Answers.Body: <p>What a beautiful domination of black's king by the knight and pawn setup on <code>c5,e5,</code> white is essentially up a king in this endgame!</p>
  
  <p>Given that black is completely unable to create any threats, you have all the tempi to centralize your king and aim for a specific setup thereafter. </p>
  
  <p>One potentially simpler plan that springs to mind is, targeting black's weak pawn on <code>c6.</code> The problem for black is, they cannot prevent your king from getting to the <code>c5</code> square, and once you do, all that remains is to reroute your knight to also target <code>c6</code> and win the pawn. Once <code>c6</code> falls, then you win the <code>d5</code> pawn, or the <code>a7</code> pawn with your knight shortly after, depending on how black plays it. Here's a diagram roughly summarising our plan:</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/9T19J.jpg" width="350" height="350">
  <sup><i> green: our basic setup, then, blue: the knight reroute to c6  </i></sup></p>
  
  <p>Additionally, you want to have your <code>a</code> pawn as close to the promotion square as possible, then black can never really afford losing the <code>a7</code> pawn, which means <code>d5</code> will have to be given up [*]. For the feasibility of this advance, note that once you play <code>a4</code>, which is also covered by your knight on <code>c5</code>, black can never paly <code>a5</code> to block your <code>a</code> pawn on light squares, since after <code>a5</code>, white will force a passer along the <code>a</code>-file with <code>b4</code>:</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/jfTkB.jpg" width="350" height="350">
  <sup><i> a4 can never be met with a5: white creates a passer.  </i></sup></p>
  
  <p>Finally, here are a few lines, showcasing how our plan can be concretely executed:</p>
  
  <pre><code> [title "concrete assessment of our queenside plan to target c6"]
   [fen "8/p1p1k1p1/2p4p/2NpPb2/8/2P5/PP4PP/6K1 w - - 0 1"]
  
   1.Kf2 Bc8 2.Ke3 Bf5 3.Kd4 Bb1 (3...Bc8 {this is a line to show that in case black decides to keep the bishop on c8 preventing Na6 of our mainline, we simply achieve the same setup except c6 is targeted via Nd3 to Nb4.} 4.a4 Kd8 {black is trying to pretend there's a fortress and will only make waiting king moves, because what else can be done ...} 5.a5 Ke7 6.Nd3 Ke6 7.Nb4 Bd7 8.Kc5 Kxe5 9.Nxc6+ Ke6 10.Nxa7 {can already stop here since the win is easy from here, but let's try a few more moves} Ba4 11.a6 Kd7 12.b3 {distracting the bishop from the control of c6, so we can reroute knight to a5 and promote} Bxb3 13.Nc6 Ba4 14.Na5) 4.a4 Bc2 (4...a5 5.b4 {black cannot prevent the creation of a passer along the a file.}) 5.a5 Bf5 6.Na6 Bc8 (6...Kd8 7.Nb8 Bd7 8.Kc5 {and c6 falls anyhow, this is even a worse version than Bc8 Ke6 for black.}) 7.Nb8 {and our main setup has been established, c6 will fall forcibly.} (7.Nxc7 {would be a terrible blunder and completely inconsistent with our plan. The blunder lies in that our knight would be trapped. We want to target c6 no matter what black does.}) Bd7 {an attempt to try and hold on to the pawn} 8.Kc5 Ke6 9.Nxc6 a6 (9...Bxc6 Kxc6 {loses trivially as our king is too fast in mopping up the remaining queenside pawns and our a pawn promotes quickly.}) 10.Nb4 {either a6 or d5 fall next, and the conversion is trivial thereafter.}
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Try to play further with these kinds of lines to see if you can find any means for black to challenge our main plan. These endgames can be a lot of fun to mull over :)</p>
  
  <p>[*]: since after your knight takes on <code>c6</code>, <code>a6</code> will have to be played to keep the <code>a</code> pawn, thus, the bishop is overloaded by the defense of two isolated pawns on light squares: <code>a6</code> and <code>d5</code>.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Thank you very much - this is a very useful answer. Unfortunately I can only mark one as right, so let me mull over which is the best answer before I do so, but this is much appreciated.
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Answers.Text: Again thanks for this answer - very useful but I can only mark one as right ...
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Answers.Text: @IanBush Don't even mention it! Glad you found the answer useful, and always feel free to accept whichever answer *you* found to be the most satisfactory one.
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Answers.Body: <p>Looks like an easy win for white.  You have to be careful how you do it but getting the k to the qside to pick up the rook pawn or else win the bishop as you advance the kpawn without the black king to stop it because it is guarding the rook pawn.  </p>
  
