<p>First, you shouldn't need a raft for most PLA prints. That will help you get better bed adhesion at lower temperatures.</p>

<p>Second, you can reduce the stringing by increasing travel speeds (120&nbsp;mm/s is not too fast) and a small amount of retraction: around 1.5&nbsp;mm for direct drive and 5-6&nbsp;mm for bowden.</p>

<p>With those settings, you should be able to print most PLA with a bed at anywhere from 50-60&nbsp;&deg;C and an extruder at anywhere from 190 to 215&nbsp;&deg;C.</p>

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Joel Coehoorn
<p>Try bed at 50°C and hotend at 215°C, these are safe values.</p>

<p>Enable retraction in the slicer, to avoid/reduce oozing during long moves, but with Bowden setups finding a good value is trickier. Try with 6 mm.</p>

<p>Set the first layer height properly, but do it AFTER the bed has been heated for 5-10 minutes.</p>

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Hotend at 215 produces huge amounts of filament dripping from the nozzle on long moves, even with retraction at 1mm, I think a lot of filament is molten and does not retract. MP10 mini firmware doesn't allow setting first layer height.
Snowbody
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1mm is way too short for a bowden extruder. 5 is the absolute minimum and it probably should be higher. All 1mm will do is slightly relieve the pressure (compression of the filament/stretch of the bowden tube) at the nozzle; it won't move the filament back at all, and pressure will cause it to keep oozing out.
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@Snowbody: first layer height is set by slicing software not by the printer firmware.
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I didn't notice the Bowden setup. I modified the answer.
FarO
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<p>If you get one of those lazer pointer thermometer things from the hardware store for checking the temperature of hot water pipes and stuff you can usually heat your hot end up and look at the actual temperature of your nozzle.  If it's  hotter or colder than the temperature that your filment is rated for them there should be a line of code in your firmware that will allow you to offset the temperature making it perfectly calibrated spot on.  Then you should never have to change it ever again</p>

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Calibrating the temperature sensor is not very interesting, first, the sensors operate with a large uncertainty, second, filaments are rated for a wide interval. It is you who needs to find the optimum printing sweet spot, we do that by printing [temperature towers](/q/7345). Basically, exchanging temperatures is not very useful, just try to find your printer/filament combo.
0scar
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I doubt those thermometers stay accurate at 150+°C. I tried a FLIR camera (technically the same principle) and it tops at 160-170°C, and loses reliability well before that.
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<p>Here is the important information from your question:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>If I set the temperatures high enough to allow initial sticking, the raft prints okay, but after that the filament leaks out of the nozzle during long moves producing strings (only a little unsightly when outside the print area, but causing bumps when moves over the build and eventually the nozzle knocks into them) and all solid flat areas (ceilings/floors) warp.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>If you have material leaking from the nozzle during moves, this means your retraction settings are wrong - either off entirely, or insufficient distance. As I understand it your printer has a bowden extruder, so retraction distance needs to be at least 5 mm and probably 6 to 6.5 mm. Note that "Retract at layer change" is a separate and independent option from "Enable retraction", and is not really important; "Enable retraction" is the one that must be on. "Retraction Minimum Travel" should also be set very low (the Cura default of twice the line width, or slightly lower than that, is probably good).</p>

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<p>As @Fernando Balthazar had suggested, the z-offset was wrong. I needed to bring the nozzle and the bed closer together. The printer's default is -0.50 mm, I had to change to -0.78 mm or so to get it to stick. But then I need to reduce set it back to -0.50 or -0.40 during the print to avoid the nozzle banging into the model.</p>

<p>I used 205C for nozzle and 35C for bed and it works great, virtually no warping.</p>

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...and, come to think of it, better that futzing with the z-offset would be to find a working z-offset and change the filament settings to indicate that the filament is thicker, so as to avoid the nozzle banging into the model.
Snowbody
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Snowbody
<p>I have a Monoprice MP10 Mini, a cut-down Creality CR-10 with lobotomized firmware. Heated bed.</p>

<p>I'm trying to do PLA prints, but have been unable to find a usable temperature.</p>

<p>If I set the temperatures (either nozzle or bed) too low, the initial raft layers don't stick, the print shrivels up, and the result is a tangle.</p>

<p>If I set the temperatures high enough to allow initial sticking, the raft prints okay, but after that the filament leaks out of the nozzle during long moves producing strings (only a little unsightly when outside the print area, but causing bumps when moves over the build and eventually the nozzle knocks into them) and all solid flat areas (ceilings/floors) warp.</p>

<p>If I start with a high temp but reduce it during the print, the layers stop sticking to each other, solid areas still warp, and the printer eventually fails to extrude anything (presumably the filament congeals inside the extruder or tube, that's very unpleasant to recover from, fortunately I have some cleaning filament).</p>

<p>Tried with multiple types of filament and multiple models (from thingiverse, converted into gcode using cura 3.6)</p>

<p>What should I be trying?</p>

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I would start reslicing for bed 50, hotend 200 and no raft. Start with a calibration cube.
0scar
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uncalibrated Z height, offset vs bed level has changed.
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Can't find a usable temperature for PLA
Snowbody
# Can't find a usable temperature for PLA

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-05-06)

I have a Monoprice MP10 Mini, a cut-down Creality CR-10 with lobotomized firmware. Heated bed.

