<p>Similar reasoning as for question <a href="/q/10231"><em>&quot;3 vs 4 bearings for y axis travel&quot;</em></a>&quot; holds. If you introduce a fourth point, it is more difficult to make a flat plane.</p>
<p>Provided that your bed is stiff, e.g. a flat piece of glass, or a thick metal plate is used, you do not need more than 3 screws. Both my custom built printers use pieces of glass on aluminium heated beds that use three screws for levelling, the third screw is located in the middle of 2 corner points.</p>
<p>If your bed is thin (e.g. thin heated bed with tape, so no glass) and flexible or warped, an extra screw might be handy to deform the bed to a more flat plane, but it is more difficult to level.</p>

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I'm in agreement with 0scar. I have a monoprice mini IIIP with a four point "leveling" system. I've added a piece of glass atop a silicone thermal transfer pad. The four-point system warps the thin aluminum bed very badly. I've since drilled a hole in the front to create a three-point level. No more bed warping!
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<p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/VaM66.png" alt="Synchronization failure when having more than three points in an axis" /></p>
<p>If the movements of those points for an axis are perfectly synchronized, there shouldn’t be a problem. However, in the physical world, inertia and elasticity come into play and hinder synchronization of such points. One of the points could move earlier than the others if they are not properly synchronized. In a 4-points-for-an-axis system, that means bending.</p>
<p>I <em>guess</em> that’s why printers that have a 4-point Z axis usually have a dedicated motor for each point to synchronize electronically, rather than trying to synchronizing them with a single motor and a timing belt.</p>
<p>Despite the difficulty in synchronization, having 4 points for an axis has an advantage over having three: it adds rigidity.</p>
<h2>Related articles</h2>
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<li><a href="https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/2017/07/3-point-print-bed-leveling-vs-4-point.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">3 Point Print Bed Leveling vs 4 Point Bending</a></li>
<li><a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/VORONDesign/comments/vs7l80/v24_quad_zaxis" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Reddit: V2.4 Quad Z-Axis</a></li>
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<p>My Ender 3, and I think lots of printers, have 4 bed leveling adjusstments, one at each corner. It seems to me that having 4 points produces an over-determined system, making it confusing to get the leveling right - adjusting one of the four may have little or no effect, but then cause a later adjustment elsewhere to have effects that violate a least-surprise principle.</p>

<p>Would it be better to have only three points? Or is the fourth necessary/useful with non-completely-rigid bed structures to add rigidity?</p>

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Three points define a plane. Four points define a fractal.
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“_over-constrained_?”
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@КонстантинВан: Three points determine a plane. Four points, unless you ensure the fourth one is on the plane determined by the first three, determine a warping of the plane into a saddle-shaped object.
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Is having 4 bed leveling adjustment points rather than 3 problematic?
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# Is having 4 bed leveling adjustment points rather than 3 problematic?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-06-28)

My Ender 3, and I think lots of printers, have 4 bed leveling adjusstments, one at each corner. It seems to me that having 4 points produces an over-determined system, making it confusing to get the leveling right - adjusting one of the four may have little or no effect, but then cause a later adjustment elsewhere to have effects that violate a least-surprise principle.

Would it be better to have only three points? Or is the fourth necessary/useful with non-completely-rigid bed structures to add rigidity?

**Tags:** printer-building, bed-leveling

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Three points define a plane. Four points define a fractal.  
> **username_2**: “_over-constrained_?”  
> **username_0**: @username_2: Three points determine a plane. Four points, unless you ensure the fourth one is on the plane determined by the first three, determine a warping of the plane into a saddle-shaped object.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2019-06-28. Score: 4

Similar reasoning as for question [*"3 vs 4 bearings for y axis travel"*](/q/10231)" holds. If you introduce a fourth point, it is more difficult to make a flat plane.

Provided that your bed is stiff, e.g. a flat piece of glass, or a thick metal plate is used, you do not need more than 3 screws. Both my custom built printers use pieces of glass on aluminium heated beds that use three screws for levelling, the third screw is located in the middle of 2 corner points.

If your bed is thin (e.g. thin heated bed with tape, so no glass) and flexible or warped, an extra screw might be handy to deform the bed to a more flat plane, but it is more difficult to level.

> **Comments:**
> **username_4**: I'm in agreement with username_3. I have a monoprice mini IIIP with a four point "leveling" system. I've added a piece of glass atop a silicone thermal transfer pad. The four-point system warps the thin aluminum bed very badly. I've since drilled a hole in the front to create a three-point level. No more bed warping!  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2023-04-01. Score: 0

![Synchronization failure when having more than three points in an axis](https://i.sstatic.net/VaM66.png)

If the movements of those points for an axis are perfectly synchronized, there shouldn’t be a problem. However, in the physical world, inertia and elasticity come into play and hinder synchronization of such points. One of the points could move earlier than the others if they are not properly synchronized. In a 4-points-for-an-axis system, that means bending.

I *guess* that’s why printers that have a 4-point Z axis usually have a dedicated motor for each point to synchronize electronically, rather than trying to synchronizing them with a single motor and a timing belt.

Despite the difficulty in synchronization, having 4 points for an axis has an advantage over having three: it adds rigidity.

## Related articles

* [3 Point Print Bed Leveling vs 4 Point Bending](https://drmrehorst.blogspot.com/2017/07/3-point-print-bed-leveling-vs-4-point.html)
* [Reddit: V2.4 Quad Z-Axis](https://www.reddit.com/r/VORONDesign/comments/vs7l80/v24_quad_zaxis)


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