  <p>putting your pawns on black squares first could block your king from getting to the q side </p>
  
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Answers.Text: This does not indicate a concrete winning plan, which is what OP was asking for; see the other answers in this thread for clarity.
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Answers.Text: it was a concrete winning plan for me.  perhaps you need more detail which may be in the other answers.  assuming they were correct.  i did not see the winning plan clearly stated in those answers.
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Answers.Text: The only plan I see outlined in your answer is to go after the a7 pawn with the king, but you don't really go into any detail about how white wins the pawn concretely if black tries to prevent it. What, for instance, does white do when black transfers their bishop to e2, controlling the a6 square? You have to make clear why black cannot defend with this plan, otherwise your plan is rendered ineffective. Do you honestly believe you've sufficiently explained your winning plan so that an ~1850 Elo rated player could be expected to understand it?
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Answers.Text: I noted if black tried to defend it then white wins the bishop.  I would hope a true 1850 ELO could figure it out from that.  I noted the gotcha that could block the king from getting there to win the pawn which was in the OP suggested plan of winning which would fail.
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Answers.Text: And again some fanboyz are following me around and downvoting correct answers because of their lack of ability to play chess well.
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Answers.Text: Again you claim that white wins the bishop if it shuffles between e2 and f1 to cover the a6 square, preventing white's king from going after a7, but this is just an unsubstantiated assertion from your side. How can you be this incapable of understanding that you need to explain things when posting answers to questions? I'm repeatedly astonished by the lack of self-awareness you display on this site. It's difficult to determine whether you're trolling or if you're just incompetent, but in the end the only result that matters is the substandard quality of your posts.
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Answers.Text: That is what I would play if I had the position.  I see no other winning chances. Do I have to explain how the pieces move too?  Other answers had detail that many will not follow.  My answer was clear and gave the PLAN for winning and was correct and useful no matter what the downvoting fanboyz claim.l
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Answers.Text: We both know that you don't need to explain how the pieces move. What you have to explain though is WHY YOUR PLAN IS OBJECTIVELY WINNING. You have to explain WHY black would lose the bishop if they were to shuffle it between f1 and e2 (which you have yet to do). You have to consider EVERY REASONABLE defensive plan, and explain WHY each one fails. You do this by being concrete, not by posting vague and unsubstantiated fluff. You HAVE the option of editing your answer in order to improve it, nobody's forcing you to just sit around and lazily complain about justified criticism.
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Answers.Body: <p>First, the good: You are probably winning this throughout the game, and thus, improving your position gradually was the perfect plan. It also was one of the best examples of Shereshevsky's "Do Not Hurry" principle that I have ever seen. Black could do nothing, so gradually improving, and eventually converting, was perfect since you had all the time in the world. Having this much time is, obviously, not that common in chess, which leads me to the next paragraph.</p>
  
  <p>Now, for the bad, and you even allude to in in your question when you said "was I being too cautious?" I do not know if this is a pattern in all your games, but you showed a lack of calculating when it was just winning, and a lack of action. You need to work on concrete play. In games where you do not have that much time, that might be the difference between winning and drawing, or worse.</p>
  
  <p>I am not trying to be hard on you, but rather, just to point this out. In fact, just yesterday, I read <a href="https://www.chess.com/blog/LogoCzar/how-i-became-a-national-master" rel="noreferrer">this article</a>, and you might find it helpful.</p>
  
  <p>Here are my notes to the game.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[Event "Recent Tournament"]
  [Site "Deepest, Darkest Oxfordshire"]
  [Date "Feb 2020"]
  [White "Ian Bush"]
  [Black "A Young Victim"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteELO "~1850"]
  [BlackELO "~1850"]
  [ECO "C56"]
  [PlyCount "119"]
  [FEN ""]
  
