<p>0scar and Trish both had correct solutions to my problem.</p>
<p>0scar suggested that I clean the nozzle, which I thought I had because the needle that came with the printer was able to slide through the hot end and out the nozzle without any issue. Turns out the hot end was clogged though. This particular hot end has a bowden tube that's separate from the actual bowden tube connected to the extruder gear, and that separate tube was clogged.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/AOlT9nf.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/AOlT9nf.jpg" alt="bowden tube clogged" /></a></p>
<p>Trish was correct about the slicing profile being incorrect and that the problem was under extrusion. The filament provided by Sunlu with the printer seems to be fine. I let the printer run for 25 minutes and only had a slight issue with the filament on the spool not being tight enough when printing the raft. I'm currently running another print and haven't had any issues -- only 15 minutes in.</p>
<p>Anyway, here's the 25 minutes print I was referring to (in the bottom left there's a glob of PLA because that's where the nozzle was when I stopped the print):</p>
<p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/PRCyb40.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/PRCyb40.jpg" alt="successful print" /></a></p>

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SilentWalrus
<p>The first photo shows under extrusion. This could indicate either a bad filament, a massive clog or the wrong filament diameter in the slicer.</p>
<p>I have experienced, that small demo-reels of filament that come with printers come damaged from the shipping: I have experienced some of them having been exposed to moisture in their zip-lock bags and one time I had no clue what kind of filament that was supposed to be, but it was not PLA, as it didn't properly melt at 200 °C. That might not be the case with your printer, but it leads me to caution towards those 20 g demo reels, so I always test with a known good reel of filament with a known melting point. If it was the wrong material (e.g. ABS), under extrusion due to a too low temperature would be normal. Damaged or bad filament can create several problems: non-uniform thickness can result in random stops in the extruder or underextrusion, waterlogged (&quot;wet&quot;) filament can print stringy, hissing, or even with underextrusion, brittle filament might break and result in aborted lines.</p>
<p>A clog in the nozzle could lead to under extrusion but should also show clicking in the extruder (the motor moving the filament). Checking the whole filament path (nozzle, heat break, liner &amp; Bowden tube) for clogs should be done. However, that would be a massive clog to get your depicted prints. It might be a factor impacting it though.</p>
<p>Sometimes, setting up a printer in a slicer is not perfect: You need to make sure the filament diameter fits! 1.75 mm might be the <em>de facto</em> standard, but most slicers are set up with 2.75 mm as filament diameter in the presets for a self-configured printer! That means you only extrude about a third of the filament you actually want! That would be super consistent with your picture but doesn't need to be the only factor.</p>

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Trish
<p>This is my first 3D printer so I'm not entirely sure what could be the cause of this issue.</p>
<p>I recently got a SUNLU S8 3D printer and have been trying to print the first test file, however, the layers end up stringy (for lack of a better word -- if anyone knows whether this is called something else, I'd appreciate the knowledge because Google searching for stringy layers does not yield similar results).</p>
<p>Anyway, I tried to increase the nozzle temperature from 205 °C to 215 °C and that seems to help slightly (filament is PLA and came with the printer). I also noticed that the extruder's feeder gear is grinding on the filament so I suspect that may be part of the problem.</p>
<p>Before I purchase an extruder kit, I figured I'd reach out and ask this community what they think could be the problem.</p>
<p>Does anyone know what might be causing this issue?</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Pzyj9.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Pzyj9.jpg" alt="Stringy first couple layers" /></a></p>
<p><strong>Edit</strong></p>
<p>I cleaned the tubing and nozzle, and then releveled the bed. The filament was still stringy and whispy, however, I decided to let it print for a while. Although the picture is a top-down view, the walls of the print are also holey.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/HQhQQuv.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.imgur.com/HQhQQuv.jpg" alt="After Cleaning" /></a></p>

