<p>Yes this is a bit more of a challenge! The first scope in the photo is long and thin and <em>before the big square cardboard shadow-maker is put on</em> it can be easily pointed at the Sun by moving the telescope until its shadow becomes a small circle, the minimum outline of the scope. If it's off a little bit that long tube's shadow will immediately change shape.</p>
<p>But with a short squat form factor your telescope won't be so easy. Start with the smallest magnification largest focal length eyepiece and at least try to use the shadow method of looking at the shadow that your telescope makes behind it (on something flat and held perpendicular to the Sun's direction, and move the scope around trying to make the most circular profile shadow. For this method, instead of a finder scope you can use an empty long thin tube to make a shadow.</p>
<h3>Wait, you have a finder scope!</h3>
<p>Eyepiece projection will work just as nicely for your finder scope as your main scope, so BEFORE you use it for the Sun, check that the finder is aligned to the main scope EITHER AT NIGHT or using TERESTRIAL OBJECTS on the ground. DON'T POINT IT AT THE SUN if there's any chance that you will look through it.</p>
<p>Those have to be distant objects so parallax doesn't lead to misalignment.</p>
<p>Once your finder scope is aligned to your main telescope, use eyepiece projection to get a nice centered image from it. At that point your main scope should be really close.</p>

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2020-11-28T05:54:13.200Z
So , if I understand you correctly, the projection should occur through the finderscope instead of the main telescope?  In all my attempts, I had the finderscope capped off.   I will try your "shadow aiming" trick our next sunny day.
Bookaholic
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2020-11-28T06:03:48.900Z
@Bookaholic not *instead of* but rather *in addition to*. The finder scope may have a field of view of perhaps 5 or 7 degrees roughly, while even at the lowest magnification your main telescope's field of view will be 10 times narrower. So even if your scope is off by many degrees eh finder scope will work as a projector, and then you can move around until the finder's projection is directly behind it, centered on the finder's own shadow. If you are careful and your finder is aligned, then you should already see some misaligned projection from your main scope.
uhoh
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2020-11-28T06:07:17.480Z
@Bookaholic You can practice a little bit using a bright light in a dark room, or a bright streetlight outside a window. Your finder scope will make a small projection of those as well. But once you focus it on the object by eye move the eyepiece *outwards* away the front lens so that it will focus not at infinity, but at a sheet of paper held nearby.  It may take some practice but it may be more comfortable doing this first to gain experience.
uhoh
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2020-11-28T06:07:54.190Z
Other uses may post additional and more helpful answers as well, so continue to check back here regularly
uhoh
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2020-11-28T11:34:57.153Z
It might be possible to replicate the [Baader Sky Surfer's](https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/accessories/telescope-accessories/finders-and-accessories/baader-sky-surfer-v-red-dot-finder.html) solar finder functionality by making a small hole in the front lens cap of the finder scope and using a clear plastic rear lens cap to see the projected solar image.
Aaron F
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2020-11-28T05:37:17.867Z
2020-11-28T05:37:17.867Z
uhoh
<p>I have been trying, but completely failing, to copy the arrangement for viewing the sun mentioned on this website:  <a href="https://astronomyconnect.com/forums/articles/2-three-ways-to-safely-observe-the-sun.21/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://astronomyconnect.com/forums/articles/2-three-ways-to-safely-observe-the-sun.21/</a>
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<p>The telescope shown does not appear to have a finderscope or any other obvious means of finding/tracking the sun.  This set up is actually far harder to do than it would appear in the photo.  However, I think it is worth the effort as it doesn't risk blinding the observer.</p>
<p>Finding the sun is not our issue because our telescope moves.  We punch in what we want to look at and the telescope moves there.   We can use it manually, but have found that the sun is surprisingly difficult to find without looking through the finderscope.   We are not willing to do that for obvious reasons.</p>
<p>I have been trying to figure out a way to have the board portion grab hold of our telescope instead of set on a table.  So when the telescope moves, the board moves with it.  Orion does sell a sun-filter, which I have purchased, but I am not willing to set a precedent with my homeschoolers where they look at the sun through the telescope - even with a sun filter.</p>
<p>Does anyone know of another website with instructions to use the telescope as a projector that uses a telescope similar to mine?</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/vM1Jh.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/vM1Jh.png" alt="Our telescope" /></a></p>

