<h2>Signal-to-noise ratio</h2>
<p>In addition to what others have said, it is very important to understand the difference between just <em>detecting</em> something and decoding a useful <em>signal</em> from it. The CMB is essentially random noise – in fact, that's how it was <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#History" rel="noreferrer">discovered in the first place</a>! Still, in normal conditions it is easily drowned by other noise sources and was only accidentally found when researchers tried to build an antenna that was shielded as best as possible from all <em>then-known</em> sources of noise.</p>
<p>Your computer or phone, on the other hand, isn't just trying to detect the <em>presence</em> of some microwave radiation emanating from your Wi-Fi – that wouldn't be very useful for transferring data! What it tries to do, instead, is to latch onto <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation" rel="noreferrer">modulation</a> – the ridiculously tiny changes in amplitude or frequency, occuring millions of times per second, that decode the actual <em>data</em> (websites, video, music…) being transmitted. This is very much analogous to hearing someone talking from a distance or in another room: just because you can hear it happening doesn't mean you can make out the words!</p>
<p>The situation is often much worse than that, however. Imagine that there's a coctail party in your home. A dozen people are having different conversations simultaneously, and you're trying to focus on one specific conversation. Without moving physically near the person who's talking, all the words are just going to muddle together into an unintelligible chatter. Similarly, especially in urban environments, there are other people's Wi-Fis doing their own thing, talking to other people's computers, all contributing to a constant background of microwave noise.</p>
<p>In addition, just like voice is reflected and refracted by walls and other solid structures, so are radio waves. A house or an apartment is a complex echo chamber where parts of the signal bounce around and arrive at the receiver muddled and with some degree of delay. These echoes are another source of noise that must be considered.</p>
<p>There are many clever mechanisms devised to maintain communication in spite of high levels of background noise.</p>
<ul>
<li>First and most obviously, you can SHOUT: transfer a more powerful signal that's less easily drowned by noise. Unfortunately, SHOUTING microwaves has the side effect of heating things up, which is how microwave ovens work. Thus Wi-Fi devices must resort to more like  .</li>
<li>Second, you can make your voice stand out more by speaking with a <sup>higher</sup> or <sub>lower</sub> voice, and similarly two radio communicating devices can agree on a frequency or set of frequencies that's as clear as possible at the moment. Indeed, you can continually <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum" rel="noreferrer">hop from channel to channel</a> in search for the least crowded frequency.</li>
<li>Third, you can speak slower to make yourself more intelligible. This, again, is negotiated automatically by radio devices. Besides transmitting at a lower speed, you can send every piece of data multiple times until the receiver tells you that they got the whole thing. But how do they know whether the data is good or not? This brings us to…</li>
<li>…Error detection and correction. By utilizing clever algorithms, it is possible to encode data in a form that contains some redundant information that can be used in the other end to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum" rel="noreferrer">check</a> that the actual data (called &quot;payload&quot;) came through cleanly, and even to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code" rel="noreferrer">reconstruct parts of corrupted data</a> based on the extra information received.</li>
</ul>
<p>Ultimately, however, if the communicating devices deem it impossible to achieve a reliable connection, even a moderately slow one, they tend to give up rather than expose the user to extremely poor experience. This is often less frustrating than sustaining a really shaky connection, especially when the user can do something about it such as physically moving closer to the hotspot.</p>
<p>Going back to the cosmic microwave background, it turns out that it is <em>not</em> totally random and uniform after all. There are ever-so-slight variations in the temperature in different parts of the sky, a tiny signal that can tell us a lot about the conditions of the early universe, but detecting those deviations on the ground, in the middle of all sorts of noise sources and beneath a microwave-absorbing shell of air, is nigh impossible. We have only been able to map the variations in the CMB using very precise instruments launched into space, where they can listen to the deep space outside the atmosphere and away from most sources of noise.</p>

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JohannesD
<p>There's higher quantity of atoms in your 20cm wall than there is in the 13.8 billion light-years travelling to the CMB, so the wifi waves hit atoms on their travel.</p>
<p>Space has an average density of 5.9 protons per cubic meter, that's 10^-25 g/m3, and there are only 1.22*10^26m to travel to the CMB source.</p>
<p>The CMB is an omni directional transmitter source, it's transmitter area is more than 10^52m2, and the wifi transmitter is perhaps 10mm2, so the inverse square law applies differently to the CMB.</p>
<p>Why do long wavelength photons pass through rocks and X-rays don't? Perhaps it's the same as walking through a field with a metal detector: the faster you wave the metal detector going forwards, the more chance you have to hit something, so radio waves are like waving the metal detector once every mile, and X-rays are like waving the metal detector frantically.</p>

