<p>I'd like to know a little more about the geometry of the ship's trajectory. I would be asking for clarification in comments but I don't know how to put images in comments.</p>

<p>A good distance away the ship is moving nearly a straight line with regard to the large mass. As the ship gets closer the path gradually bends towards the large mass. If you're still a fair distance from the star, the path can be fairly well modeled with Newtonian mechanics and the curving path can be modeled as a hyperbola. The straight line the hyperbola is gradually deviating from is called an asymptote:</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/dbsug.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>

<p>This illustration (page 36 of my coloring book) is a hyperbola about the earth, but it could also be a hyperbola about a larger mass.</p>

<p>Escape velocity climbs as you get closer to the mass. The hyperbola's speed is sqrt(Vescape^2 + Vinf^2). I use this right triangle and the Pythagorean theorem as a memory device:</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/M7ymg.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>

<p>If you did a burn in the opposite direction from your Vinf vector, it could reduce your Vinf and drop you even closer to the mass.</p>

<p>If your burn vector is at right angles to your velocity vector, it would increase your vinf (and thus raise point of closest approach aka periapsis). It would also change the direction of the hyperbola's asymptote.</p>

<p>To better answer your question, I'd need to know more about the geometry of this scenario, what Vesc and Vinf is and how much delta V the ship was capable of. It would be helpful to know at what distance our heroes discover they're in trouble.</p>

<p>If the ship has already fallen close enough that it's traveling an appreciable fraction of c, the above doesn't apply. Conics from Newtonian mechanics is a good approximation until you get too close to the black hole. Then you'd need general relativity to model the trajectory -- and that's above my pay grade.</p>

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Let's say for simplicity sake that they are "still" in relation to the black hole.  I know in reality, they would be headed toward it rather quickly.  If distance factors in, it would be interesting to see what the answer is at different distances (e.g. fairly close to the event horizon, and for far away).
Jonathan
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If they find out close to the event horizon, Newtonian mechanics is a poor model so my conic section methods wouldn't apply. General relativity would be needed and I don't know how to do that. I would venture to guess that they were doomed, though. Once you got that close it'd take a huge amount of delta V to appreciably change your path.
HopDavid
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I am curious about the "fairly far away" case as well, would your model help with that case?
Jonathan
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Yes, Newtonian mechanics would work well if they discovered their problem a good distance out. Vinfinity could be just about any quantity. For example some neighboring stars are traveling 100s of km/s wrt our solar system. Others more in the neighborhood of 10s of km/s. If discovered a good distance out and Vinf is small, the explorers have a chance to avoid disaster.
HopDavid
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Would you know the best direction to proceed (e.g. directly away, parallel, etc...)
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<p>Consider a space ship that is being drawn closer to a black hole.  The crew begins to notice the effects, and discovers that they are nearing the black hole.  They then manage to halt their progression toward the black hole.  What would be the optimal escape trajectory, assuming they have not yet wandered too close?  I am thinking it would likely either be directly away from the black hole (figure 1), or parallel to the black hole (figure 2).  However, it is conceivable that there would be some other angle that would be optimal (e.g. 45 degrees in figure 3).</p>

<p>Figure 1: Go directly away from the black hole</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/b8ib8.png" alt="Black hole away"></p>

<p>Figure 2: Go "parallel" to the black hole</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/lWDe3.png" alt="Black hole parallel"></p>

<p>Figure 3: Go 45 degrees from the black hole</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/VUUmY.png" alt="Black Hole 45 degrees"></p>

<p>A follow up question is, would this answer be the same for other high gravity objects, such as neutron stars, or even regular stars?</p>

<p>Let's say for simplicity sake that they have already managed to halt their advance toward the black hole and they are now still (not moving) in relation to the black hole. If distance factors in, it would be interesting to see what the answer is at different distances (e.g. fairly close to the event horizon where I realize a tremendous amount of energy would be required, and for far away).</p>

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I suppose if it were a game simulation, a valid choice might be up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, B, A :-)
Jonathan
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Is the black hole rotating?
Deer Hunter
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For simplicity sake, let's say it is not rotating.
Jonathan
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What is the optimal escape trajectory from near a black hole?
Jonathan
# What is the optimal escape trajectory from near a black hole?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-06-01)

Consider a space ship that is being drawn closer to a black hole. The crew begins to notice the effects, and discovers that they are nearing the black hole. They then manage to halt their progression toward the black hole. What would be the optimal escape trajectory, assuming they have not yet wandered too close? I am thinking it would likely either be directly away from the black hole (figure 1), or parallel to the black hole (figure 2). However, it is conceivable that there would be some other angle that would be optimal (e.g. 45 degrees in figure 3).

