<p>From the picture it is clearly seen that the filament is not flattened properly. This implies that your nozzle bed distance is too large. Try decreasing the gap by leveling the bed at temperature and have a piece of "A4" or "Letter" print paper between the nozzle and bed have a little friction when pulled.</p>

<p>Also reduce the temperature, 230&nbsp;&deg;C is too hot for PLA (unless your printer temperature is way off, but that is not very likely), try 200&nbsp;&deg;C.</p>

<p>Another thing that you could check is if the extruded length is exactly what is instructed to be extruded; i.e. <a href="https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/how-do-i-calibrate-the-extruder-of-my-printer">calibrate the extruder</a>. </p>

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0scar
<p>White PLA is some of the nastiest stuff to print with, it's very impure. Could you try to make the same print, but with another filament?</p>

<p>230 degrees might be a bit too high of a temperature, normally PLA is printed between 215-225. Try to decrease and increase the temperature with 5 degrees to see if there is any differences as well.</p>

<p>Also, could you show us a completely flat, 1 layer print? Basically just a rectangle. Basically I want to see your first layer height.</p>

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Artonn
<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/wPPuZ.jpg" alt="example picture"></p>

<p>I'd assume insufficient z offset but some areas of the first layer look fine. I've been struggling with this problem despite lots of attempts including z offset, infill overlap, belt retensioning, etc.</p>

<p>Anyone else experienced this type of issue and have suggestions to fix it properly? </p>

<p>I'm using polylite PLA and a E3D steel nozzle. 60&nbsp;&deg;C bed temp, 230&nbsp;&deg;C first layer.</p>

<p>Edit: Print speed is 30&nbsp;mm/s first layer, 60&nbsp;mm/s normal. This issue occurs on the first few layers then the rest get increasingly better, with the final layer being excellent. </p>

<p>Edit2: Despite lowering the temp to 205--210 and increasing the z offset downwards, the problem persists, though to a lesser degree. Just gaps at ends of infill lines and between straight and circular walls. But seems it only occurs on the lower left and upper right (birds eye view) of the print.</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/TuoML.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>

<p>Edit3: The lower left and upper right being further from the nozzle coincides with my removal process using the knife on the lower left and upper right.. Maybe this part of the problem I'll have to bend back in place?</p>

<p>Nozzle bed measurements below:</p>

<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/nrVvj.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></p>

<p>Edit4: Optimizing the Z offset according to the first layer thickness remained only a partial solution especially as my bed unevenness (1mm+) was past the auto-leveling limitations (&lt;0.5mm), but I found a great thread (link below) with a "correct" solution that worked for a lot of people! After I try this I will come back and write about my experience with the solution.</p>

<p><a href="https://forum.lulzbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&amp;t=7904&amp;hilit=bed+leveling+SOLVED" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://forum.lulzbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&amp;t=7904&amp;hilit=bed+leveling+SOLVED</a></p>

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Welcome to 3dPrinting.SE! Wow, 230 °C seems a LOT hot for printing PLA filament. You might want to try it in the 190-200 °C area. I don't know if this will fix your overall issue, but it's a good place to start. Also, you don't mention your print speeds. Would be helpful to know.
Pᴀᴜʟsᴛᴇʀ2
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2019-07-24T17:34:12.543Z
Is the problem ONLY on the first layer, or do you have the same problem on SOME layers, or on ALL layers?
Davo
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2019-07-24T17:54:43.327Z
try to print at 195°C and speed of 60mm/s. the Z layer height should be 80%  of your nozzle size as maximum, if lower is better.
Fernando Baltazar
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Thanks for warm welcome paulster. I've added print speed info and I'll try lowering the print temp as you and fernando suggested and get back with the results.
openyk
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2019-07-24T18:22:20.800Z
Davo I think the problem only occurs severely on the first few layers but what makes it weird is, say on the 5th layer there's only gaps in some areas and other areas are fine. It gets increasingly better until the final several layers which are actually great.
openyk
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2019-07-29T05:08:58.870Z
Please add new images, it is hard to help out without those, thanks!
0scar
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2019-07-29T13:20:18.900Z
Picture added! Also, I tested the paper method and I've confirmed that the bed is noticeably lower (0.3mm to 0.7mm or so) at the bottomleft and topright of the pei pad (XY)! For some reason the auto leveling is not compensating for it.
openyk
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First layer prints too thin causing gaps everywhere
openyk
# First layer prints too thin causing gaps everywhere

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-07-24)

![example picture](https://i.sstatic.net/wPPuZ.jpg)

I'd assume insufficient z offset but some areas of the first layer look fine. I've been struggling with this problem despite lots of attempts including z offset, infill overlap, belt retensioning, etc.

