<p>I mostly print mechanical parts and thus need dimensional accuracy.
When calibrating my printer I stumbled over the fact, that some people calibrate flowrate with single wall prints which would give you a good measurement for your new flowrate. Doing this will on the other hand lead to underextrusion as you print perfect circular lines that only touch in a single point/line, leading in worst case to delamination. So you'd have to crank up the flowrate at least for the internal walls to fill out the &quot;square&quot;-corners (Cross section image B) you want to fill up as well.
Doing this is already better, but could lead to a poorly connected outer wall to the rest of the print. Thus an idea (which isn't supported by Cura slicer):</p>
<p><strong>For a dimensional print without air gaps</strong>, shouldn't the:</p>
<ul>
<li>1st outer wall be printed to be the perfect diameter</li>
<li>2nd outer wall be printed with higher flowrate, to fill what the 1st is missing and fill up square corner</li>
<li>rest of inner walls fill up the missing square corners</li>
</ul>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/qD2eC.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/qD2eC.png" alt="A) Optimization from equal flow to full true dimensional prints B) visualization of cross section for square corners" /></a></p>
<p>Probably the best fill up will be reached by printing the second outer wall after the outer and inner walls as it wouldn't go under the 1st walls cavity on its own.</p>
<p>Image (Simplified cross section of a single layer and its printed geometry):</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>A1</strong>: Print with all the same flowrate, each line is printed with the nozzles diameter (Danger of delamination)</li>
<li><strong>A2</strong>: Print with 3 different flowrates. 1st outer wall with nozzle-sized lines. 2nd outer wall with highest flow to fill cavities under 1st OW and to fill up corners (air gaps), inner walls with medium flow to fill corners</li>
<li><strong>A3</strong>: ideal flow into corners and cavities</li>
<li><strong>A4</strong>: perfect result to aim for</li>
</ul>
<p><strong>Now some questions:</strong></p>
<ol>
<li>Is this already possible with other slicers?</li>
<li>Do you have done that and can share thoughts?</li>
<li>Are there any drawbacks you see doing this?</li>
</ol>

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2021-02-28T14:55:27.623Z
Deposition of filament is not according to the sketched image under 1. A printer should never deposit round lines, they are pressed down, so you get more flattened lines. The question on underextrusion is a valid question.
0scar
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2021-02-28T17:56:35.390Z
Thx, you are absolutely correct. I forget to mention the image is highly simplified to keep the eye on the main question/problem i want to address. I think the point of "the second outer wall is actually requiring more flow than the very outer and the other inner walls" is still valid thus the question if someone tried it out etc.
constant-flow
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2022-03-21T04:34:53.173Z
Did you ever figure this out?
Taudris
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2022-03-22T11:05:25.457Z
Unfortunately I don't have deeper insight in how different slicers handle this. So far I didn't see a slicer, which offers that degree of freedom, to change the 2nd wall to a different extrusion rate. Nor have I found the time to manipulate an open-source slicer to do that.

I hope someone with deeper slicer knowledge comes across this post and is either having a point why "there is no underextrusion" or is inspired to test it out, and maybe add it to the code to improve print quality.
constant-flow
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2024-05-23T14:26:39.210Z
Looks like Slic3r was coming up with something very close to what i was thinking about. They call it 'Precise Wall' and get better results by varying the distance between the outer lines: https://github.com/SoftFever/OrcaSlicer/wiki/Precise-wall
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Wouldn't a higher flowrate for 2nd outer wall increase the print quality?
constant-flow
# Wouldn't a higher flowrate for 2nd outer wall increase the print quality?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-02-28)

I mostly print mechanical parts and thus need dimensional accuracy.
When calibrating my printer I stumbled over the fact, that some people calibrate flowrate with single wall prints which would give you a good measurement for your new flowrate. Doing this will on the other hand lead to underextrusion as you print perfect circular lines that only touch in a single point/line, leading in worst case to delamination. So you'd have to crank up the flowrate at least for the internal walls to fill out the "square"-corners (Cross section image B) you want to fill up as well.
Doing this is already better, but could lead to a poorly connected outer wall to the rest of the print. Thus an idea (which isn't supported by Cura slicer):

**For a dimensional print without air gaps**, shouldn't the:

* 1st outer wall be printed to be the perfect diameter
* 2nd outer wall be printed with higher flowrate, to fill what the 1st is missing and fill up square corner
* rest of inner walls fill up the missing square corners

[![A) Optimization from equal flow to full true dimensional prints B) visualization of cross section for square corners](https://i.sstatic.net/qD2eC.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/qD2eC.png)

Probably the best fill up will be reached by printing the second outer wall after the outer and inner walls as it wouldn't go under the 1st walls cavity on its own.

Image (Simplified cross section of a single layer and its printed geometry):

* **A1**: Print with all the same flowrate, each line is printed with the nozzles diameter (Danger of delamination)
* **A2**: Print with 3 different flowrates. 1st outer wall with nozzle-sized lines. 2nd outer wall with highest flow to fill cavities under 1st OW and to fill up corners (air gaps), inner walls with medium flow to fill corners
* **A3**: ideal flow into corners and cavities
* **A4**: perfect result to aim for

**Now some questions:**

1. Is this already possible with other slicers?
2. Do you have done that and can share thoughts?
3. Are there any drawbacks you see doing this?

**Tags:** print-quality, ultimaker-cura, slicing, dimensional-accuracy

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Deposition of filament is not according to the sketched image under 1. A printer should never deposit round lines, they are pressed down, so you get more flattened lines. The question on underextrusion is a valid question.  
> **username_0**: Thx, you are absolutely correct. I forget to mention the image is highly simplified to keep the eye on the main question/problem i want to address. I think the point of "the second outer wall is actually requiring more flow than the very outer and the other inner walls" is still valid thus the question if someone tried it out etc.  
> **username_2**: Did you ever figure this out?  
> **username_0**: Unfortunately I don't have deeper insight in how different slicers handle this. So far I didn't see a slicer, which offers that degree of freedom, to change the 2nd wall to a different extrusion rate. Nor have I found the time to manipulate an open-source slicer to do that.  I hope someone with deeper slicer knowledge comes across this post and is either having a point why "there is no underextrusion" or is inspired to test it out, and maybe add it to the code to improve print quality.  
> **username_0**: Looks like Slic3r was coming up with something very close to what i was thinking about. They call it 'Precise Wall' and get better results by varying the distance between the outer lines: https://github.com/SoftFever/OrcaSlicer/wiki/Precise-wall  

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