<p>Solar energy - from our Sun at Jupiter's focal distance?    A negligible amount.    Gravitational lensing doesn't have a focal point so much as a focal region that begins roughly at a point, and that point (which really shouldn't be called a focal point) can be calculated, <a href="https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/33498/what-is-the-gravitational-lensing-focal-distance-of-a-white-dwarf-star?rq=1">ProfRob gives the formula here</a>.</p>
<p>Jupiter's gravitational lensing distance is so far (about 10 times the Sun's or about 5500 astronomical units), that Jupiter essentially appears 1/10th the size of the Sun from that distance, so it doesn't really work at focusing the Sun's rays.  You still get a lot more light direct from the Sun, which at that distance, would just be the brightest dot in the sky, with Jupiter blocking more light than it lenses in the observer's direction.   You get more light from the Sun when Jupiter isn't blocking the sun at that distance.</p>
<p>Gravitational lensing works best when the lensing object is either very massive, so it pulls in light from a sizable area, or if it's larger than the object that's being studied.  That is, You could use Jupiter's gravitational lensing to study an exoplanet, which is incredibly tiny to our observation light years away, but the gravitational bending of light by Jupiter gives a very distorted image of the incredibly tiny/distant object, but that distorted image would have a great deal more information.  In that scenario, Jupiter would focus much more light from the very distant, very dim object, but only because the object is effectively so small by our observation.</p>
<p>Maybe somebody here knows how to run the math for gravitational lensing brightness, but it varies on how pin-point the object you want to get a better look at is, so it's not a simple one line formula.</p>
<p>With the case of the Sun and Jupiter, the Sun being larger, it doesn't really work.   A black hole could image something larger than itself, but a black hole bends a lot more light than Jupiter does and it's so called &quot;focal point&quot; begins much closer.</p>
<p>A magnifying glass, which focuses sunlight to a point (and this only works because the sun is so distant that the rays of light are essentially parallel), that focused sunlight can never be hotter than the surface of the Sun itself.   That's a law (<a href="https://what-if.xkcd.com/145/" rel="noreferrer">xkcd did a nice bit about that</a>)</p>
<p>The focused (but very blurred) image that a planet makes at it's gravitational lensing point wouldn't come close to hot enough to cook ants, if that's your goal.   A better way to think about it would be looking through a telescope, but the image is spread out into a ring but not that bright.   Maybe with a perfect scenario, like a black hole or neutron star and a star in the distance, you might get some brightness, but still much less concentration than a magnifying glass can give you because it doesn't focus at a point, it's more of a range.</p>
<p>If you make your question more specific, somebody might be able to give you a more exact mathematical answer.</p>

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Also, at 5500 AU, the area Sunlight is being focused at by Jupiter is moving at approximately 13,600 km/s  perpendicular to the radial vector from the Sun. Getting something out that far, and _then_ running it up to 4.5% of c poses its own set of problems.  And it must supply a centripetal acceleration of 0.22 m/s^2 from on-board sources to keep circling.
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see also [this answer](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/39811/7982) to *Would a black hole passing next to a star create a deadly focal point due to gravitational lensing?* and perhaps [Can a supernova or a close passing star create a transient sun gravity focus “habitable zone”?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/40999/7982)
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@notovny  Good information.   I hadn't considered that Jupiter moves much too fast for this to work..
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<p>How much solar energy concentrates at Jupiter's focal point via gravitational lensing?</p>

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This is a good start to a question. Could you add more details to your post instead of just copying the title to the content area?
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@fasterthanlight why exactly? In this particular case, what additional details are really necessary? No need to add [styrofoam peanuts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_peanut) just to fill up the empty space. **voting to keep question open** since it's fine the way it is and has already demonstrated itself to be perfectly and unambiguously answerable. If more details are added now they may conflict with the posted answer.
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@uhoh I disagree. I don't understand it at all. The focal point of what grav lens? Are we talking about metric  distortion in space caused by Jupiter or Earth or the Sun? === Does he want to do something with the amount of energy that falls on Jupiter? Concentrate the light like a magnifying glass to heat up the red spot? === I don't know. I can't tell from the question.
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@MissUnderstands "Jupiter's focal point" = the focal point, somewhere in space, of light originating from the Sun, produced by Jupiter's gravity. In other words "In the place where Jupiter's gravitational lensing focuses light from the Sun, how much solar energy is concentrated there?"  [This answer](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/41262/7982) says 1) lensing from compact bodies (planets, stars, etc.) doesn't work like real lenses, 2) the Sun is way too close to Jupiter for lensing to make the Sun any brighter.
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How much solar energy concentrates at Jupiter's focal point via gravitational lensing?
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# How much solar energy concentrates at Jupiter's focal point via gravitational lensing?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-02-06)

How much solar energy concentrates at Jupiter's focal point via gravitational lensing?