Anyone else experienced this type of issue and have suggestions to fix it properly?

I'm using polylite PLA and a E3D steel nozzle. 60 °C bed temp, 230 °C first layer.

Edit: Print speed is 30 mm/s first layer, 60 mm/s normal. This issue occurs on the first few layers then the rest get increasingly better, with the final layer being excellent.

Edit2: Despite lowering the temp to 205--210 and increasing the z offset downwards, the problem persists, though to a lesser degree. Just gaps at ends of infill lines and between straight and circular walls. But seems it only occurs on the lower left and upper right (birds eye view) of the print.

![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/TuoML.jpg)

Edit3: The lower left and upper right being further from the nozzle coincides with my removal process using the knife on the lower left and upper right.. Maybe this part of the problem I'll have to bend back in place?

Nozzle bed measurements below:

![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/nrVvj.jpg)

Edit4: Optimizing the Z offset according to the first layer thickness remained only a partial solution especially as my bed unevenness (1mm+) was past the auto-leveling limitations (<0.5mm), but I found a great thread (link below) with a "correct" solution that worked for a lot of people! After I try this I will come back and write about my experience with the solution.

<https://forum.lulzbot.com/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=7904&hilit=bed+leveling+SOLVED>

**Tags:** print-quality, pla

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Welcome to 3dPrinting.SE! Wow, 230 °C seems a LOT hot for printing PLA filament. You might want to try it in the 190-200 °C area. I don't know if this will fix your overall issue, but it's a good place to start. Also, you don't mention your print speeds. Would be helpful to know.  
> **username_2**: Is the problem ONLY on the first layer, or do you have the same problem on SOME layers, or on ALL layers?  
> **username_3**: try to print at 195°C and speed of 60mm/s. the Z layer height should be 80%  of your nozzle size as maximum, if lower is better.  
> **username_0**: Thanks for warm welcome paulster. I've added print speed info and I'll try lowering the print temp as you and username_3 suggested and get back with the results.  
> **username_0**: username_2 I think the problem only occurs severely on the first few layers but what makes it weird is, say on the 5th layer there's only gaps in some areas and other areas are fine. It gets increasingly better until the final several layers which are actually great.  
> **username_4**: Please add new images, it is hard to help out without those, thanks!  
> **username_0**: Picture added! Also, I tested the paper method and I've confirmed that the bed is noticeably lower (0.3mm to 0.7mm or so) at the bottomleft and topright of the pei pad (XY)! For some reason the auto leveling is not compensating for it.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2019-07-24. Score: 2

From the picture it is clearly seen that the filament is not flattened properly. This implies that your nozzle bed distance is too large. Try decreasing the gap by leveling the bed at temperature and have a piece of "A4" or "Letter" print paper between the nozzle and bed have a little friction when pulled.

Also reduce the temperature, 230 °C is too hot for PLA (unless your printer temperature is way off, but that is not very likely), try 200 °C.

Another thing that you could check is if the extruded length is exactly what is instructed to be extruded; i.e. [calibrate the extruder](https://3dprinting.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/how-do-i-calibrate-the-extruder-of-my-printer).


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### Answer by username_5 on 2019-09-03. Score: 0

White PLA is some of the nastiest stuff to print with, it's very impure. Could you try to make the same print, but with another filament?

230 degrees might be a bit too high of a temperature, normally PLA is printed between 215-225. Try to decrease and increase the temperature with 5 degrees to see if there is any differences as well.

Also, could you show us a completely flat, 1 layer print? Basically just a rectangle. Basically I want to see your first layer height.


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