<h2>Observation</h2>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FH9cgRhQ-k&amp;t=2m40s" rel="nofollow noreferrer">This video by In a Nutshell</a> visualises the <a href="https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.02212" rel="nofollow noreferrer">V723 Mon</a> orbiting a smaller and heavier object/black hole named Unicorn. However, the animation shows Unicorn and V723 both orbiting some common orbital centre at approximately the same angular velocity (rad/s).</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/lkadF.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/lkadF.png" alt="Orbital pattern of V723 Mon and Unicorn in Kurzgesagt video." /></a></p>
<h2>Doubt</h2>
<p>However, intuitively I would expect the Unicorn (or V723 Mon for that matter) to be at the other side of the orbital centre of the two bodies, as <a href="https://u.osu.edu/tharinduj/v723-mon/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">visualised in this animation</a>:</p>
<p><a href="https://u.osu.edu/tharinduj/files/2021/04/ASAS-SN-Black-Hole-1.mp4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://u.osu.edu/tharinduj/files/2021/04/ASAS-SN-Black-Hole-1.mp4</a></p>
<h2>Hypothesis</h2>
<p>Explanations could perhaps be that:</p>
<ul>
<li>both Unicorn and V723 Mon both orbit a larger body, which is at the centre of the Kurzgesagt animation.</li>
<li>There is an object that influences the orbit of Unicorn even more than V723 Mon causing the barycenter of Unicorn and that other object to be at the actual centre showed in the Kurzgesagt video.</li>
</ul>
<p>Yet those seem unlikely, and especially given the other animation I found of Unicorn and V723 Mon, it seems like the In A Nutshell video simply has a slightly inaccurate visualisation.</p>
<h2>Question</h2>
<p>Hence, I would like to ask:</p>
<p><em>Is the relative position w.r.t. the implied orbital centre of the two bodies in the In A Nutshell animation an accurate representation (or would it be improved by visualising Unicorn (or V723 Mon) on the other side of the implied orbital centre)?</em></p>

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2021-08-24T15:17:54.530Z
Just looks incorrect. The signal to noise ratio of these videos is pretty high though compared with most popular stuff.
ProfRob
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2021-08-25T04:37:54.540Z
The ArXiV link says that 'The simplest explanation for the massive companion is a single compact object, most likely a black hole in the "mass gap".' That is, we currently believe that it's a binary system, and so that's what  the In A Nutshell video *should* illustrate. In a binary orbit, the COM (centre of mass) of the system *must* lie on the line connecting the COMs of the two bodies (and of course it must be between the two bodies).
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Orbiting around a common barycenter in Kurzgesagt video: "The Largest Black Hole in the Universe"
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# Orbiting around a common barycenter in Kurzgesagt video: "The Largest Black Hole in the Universe"

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-08-24)

## Observation

[This video by In a Nutshell](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FH9cgRhQ-k&t=2m40s) visualises the [V723 Mon](https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.02212) orbiting a smaller and heavier object/black hole named Unicorn. However, the animation shows Unicorn and V723 both orbiting some common orbital centre at approximately the same angular velocity (rad/s).

[![Orbital pattern of V723 Mon and Unicorn in Kurzgesagt video.](https://i.sstatic.net/lkadF.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/lkadF.png)

## Doubt

However, intuitively I would expect the Unicorn (or V723 Mon for that matter) to be at the other side of the orbital centre of the two bodies, as [visualised in this animation](https://u.osu.edu/tharinduj/v723-mon/):

<https://u.osu.edu/tharinduj/files/2021/04/ASAS-SN-Black-Hole-1.mp4>

## Hypothesis

Explanations could perhaps be that:

* both Unicorn and V723 Mon both orbit a larger body, which is at the centre of the Kurzgesagt animation.
* There is an object that influences the orbit of Unicorn even more than V723 Mon causing the barycenter of Unicorn and that other object to be at the actual centre showed in the Kurzgesagt video.

Yet those seem unlikely, and especially given the other animation I found of Unicorn and V723 Mon, it seems like the In A Nutshell video simply has a slightly inaccurate visualisation.

## Question

Hence, I would like to ask:

*Is the relative position w.r.t. the implied orbital centre of the two bodies in the In A Nutshell animation an accurate representation (or would it be improved by visualising Unicorn (or V723 Mon) on the other side of the implied orbital centre)?*

**Tags:** orbital-mechanics
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Just looks incorrect. The signal to noise ratio of these videos is pretty high though compared with most popular stuff.  
> **username_2**: The ArXiV link says that 'The simplest explanation for the massive companion is a single compact object, most likely a black hole in the "mass gap".' That is, we currently believe that it's a binary system, and so that's what  the In A Nutshell video *should* illustrate. In a binary orbit, the COM (centre of mass) of the system *must* lie on the line connecting the COMs of the two bodies (and of course it must be between the two bodies).  

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