<p>Reading your print settings, I noticed some oddities:</p>
<ul>
<li>215 °C</li>
<li>raft</li>
</ul>
<p>These are settings one does not expect for PLA but seem reasonable for ABS. The 215 °C could be reasonable if</p>
<ul>
<li>the melt zone is extremely short and partially insulated (Makerbot Mk 10 style)</li>
<li>the PLA is a blend with a particularly high melting temperature</li>
</ul>
<p>Common PLA is printed with</p>
<ul>
<li>190-200°C nozzle temperature in most e3d-v6 derivates and &quot;Mk 8&quot;<sup>*</sup></li>
<li>60 °C bed temperature, when available</li>
<li>no raft but possibly a brim to aid in getting a spatula under the print</li>
<li>cleaning the build platform of residual fingerprints with Isopropyic alcohol or acetone is always adviseable</li>
<li>a glass or metal print surface might get better adhesion from priming it with:
<ul>
<li>PVA-Gluestick/3dLac/Hairspray</li>
<li>a fresh painters tape, but you <strong>need</strong> to re-level to include it!</li>
</ul>
</li>
<li>a BuildTak (or clone) surface does <em>not</em> need additional settings</li>
</ul>
<p><sup>* As far as I know, that Mk 8 does not reference which manufacturer designed this thing, which makes it a kinda nonsensical naming. Mk 8 is short for Mark 8, so by definition the 8th iteration of a specific product.</sup></p>

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My post is getting long now and harder to follow. I lowered the print temperature in the update, so I should have specified to 200. 215 is Makerbot’s default and recommend temperature for some reason. They only print in PLA. If I don’t use a raft the print completely fails to adhere to the build surface, so far no matter how much I adjusted the z offset or level the bed. I’m considering a diy heated build plate but I’m going to try an unheated then possibly heated enclosure before the heated bed.
T. M.
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@T.M. I added some infos. IT might help to see your whole printer setup. Also, I invite you to discuss this in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)
Trish
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Trish
<p>You can use other slicers with a Makerbot Replicator 5th gen. <a href="https://www.simplify3d.com" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Simplify</a> works pretty well so I'd look into that. It's not free but a good program.</p>
<p><em>All</em> the slicer needs to be able to do is export in <code>.makerbot</code> so Simplify is the only other slicer I have found.</p>

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Joshua Kattelmann
<p>Your printer is improperly leveled with respect to the distance of the nozzle to the bed. This, and a high raft to print part distance, causes consecutive layers to not adhere well. </p>

<p>PLA should not need that high temperatures to print nor does it need a raft. Rafts are interesting when printing filaments that have high shrinkage. Furthermore, a 90 mm/s infill speed is pretty high, and do not use the part cooling fan for the first few layers (if you cool too much it can curl up).</p>

<p>You need to re-level the bed and make sure that the nozzle to build plate distance is the thickness of a sheet of A4 paper when <code>Z = 0</code>.</p>