   1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5 d5 6. Bb5 Ne4 7. Nxd4 Bd7 8. Bxc6 bxc6 9. O-O Bc5 10. f3 Ng5 11. Be3 Qe7 12. f4 Ne4 13. Nd2 Nxd2 14. Qxd2 O-O 15. Nb3 Bxe3+ 16. Qxe3 f6 17. Nc5 fxe5 18. fxe5 Be6 19. Rae1 Rxf1+ $2 {This was, indeed, way too cooperative. The Be6 should blockade the pawn, and the rooks should seek counterplay on the queenside.} (19... Rfb8 20. b3 Rb5) 20. Rxf1 Rf8 $2 {I am tempted to give this positional lemon two question marks. } 21. Rxf8+ Kxf8 22. Nb3 (22. b4 {Is typical here, not wasting time, but since there is no good way of avoiding getting the queens off, it is worth it.}) 22... Bd7 23. Qc5 Ke8 24. Qxe7+ Kxe7 25. Nc5 (25. c3 $1 {A little refinement preventing d4 since Ke6 does not help.} Ke6 $2 26. Nc5+ Kxe5 $4 27. Nxd7+) 25... Bf5 (25... d4 26. Kf2 Bf5 {Black is still worse, but finally with some potential for counterplay.}) 26. c3 h6 27. Kf2 Bc8 28. Ke3 Bf5 29. Kd4 $18 {THE perfect initial setup.} Bb1 30. a3 (30. a4 $1 {Concrete play.} g5 31. a5 Bg6 32. Na6 Kd8 33. Nb8 Be8 34. Kc5 {And just wins.}) 30... Bc2 31. Na6 Bb3 32. Nc5 (32. Nb8 $1 {Again, you avoid concrete play.} Ba4 33. Kc5 Ke6 34. Nxc6 a6 35. Nb4 Kxe5 36. Nxa6 c6 37. Nb8 $18) 32... Bc4 33. Ke3 Ba2 34. Kf4 Bb1 35. h4 Bc2 36. g3 Bb1 37. Nb3 g6 38. Nd4 $6 {Although it loses a pawn for black, you allow counterplay, and the one move black has been trying to play the whole game, c5. It still wins, but unless you calculated it all well, it is not a move I would allow here.} Kd7 (38... c5 39. Nb5 c6 40. Nxa7 Kd7 {The computer has no doubt you are winning, but if I got here in my calculations, I would worry about the semi-trapped knight here, and even after e6+, I get it out, will the extra pawn still be winning.} 41. e6+ Kxe6 42. Nxc6) 39. b4 Bd3 40. a4 Bb1 41. a5 Bd3 42. Nb3 Bc4 43. Nc5+ (43. Nd4 Bd3 44. g4 Bb1 45. h5 g5+ 46. Ke3 {And Nf5 or e6 will win.} Be4 47. e6+ Kd6 48. e7 Kxe7 49. Nxc6+ $18 Kd7 50. Nxa7 c6 51. b5 cxb5 52. Nxb5 Kc6 53. Nd4+ Kb7 54. Nf5) 43... Ke7 44. h5 $1 gxh5 45. Kf5 Be2 46. Kg6 Bd1 47. Kxh6 Be2 48. Kg5 Bg4 49. Nb3 Bd1 50. Nd4 Kd7 51. Kf6 Ke8 52. Nxc6 a6 53. e6 Bg4 54. e7 (54. b5 $1 {Again, concrete play.} Be2 55. b6 {And queens.}) 54... Bd7 55. Nd4 Bh3 56. Ne6 Bxe6 57. Kxe6 h4 58. gxh4 d4 59. cxd4 $6 (59. h5 {While not technically a mistake, you should have seen this common mating pattern easily.} dxc3 60. h6 c2 61. h7 c1=Q 62. h8=Q#) 59...c5 60. d5 1-0
  </code></pre>
  
