<p>Hanging up the Bowden system won't fix the problems with printing flexible filament: the filament will still press into the bends of the tube and thus lead to under extrusion. Another issue is, that the flexible filament can compress - and the longer way it has to the melt-zone, the more filament it can "store" on the way to it. These bunched up zones will release suddenly, resulting in pulses of high output and between those under extrusion.</p>

<p>Direct drive (like in a Prusa i3) is pretty much the only way to reliably print flexible materials. You could, with some engineering, move your existing motor to the carriage and turn your Bowden into a direct drive.</p>

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I don't see bends happening, or as extreme at least. At least as long as prints stay below, say, 200mm. I don't think that I've seen anyone print anything substantially tall so the bending would be nominal maybe? A capricorn tube could maybe resolve that issue? (I think it's called capricorn, that really slick blue tube)
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@LuxClaridge the bowden tube will not hang straight, it will always bend to the left and right in some way to accommodate movement of the print head, thus the flexible material will rub against the inside. Even Capricorn tubing is not frictionless.
Trish
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Regarding your second paragraph and comment. I'm trying to avoid added extra mass to the carriage. Unless I'm mixing up the terms "carriage" and "print head" as they seem synonymous to me.
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@LuxClaridge they are. but you can't have light *and* flexible materials. Just like the engineering mantra: Engineering mantra: cheap, good and fast, choose at most 2.
Trish
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2018-12-20T21:43:00.040Z
At the risk of turning this into an extended discussion, what if I forewent the bowden tube altogether (maybe engineer a short funnel into the hot end)? There's nothing to bunch up in. Granted, I've never heard of a tubeless design so it's probably a really bad idea. :)
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@LuxClaridge Tubeless Bowden? impossible. Without pressure from the extruder, nothing will push the filament into the hot-end. Without the tube, the extruder does not apply pressure on the filament.
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<p>So I am getting a Creality CR-10S which has a similar print frame with a lot of other printers. Eventually I'm sure I will want to print using flexible materials, but the bowden system is not optimal since you're basically trying to push cooked spaghetti through a tube. I could replace the bowden with a direct drive but that can be expensive (and potentially shave off 15 mm from one of my axes). Not to mention that the print head is now heavier which can affect print speeds and quality.</p>

<p>That's when I thought about moving the extruder gear and motor from the side of my printer to the top. The tube then goes down the Z axis so the flexible filaments are pulled by gravity and controlled by the gear instead of just being pushed by the gear. (Please refer to my <em>wonderful</em> sketch)</p>

<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/TDzVl.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/TDzVl.png" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>

<p>I can't be the only one to think of this, but I've only seen one website that has talked about this issue and thinks that the solution is a second gantry to follow the hot end. If you're interested, here's the <a href="https://mattshub.com/2017/09/30/belt-driven-extrusion/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">link</a>.</p>

<p>Are there any potential issues with this new setup? Though I would mount the servo above the cross beam instead of to the side so that there's full range of motion along the z axis. (sadly that thought came to me AFTER making the picture in paint)</p>

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Moving Extruder Gear Assembly
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# Moving Extruder Gear Assembly

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-12-20)

So I am getting a Creality CR-10S which has a similar print frame with a lot of other printers. Eventually I'm sure I will want to print using flexible materials, but the bowden system is not optimal since you're basically trying to push cooked spaghetti through a tube. I could replace the bowden with a direct drive but that can be expensive (and potentially shave off 15 mm from one of my axes). Not to mention that the print head is now heavier which can affect print speeds and quality.

That's when I thought about moving the extruder gear and motor from the side of my printer to the top. The tube then goes down the Z axis so the flexible filaments are pulled by gravity and controlled by the gear instead of just being pushed by the gear. (Please refer to my *wonderful* sketch)

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/TDzVl.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/TDzVl.png)

I can't be the only one to think of this, but I've only seen one website that has talked about this issue and thinks that the solution is a second gantry to follow the hot end. If you're interested, here's the [link](https://mattshub.com/2017/09/30/belt-driven-extrusion/).

Are there any potential issues with this new setup? Though I would mount the servo above the cross beam instead of to the side so that there's full range of motion along the z axis. (sadly that thought came to me AFTER making the picture in paint)

**Tags:** extruder, mechanics, hardware, flexible


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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-12-20. Score: 2

Hanging up the Bowden system won't fix the problems with printing flexible filament: the filament will still press into the bends of the tube and thus lead to under extrusion. Another issue is, that the flexible filament can compress - and the longer way it has to the melt-zone, the more filament it can "store" on the way to it. These bunched up zones will release suddenly, resulting in pulses of high output and between those under extrusion.

Direct drive (like in a Prusa i3) is pretty much the only way to reliably print flexible materials. You could, with some engineering, move your existing motor to the carriage and turn your Bowden into a direct drive.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: I don't see bends happening, or as extreme at least. At least as long as prints stay below, say, 200mm. I don't think that I've seen anyone print anything substantially tall so the bending would be nominal maybe? A capricorn tube could maybe resolve that issue? (I think it's called capricorn, that really slick blue tube)  
> **username_1**: @username_0 the bowden tube will not hang straight, it will always bend to the left and right in some way to accommodate movement of the print head, thus the flexible material will rub against the inside. Even Capricorn tubing is not frictionless.  
> **username_0**: Regarding your second paragraph and comment. I'm trying to avoid added extra mass to the carriage. Unless I'm mixing up the terms "carriage" and "print head" as they seem synonymous to me.  
> **username_1**: @username_0 they are. but you can't have light *and* flexible materials. Just like the engineering mantra: Engineering mantra: cheap, good and fast, choose at most 2.  
> **username_0**: At the risk of turning this into an extended discussion, what if I forewent the bowden tube altogether (maybe engineer a short funnel into the hot end)? There's nothing to bunch up in. Granted, I've never heard of a tubeless design so it's probably a really bad idea. :)  
> **username_1**: @username_0 Tubeless Bowden? impossible. Without pressure from the extruder, nothing will push the filament into the hot-end. Without the tube, the extruder does not apply pressure on the filament.  

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