<p>They made star maps.  They mapped the positions of stars on the imaginary celestial sphere - which they thought was an actual physical hollow sphere surrounding the Earth at some distance.</p>
<p>Because the earth rotates, and they thought that the Earth stood still, they believed that the imaginary celestial sphere rotated around the Earth.  They saw that stars near what we call the north celestial pole rotated around that pole in small circles, travelling 180 degrees per night.  And they noted that among the polar stars A Star A might be above Star B at midnight on midsummer, and be below star B at midnight in midwinter.</p>
<p>And they knew that at midnight the Sun was on the opposite side of the Earth from the stars which were on a line from due north on the horizon to the zenith.   Once water clocks or hourglasses were invented, they could tell how many hours of darkness there were each night of the year.  And it would be midnight right in the middle of the period of darkness.</p>
<p>When they had all of the northern half of he celestial sphere and much of the southern half mapped, they could figure out which stars were opposite to the midnight stars each day of the year, and thus know &quot;where&quot; the Sun was at noon any day of the year.</p>
<p>They could measure how high above the horizon the Sun was at noon every day of the year, and figure out how that related to the equator of the celestial sphere. Thus they knew the latitude of the Sun above or below the equator of the celestial sphere every day.</p>
<p>So they knew the longitude of the celestial sphere that the Sun was in because it was opposite to the longitude of the stars which were due north at midnight that day.</p>
<p>And they knew the latitude of the sun relative to the celestial sphere because they could measure the Sun's angle above the horizon at noon during the day and convert that to the Sun's latitude on the celestial sphere.</p>
<p>Thus they could map the position of the Sun in the celestial sphere each day, with greater and greater accuracy as the decades and centuries passed.</p>

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<p>The zodiac constellations lie along the plane of the ecliptic. In Spring equinox, sun lies in Pisces constellations. So Pisces is not visible during the day (because the sun light) and not visible in the night.</p>
<p>My question is: How did the ancients know the constellation in which the sun is located (as this constellation is not visible)?</p>

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Simple logic. They were not stupid and quite observant. It's a circle. You know the order of zodiacal signs. The sun moves and you know its direction. You also know which zodiacal signs are not visible right now...
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How did the ancients know the constellation in which the sun is located?
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# How did the ancients know the constellation in which the sun is located?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-07-23)

The zodiac constellations lie along the plane of the ecliptic. In Spring equinox, sun lies in Pisces constellations. So Pisces is not visible during the day (because the sun light) and not visible in the night.

My question is: How did the ancients know the constellation in which the sun is located (as this constellation is not visible)?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Simple logic. They were not stupid and quite observant. It's a circle. You know the order of zodiacal signs. The sun moves and you know its direction. You also know which zodiacal signs are not visible right now...  
> **username_2**: Related, possible duplicate: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/37201/16685  
> **username_3**: Answer to this question may also be helpful: https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/49816/how-was-the-first-point-of-aries-measured-in-ancient-times  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-07-23. Score: 8

They made star maps. They mapped the positions of stars on the imaginary celestial sphere - which they thought was an actual physical hollow sphere surrounding the Earth at some distance.

Because the earth rotates, and they thought that the Earth stood still, they believed that the imaginary celestial sphere rotated around the Earth. They saw that stars near what we call the north celestial pole rotated around that pole in small circles, travelling 180 degrees per night. And they noted that among the polar stars A Star A might be above Star B at midnight on midsummer, and be below star B at midnight in midwinter.

And they knew that at midnight the Sun was on the opposite side of the Earth from the stars which were on a line from due north on the horizon to the zenith. Once water clocks or hourglasses were invented, they could tell how many hours of darkness there were each night of the year. And it would be midnight right in the middle of the period of darkness.

When they had all of the northern half of he celestial sphere and much of the southern half mapped, they could figure out which stars were opposite to the midnight stars each day of the year, and thus know "where" the Sun was at noon any day of the year.

They could measure how high above the horizon the Sun was at noon every day of the year, and figure out how that related to the equator of the celestial sphere. Thus they knew the latitude of the Sun above or below the equator of the celestial sphere every day.

So they knew the longitude of the celestial sphere that the Sun was in because it was opposite to the longitude of the stars which were due north at midnight that day.

And they knew the latitude of the sun relative to the celestial sphere because they could measure the Sun's angle above the horizon at noon during the day and convert that to the Sun's latitude on the celestial sphere.

Thus they could map the position of the Sun in the celestial sphere each day, with greater and greater accuracy as the decades and centuries passed.


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