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What temperature should I try? The only options I have available in the software for the cooling fan is Filament Cooling Fan Speed: First Model Layer, and one for the first raft layer, but I'll try lowering the first model layer fan speed. Unfortunately I don't see a way of moving to Z=0 in software. There is an automatic bed leveling and there is a Z offset in the settings in the menus on the machine. There is also this manual process https://thor3d.ca/wp/manually-leveling-the-replicator-5th-gen-build-plate/ and I can try that. Thanks for all the help, I'll try it all in a few days.
T. M.
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2018-12-23T06:06:09.373Z
Please try out the instructions in that link you posted. PLA tops of at about 200 ℃. You can also make the Z offset more negative in the options. Good luck, update your question with your actions. Good luck!
0scar
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2019-03-16T15:03:18.017Z
I invite you to discuss this more in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)
Trish
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0scar
<p>Current main problem is that at various points during a print, one layer doesn’t attach well to the layer below it. That is what appears to be causing the artifacts in the second picture below, but the picture may not show it clearly.</p>
<h2>Background</h2>
<p>I have a Makerbot Replicator 5th generation printer. This is the one that is very locked down. As far as I know it can only use the slicer it comes with, Makerbot print, but I'd be happy to be told otherwise. It only prints in PLA and @Trish gave some good advice on drying out the filament. I've also leveled the print bed. Prints have improved from where they couldn't even finish to now where they just aren't very good quality.</p>
<p>The issue I'm having now seems to be primarily that one build layer sometimes doesn't stick to the one below it very well. Then they peel up and the nozzle pulls them and re-melts them into a blob. I've attached two pictures. It's worse in the first one, then I lowered the first model layer fan setting from 50% to 45% and it improved and I was able to get the print in the second picture.</p>
<p>Any help on what settings I can change would be great. Is this because it is underextruding? I think I'm stuck with whatever setting options are available in the Makerbot.print software.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/wJZOS.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/wJZOS.jpg" alt="First" /></a>
<a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Htl1j.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Htl1j.jpg" alt="Second" /></a></p>
<h2>Print settings</h2>
<p>The default print temp for this printer is 215. This is at 210 degrees, but those blobs aren't actually burned they are a mix of the previous red filament that was on the outside of the nozzle. The travel speed is 150 mm/s, First model layer print speed is 30mm/s, Raft to model shell vertical offset is 0.26mm, Raft to model vertical offset is 0.33mm (I can't tell what the different between those is), z-offset is 0 (default), Layer height is 0.14mm. In the second picture the print was attached but separated easily from the raft.</p>
<p>A couple more settings that might matter is the Print speed: Outlines is 20mm/s, and the Print Speed: Infill is 90mm/s</p>
<h2>Update 3/15/19</h2>
<p>I made several of the changes suggested including lowering the temperature, leveling the bed, adjusting the Z-offset, and lowering the infill speed. I also continued to dry the filament in a dry box with a lot of desicant that I dry periodically. The desicant seemed to make much more difference than drying the filament at 50C for a couple hours. Print quality has improved a lot, but isn't great. I'm coming to the conclusion that the filament has been damaged by poor storage. It has been left in a drawer in a humid, hot room over the past summer or more.</p>
<p>I'm still using a raft because prints fail completely without it and work reasonably well with one so I have no problem using a raft. Now most of my problem is blobs of filament that I think are running down the nozzle from the heater core. I may have to take some timelapse video to figure that part out. I'm also having some stringing which may be a filament quality issue and some layer shifting.</p>

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2018-12-22T19:37:58.100Z
Please post some additional information about the slicing, e.g. temperature, speed, raft to print gap, etc. It looks as though your print temperature is high considering the burned blobs.
0scar
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2018-12-22T20:38:23.543Z
The default print temp for this printer is 215. This is at 210 degrees, but those blobs aren't actually burned they are a mix of the previous red filament that was on the outside of the nozzle. The travel speed is 150 mm/s, First model layer print speed is 30mm/s, Raft to model shell vertical offset is 0.26mm, Raft to model vertical offset is 0.33mm (I  can't tell what the different between those is), z-offset is 0 (default), Layer height is 0.14mm. In the second picture the print was attached but separated easily from the raft.  What other bits of information would be helpful?
T. M.
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2018-12-22T20:41:15.613Z
A couple more settings that might matter is the Print speed: Outlines is 20mm/s, and the Print Speed: Infill is 90mm/s
T. M.
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2018-12-22T21:54:50.043Z
For PLA you don't need a raft. Furthermore, 210 is very hot for PLA, especially if it is 1.75 mm. Infill speed is high, this should be lowered to 60 mm/s. I'm no fan of rafts, I only use it for very high temperature filaments that warp (shrink) a lot. The raft Z offset is also pretty high.
0scar
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2018-12-22T22:13:00.693Z
If I don’t print with a raft the prints don’t attach to the build plate at all. I’ll try changing the infill speed and see if that improves things. The main issue now is that various layers during the build don’t attach to the ones below it. Hopefully the infill speed will solve that. Won’t lowering the temperature make that problem worse? I’ll edit the question to reflect the current issue more clearly.
T. M.
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2019-03-16T15:03:33.960Z
I invite to discuss this in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)
Trish
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Makerbot Replicator (5th generation) poor print quality
T. M.
# Makerbot Replicator (5th generation) poor print quality