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Answers.Text: Really useful answer, thanks, and thanks for the compliments. As for the caution I tend to go too much the other way and take what others think as too many risks, so here I was being too careful - for instance I saw most of your line at move 32 but worried about bottling up my knight in the corner, which is not really like me. But maybe I should mention the disaster in the previous round where I turned a won ending into a drawn one by not enough caution ... Anyway let me think over these answers and I will mark whichever one I think most useful right,
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Answers.Text: @IanBush Sometimes, even when you cannot see it all 100%, you have to trust your gut a little too. As you get stronger, that instinct also improves having seen many more positions. It is always worth asking "what are my opponent's weakest points?" when formulating a plan. a7 and c6 were clearly the primary targets, so you should have been looking at them almost every move, calculating a way to get at them.
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Answers.Text: P.S. I have not played 1.e4 since I was rated 1935, but I used to play that very line of the Two Knights. I loved working against c5 there. I guess if I loved that, switching to 1.d4 was pretty natural. :)
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Answers.Text: P.P.S. One last thing: In certain "torture" positions where your opponent cannot do anything, Shereshevsky's "Do Not Hurry", in and of itself, is a valid plan. You can move around, and the position may seem similar, but there can be differences that catch your opponent off guard. Part of "Do Not Hurry" is the lulling effect, and you try to put your opponent to sleep so a mistake is made. :)
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Body: <p>I reached the position below in a recent tournament game</p>
  
  <pre><code>[Event "Recent Tournament"]
  [Site "Deepest, Darkest Oxfordshire"]
  [Date "Feb 2020"]
  [White "Ian Bush"]
  [Black "A Young Victim"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteELO "~1850"]
  [BlackELO "~1850"]
  [ECO "C55r"]
  [StartPly "52"]
  [FEN ""]
  
  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.e5 d5 6.Bb5 Ne4 7.Nxd4 Bd7 8.Bxc6 
  bxc6 9.O-O Bc5 10.f3 Ng5 11.Be3 Qe7 12.f4 Ne4 13.Nd2 Nxd2 14.Qxd2 O-O 15.
  Nb3 Bxe3+ 16.Qxe3 f6 17.Nc5 fxe5 18.fxe5 Be6 19.Rae1 Rxf1+ 20.Rxf1 Rf8 21.
  Rxf8+ Kxf8 22.Nb3 Bd7 23.Qc5 Ke8 24.Qxe7+ Kxe7 25.Nc5 Bf5 26.c3 h6 27.Kf2 Bc8
  28.Ke3 Bf5 29.Kd4 Bb1 30.a3 Bc2 31.Na6 Bb3 32.Nc5 Bc4 33.Ke3 Ba2 34.Kf4 Bb1
  35.h4 Bc2 36.g3 Bb1 37.Nb3 g6 38.Nd4 Kd7 39.b4 Bd3 40.a4 Bb1 41.a5 Bd3 42.Nb3
  Bc4 43.Nc5+ Ke7 44.h5 gxh5 45.Kf5 Be2 46.Kg6 Bd1 47.Kxh6 Be2 48.Kg5 Bg4
  49.Nb3 Bd1 50.Nd4 Kd7 51.Kf6 Ke8 52.Nxc6 a6 53.e6 Bg4 54.e7 Bd7 55.Nd4 Bh3
  56.Ne6 Bxe6 57.Kxe6 h4 58.gxh4 d4 59.cxd4 c5 60.d5 1-0
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Though I ultimately won I have to admit a good part of it was waiting for my opponent to make a mistake - my opinion was that only black could lose this one so I'd try and slowly improve things waiting for a mistake in a difficult position, and then hopefully pounce. But is there a better plan which does not involve my opponent being cooperative and I can just win whatever he does? Sample variations to illustrate ideas would be appreciated - especially as this is a thematic endgame from the opening I use, and so I would like to learn how to play it better. I should also say I saw at various points how I could win a Q side pawn or two but was worried it was taking my wonderful knight out of play and sometimes saccing the e5 pawn to get 2 Q side pawns, which again I was not convinced was a good bargain - was I being too cautious?</p>
  
  <p>For what it is worth both he and me are about 1850 FIDE (converted from ECF), and my plans to improve the position were</p>
  
  <ol>
  <li>Get everything on black squares so he doesn't have any targets </li>
  <li>Edge my pawns forward making them closer to queening when the breakthrough occurs</li>
  <li>Plant the king on d4 or f4 again for the breakthrough</li>
  <li>Combine varying the angle of attack of the knight against the Q side pawns with threats of e6 to try and win one or more of his Q side pawns</li>
  </ol>
  
