Answers.Body: <p>I fully agree with <a href="https://chess.stackexchange.com/a/25001/553">Brian Towers'</a> answer, but want to point out an <strong>alternative to having a limit: ask for an upfront estimate</strong>. Before the game starts, ask each participant to estimate how many toilet breaks he/she estimates will be needed. This number is communicated to the opponent<sup>1</sup>.</p>
  
  <p>People that needs to go often will have no problems in justify a higher number, while people that go to the bathroom to cheat will not. Some of the cheaters might not have planned to cheat beforehand, but will just take the opportunity when feeling the need to during the game, and having given an estimate beforehand will create some accountability that most likely will deter some cheating.</p>
  
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  Probably after the game is over. Otherwise it might result in <em>"oh, my opponent has double my number, well then I can throw in a couple extra visits"</em> thinking.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I don't see how this helps. Cheaters *and* people with legitimate needs will give a high number and then use that number. That's no different than just using a high number in the first place. And people with certain conditions might not know when they'll flare up.
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Answers.Body: <p>No, there shouldn't and if you live to be 80 you will probably understand why.</p>
  
  <p>A few years ago in a tournament where I was one of the arbiters a 16 year old boy was playing an old guy in his 80's in round 2, both of them were rated about 1950. There had recently been the case of the Bulgarian phone cheat who had consulted a phone hidden behind one of the toilets.</p>
  
  <p>The 16 year old came up to me and said "Can I have a word with you outside?" It sounded very serious so I agreed. He then explained that his opponent was getting up regularly to go to the toilet even once doing it when it was his turn to move. The boy was worried his opponent was a phone cheat.</p>
  
  <p>Had I been the boy's coach and not the arbiter I would have been able to explain the reasons. The old guy had just recently come out of hospital where he had had <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transurethral_resection_of_the_prostate" rel="noreferrer">prostate surgery</a>. The truth was he should really have been at home recovering with his feet up not playing chess but who is going to tell an 80 year-old how to live his life? In the previous round he had blundered his queen against a player rated about 1750. I would have told the boy to just keep playing good moves and the old guy was sure to blunder sooner or later. That is what happened in the game, by the way.</p>
  
  <p>Of course as the arbiter I couldn't give him helpful information like that. Instead I told him I would check the toilets for mobile phones and keep an eye on the old guy for the rest of the round, which I did.</p>
  
  <p>Note that the toilets are generally in the bounds of the playing venue but not in the playing area so going to the toilet when it is your turn is not allowed unless you get the permission of the arbiter. If you have a medical condition which makes this likely then you can speak to the arbiter before play to explain to the arbiter and get this permission.</p>
  
  <p>If you are a woman then you can't have prostate problems but if you have children you may experience similar problems with needing to make regular visits to the toilet for some time after giving birth.</p>
  
  <p>In short imposing limits on toilet breaks would be inhumane.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: +1 Excellent answer. I am not quite 80, but as I get older, I need the bathroom more; but even when I was younger, the nerves made me need to go more often than normal. That is one more reason.
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Body: <p>With the advent of smart phones, cheating in chess tournaments has become rife to the extent that if unguarded it will kill the spirit of competitiveness. There has been several such cases, accussations and allegations including the infamous <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2006#Bathroom_controversy" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Vladimir Kramnik and Veselin Topalov toiletgate</a>. In some cases a player can make <em>perpetual</em> toilet visits; move-after-move which might seem suspicious. This is partly due to unlimited <em>&quot;freedom of movement&quot;</em> during the game.</p>
  <p>For instance in other sports like soccer - <em>even though there's no computer cheating</em> - halftime breaks are timed and controlled. Should chess adopt a limit to a number of toilet breaks per game per player, say in a standard game, a player can only go to the bathroom after making a certain number of moves 10, 20, 40?</p>
  <p>What would be the advantages or setbacks to this limited breaks?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: The link does not go to an article about toilet gate.
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Comments.Text: Note that in soccer nothing forbids players to leave the game temporarily for a toilet break. This happens sometimes; see e.g. https://www.90min.com/in/posts/6511950-3-players-who-needed-restroom-breaks-during-a-football-match , https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/football/eric-dier-jose-mourinho-tottenham-hotspur-spt-intl/index.html .
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Title: Anti-cheating: should there be a limit to a number of toilet breaks per game per player?
ThreadText: # Anti-cheating: should there be a limit to a number of toilet breaks per game per player?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2019-07-29)
  
  With the advent of smart phones, cheating in chess tournaments has become rife to the extent that if unguarded it will kill the spirit of competitiveness. There has been several such cases, accussations and allegations including the infamous [Vladimir Kramnik and Veselin Topalov toiletgate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Chess_Championship_2006#Bathroom_controversy). In some cases a player can make *perpetual* toilet visits; move-after-move which might seem suspicious. This is partly due to unlimited *"freedom of movement"* during the game.
  