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-12-22)

Current main problem is that at various points during a print, one layer doesn’t attach well to the layer below it. That is what appears to be causing the artifacts in the second picture below, but the picture may not show it clearly.

## Background

I have a Makerbot Replicator 5th generation printer. This is the one that is very locked down. As far as I know it can only use the slicer it comes with, Makerbot print, but I'd be happy to be told otherwise. It only prints in PLA and @username_2 gave some good advice on drying out the filament. I've also leveled the print bed. Prints have improved from where they couldn't even finish to now where they just aren't very good quality.

The issue I'm having now seems to be primarily that one build layer sometimes doesn't stick to the one below it very well. Then they peel up and the nozzle pulls them and re-melts them into a blob. I've attached two pictures. It's worse in the first one, then I lowered the first model layer fan setting from 50% to 45% and it improved and I was able to get the print in the second picture.

Any help on what settings I can change would be great. Is this because it is underextruding? I think I'm stuck with whatever setting options are available in the Makerbot.print software.

[![First](https://i.sstatic.net/wJZOS.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/wJZOS.jpg)
[![Second](https://i.sstatic.net/Htl1j.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/Htl1j.jpg)

## Print settings

The default print temp for this printer is 215. This is at 210 degrees, but those blobs aren't actually burned they are a mix of the previous red filament that was on the outside of the nozzle. The travel speed is 150 mm/s, First model layer print speed is 30mm/s, Raft to model shell vertical offset is 0.26mm, Raft to model vertical offset is 0.33mm (I can't tell what the different between those is), z-offset is 0 (default), Layer height is 0.14mm. In the second picture the print was attached but separated easily from the raft.

A couple more settings that might matter is the Print speed: Outlines is 20mm/s, and the Print Speed: Infill is 90mm/s

## Update 3/15/19

I made several of the changes suggested including lowering the temperature, leveling the bed, adjusting the Z-offset, and lowering the infill speed. I also continued to dry the filament in a dry box with a lot of desicant that I dry periodically. The desicant seemed to make much more difference than drying the filament at 50C for a couple hours. Print quality has improved a lot, but isn't great. I'm coming to the conclusion that the filament has been damaged by poor storage. It has been left in a drawer in a humid, hot room over the past summer or more.

I'm still using a raft because prints fail completely without it and work reasonably well with one so I have no problem using a raft. Now most of my problem is blobs of filament that I think are running down the nozzle from the heater core. I may have to take some timelapse video to figure that part out. I'm also having some stringing which may be a filament quality issue and some layer shifting.

**Tags:** print-quality, pla, makerbot

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Please post some additional information about the slicing, e.g. temperature, speed, raft to print gap, etc. It looks as though your print temperature is high considering the burned blobs.  
> **username_0**: The default print temp for this printer is 215. This is at 210 degrees, but those blobs aren't actually burned they are a mix of the previous red filament that was on the outside of the nozzle. The travel speed is 150 mm/s, First model layer print speed is 30mm/s, Raft to model shell vertical offset is 0.26mm, Raft to model vertical offset is 0.33mm (I  can't tell what the different between those is), z-offset is 0 (default), Layer height is 0.14mm. In the second picture the print was attached but separated easily from the raft.  What other bits of information would be helpful?  
> **username_0**: A couple more settings that might matter is the Print speed: Outlines is 20mm/s, and the Print Speed: Infill is 90mm/s  
> **username_1**: For PLA you don't need a raft. Furthermore, 210 is very hot for PLA, especially if it is 1.75 mm. Infill speed is high, this should be lowered to 60 mm/s. I'm no fan of rafts, I only use it for very high temperature filaments that warp (shrink) a lot. The raft Z offset is also pretty high.  
> **username_0**: If I don’t print with a raft the prints don’t attach to the build plate at all. I’ll try changing the infill speed and see if that improves things. The main issue now is that various layers during the build don’t attach to the ones below it. Hopefully the infill speed will solve that. Won’t lowering the temperature make that problem worse? I’ll edit the question to reflect the current issue more clearly.  
> **username_2**: I invite to discuss this in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)  

