Answers.Body: <p>CiviSepa allows certain changes to a mandate via the UI (at least if you allow changes in the SEPA-Settings - check /civicrm/admin/setting/sepa?reset=1).</p>
  <p>When viewing a SEPA-Mandate you should have a button to change the amount of a mandate. This is (afaik) the only value that will actually change the existing mandate.</p>
  <p>There should also be a button to update/change the mandate which will bring up a mask prefilled with the existing mandate's values that allows you to do all kind of changes.</p>
  <p>However, technically this will end the old mandate and create a new one. I think it was designed that way because changing the IBAN or other details of a mandate (instead of creating a new one, including a new unique mandate reference) is not allowed by the SEPA-standard or at the least considered to be bad practice.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Indeed Fabian, I found the 'Replace' option to be making sense in our case. Thank you for your reply!
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Answers.Body: <p>In <a href="https://www.sepaesp.es/sepa/es/faqs/elmandato/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this page</a> states that it is not necessary to generate a new mandate when changing the account number.</p>
  <p>I have not been able to see the way to modify only the IBAN number in the mandate through the UI. I think what the &quot;replace&quot; option does is generate a new one.</p>
  <p>One way to facilitate only the change of IBAN in the mandate is through a SearchKit and the inline-edit of the field. It must be taken into account that in this way, however, the change of BIC must also be carried out manually.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: When the feature was designed it was a little bit unclear which details of a mandate are allowed to be changed without the need to create a new mandate (and how this is handled by different countries). In the end a more consevrative appoach was implemented that creates a new mandate more often. Hope that clarifies it a little bit. As discussed here a newt ype of mandate (FLEX) may be implemented allowing for more flexibility in collecting money but that may not be your scope.
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Answers.Text: Ment to add this link after my last comment: https://github.com/Project60/org.project60.sepa/issues/706
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Body: <p>Anybody knows whether there is a way we can modify IBAN numbers for an active mandate? Via bankswitching.be we receive a notice of a changed bank account, but CiviSEPA does not offer a way to modify the IBAN for an existing mandate. I see it is possible via the API, but if possible I would avoi needing to create a different interface.
  Thank you !</p>
  
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Title: Modify IBAN in CiviSEPA mandate
ThreadText: # Modify IBAN in CiviSEPA mandate
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2023-09-25)
  
  Anybody knows whether there is a way we can modify IBAN numbers for an active mandate? Via bankswitching.be we receive a notice of a changed bank account, but CiviSEPA does not offer a way to modify the IBAN for an existing mandate. I see it is possible via the API, but if possible I would avoi needing to create a different interface.
  Thank you !
  
  **Tags:** civisepa
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2023-09-26. Score: 1
  
  CiviSepa allows certain changes to a mandate via the UI (at least if you allow changes in the SEPA-Settings - check /civicrm/admin/setting/sepa?reset=1).
  
  When viewing a SEPA-Mandate you should have a button to change the amount of a mandate. This is (afaik) the only value that will actually change the existing mandate.
  
  There should also be a button to update/change the mandate which will bring up a mask prefilled with the existing mandate's values that allows you to do all kind of changes.
  
  However, technically this will end the old mandate and create a new one. I think it was designed that way because changing the IBAN or other details of a mandate (instead of creating a new one, including a new unique mandate reference) is not allowed by the SEPA-standard or at the least considered to be bad practice.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Indeed username_1, I found the 'Replace' option to be making sense in our case. Thank you for your reply!  
  > **username_2**: Replace option generates a new mandate?  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2024-09-09. Score: 0
  
  In [this page](https://www.sepaesp.es/sepa/es/faqs/elmandato/) states that it is not necessary to generate a new mandate when changing the account number.
  
  I have not been able to see the way to modify only the IBAN number in the mandate through the UI. I think what the "replace" option does is generate a new one.
  
  One way to facilitate only the change of IBAN in the mandate is through a SearchKit and the inline-edit of the field. It must be taken into account that in this way, however, the change of BIC must also be carried out manually.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: When the feature was designed it was a little bit unclear which details of a mandate are allowed to be changed without the need to create a new mandate (and how this is handled by different countries). In the end a more consevrative appoach was implemented that creates a new mandate more often. Hope that clarifies it a little bit. As discussed here a newt ype of mandate (FLEX) may be implemented allowing for more flexibility in collecting money but that may not be your scope.  
  > **username_1**: Ment to add this link after my last comment: https://github.com/Project60/org.project60.sepa/issues/706  
  
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