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@BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Yes, [absorption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_(electromagnetic_radiation)) is the correct term. When a photon of the correct energy strikes an an atom it is absorbed. The energy is stored by raising the molecule to a higher vibration level ([excited](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state)). It can drop to lower levels without emitting a new photon, but when it drops to its ground state it will emit a new photon. A [Jablonski diagram](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jablonski_diagram) illustrates this.
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<p>Electromagnetic radiation will continue to travel until it is absorbed.  Some of your wifi signal is escaping to space where it may continue traveling for a very long time.</p>
<p>However, the strength of your wifi signal will degrade with distance according to the <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law#Light_and_other_electromagnetic_radiation" rel="noreferrer">inverse square law</a>.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Gc8d5.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Gc8d5.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p>So if you double the distance between your device and the wifi transmitter, your signal will be reduced by 3/4. When you move far enough away, eventually your signal will degrade enough that your device will no longer be able to decode the signal.  So the radiation doesn't &quot;disappear&quot; but instead, your device will just be able to pick up less of the energy.  Of course, if you separate the device and transmitter by a concrete wall, some of the signal will actually be &quot;disappearing&quot; as it is absorbed by the wall.</p>
<p>The CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) on the other hand, was not emitted from a point source, and is not subject to the inverse square law.  Instead, as <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background" rel="noreferrer">wikipedia</a> points out, the CMB</p>
<blockquote>
<p>is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual
variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of
a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the
current size of the universe.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So one can imagine that wherever we are in the universe, we can point an antenna in any direction and get about the same amount of signal (excepting Doppler shift) from the CMB. Of course, if we point our antenna towards existing matter, we will expect some or all of the CMB to have been absorbed in that direction. In many cases, astronomers can tell a lot about the composition of gas in absorption based on the narrow frequencies of the CMB that was absorbed. Back in the early 2000s, I spent quite a bit of time looking for cosmic formaldehyde in absorption lines of the CMB near the center of our galaxy, as an indicator for early star formation.</p>

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Turns out, the birth of a universe is a rather powerful signal source, and also that the entire observed universe is a rather large emitter surface.
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Another factor is the size of the antennas being used to pick up the signal.  You tablet, cell phone, or other device used to pick up your WiFi signal is pretty tiny.  The antennae used to detect the CMB are quite a bit bigger: ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation  If you used a similar-sized antenna for your WiFi, you could detect it quite a bit further away - assuming nothing absorbed it, of course.
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@jamesqf Yes, with an antennae that size on both ends, you'd have signal for at least hundreds of kilometers (or miles, it really doesn't matter on this scale).
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Also: CMB is more or less noise, while Wi-Fi is a discrete signal. If you trim your receiver to just verify that there is *a wifi signal* your "range" would also see significant improvements.
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@user25375: The problem is that you'd have to use a space-based telescope, otherwise those WiFi signals would be blocked by the horizon.  However, we can go the other way: New Horizons transmits at 12 watts, the Voyagers at 22.4 watts, yet with a large enough antenna that signal is detectable from well beyond the orbit of Pluto.
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<p>Cosmic background radiation emitted when the Universe was very young still exists. But my wifi signal seems to disappear a short distance from my apartment. Why?</p>

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*Great question!* Because I tried then failed to add an answer here, I've just asked [Is the universe macroscopically transparent to CMB? Is the fraction intercepted by stars and dust so tiny that it doesn't have a correction factor?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/43458/7982)
uhoh
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100mW WiFi radio transmitter vs most of the universe's known mass (CMB)?
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Imagine to be at the center of a sphere made of routers or WiFi emitting devices. This should answer your question. Yet Connor Garcia put up a nice answer.
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@fraxinus It's not really a fair fight since the CMB has around $1.4 \times 10^{89}$ photons, which is two orders of magnitude greater than all the photons emitted from any other source (star, supernova, black hole jet, etc...) since the great scattering .  See https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/276890/how-to-calculate-how-many-photons-are-in-the-universe
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@ConnorGarcia this number is over the observable universe or what?
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@fraxinus Yep, over the observable universe
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@ConnorGarcia So a googol is still more than *everything* ;-).
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Why do some electromagnetic waves continue travelling while others disappear?
David
# Why do some electromagnetic waves continue travelling while others disappear?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-04-18)

Cosmic background radiation emitted when the Universe was very young still exists. But my wifi signal seems to disappear a short distance from my apartment. Why?