Tags: <analysis><endgame><positional-play><knights><bishops>
Title: Good Knight Against Bad Bishop Endgame - A More Constructive Plan?
ThreadText: # Good Knight Against Bad Bishop Endgame - A More Constructive Plan?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-02-04)
  
  I reached the position below in a recent tournament game
  
  ```
  [Event "Recent Tournament"]
  [Site "Deepest, Darkest Oxfordshire"]
  [Date "Feb 2020"]
  [White "Ian username_0"]
  [Black "A Young Victim"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteELO "~1850"]
  [BlackELO "~1850"]
  [ECO "C55r"]
  [StartPly "52"]
  [FEN ""]
  
  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d4 exd4 5.e5 d5 6.Bb5 Ne4 7.Nxd4 Bd7 8.Bxc6 
  bxc6 9.O-O Bc5 10.f3 Ng5 11.Be3 Qe7 12.f4 Ne4 13.Nd2 Nxd2 14.Qxd2 O-O 15.
  Nb3 Bxe3+ 16.Qxe3 f6 17.Nc5 fxe5 18.fxe5 Be6 19.Rae1 Rxf1+ 20.Rxf1 Rf8 21.
  Rxf8+ Kxf8 22.Nb3 Bd7 23.Qc5 Ke8 24.Qxe7+ Kxe7 25.Nc5 Bf5 26.c3 h6 27.Kf2 Bc8
  28.Ke3 Bf5 29.Kd4 Bb1 30.a3 Bc2 31.Na6 Bb3 32.Nc5 Bc4 33.Ke3 Ba2 34.Kf4 Bb1
  35.h4 Bc2 36.g3 Bb1 37.Nb3 g6 38.Nd4 Kd7 39.b4 Bd3 40.a4 Bb1 41.a5 Bd3 42.Nb3
  Bc4 43.Nc5+ Ke7 44.h5 gxh5 45.Kf5 Be2 46.Kg6 Bd1 47.Kxh6 Be2 48.Kg5 Bg4
  49.Nb3 Bd1 50.Nd4 Kd7 51.Kf6 Ke8 52.Nxc6 a6 53.e6 Bg4 54.e7 Bd7 55.Nd4 Bh3
  56.Ne6 Bxe6 57.Kxe6 h4 58.gxh4 d4 59.cxd4 c5 60.d5 1-0
  
  ```
  
  Though I ultimately won I have to admit a good part of it was waiting for my opponent to make a mistake - my opinion was that only black could lose this one so I'd try and slowly improve things waiting for a mistake in a difficult position, and then hopefully pounce. But is there a better plan which does not involve my opponent being cooperative and I can just win whatever he does? Sample variations to illustrate ideas would be appreciated - especially as this is a thematic endgame from the opening I use, and so I would like to learn how to play it better. I should also say I saw at various points how I could win a Q side pawn or two but was worried it was taking my wonderful knight out of play and sometimes saccing the e5 pawn to get 2 Q side pawns, which again I was not convinced was a good bargain - was I being too cautious?
  
  For what it is worth both he and me are about 1850 FIDE (converted from ECF), and my plans to improve the position were
  
  1. Get everything on black squares so he doesn't have any targets
  2. Edge my pawns forward making them closer to queening when the breakthrough occurs
  3. Plant the king on d4 or f4 again for the breakthrough
  4. Combine varying the angle of attack of the knight against the Q side pawns with threats of e6 to try and win one or more of his Q side pawns
  
  **Tags:** analysis, endgame, positional-play, knights, bishops
  
  
  ---
  
  ## 3 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2020-02-04. Score: 11 | Accepted answer
  
  First, the good: You are probably winning this throughout the game, and thus, improving your position gradually was the perfect plan. It also was one of the best examples of Shereshevsky's "Do Not Hurry" principle that I have ever seen. Black could do nothing, so gradually improving, and eventually converting, was perfect since you had all the time in the world. Having this much time is, obviously, not that common in chess, which leads me to the next paragraph.
  
  Now, for the bad, and you even allude to in in your question when you said "was I being too cautious?" I do not know if this is a pattern in all your games, but you showed a lack of calculating when it was just winning, and a lack of action. You need to work on concrete play. In games where you do not have that much time, that might be the difference between winning and drawing, or worse.
  