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-12-22. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

Your printer is improperly leveled with respect to the distance of the nozzle to the bed. This, and a high raft to print part distance, causes consecutive layers to not adhere well.

PLA should not need that high temperatures to print nor does it need a raft. Rafts are interesting when printing filaments that have high shrinkage. Furthermore, a 90 mm/s infill speed is pretty high, and do not use the part cooling fan for the first few layers (if you cool too much it can curl up).

You need to re-level the bed and make sure that the nozzle to build plate distance is the thickness of a sheet of A4 paper when `Z = 0`.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: What temperature should I try? The only options I have available in the software for the cooling fan is Filament Cooling Fan Speed: First Model Layer, and one for the first raft layer, but I'll try lowering the first model layer fan speed. Unfortunately I don't see a way of moving to Z=0 in software. There is an automatic bed leveling and there is a Z offset in the settings in the menus on the machine. There is also this manual process https://thor3d.ca/wp/manually-leveling-the-replicator-5th-gen-build-plate/ and I can try that. Thanks for all the help, I'll try it all in a few days.  
> **username_1**: Please try out the instructions in that link you posted. PLA tops of at about 200 ℃. You can also make the Z offset more negative in the options. Good luck, update your question with your actions. Good luck!  
> **username_2**: I invite you to discuss this more in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2019-03-16. Score: 2

Reading your print settings, I noticed some oddities:

* 215 °C
* raft

These are settings one does not expect for PLA but seem reasonable for ABS. The 215 °C could be reasonable if

* the melt zone is extremely short and partially insulated (Makerbot Mk 10 style)
* the PLA is a blend with a particularly high melting temperature

Common PLA is printed with

* 190-200°C nozzle temperature in most e3d-v6 derivates and "Mk 8"\*
* 60 °C bed temperature, when available
* no raft but possibly a brim to aid in getting a spatula under the print
* cleaning the build platform of residual fingerprints with Isopropyic alcohol or acetone is always adviseable
* a glass or metal print surface might get better adhesion from priming it with:
  + PVA-Gluestick/3dLac/Hairspray
  + a fresh painters tape, but you **need** to re-level to include it!
* a BuildTak (or clone) surface does *not* need additional settings

\* As far as I know, that Mk 8 does not reference which manufacturer designed this thing, which makes it a kinda nonsensical naming. Mk 8 is short for Mark 8, so by definition the 8th iteration of a specific product.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: My post is getting long now and harder to follow. I lowered the print temperature in the update, so I should have specified to 200. 215 is Makerbot’s default and recommend temperature for some reason. They only print in PLA. If I don’t use a raft the print completely fails to adhere to the build surface, so far no matter how much I adjusted the z offset or level the bed. I’m considering a diy heated build plate but I’m going to try an unheated then possibly heated enclosure before the heated bed.  
> **username_2**: @T.M. I added some infos. IT might help to see your whole printer setup. Also, I invite you to discuss this in [chat](https://chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/91119/makerbot-replicator-5th-generation-poor-print-quality)  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2023-03-04. Score: 1

You can use other slicers with a Makerbot Replicator 5th gen. [Simplify](https://www.simplify3d.com) works pretty well so I'd look into that. It's not free but a good program.

*All* the slicer needs to be able to do is export in `.makerbot` so Simplify is the only other slicer I have found.


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