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Could you elaborate more on "the extruder is grinding on the filament"? Do you mean that the hotend is rubbing against the filament already extruded onto the build plate?
agarza
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@agarza sure, I mean the extruder gear and bearing. Before the filament reaches the nozzle, it travels through a tube, and the mechanism that feeds the filament into the tube is what I mean by the extruder.
SilentWalrus
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First clean the nozzle, you can do [hot or cold pulls](https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/a/6092/5740), if clean and still no normal extrusion, try to look into the path from extruder to nozzle, there might be some extra friction that causes the filament to be ground.
0scar
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@0scar I cleaned the nozzle out and releveled the bed, but the filament still appears to be thin and whispy once on the bed. I can see the extruder gear is still grinding along the filament.
SilentWalrus
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2021-03-02T09:43:40.170Z
underextrusion... often, the filament coming with the printer isn't very good...
Trish
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@Trish any recommendations for a filament? I thought Sunlu being a filament manufacturer would have provided a decent spool for the test print.
SilentWalrus
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It's not Sunlu PLA in general that is bad, but I have experienced that rolls of filament or samples that come with printers might have been exposed to unfavorable conditions - One sample spool I had wasn't protected at all but for a ziploc bag and was rather wet. If you have a proper vacuum sealed spool, that would give a better look. Also, please check your slicer if you have 1.75 or 2.85 mm filament set up.
Trish
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@Trish the setting was set to 2.85 mm so I changed it to 1.75 mm but that did not solve the issue. I ordered a spool of PLA, which should be here tomorrow, so I'm hoping that's the issue. Also, order an extruder gear kit in case that needs to be changed too.

Do you know how brittle PLA is supposed to be? The sample spool seemed vacuumed sealed, but I find the filament broken usually around the extruder gear after I shut the machine off and walk away for a while.
SilentWalrus
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2021-03-04T01:14:03.050Z
@Trish thank you for your help. I've updated my posting with a solution.
SilentWalrus
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@0scar thank you for your help. I've updated my posting with a solution.
SilentWalrus
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2021-03-04T09:28:24.657Z
Because troubleshooting is often tricky, Me and 0scar often wait with answers where many factors are possible to await your steps before making an answer.
Trish
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2021-03-04T09:56:59.820Z
@Trish Indeed, and to give others an opportunity to answer. 
0scar
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2021-03-04T10:00:44.847Z
Now that you have found the problem, and an answer has been posted, don't hold back and add your update in a separate answer. The format of SE requires questions to be questions, not containing answers. As a bonus you will be able to receive reputation from the answer also, you can even accept it after 48 hours. Thanks!
0scar
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2021-03-04T13:39:52.463Z
Thanks again for the help and suggestions. I removed my solution and posted it as an answer, but I feel a bit odd accepting that as the solution considering the solution to my problem came from the community.
SilentWalrus
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Stringy first layer (possible extruder issue?)
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# Stringy first layer (possible extruder issue?)

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-03-01)

This is my first 3D printer so I'm not entirely sure what could be the cause of this issue.

I recently got a SUNLU S8 3D printer and have been trying to print the first test file, however, the layers end up stringy (for lack of a better word -- if anyone knows whether this is called something else, I'd appreciate the knowledge because Google searching for stringy layers does not yield similar results).

Anyway, I tried to increase the nozzle temperature from 205 °C to 215 °C and that seems to help slightly (filament is PLA and came with the printer). I also noticed that the extruder's feeder gear is grinding on the filament so I suspect that may be part of the problem.

Before I purchase an extruder kit, I figured I'd reach out and ask this community what they think could be the problem.

Does anyone know what might be causing this issue?

[![Stringy first couple layers](https://i.sstatic.net/Pzyj9.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/Pzyj9.jpg)

**Edit**

I cleaned the tubing and nozzle, and then releveled the bed. The filament was still stringy and whispy, however, I decided to let it print for a while. Although the picture is a top-down view, the walls of the print are also holey.

[![After Cleaning](https://i.imgur.com/HQhQQuv.jpg)](https://i.imgur.com/HQhQQuv.jpg)

