Body: <p>For a zugzwang where x&gt;y and:</p>
  <ul>
  <li>If white has the move, White can force checkmate in x full moves</li>
  <li>If Black has the move, White can force checkmate in y full moves</li>
  </ul>
  <p>The score of such a zugzwang is x-y. What is the maximum possible score? I know of a position with score 84-25=59.</p>
  <pre><code>[Title &quot;WTM wins in 84, BTM loses in 25 &quot;]
  [FEN &quot;8/8/8/3k2P1/4pKP1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  
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Comments.Text: I feel the title could be much cleaner,  but it eludes my intuition as to how.
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Comments.Text: My suggestion is a bit long, but concise, I think.
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Comments.Text: Is the x+y record known?
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Comments.Text: 8/8/8/8/8/1k2p3/4P3/KN6 (17+28=45) is max for 3-5 men
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Title: Maximum saved moves to win caused by zugzwang
ThreadText: # Maximum saved moves to win caused by zugzwang
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2024-07-02)
  
  For a zugzwang where x>y and:
  
  * If white has the move, White can force checkmate in x full moves
  * If Black has the move, White can force checkmate in y full moves
  
  The score of such a zugzwang is x-y. What is the maximum possible score? I know of a position with score 84-25=59.
  
  ```
  [Title "WTM wins in 84, BTM loses in 25 "]
  [FEN "8/8/8/3k2P1/4pKP1/8/8/8 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  **Tags:** problems, puzzles, records, mathematics, zugzwang
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I feel the title could be much cleaner,  but it eludes my intuition as to how.  
  > **username_2**: My suggestion is a bit long, but concise, I think.  
  > **username_3**: Is the x+y record known?  
  > **username_0**: 8/8/8/8/8/1k2p3/4P3/KN6 (17+28=45) is max for 3-5 men  
  
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