**Tags:** wavelength, electromagnetic-spectrum
> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: *Great question!* Because I tried then failed to add an answer here, I've just asked [Is the universe macroscopically transparent to CMB? Is the fraction intercepted by stars and dust so tiny that it doesn't have a correction factor?](https://astronomy.stackexchange.com/q/43458/7982)  
> **username_2**: 100mW WiFi radio transmitter vs most of the universe's known mass (CMB)?  
> **username_3**: Imagine to be at the center of a sphere made of routers or WiFi emitting devices. This should answer your question. Yet Connor Garcia put up a nice answer.  
> **username_4**: @fraxinus It's not really a fair fight since the CMB has around $1.4 \times 10^{89}$ photons, which is two orders of magnitude greater than all the photons emitted from any other source (star, supernova, black hole jet, etc...) since the great scattering .  See https://physics.stackexchange.com/questions/276890/how-to-calculate-how-many-photons-are-in-the-universe  
> **username_2**: @ConnorGarcia this number is over the observable universe or what?  
> **username_4**: @fraxinus Yep, over the observable universe  
> **username_5**: @ConnorGarcia So a googol is still more than *everything* ;-).  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2021-04-18. Score: 50 | Accepted answer

Electromagnetic radiation will continue to travel until it is absorbed. Some of your wifi signal is escaping to space where it may continue traveling for a very long time.

However, the strength of your wifi signal will degrade with distance according to the [inverse square law](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverse-square_law#Light_and_other_electromagnetic_radiation).

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/Gc8d5.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/Gc8d5.png)

So if you double the distance between your device and the wifi transmitter, your signal will be reduced by 3/4. When you move far enough away, eventually your signal will degrade enough that your device will no longer be able to decode the signal. So the radiation doesn't "disappear" but instead, your device will just be able to pick up less of the energy. Of course, if you separate the device and transmitter by a concrete wall, some of the signal will actually be "disappearing" as it is absorbed by the wall.

The CMB (Cosmic Microwave Background) on the other hand, was not emitted from a point source, and is not subject to the inverse square law. Instead, as [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_microwave_background) points out, the CMB

> is very nearly uniform in all directions, but the tiny residual
> variations show a very specific pattern, the same as that expected of
> a fairly uniformly distributed hot gas that has expanded to the
> current size of the universe.

So one can imagine that wherever we are in the universe, we can point an antenna in any direction and get about the same amount of signal (excepting Doppler shift) from the CMB. Of course, if we point our antenna towards existing matter, we will expect some or all of the CMB to have been absorbed in that direction. In many cases, astronomers can tell a lot about the composition of gas in absorption based on the narrow frequencies of the CMB that was absorbed. Back in the early 2000s, I spent quite a bit of time looking for cosmic formaldehyde in absorption lines of the CMB near the center of our galaxy, as an indicator for early star formation.

> **Comments:**
> **username_9**: Turns out, the birth of a universe is a rather powerful signal source, and also that the entire observed universe is a rather large emitter surface.  
> **username_10**: Another factor is the size of the antennas being used to pick up the signal.  You tablet, cell phone, or other device used to pick up your WiFi signal is pretty tiny.  The antennae used to detect the CMB are quite a bit bigger: ttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation  If you used a similar-sized antenna for your WiFi, you could detect it quite a bit further away - assuming nothing absorbed it, of course.  
> **username_11**: @jamesqf Yes, with an antennae that size on both ends, you'd have signal for at least hundreds of kilometers (or miles, it really doesn't matter on this scale).  
> **username_12**: Also: CMB is more or less noise, while Wi-Fi is a discrete signal. If you trim your receiver to just verify that there is *a wifi signal* your "range" would also see significant improvements.  
> **username_10**: @user25375: The problem is that you'd have to use a space-based telescope, otherwise those WiFi signals would be blocked by the horizon.  However, we can go the other way: New Horizons transmits at 12 watts, the Voyagers at 22.4 watts, yet with a large enough antenna that signal is detectable from well beyond the orbit of Pluto.  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2021-04-19. Score: 14

## Signal-to-noise ratio

In addition to what others have said, it is very important to understand the difference between just *detecting* something and decoding a useful *signal* from it. The CMB is essentially random noise – in fact, that's how it was [discovered in the first place](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_of_cosmic_microwave_background_radiation#History)! Still, in normal conditions it is easily drowned by other noise sources and was only accidentally found when researchers tried to build an antenna that was shielded as best as possible from all *then-known* sources of noise.