**Tags:** the-sun, jupiter, gravitational-lensing
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: This is a good start to a question. Could you add more details to your post instead of just copying the title to the content area?  
> **username_2**: @fasterthanlight why exactly? In this particular case, what additional details are really necessary? No need to add [styrofoam peanuts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam_peanut) just to fill up the empty space. **voting to keep question open** since it's fine the way it is and has already demonstrated itself to be perfectly and unambiguously answerable. If more details are added now they may conflict with the posted answer.  
> **username_3**: @uhoh I disagree. I don't understand it at all. The focal point of what grav lens? Are we talking about metric  distortion in space caused by Jupiter or Earth or the Sun? === Does he want to do something with the amount of energy that falls on Jupiter? Concentrate the light like a magnifying glass to heat up the red spot? === I don't know. I can't tell from the question.  
> **username_2**: @MissUnderstands "Jupiter's focal point" = the focal point, somewhere in space, of light originating from the Sun, produced by Jupiter's gravity. In other words "In the place where Jupiter's gravitational lensing focuses light from the Sun, how much solar energy is concentrated there?"  [This answer](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/41262/7982) says 1) lensing from compact bodies (planets, stars, etc.) doesn't work like real lenses, 2) the Sun is way too close to Jupiter for lensing to make the Sun any brighter.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-02-06. Score: 5

Solar energy - from our Sun at Jupiter's focal distance? A negligible amount. Gravitational lensing doesn't have a focal point so much as a focal region that begins roughly at a point, and that point (which really shouldn't be called a focal point) can be calculated, [ProfRob gives the formula here](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/questions/33498/what-is-the-gravitational-lensing-focal-distance-of-a-white-dwarf-star?rq=1).

Jupiter's gravitational lensing distance is so far (about 10 times the Sun's or about 5500 astronomical units), that Jupiter essentially appears 1/10th the size of the Sun from that distance, so it doesn't really work at focusing the Sun's rays. You still get a lot more light direct from the Sun, which at that distance, would just be the brightest dot in the sky, with Jupiter blocking more light than it lenses in the observer's direction. You get more light from the Sun when Jupiter isn't blocking the sun at that distance.

Gravitational lensing works best when the lensing object is either very massive, so it pulls in light from a sizable area, or if it's larger than the object that's being studied. That is, You could use Jupiter's gravitational lensing to study an exoplanet, which is incredibly tiny to our observation light years away, but the gravitational bending of light by Jupiter gives a very distorted image of the incredibly tiny/distant object, but that distorted image would have a great deal more information. In that scenario, Jupiter would focus much more light from the very distant, very dim object, but only because the object is effectively so small by our observation.

Maybe somebody here knows how to run the math for gravitational lensing brightness, but it varies on how pin-point the object you want to get a better look at is, so it's not a simple one line formula.

With the case of the Sun and Jupiter, the Sun being larger, it doesn't really work. A black hole could image something larger than itself, but a black hole bends a lot more light than Jupiter does and it's so called "focal point" begins much closer.

A magnifying glass, which focuses sunlight to a point (and this only works because the sun is so distant that the rays of light are essentially parallel), that focused sunlight can never be hotter than the surface of the Sun itself. That's a law ([xkcd did a nice bit about that](https://what-if.xkcd.com/145/))

The focused (but very blurred) image that a planet makes at it's gravitational lensing point wouldn't come close to hot enough to cook ants, if that's your goal. A better way to think about it would be looking through a telescope, but the image is spread out into a ring but not that bright. Maybe with a perfect scenario, like a black hole or neutron star and a star in the distance, you might get some brightness, but still much less concentration than a magnifying glass can give you because it doesn't focus at a point, it's more of a range.

If you make your question more specific, somebody might be able to give you a more exact mathematical answer.

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Also, at 5500 AU, the area Sunlight is being focused at by Jupiter is moving at approximately 13,600 km/s  perpendicular to the radial vector from the Sun. Getting something out that far, and _then_ running it up to 4.5% of c poses its own set of problems.  And it must supply a centripetal acceleration of 0.22 m/s^2 from on-board sources to keep circling.  
> **username_2**: see also [this answer](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/a/39811/7982) to *Would a black hole passing next to a star create a deadly focal point due to gravitational lensing?* and perhaps [Can a supernova or a close passing star create a transient sun gravity focus “habitable zone”?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/40999/7982)  
> **username_4**: @notovny  Good information.   I hadn't considered that Jupiter moves much too fast for this to work..  

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