  For instance in other sports like soccer - *even though there's no computer cheating* - halftime breaks are timed and controlled. Should chess adopt a limit to a number of toilet breaks per game per player, say in a standard game, a player can only go to the bathroom after making a certain number of moves 10, 20, 40?
  
  What would be the advantages or setbacks to this limited breaks?
  
  **Tags:** tournament, cheating
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: The link does not go to an article about toilet gate.  
  > **username_2**: Note that in soccer nothing forbids players to leave the game temporarily for a toilet break. This happens sometimes; see e.g. https://www.90min.com/in/posts/6511950-3-players-who-needed-restroom-breaks-during-a-football-match , https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/football/eric-dier-jose-mourinho-tottenham-hotspur-spt-intl/index.html .  
  
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  ## 2 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_5 on 2019-07-29. Score: 48 | Accepted answer
  
  No, there shouldn't and if you live to be 80 you will probably understand why.
  
  A few years ago in a tournament where I was one of the arbiters a 16 year old boy was playing an old guy in his 80's in round 2, both of them were rated about 1950. There had recently been the case of the Bulgarian phone cheat who had consulted a phone hidden behind one of the toilets.
  
  The 16 year old came up to me and said "Can I have a word with you outside?" It sounded very serious so I agreed. He then explained that his opponent was getting up regularly to go to the toilet even once doing it when it was his turn to move. The boy was worried his opponent was a phone cheat.
  
  Had I been the boy's coach and not the arbiter I would have been able to explain the reasons. The old guy had just recently come out of hospital where he had had [prostate surgery](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transurethral_resection_of_the_prostate). The truth was he should really have been at home recovering with his feet up not playing chess but who is going to tell an 80 year-old how to live his life? In the previous round he had blundered his queen against a player rated about 1750. I would have told the boy to just keep playing good moves and the old guy was sure to blunder sooner or later. That is what happened in the game, by the way.
  
  Of course as the arbiter I couldn't give him helpful information like that. Instead I told him I would check the toilets for mobile phones and keep an eye on the old guy for the rest of the round, which I did.
  
  Note that the toilets are generally in the bounds of the playing venue but not in the playing area so going to the toilet when it is your turn is not allowed unless you get the permission of the arbiter. If you have a medical condition which makes this likely then you can speak to the arbiter before play to explain to the arbiter and get this permission.
  
  If you are a woman then you can't have prostate problems but if you have children you may experience similar problems with needing to make regular visits to the toilet for some time after giving birth.
  
  In short imposing limits on toilet breaks would be inhumane.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_6**: +1 Excellent answer. I am not quite 80, but as I get older, I need the bathroom more; but even when I was younger, the nerves made me need to go more often than normal. That is one more reason.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2019-07-31. Score: -2
  
  I fully agree with [username_5 username_5'](https://chess.stackexchange.com/a/25001/553) answer, but want to point out an **alternative to having a limit: ask for an upfront estimate**. Before the game starts, ask each participant to estimate how many toilet breaks he/she estimates will be needed. This number is communicated to the opponent1.
  
  People that needs to go often will have no problems in justify a higher number, while people that go to the bathroom to cheat will not. Some of the cheaters might not have planned to cheat beforehand, but will just take the opportunity when feeling the need to during the game, and having given an estimate beforehand will create some accountability that most likely will deter some cheating.
  
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  Probably after the game is over. Otherwise it might result in *"oh, my opponent has double my number, well then I can throw in a couple extra visits"* thinking.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_4**: I don't see how this helps. Cheaters *and* people with legitimate needs will give a high number and then use that number. That's no different than just using a high number in the first place. And people with certain conditions might not know when they'll flare up.  
  
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