Your computer or phone, on the other hand, isn't just trying to detect the *presence* of some microwave radiation emanating from your Wi-Fi – that wouldn't be very useful for transferring data! What it tries to do, instead, is to latch onto [modulation](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modulation) – the ridiculously tiny changes in amplitude or frequency, occuring millions of times per second, that decode the actual *data* (websites, video, music…) being transmitted. This is very much analogous to hearing someone talking from a distance or in another room: just because you can hear it happening doesn't mean you can make out the words!

The situation is often much worse than that, however. Imagine that there's a coctail party in your home. A dozen people are having different conversations simultaneously, and you're trying to focus on one specific conversation. Without moving physically near the person who's talking, all the words are just going to muddle together into an unintelligible chatter. Similarly, especially in urban environments, there are other people's Wi-Fis doing their own thing, talking to other people's computers, all contributing to a constant background of microwave noise.

In addition, just like voice is reflected and refracted by walls and other solid structures, so are radio waves. A house or an apartment is a complex echo chamber where parts of the signal bounce around and arrive at the receiver muddled and with some degree of delay. These echoes are another source of noise that must be considered.

There are many clever mechanisms devised to maintain communication in spite of high levels of background noise.

* First and most obviously, you can SHOUT: transfer a more powerful signal that's less easily drowned by noise. Unfortunately, SHOUTING microwaves has the side effect of heating things up, which is how microwave ovens work. Thus Wi-Fi devices must resort to more like .
* Second, you can make your voice stand out more by speaking with a higher or lower voice, and similarly two radio communicating devices can agree on a frequency or set of frequencies that's as clear as possible at the moment. Indeed, you can continually [hop from channel to channel](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency-hopping_spread_spectrum) in search for the least crowded frequency.
* Third, you can speak slower to make yourself more intelligible. This, again, is negotiated automatically by radio devices. Besides transmitting at a lower speed, you can send every piece of data multiple times until the receiver tells you that they got the whole thing. But how do they know whether the data is good or not? This brings us to…
* …Error detection and correction. By utilizing clever algorithms, it is possible to encode data in a form that contains some redundant information that can be used in the other end to [check](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Checksum) that the actual data (called "payload") came through cleanly, and even to [reconstruct parts of corrupted data](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Error_correction_code) based on the extra information received.

Ultimately, however, if the communicating devices deem it impossible to achieve a reliable connection, even a moderately slow one, they tend to give up rather than expose the user to extremely poor experience. This is often less frustrating than sustaining a really shaky connection, especially when the user can do something about it such as physically moving closer to the hotspot.

Going back to the cosmic microwave background, it turns out that it is *not* totally random and uniform after all. There are ever-so-slight variations in the temperature in different parts of the sky, a tiny signal that can tell us a lot about the conditions of the early universe, but detecting those deviations on the ground, in the middle of all sorts of noise sources and beneath a microwave-absorbing shell of air, is nigh impossible. We have only been able to map the variations in the CMB using very precise instruments launched into space, where they can listen to the deep space outside the atmosphere and away from most sources of noise.


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### Answer by username_7 on 2021-04-19. Score: 11

There's higher quantity of atoms in your 20cm wall than there is in the 13.8 billion light-years travelling to the CMB, so the wifi waves hit atoms on their travel.

Space has an average density of 5.9 protons per cubic meter, that's 10^-25 g/m3, and there are only 1.22\*10^26m to travel to the CMB source.

The CMB is an omni directional transmitter source, it's transmitter area is more than 10^52m2, and the wifi transmitter is perhaps 10mm2, so the inverse square law applies differently to the CMB.

Why do long wavelength photons pass through rocks and X-rays don't? Perhaps it's the same as walking through a field with a metal detector: the faster you wave the metal detector going forwards, the more chance you have to hit something, so radio waves are like waving the metal detector once every mile, and X-rays are like waving the metal detector frantically.

> **Comments:**
> **username_8**: @BlueRaja-DannyPflughoeft Yes, [absorption](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absorption_(electromagnetic_radiation)) is the correct term. When a photon of the correct energy strikes an an atom it is absorbed. The energy is stored by raising the molecule to a higher vibration level ([excited](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excited_state)). It can drop to lower levels without emitting a new photon, but when it drops to its ground state it will emit a new photon. A [Jablonski diagram](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jablonski_diagram) illustrates this.  

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