Answers.Body: <p>At this position you pretty much lost already - except if you can save yourself into a stalemate. That is exactly what is happening in your example. Qf5 forces black to make a decision between one of the following choices: He can either move his king or his pawn, or he can take your queen.</p>
  
  <p>If he chooses to move the king out of check or block the check with his pawn, white is free to take the black queen. While it is not an easy victory, playing with a queen against two bishops and a pawn can still be won.</p>
  
  <p>If however black chooses to take white's queen, then white will be trapped in a stalemate, resulting in a draw. Getting half a point is better for white than losing (and getting no points). Given the imbalance of the material, there is also no way that white can win this endgame (against a reasonable well playing black player).</p>
  
  <p><em>Explanation for the stalemate:</em> After the white queen is taken, white only has his king left. But the king can't move anymore. The square d4 and d2 are controlled by black's (black) bishop. d3 and e2 are controlled by the black bishop on b5 and e4, d3 (again), f4, f3, f2 are all under the control of black's queen.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: But its black's move next, it can capture my queen. Then black will have a queen, two bishops and a pawn. Isn't that sufficient to win over white?
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Answers.Text: Theoretically yes, but you can't make a move after that. That's called a stalemate and results in a draw. Therefore this is your best move in this position.
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Answers.Text: Moving whites queen is what the tactics engine suggesting me todo. Its not what I thought was correct
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Answers.Text: Agreed, but if black was a human player, why would he allow a stalemate, he will try his best to win when he knows he has enough pieces to win
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Answers.Text: If you can provide the initial position, I can try and explain a little bit more in detail why black can't do anything different. This kind of tactics is quiet interesting, as your aim is not to win but rather not to lose.
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Answers.Text: Initial position is 1. Nf8+. Wait I will provide pictorial representation
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Answers.Text: @sziraqui I see that you added the whole example. Thank you for that. But you also clarified your question that you are only interested in an explanation for the last move. I had hoped to already answer that in my question, but if you don't understand parts of it, please let me know so that I can try to clarify my answer for you.
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Answers.Text: Alright, you mean if there is such an imbalance of pieces its wiser to force stalement whenever possible instead of trying hard to win. Fair enough. Thank you for your politeness and patience in answering!
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Body: <p>This is my initial position:</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/UqYuZ.jpg" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/UqYuZ.jpg" alt="enter image description here"></a></p>
  
  <p>I exchanged my pawn to get queen at this position:</p>
  
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  <p>Now to complete the tactics, the engine is accepting only this move which results in a stalemate</p>
  
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  <p>I would have dominated black with my queen and bishop but the tactics did not allow to do so which implies losing queen is better. But I don't understand why.</p>
  
  <p>I am trying to understand why is Q5f the best move for white.</p>
  
Tags: <tactics>
Title: Can someone explain why should white lose his queen in the following tactics?
ThreadText: # Can someone explain why should white lose his queen in the following tactics?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2018-06-30)
  
  This is my initial position:
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/UqYuZ.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/UqYuZ.jpg)
  
  I exchanged my pawn to get queen at this position:
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/84WTt.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/84WTt.jpg)
  
  Now to complete the tactics, the engine is accepting only this move which results in a stalemate
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/pHZfK.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/pHZfK.jpg)
  
  I would have dominated black with my queen and bishop but the tactics did not allow to do so which implies losing queen is better. But I don't understand why.
  
  I am trying to understand why is Q5f the best move for white.
  
  **Tags:** tactics
  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2018-06-30. Score: 6 | Accepted answer
  
  At this position you pretty much lost already - except if you can save yourself into a stalemate. That is exactly what is happening in your example. Qf5 forces black to make a decision between one of the following choices: He can either move his king or his pawn, or he can take your queen.
  
  If he chooses to move the king out of check or block the check with his pawn, white is free to take the black queen. While it is not an easy victory, playing with a queen against two bishops and a pawn can still be won.
  
  If however black chooses to take white's queen, then white will be trapped in a stalemate, resulting in a draw. Getting half a point is better for white than losing (and getting no points). Given the imbalance of the material, there is also no way that white can win this endgame (against a reasonable well playing black player).
  
  *Explanation for the stalemate:* After the white queen is taken, white only has his king left. But the king can't move anymore. The square d4 and d2 are controlled by black's (black) bishop. d3 and e2 are controlled by the black bishop on b5 and e4, d3 (again), f4, f3, f2 are all under the control of black's queen.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: But its black's move next, it can capture my queen. Then black will have a queen, two bishops and a pawn. Isn't that sufficient to win over white?  
  > **username_1**: Theoretically yes, but you can't make a move after that. That's called a stalemate and results in a draw. Therefore this is your best move in this position.  
  > **username_0**: Moving whites queen is what the tactics engine suggesting me todo. Its not what I thought was correct  
  > **username_0**: Agreed, but if black was a human player, why would he allow a stalemate, he will try his best to win when he knows he has enough pieces to win  
  > **username_1**: If you can provide the initial position, I can try and explain a little bit more in detail why black can't do anything different. This kind of tactics is quiet interesting, as your aim is not to win but rather not to lose.  
  > **username_0**: Initial position is 1. Nf8+. Wait I will provide pictorial representation  
  > **username_1**: @username_0 I see that you added the whole example. Thank you for that. But you also clarified your question that you are only interested in an explanation for the last move. I had hoped to already answer that in my question, but if you don't understand parts of it, please let me know so that I can try to clarify my answer for you.  
  > **username_0**: Alright, you mean if there is such an imbalance of pieces its wiser to force stalement whenever possible instead of trying hard to win. Fair enough. Thank you for your politeness and patience in answering!  
  
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