Figure 1: Go directly away from the black hole

![Black hole away](https://i.sstatic.net/b8ib8.png)

Figure 2: Go "parallel" to the black hole

![Black hole parallel](https://i.sstatic.net/lWDe3.png)

Figure 3: Go 45 degrees from the black hole

![Black Hole 45 degrees](https://i.sstatic.net/VUUmY.png)

A follow up question is, would this answer be the same for other high gravity objects, such as neutron stars, or even regular stars?

Let's say for simplicity sake that they have already managed to halt their advance toward the black hole and they are now still (not moving) in relation to the black hole. If distance factors in, it would be interesting to see what the answer is at different distances (e.g. fairly close to the event horizon where I realize a tremendous amount of energy would be required, and for far away).

**Tags:** orbit, black-hole, gravity, velocity, interstellar-travel
> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I suppose if it were a game simulation, a valid choice might be up, down, up, down, left, right, left, right, B, A :-)  
> **username_1**: Is the black hole rotating?  
> **username_0**: For simplicity sake, let's say it is not rotating.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2014-06-01. Score: 6

I'd like to know a little more about the geometry of the ship's trajectory. I would be asking for clarification in comments but I don't know how to put images in comments.

A good distance away the ship is moving nearly a straight line with regard to the large mass. As the ship gets closer the path gradually bends towards the large mass. If you're still a fair distance from the star, the path can be fairly well modeled with Newtonian mechanics and the curving path can be modeled as a hyperbola. The straight line the hyperbola is gradually deviating from is called an asymptote:

![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/dbsug.jpg)

This illustration (page 36 of my coloring book) is a hyperbola about the earth, but it could also be a hyperbola about a larger mass.

Escape velocity climbs as you get closer to the mass. The hyperbola's speed is sqrt(Vescape^2 + Vinf^2). I use this right triangle and the Pythagorean theorem as a memory device:

![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/M7ymg.jpg)

If you did a burn in the opposite direction from your Vinf vector, it could reduce your Vinf and drop you even closer to the mass.

If your burn vector is at right angles to your velocity vector, it would increase your vinf (and thus raise point of closest approach aka periapsis). It would also change the direction of the hyperbola's asymptote.

To better answer your question, I'd need to know more about the geometry of this scenario, what Vesc and Vinf is and how much delta V the ship was capable of. It would be helpful to know at what distance our heroes discover they're in trouble.

If the ship has already fallen close enough that it's traveling an appreciable fraction of c, the above doesn't apply. Conics from Newtonian mechanics is a good approximation until you get too close to the black hole. Then you'd need general relativity to model the trajectory -- and that's above my pay grade.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Let's say for simplicity sake that they are "still" in relation to the black hole.  I know in reality, they would be headed toward it rather quickly.  If distance factors in, it would be interesting to see what the answer is at different distances (e.g. fairly close to the event horizon, and for far away).  
> **username_2**: If they find out close to the event horizon, Newtonian mechanics is a poor model so my conic section methods wouldn't apply. General relativity would be needed and I don't know how to do that. I would venture to guess that they were doomed, though. Once you got that close it'd take a huge amount of delta V to appreciably change your path.  
> **username_0**: I am curious about the "fairly far away" case as well, would your model help with that case?  
> **username_2**: Yes, Newtonian mechanics would work well if they discovered their problem a good distance out. Vinfinity could be just about any quantity. For example some neighboring stars are traveling 100s of km/s wrt our solar system. Others more in the neighborhood of 10s of km/s. If discovered a good distance out and Vinf is small, the explorers have a chance to avoid disaster.  
> **username_0**: Would you know the best direction to proceed (e.g. directly away, parallel, etc...)  

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