**Tags:** extruder, troubleshooting, underextrusion, stringing

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Could you elaborate more on "the extruder is grinding on the filament"? Do you mean that the hotend is rubbing against the filament already extruded onto the build plate?  
> **username_0**: @username_1 sure, I mean the extruder gear and bearing. Before the filament reaches the nozzle, it travels through a tube, and the mechanism that feeds the filament into the tube is what I mean by the extruder.  
> **username_2**: First clean the nozzle, you can do [hot or cold pulls](https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/a/6092/5740), if clean and still no normal extrusion, try to look into the path from extruder to nozzle, there might be some extra friction that causes the filament to be ground.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 I cleaned the nozzle out and releveled the bed, but the filament still appears to be thin and whispy once on the bed. I can see the extruder gear is still grinding along the filament.  
> **username_3**: underextrusion... often, the filament coming with the printer isn't very good...  
> **username_0**: @username_3 any recommendations for a filament? I thought Sunlu being a filament manufacturer would have provided a decent spool for the test print.  
> **username_3**: It's not Sunlu PLA in general that is bad, but I have experienced that rolls of filament or samples that come with printers might have been exposed to unfavorable conditions - One sample spool I had wasn't protected at all but for a ziploc bag and was rather wet. If you have a proper vacuum sealed spool, that would give a better look. Also, please check your slicer if you have 1.75 or 2.85 mm filament set up.  
> **username_0**: @username_3 the setting was set to 2.85 mm so I changed it to 1.75 mm but that did not solve the issue. I ordered a spool of PLA, which should be here tomorrow, so I'm hoping that's the issue. Also, order an extruder gear kit in case that needs to be changed too.  Do you know how brittle PLA is supposed to be? The sample spool seemed vacuumed sealed, but I find the filament broken usually around the extruder gear after I shut the machine off and walk away for a while.  
> **username_0**: @username_3 thank you for your help. I've updated my posting with a solution.  
> **username_0**: @username_2 thank you for your help. I've updated my posting with a solution.  
> **username_3**: Because troubleshooting is often tricky, Me and username_2 often wait with answers where many factors are possible to await your steps before making an answer.  
> **username_2**: @username_3 Indeed, and to give others an opportunity to answer.   
> **username_2**: Now that you have found the problem, and an answer has been posted, don't hold back and add your update in a separate answer. The format of SE requires questions to be questions, not containing answers. As a bonus you will be able to receive reputation from the answer also, you can even accept it after 48 hours. Thanks!  
> **username_0**: Thanks again for the help and suggestions. I removed my solution and posted it as an answer, but I feel a bit odd accepting that as the solution considering the solution to my problem came from the community.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2021-03-04. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

username_2 and username_3 both had correct solutions to my problem.

username_2 suggested that I clean the nozzle, which I thought I had because the needle that came with the printer was able to slide through the hot end and out the nozzle without any issue. Turns out the hot end was clogged though. This particular hot end has a bowden tube that's separate from the actual bowden tube connected to the extruder gear, and that separate tube was clogged.

[![bowden tube clogged](https://i.imgur.com/AOlT9nf.jpg)](https://i.imgur.com/AOlT9nf.jpg)

username_3 was correct about the slicing profile being incorrect and that the problem was under extrusion. The filament provided by Sunlu with the printer seems to be fine. I let the printer run for 25 minutes and only had a slight issue with the filament on the spool not being tight enough when printing the raft. I'm currently running another print and haven't had any issues -- only 15 minutes in.

Anyway, here's the 25 minutes print I was referring to (in the bottom left there's a glob of PLA because that's where the nozzle was when I stopped the print):

[![successful print](https://i.imgur.com/PRCyb40.jpg)](https://i.imgur.com/PRCyb40.jpg)


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### Answer by username_3 on 2021-03-04. Score: 1

The first photo shows under extrusion. This could indicate either a bad filament, a massive clog or the wrong filament diameter in the slicer.

I have experienced, that small demo-reels of filament that come with printers come damaged from the shipping: I have experienced some of them having been exposed to moisture in their zip-lock bags and one time I had no clue what kind of filament that was supposed to be, but it was not PLA, as it didn't properly melt at 200 °C. That might not be the case with your printer, but it leads me to caution towards those 20 g demo reels, so I always test with a known good reel of filament with a known melting point. If it was the wrong material (e.g. ABS), under extrusion due to a too low temperature would be normal. Damaged or bad filament can create several problems: non-uniform thickness can result in random stops in the extruder or underextrusion, waterlogged ("wet") filament can print stringy, hissing, or even with underextrusion, brittle filament might break and result in aborted lines.

A clog in the nozzle could lead to under extrusion but should also show clicking in the extruder (the motor moving the filament). Checking the whole filament path (nozzle, heat break, liner & Bowden tube) for clogs should be done. However, that would be a massive clog to get your depicted prints. It might be a factor impacting it though.

Sometimes, setting up a printer in a slicer is not perfect: You need to make sure the filament diameter fits! 1.75 mm might be the *de facto* standard, but most slicers are set up with 2.75 mm as filament diameter in the presets for a self-configured printer! That means you only extrude about a third of the filament you actually want! That would be super consistent with your picture but doesn't need to be the only factor.


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