Answers.Body: <p>It's an oversimplification to think of the bishop pair to be worth 0.5 points on average. There are cramped positions where a bishop is barely better than a pawn. It's very difficult to generalize based on your question, it will vary greatly from position to position. But in case you're only interested in an "on average" answer, then the side with the rook has a slight edge.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I think black's edge may be increased furthermore, if the pawn that is removed in the diagram above was a7 rather than the more valuable central d7 pawn.
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Answers.Text: what makes you say rook and knight is better than bishop pair and pawn? i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying like: cite your sources. currently downvoting since no references or examples
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Answers.Body: <p>It depends on the situation. Sometimes players lose 3 points, but have an advantage in position.</p>
  
  <pre><code>  [FEN ""]
    1. e4 e5 2. b3 Bc5 3. f4 Nf6 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. Qg4 Nf2 6. Qxg7 Rf8 7. d4 Nxh1 8. Nf3 Bb4+ 9. c3 Be7 10. Bh6 d5 11. Qxh7 Qd7 12. Bxf8 Bxf8  *
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Or for example this game: <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUr_gdKQ8j4" rel="nofollow">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUr_gdKQ8j4</a></p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>This is very situational. Generally, the side with the bishop pair is simply down the exchange.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: The bishop pair is worth 0.5 points on average. So you have to divide 0.5 from the value of the exchange.
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Answers.Text: what makes you say rook and knight is better than bishop pair and pawn? i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying like: cite your sources. currently downvoting since no references or examples
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Answers.Body: <p>" Adding the better cooperation of the rook with the bishops, many Soviet theoreticians believed that, in active positions,
  rook and two bishops outperform two rooks and a knight. "</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Vc0rL.png" alt="≤ means that BBP is less than or equal to"></p>
  
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Answers.Text: Doesn't the image say the opposite to what you wrote?
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Answers.Body: <p>This position is equal or maybe White is slightly better. If there were open files it'd be a different story, though!</p>
  
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Body: <p>In theory, rook (5) + knight (3) = 8 points. </p>
  
  <p>And bishop (3.25) + bishop (3.25) + pawn (1) = 7.5 points.</p>
  
  <p>For example, do you think black is better in the following scenario or do you believe white can hold with good play?</p>
  
  <pre><code>[fen "1n2k2r/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/2B1KB2 w - - 0 1"]
  </code></pre>
  
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Comments.Text: " As for rook and knight vs. two bishops and pawn, with nothing else but pawns on the board, the rook's side has a mild advantage, but add a rook to each side and the game is dead even. In general, with other pieces on the board, this imbalance should be considered even, with only a trivial edge for the rook's side. "                                                                              http://danheisman.home.comcast.net/~danheisman/Articles/evaluation_of_material_imbalance.htm
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Comments.Text: " Many of the Classicists of the
  late nineteenth and early twentieth
  century claimed that two bishops
  versus rook and knight were
  equivalent. I don’t believe that this
  is the case, i.e., I think the extra
  material will usually win out, but
  this view continues to influence
  chess thinking to some extent even
  today. " - Steve Mayer (1997)
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Comments.Text: As per the specific position you give, Black is clearly for choice but White still has good chances of salvaging a draw.
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Tags: <knights><rooks><bishops><point-value><exchange>
Title: Is the bishop pair and a pawn equivalent to knight and a rook?
ThreadText: # Is the bishop pair and a pawn equivalent to knight and a rook?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2015-05-17)
  
  In theory, rook (5) + knight (3) = 8 points.
  
  And bishop (3.25) + bishop (3.25) + pawn (1) = 7.5 points.
  
  For example, do you think black is better in the following scenario or do you believe white can hold with good play?
  
  ```
  [fen "1n2k2r/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/2B1KB2 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  **Tags:** knights, rooks, bishops, point-value, exchange
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: " As for rook and knight vs. two bishops and pawn, with nothing else but pawns on the board, the rook's side has a mild advantage, but add a rook to each side and the game is dead even. In general, with other pieces on the board, this imbalance should be considered even, with only a trivial edge for the rook's side. "                                                                              http://danheisman.home.comcast.net/~danheisman/Articles/evaluation_of_material_imbalance.htm  
  > **username_0**: " Many of the Classicists of the late nineteenth and early twentieth century claimed that two bishops versus rook and knight were equivalent. I don’t believe that this is the case, i.e., I think the extra material will usually win out, but this view continues to influence chess thinking to some extent even today. " - Steve Mayer (1997)  
  > **username_1**: As per the specific position you give, Black is clearly for choice but White still has good chances of salvaging a draw.  
  
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  ## 5 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_2 on 2015-05-18. Score: 4
  
  It's an oversimplification to think of the bishop pair to be worth 0.5 points on average. There are cramped positions where a bishop is barely better than a pawn. It's very difficult to generalize based on your question, it will vary greatly from position to position. But in case you're only interested in an "on average" answer, then the side with the rook has a slight edge.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I think black's edge may be increased furthermore, if the pawn that is removed in the diagram above was a7 rather than the more valuable central d7 pawn.  
  > **username_3**: what makes you say rook and knight is better than bishop pair and pawn? i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying like: cite your sources. currently downvoting since no references or examples  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2015-05-17. Score: 2
  
  It depends on the situation. Sometimes players lose 3 points, but have an advantage in position.
  
  ```
    [FEN ""]
    1. e4 e5 2. b3 Bc5 3. f4 Nf6 4. fxe5 Nxe4 5. Qg4 Nf2 6. Qxg7 Rf8 7. d4 Nxh1 8. Nf3 Bb4+ 9. c3 Be7 10. Bh6 d5 11. Qxh7 Qd7 12. Bxf8 Bxf8  *
  
  ```
  
  Or for example this game: <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUr_gdKQ8j4>
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_5**: Could you describe more closely what happened in the game you link to?  
  
  ---
  
  ### Answer by username_6 on 2015-05-17. Score: 1
  
  This is very situational. Generally, the side with the bishop pair is simply down the exchange.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: The bishop pair is worth 0.5 points on average. So you have to divide 0.5 from the value of the exchange.  
  > **username_3**: what makes you say rook and knight is better than bishop pair and pawn? i'm not saying you're wrong. i'm just saying like: cite your sources. currently downvoting since no references or examples  
  
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  ### Answer by username_0 on 2015-05-23. Score: 1
  
  " Adding the better cooperation of the rook with the bishops, many Soviet theoreticians believed that, in active positions,
  rook and two bishops outperform two rooks and a knight. "
  
  ![≤ means that BBP is less than or equal to](https://i.sstatic.net/Vc0rL.png)
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_7**: Doesn't the image say the opposite to what you wrote?  
  > **username_3**: @username_7 no i think you're right. currently downvoting for wrong inequality in image  
  
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  ### Answer by username_8 on 2020-06-20. Score: 0
  
  This position is equal or maybe White is slightly better. If there were open files it'd be a different story, though!
  
  
  ---
  
  