  I am not trying to be hard on you, but rather, just to point this out. In fact, just yesterday, I read [this article](https://www.chess.com/blog/LogoCzar/how-i-became-a-national-master), and you might find it helpful.
  
  Here are my notes to the game.
  
  ```
  [Event "Recent Tournament"]
  [Site "Deepest, Darkest Oxfordshire"]
  [Date "Feb 2020"]
  [White "Ian username_0"]
  [Black "A Young Victim"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteELO "~1850"]
  [BlackELO "~1850"]
  [ECO "C56"]
  [PlyCount "119"]
  [FEN ""]
  
   1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5 d5 6. Bb5 Ne4 7. Nxd4 Bd7 8. Bxc6 bxc6 9. O-O Bc5 10. f3 Ng5 11. Be3 Qe7 12. f4 Ne4 13. Nd2 Nxd2 14. Qxd2 O-O 15. Nb3 Bxe3+ 16. Qxe3 f6 17. Nc5 fxe5 18. fxe5 Be6 19. Rae1 Rxf1+ $2 {This was, indeed, way too cooperative. The Be6 should blockade the pawn, and the rooks should seek counterplay on the queenside.} (19... Rfb8 20. b3 Rb5) 20. Rxf1 Rf8 $2 {I am tempted to give this positional lemon two question marks. } 21. Rxf8+ Kxf8 22. Nb3 (22. b4 {Is typical here, not wasting time, but since there is no good way of avoiding getting the queens off, it is worth it.}) 22... Bd7 23. Qc5 Ke8 24. Qxe7+ Kxe7 25. Nc5 (25. c3 $1 {A little refinement preventing d4 since Ke6 does not help.} Ke6 $2 26. Nc5+ Kxe5 $4 27. Nxd7+) 25... Bf5 (25... d4 26. Kf2 Bf5 {Black is still worse, but finally with some potential for counterplay.}) 26. c3 h6 27. Kf2 Bc8 28. Ke3 Bf5 29. Kd4 $18 {THE perfect initial setup.} Bb1 30. a3 (30. a4 $1 {Concrete play.} g5 31. a5 Bg6 32. Na6 Kd8 33. Nb8 Be8 34. Kc5 {And just wins.}) 30... Bc2 31. Na6 Bb3 32. Nc5 (32. Nb8 $1 {Again, you avoid concrete play.} Ba4 33. Kc5 Ke6 34. Nxc6 a6 35. Nb4 Kxe5 36. Nxa6 c6 37. Nb8 $18) 32... Bc4 33. Ke3 Ba2 34. Kf4 Bb1 35. h4 Bc2 36. g3 Bb1 37. Nb3 g6 38. Nd4 $6 {Although it loses a pawn for black, you allow counterplay, and the one move black has been trying to play the whole game, c5. It still wins, but unless you calculated it all well, it is not a move I would allow here.} Kd7 (38... c5 39. Nb5 c6 40. Nxa7 Kd7 {The computer has no doubt you are winning, but if I got here in my calculations, I would worry about the semi-trapped knight here, and even after e6+, I get it out, will the extra pawn still be winning.} 41. e6+ Kxe6 42. Nxc6) 39. b4 Bd3 40. a4 Bb1 41. a5 Bd3 42. Nb3 Bc4 43. Nc5+ (43. Nd4 Bd3 44. g4 Bb1 45. h5 g5+ 46. Ke3 {And Nf5 or e6 will win.} Be4 47. e6+ Kd6 48. e7 Kxe7 49. Nxc6+ $18 Kd7 50. Nxa7 c6 51. b5 cxb5 52. Nxb5 Kc6 53. Nd4+ Kb7 54. Nf5) 43... Ke7 44. h5 $1 gxh5 45. Kf5 Be2 46. Kg6 Bd1 47. Kxh6 Be2 48. Kg5 Bg4 49. Nb3 Bd1 50. Nd4 Kd7 51. Kf6 Ke8 52. Nxc6 a6 53. e6 Bg4 54. e7 (54. b5 $1 {Again, concrete play.} Be2 55. b6 {And queens.}) 54... Bd7 55. Nd4 Bh3 56. Ne6 Bxe6 57. Kxe6 h4 58. gxh4 d4 59. cxd4 $6 (59. h5 {While not technically a mistake, you should have seen this common mating pattern easily.} dxc3 60. h6 c2 61. h7 c1=Q 62. h8=Q#) 59...c5 60. d5 1-0
  
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  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Really useful answer, thanks, and thanks for the compliments. As for the caution I tend to go too much the other way and take what others think as too many risks, so here I was being too careful - for instance I saw most of your line at move 32 but worried about bottling up my knight in the corner, which is not really like me. But maybe I should mention the disaster in the previous round where I turned a won ending into a drawn one by not enough caution ... Anyway let me think over these answers and I will mark whichever one I think most useful right,  
  > **username_4**: @username_0 Sometimes, even when you cannot see it all 100%, you have to trust your gut a little too. As you get stronger, that instinct also improves having seen many more positions. It is always worth asking "what are my opponent's weakest points?" when formulating a plan. a7 and c6 were clearly the primary targets, so you should have been looking at them almost every move, calculating a way to get at them.  
  > **username_4**: P.S. I have not played 1.e4 since I was rated 1935, but I used to play that very line of the Two Knights. I loved working against c5 there. I guess if I loved that, switching to 1.d4 was pretty natural. :)  
  > **username_4**: P.P.S. One last thing: In certain "torture" positions where your opponent cannot do anything, Shereshevsky's "Do Not Hurry", in and of itself, is a valid plan. You can move around, and the position may seem similar, but there can be differences that catch your opponent off guard. Part of "Do Not Hurry" is the lulling effect, and you try to put your opponent to sleep so a mistake is made. :)  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2020-02-04. Score: 9
  
  What a beautiful domination of black's king by the knight and pawn setup on `c5,e5,` white is essentially up a king in this endgame!
  
  Given that black is completely unable to create any threats, you have all the tempi to centralize your king and aim for a specific setup thereafter.
  
  One potentially simpler plan that springs to mind is, targeting black's weak pawn on `c6.` The problem for black is, they cannot prevent your king from getting to the `c5` square, and once you do, all that remains is to reroute your knight to also target `c6` and win the pawn. Once `c6` falls, then you win the `d5` pawn, or the `a7` pawn with your knight shortly after, depending on how black plays it. Here's a diagram roughly summarising our plan:
  
  ![](https://i.sstatic.net/9T19J.jpg)
   *green: our basic setup, then, blue: the knight reroute to c6*
  
  Additionally, you want to have your `a` pawn as close to the promotion square as possible, then black can never really afford losing the `a7` pawn, which means `d5` will have to be given up [\*]. For the feasibility of this advance, note that once you play `a4`, which is also covered by your knight on `c5`, black can never paly `a5` to block your `a` pawn on light squares, since after `a5`, white will force a passer along the `a`-file with `b4`:
  
  ![](https://i.sstatic.net/jfTkB.jpg)
   *a4 can never be met with a5: white creates a passer.*
  
  Finally, here are a few lines, showcasing how our plan can be concretely executed:
  
  ```
   [title "concrete assessment of our queenside plan to target c6"]
   [fen "8/p1p1k1p1/2p4p/2NpPb2/8/2P5/PP4PP/6K1 w - - 0 1"]
  