I'm trying to do PLA prints, but have been unable to find a usable temperature.

If I set the temperatures (either nozzle or bed) too low, the initial raft layers don't stick, the print shrivels up, and the result is a tangle.

If I set the temperatures high enough to allow initial sticking, the raft prints okay, but after that the filament leaks out of the nozzle during long moves producing strings (only a little unsightly when outside the print area, but causing bumps when moves over the build and eventually the nozzle knocks into them) and all solid flat areas (ceilings/floors) warp.

If I start with a high temp but reduce it during the print, the layers stop sticking to each other, solid areas still warp, and the printer eventually fails to extrude anything (presumably the filament congeals inside the extruder or tube, that's very unpleasant to recover from, fortunately I have some cleaning filament).

Tried with multiple types of filament and multiple models (from thingiverse, converted into gcode using cura 3.6)

What should I be trying?

**Tags:** ultimaker-cura, filament, creality-cr-10, print-failure

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: I would start reslicing for bed 50, hotend 200 and no raft. Start with a calibration cube.  
> **username_2**: uncalibrated Z height, offset vs bed level has changed.  

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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2020-05-13. Score: 3

First, you shouldn't need a raft for most PLA prints. That will help you get better bed adhesion at lower temperatures.

Second, you can reduce the stringing by increasing travel speeds (120 mm/s is not too fast) and a small amount of retraction: around 1.5 mm for direct drive and 5-6 mm for bowden.

With those settings, you should be able to print most PLA with a bed at anywhere from 50-60 °C and an extruder at anywhere from 190 to 215 °C.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-05-06. Score: 2

Try bed at 50°C and hotend at 215°C, these are safe values.

Enable retraction in the slicer, to avoid/reduce oozing during long moves, but with Bowden setups finding a good value is trickier. Try with 6 mm.

Set the first layer height properly, but do it AFTER the bed has been heated for 5-10 minutes.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Hotend at 215 produces huge amounts of filament dripping from the nozzle on long moves, even with retraction at 1mm, I think a lot of filament is molten and does not retract. MP10 mini firmware doesn't allow setting first layer height.  
> **username_5**: 1mm is way too short for a bowden extruder. 5 is the absolute minimum and it probably should be higher. All 1mm will do is slightly relieve the pressure (compression of the filament/stretch of the bowden tube) at the nozzle; it won't move the filament back at all, and pressure will cause it to keep oozing out.  
> **username_5**: @username_0: first layer height is set by slicing software not by the printer firmware.  
> **username_4**: I didn't notice the Bowden setup. I modified the answer.  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2020-05-07. Score: 2

If you get one of those lazer pointer thermometer things from the hardware store for checking the temperature of hot water pipes and stuff you can usually heat your hot end up and look at the actual temperature of your nozzle. If it's hotter or colder than the temperature that your filment is rated for them there should be a line of code in your firmware that will allow you to offset the temperature making it perfectly calibrated spot on. Then you should never have to change it ever again

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Calibrating the temperature sensor is not very interesting, first, the sensors operate with a large uncertainty, second, filaments are rated for a wide interval. It is you who needs to find the optimum printing sweet spot, we do that by printing [temperature towers](/q/7345). Basically, exchanging temperatures is not very useful, just try to find your printer/filament combo.  
> **username_4**: I doubt those thermometers stay accurate at 150+°C. I tried a FLIR camera (technically the same principle) and it tops at 160-170°C, and loses reliability well before that.  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2020-05-07. Score: 2

Here is the important information from your question:

> If I set the temperatures high enough to allow initial sticking, the raft prints okay, but after that the filament leaks out of the nozzle during long moves producing strings (only a little unsightly when outside the print area, but causing bumps when moves over the build and eventually the nozzle knocks into them) and all solid flat areas (ceilings/floors) warp.

If you have material leaking from the nozzle during moves, this means your retraction settings are wrong - either off entirely, or insufficient distance. As I understand it your printer has a bowden extruder, so retraction distance needs to be at least 5 mm and probably 6 to 6.5 mm. Note that "Retract at layer change" is a separate and independent option from "Enable retraction", and is not really important; "Enable retraction" is the one that must be on. "Retraction Minimum Travel" should also be set very low (the Cura default of twice the line width, or slightly lower than that, is probably good).


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### Answer by username_0 on 2020-06-05. Score: 1

As @username_2 Balthazar had suggested, the z-offset was wrong. I needed to bring the nozzle and the bed closer together. The printer's default is -0.50 mm, I had to change to -0.78 mm or so to get it to stick. But then I need to reduce set it back to -0.50 or -0.40 during the print to avoid the nozzle banging into the model.

I used 205C for nozzle and 35C for bed and it works great, virtually no warping.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: ...and, come to think of it, better that futzing with the z-offset would be to find a working z-offset and change the filament settings to indicate that the filament is thicker, so as to avoid the nozzle banging into the model.  

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