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Difficulty in using the telescope as a projector
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# Difficulty in using the telescope as a projector

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-11-28)

I have been trying, but completely failing, to copy the arrangement for viewing the sun mentioned on this website: <https://astronomyconnect.com/forums/articles/2-three-ways-to-safely-observe-the-sun.21/>
[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/AGTd7.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/AGTd7.png)

The telescope shown does not appear to have a finderscope or any other obvious means of finding/tracking the sun. This set up is actually far harder to do than it would appear in the photo. However, I think it is worth the effort as it doesn't risk blinding the observer.

Finding the sun is not our issue because our telescope moves. We punch in what we want to look at and the telescope moves there. We can use it manually, but have found that the sun is surprisingly difficult to find without looking through the finderscope. We are not willing to do that for obvious reasons.

I have been trying to figure out a way to have the board portion grab hold of our telescope instead of set on a table. So when the telescope moves, the board moves with it. Orion does sell a sun-filter, which I have purchased, but I am not willing to set a precedent with my homeschoolers where they look at the sun through the telescope - even with a sun filter.

Does anyone know of another website with instructions to use the telescope as a projector that uses a telescope similar to mine?

[![Our telescope](https://i.sstatic.net/vM1Jh.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/vM1Jh.png)

**Tags:** the-sun, telescope

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-11-28. Score: 2

Yes this is a bit more of a challenge! The first scope in the photo is long and thin and *before the big square cardboard shadow-maker is put on* it can be easily pointed at the Sun by moving the telescope until its shadow becomes a small circle, the minimum outline of the scope. If it's off a little bit that long tube's shadow will immediately change shape.

But with a short squat form factor your telescope won't be so easy. Start with the smallest magnification largest focal length eyepiece and at least try to use the shadow method of looking at the shadow that your telescope makes behind it (on something flat and held perpendicular to the Sun's direction, and move the scope around trying to make the most circular profile shadow. For this method, instead of a finder scope you can use an empty long thin tube to make a shadow.

### Wait, you have a finder scope!

Eyepiece projection will work just as nicely for your finder scope as your main scope, so BEFORE you use it for the Sun, check that the finder is aligned to the main scope EITHER AT NIGHT or using TERESTRIAL OBJECTS on the ground. DON'T POINT IT AT THE SUN if there's any chance that you will look through it.

Those have to be distant objects so parallax doesn't lead to misalignment.

Once your finder scope is aligned to your main telescope, use eyepiece projection to get a nice centered image from it. At that point your main scope should be really close.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: So , if I understand you correctly, the projection should occur through the finderscope instead of the main telescope?  In all my attempts, I had the finderscope capped off.   I will try your "shadow aiming" trick our next sunny day.  
> **username_1**: @Bookaholic not *instead of* but rather *in addition to*. The finder scope may have a field of view of perhaps 5 or 7 degrees roughly, while even at the lowest magnification your main telescope's field of view will be 10 times narrower. So even if your scope is off by many degrees eh finder scope will work as a projector, and then you can move around until the finder's projection is directly behind it, centered on the finder's own shadow. If you are careful and your finder is aligned, then you should already see some misaligned projection from your main scope.  
> **username_1**: @Bookaholic You can practice a little bit using a bright light in a dark room, or a bright streetlight outside a window. Your finder scope will make a small projection of those as well. But once you focus it on the object by eye move the eyepiece *outwards* away the front lens so that it will focus not at infinity, but at a sheet of paper held nearby.  It may take some practice but it may be more comfortable doing this first to gain experience.  
> **username_1**: Other uses may post additional and more helpful answers as well, so continue to check back here regularly  
> **username_2**: It might be possible to replicate the [Baader Sky Surfer's](https://www.baader-planetarium.com/en/accessories/telescope-accessories/finders-and-accessories/baader-sky-surfer-v-red-dot-finder.html) solar finder functionality by making a small hole in the front lens cap of the finder scope and using a clear plastic rear lens cap to see the projected solar image.  

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