   1.Kf2 Bc8 2.Ke3 Bf5 3.Kd4 Bb1 (3...Bc8 {this is a line to show that in case black decides to keep the bishop on c8 preventing Na6 of our mainline, we simply achieve the same setup except c6 is targeted via Nd3 to Nb4.} 4.a4 Kd8 {black is trying to pretend there's a fortress and will only make waiting king moves, because what else can be done ...} 5.a5 Ke7 6.Nd3 Ke6 7.Nb4 Bd7 8.Kc5 Kxe5 9.Nxc6+ Ke6 10.Nxa7 {can already stop here since the win is easy from here, but let's try a few more moves} Ba4 11.a6 Kd7 12.b3 {distracting the bishop from the control of c6, so we can reroute knight to a5 and promote} Bxb3 13.Nc6 Ba4 14.Na5) 4.a4 Bc2 (4...a5 5.b4 {black cannot prevent the creation of a passer along the a file.}) 5.a5 Bf5 6.Na6 Bc8 (6...Kd8 7.Nb8 Bd7 8.Kc5 {and c6 falls anyhow, this is even a worse version than Bc8 Ke6 for black.}) 7.Nb8 {and our main setup has been established, c6 will fall forcibly.} (7.Nxc7 {would be a terrible blunder and completely inconsistent with our plan. The blunder lies in that our knight would be trapped. We want to target c6 no matter what black does.}) Bd7 {an attempt to try and hold on to the pawn} 8.Kc5 Ke6 9.Nxc6 a6 (9...Bxc6 Kxc6 {loses trivially as our king is too fast in mopping up the remaining queenside pawns and our a pawn promotes quickly.}) 10.Nb4 {either a6 or d5 fall next, and the conversion is trivial thereafter.}
  
