary in an accretion disk, or more exotic possibilities...</p>

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<p>For many years the existence of medium sized Black Holes (IMBH<span class="math-container">$^1$</span>) have eluded scientists. BH of several times the mass of our sun have been found, as well as SMBH with millions of sun masses. <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.07246" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SMBH's and small ones mass grows with time</a>, as matter gets transferred to the accretion disc and later gets absorbed or by merging. Quoting a <a href="https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/aad184" rel="nofollow noreferrer">paper from 2018</a>:</p>
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<p>Although many IMBH candidates have been identified, none are accepted as definitive; thus, their very existence is still debated.</p>
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<p>My question is: If we know BH grow, where are the medium sized Black Holes? How come small sized ones are easier to spot than medium ones? Why is their mere existence being debated on?</p>
<p><span class="math-container">$^1$</span> For the purposes of this question we could define an IMBH to be one of mass between about <span class="math-container">$10^2$</span> and <span class="math-container">$10^5$</span> solar masses (<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-mass_black_hole" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-mass_black_hole</a>).</p>

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IMBH are uncommon because they either form via collision of two or more lesser black holes, or form via an extremely massive star via direct collapse. SMBH form through a IMBH "eating" a whole nebula in the early universe, or other unknown factors such as swallowing a star. Quasars - well, we don't know much about how they form, but they are indeed very massive SMBH.
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Is there any evidence supporting those claims about  IMBH? Would you please point a paper out. And why are they so elusive compared to small ones?
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See [this Wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-mass_black_hole) about it.
WarpPrime
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Ok so there has been no confirmed IMBH. The Wiki article only talks about "potential discoveries" and "IMBH candidates"
Wilhelmroentgen
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different but related: [What is the “hypothesized lower mass gap” between 2.5 and 5 solar masses?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36742/7982)
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# Medium sized Black Holes

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-03-03)

For many years the existence of medium sized Black Holes (IMBH$^1$) have eluded scientists. BH of several times the mass of our sun have been found, as well as SMBH with millions of sun masses. [SMBH's and small ones mass grows with time](https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.07246), as matter gets transferred to the accretion disc and later gets absorbed or by merging. Quoting a [paper from 2018](https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.3847/1538-4357/aad184):

> Although many IMBH candidates have been identified, none are accepted as definitive; thus, their very existence is still debated.

My question is: If we know BH grow, where are the medium sized Black Holes? How come small sized ones are easier to spot than medium ones? Why is their mere existence being debated on?

$^1$ For the purposes of this question we could define an IMBH to be one of mass between about $10^2$ and $10^5$ solar masses (<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-mass_black_hole>).

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: IMBH are uncommon because they either form via collision of two or more lesser black holes, or form via an extremely massive star via direct collapse. SMBH form through a IMBH "eating" a whole nebula in the early universe, or other unknown factors such as swallowing a star. Quasars - well, we don't know much about how they form, but they are indeed very massive SMBH.  
> **username_0**: Is there any evidence supporting those claims about  IMBH? Would you please point a paper out. And why are they so elusive compared to small ones?  
> **username_1**: See [this Wiki article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-mass_black_hole) about it.  
> **username_0**: Ok so there has been no confirmed IMBH. The Wiki article only talks about "potential discoveries" and "IMBH candidates"  
> **username_2**: different but related: [What is the “hypothesized lower mass gap” between 2.5 and 5 solar masses?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/36742/7982)  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2021-07-03. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

[This](https://arxiv.org/abs/1705.09667) review detailing the state of the art of searching for intermediate BH candidates, e.g. $m \sim 10^2 - 10^5$ M$\_{\odot}$, from electromagnetic observations "for the few hundreds of nearby IMBH candidates found in [dwarf galaxies](https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.01567), globular clusters, and ultra-luminous X-ray sources, as well as the possible discovery of a few seed BHs at high redshift."

You might find my answer to the question of [Why did astronomers believe most or all stellar black holes had masses no greater than 15 solar masses?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/43451/why-did-astronomers-believe-most-or-all-stellar-black-holes-had-masses-no-greate/43452#43452) helpful.

> Why is their mere existence being debated on?

Intermediate mass BHs in active galactic nuclei (AGN) can be difficult to definitively discover, whereas [stellar mass BHs](https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.03871) in X-ray binaries and supermassive BHs in AGN are comparatively easier to probe, i.e. they typically do not have as strong of a gravitational pull to effect the trajectories of stars and other cosmic material which would produce strong X-ray signature.

The future is bright though! Just like with stellar mass and supermassive BHs, gravitational wave observations are expected to revolutionize the field of intermediate BHs, too. The space based gravitational wave observatory LISA, which will be online in a decade or so (hopefully), is [suspected](https://arxiv.org/abs/0812.3028) to observe intermediate mass BHs, although one should [withhold](https://arxiv.org/abs/2005.01064) being too optimistic since this is uncertain. And the coming future of [multiband](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41550-019-0932-7) gravitational wave astronomy - low frequency covered by LISA, high frequency covered by LIGO, and the frequencies in between covered by a DECIhertz detector - could be a boon for observing intermediate mass BHs.

In fact, there is a binary black hole merger event detected by LIGO/Virgo, dubbed [GW190521](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GW190521), where the resultant post-merger BH had a mass of ~150 M$\_{\odot}$, which is the first direct observation of an intermediate mass BH, e.g., m is within $10^2 - 10^5$ M$\_{\odot}$ to high confidence, and thus the first conclusive experimental evidence that the intermediate mass range can be populated by mergers of high stellar-mass BHs. How the high stellar-mass BBH system originated is speculative currently: it could have originated from hierarchical mergers of stellar mass progenitor BBHs in a dense stellar cluster, or as a high-mass isolated stellar binary or a stellar binary in an accretion disk, or more exotic possibilities...


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