<p>All possible tests of the Arp model have been failed. High redshift quasars have Lyman alpha forests, low redshift galaxies do not.</p>

<p>The Arp model suggests that the Lyman alpha forests are somehow intrinsic to the quasar. There are many problems with this idea.</p>

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ProfRob
<p>Has the Lyman-alpha forest ever been used to test Halton Arp's theory that quasars are not cosmological but instead are ejected from relatively near-by galaxies?  If Arp was right, then the spectra of the quasar and the 'parent galaxy' should both show the same Lyman-alpha forest; if it only appears in the quasar spectra, then the quasar must be much further away.</p>

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By "parent galaxy", do you mean not the galaxy that hosts the quasar, but rather a galaxy that is nearby in projected distance but not in redshift?
pela
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2017-04-21T19:59:36.927Z
Also, "relatively nearby galaxies" do not really show any Ly$\alpha$ forest since the Universe is completely ionized. A clear evolution in the Ly$\alpha$ forest is seen in quasar spectra. But arguably a more robust evidence for the cosmological nature of quasars is the redshift of their emission lines.
pela
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It is a concern here that google throws up a load of creationist nonsense associated with this question.
ProfRob
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2017-04-21T22:17:37.357Z
Yes, by 'parent galaxy' I meant the nearby galaxy with a lower redshift that, according to Arp, ejected the quasar.
Jerome Malenfant
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2017-04-25T02:52:35.760Z
"It is a concern here that google throws up a load of creationist nonsense associated with this question."    Yes, and it would be nice to be able to shoot them down by pointing to such a measurement that showed Ly-alpha in the quasar's spectra but not in the supposed 'parent galaxy'.
Jerome Malenfant
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Has the Lyman-alpha forest ever been used to test Arp's theory?
Jerome Malenfant
# Has the Lyman-alpha forest ever been used to test Arp's theory?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-04-21)

Has the Lyman-alpha forest ever been used to test Halton Arp's theory that quasars are not cosmological but instead are ejected from relatively near-by galaxies? If Arp was right, then the spectra of the quasar and the 'parent galaxy' should both show the same Lyman-alpha forest; if it only appears in the quasar spectra, then the quasar must be much further away.

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: By "parent galaxy", do you mean not the galaxy that hosts the quasar, but rather a galaxy that is nearby in projected distance but not in redshift?  
> **username_1**: Also, "relatively nearby galaxies" do not really show any Ly$\alpha$ forest since the Universe is completely ionized. A clear evolution in the Ly$\alpha$ forest is seen in quasar spectra. But arguably a more robust evidence for the cosmological nature of quasars is the redshift of their emission lines.  
> **username_2**: It is a concern here that google throws up a load of creationist nonsense associated with this question.  
> **username_0**: Yes, by 'parent galaxy' I meant the nearby galaxy with a lower redshift that, according to Arp, ejected the quasar.  
> **username_0**: "It is a concern here that google throws up a load of creationist nonsense associated with this question."    Yes, and it would be nice to be able to shoot them down by pointing to such a measurement that showed Ly-alpha in the quasar's spectra but not in the supposed 'parent galaxy'.  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2017-04-21. Score: 2

All possible tests of the Arp model have been failed. High redshift quasars have Lyman alpha forests, low redshift galaxies do not.

The Arp model suggests that the Lyman alpha forests are somehow intrinsic to the quasar. There are many problems with this idea.


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