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  Try to play further with these kinds of lines to see if you can find any means for black to challenge our main plan. These endgames can be a lot of fun to mull over :)
  
  [\*]: since after your knight takes on `c6`, `a6` will have to be played to keep the `a` pawn, thus, the bishop is overloaded by the defense of two isolated pawns on light squares: `a6` and `d5`.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Thank you very much - this is a very useful answer. Unfortunately I can only mark one as right, so let me mull over which is the best answer before I do so, but this is much appreciated.  
  > **username_0**: Again thanks for this answer - very useful but I can only mark one as right ...  
  > **username_1**: @username_0 Don't even mention it! Glad you found the answer useful, and always feel free to accept whichever answer *you* found to be the most satisfactory one.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2020-02-04. Score: -3
  
  Looks like an easy win for white. You have to be careful how you do it but getting the k to the qside to pick up the rook pawn or else win the bishop as you advance the kpawn without the black king to stop it because it is guarding the rook pawn.
  
  putting your pawns on black squares first could block your king from getting to the q side
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_3**: This does not indicate a concrete winning plan, which is what OP was asking for; see the other answers in this thread for clarity.  
  > **username_2**: it was a concrete winning plan for me.  perhaps you need more detail which may be in the other answers.  assuming they were correct.  i did not see the winning plan clearly stated in those answers.  
  > **username_3**: The only plan I see outlined in your answer is to go after the a7 pawn with the king, but you don't really go into any detail about how white wins the pawn concretely if black tries to prevent it. What, for instance, does white do when black transfers their bishop to e2, controlling the a6 square? You have to make clear why black cannot defend with this plan, otherwise your plan is rendered ineffective. Do you honestly believe you've sufficiently explained your winning plan so that an ~1850 Elo rated player could be expected to understand it?  
  > **username_2**: I noted if black tried to defend it then white wins the bishop.  I would hope a true 1850 ELO could figure it out from that.  I noted the gotcha that could block the king from getting there to win the pawn which was in the OP suggested plan of winning which would fail.  
  > **username_2**: And again some fanboyz are following me around and downvoting correct answers because of their lack of ability to play chess well.  
  > **username_3**: Again you claim that white wins the bishop if it shuffles between e2 and f1 to cover the a6 square, preventing white's king from going after a7, but this is just an unsubstantiated assertion from your side. How can you be this incapable of understanding that you need to explain things when posting answers to questions? I'm repeatedly astonished by the lack of self-awareness you display on this site. It's difficult to determine whether you're trolling or if you're just incompetent, but in the end the only result that matters is the substandard quality of your posts.  
  > **username_2**: That is what I would play if I had the position.  I see no other winning chances. Do I have to explain how the pieces move too?  Other answers had detail that many will not follow.  My answer was clear and gave the PLAN for winning and was correct and useful no matter what the downvoting fanboyz claim.l  
  > **username_3**: We both know that you don't need to explain how the pieces move. What you have to explain though is WHY YOUR PLAN IS OBJECTIVELY WINNING. You have to explain WHY black would lose the bishop if they were to shuffle it between f1 and e2 (which you have yet to do). You have to consider EVERY REASONABLE defensive plan, and explain WHY each one fails. You do this by being concrete, not by posting vague and unsubstantiated fluff. You HAVE the option of editing your answer in order to improve it, nobody's forcing you to just sit around and lazily complain about justified criticism.  
  
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