Answers.Body: <p>He didn't play a bad move, as Topalov could have declined the sacrifice, as Kasparov said himself and maybe the game would have ended up a draw.
  Topalov spent over an hour on the move and reasoned he would be well up on material, so basically he bought it. To borrow from Football Kasparov dropped his shoulder, sold a dummy....</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>There is some discussion of this position with Kasparov from the Chess24 website:</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://chess24.com/en/read/news/kasparov-conversation-with-tyler-cowen" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Kasparov taps So to challenge Carlsen</a></p>
  
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    <p>The question therefore is, where did Kasparov misplay the position? </p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <p>No, he did not. All the lines give Black equal chances, no matter what move White chose to play.</p>
  
  <blockquote>
    <p>How did he lose his small positional advantage.</p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <p>He did not lose advantage because there was none in the first place. White position just looks "prettier". He <strong>can not</strong> stop the freeing <code>d5</code> break, which means that Black will <strong>eventually equalize</strong>.</p>
  
  <blockquote>
    <p>Where is the improvement for White?</p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <p>At this point I see no improvement, but maybe some super computer or creative GM can find one. Time will tell.</p>
  
  <blockquote>
    <p>Or is White's positional advantage an illusion?</p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <p>White has healthier pawn structure, but you do not consider Black's dynamic resources such as <strong>development advantage and active piece placement</strong>. They counterbalance White's healthier pawn structure.</p>
  
  <p>After Black gets <code>d5</code> break it all depends if White can punish Black for pushing too many pawns forward. To do that, he need an endgame with better pieces but that will never happen with proper play because Black has better posted and more active pieces.</p>
  
  <p>White does not have an advantage, but his position is "prettier" due to the healthier pawn structure. Again I point out that black has better piece placement, and can liquidate the <code>d6</code> backward pawn after which things are unclear.</p>
  
  <blockquote>
    <p>Is the position objectively equal or even better for Black? </p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <p>I will quote Mr.Kasparov himself from <em>Chess Informant 74</em> :</p>
  
  <pre><code>[fen "2kr3r/1b2qp1p/pn1p1npQ/1pp5/4P3/PNN2P2/1PP3PP/1K1R1B1R w - - 2 16"]
  
  1.Na5 ( 1.a4?! b4 2.a5 bxc3 3.axb6 Nd7=/+ ) 1...d5 2.Nxb7 ( 2.g3 b4∞ ) 2...Kxb7 3.exd5 Nbxd5 4.Nxd5 Nxd5 5.Bd3 f5 6.Rhe1 Qc7 7.Bf1 c4∞ 
  </code></pre>
  
  <p><a href="http://tal.has.it/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Here</a> is the <code>zip</code> file that holds <strong>almost every published</strong> analysis of this game, including Kasparov's comments after the game. It was also instructive to go through the comments of top GMs as well as other "lesser players" who used engines for the analysis. Just click on the spinning red box:</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/JWaID.png" alt="enter image description here"></p>
  
  <h2>SUMMARY:</h2>
  
  <p>Although White has better pawn structure, he is behind in development and his queen is misplaced. </p>
  
  <p>Black does have a backward pawn on <code>d6</code> and has compromised his pawn structure on both wings but that is not so bad for him since his pawns <strong>restrict the opposing light pieces</strong>. He has more space on the queenside and a chance to obtain initiative on that part of the board, while his holes on dark squares on the kingside can not be effectively exploited. He has wonderful piece coordination and activity and will achieve the freeing <code>d5</code> break, eliminating the weakest piece in his setup, thus achieving full equality. </p>
  
  <p>I evaluate this position as sharp/unclear with equal chances for both sides.</p>
  
  <p>As for Topalov losing this one, you must be aware that Kasparov tried <code>a3</code> as a novelty, which probably threw Topalov out of balance a little, so he misplayed it in the end. He was probably in time pressure, or simply lost focus due to calculating all the possibilities in a new position which is always a difficult task. Up until <code>cxd4?</code> he played well, even Kasparov had to award exclamation points for some of his moves.</p>
  
  <p>Hopefully this helps. If you have further questions leave a comment.</p>
  
  <p>Best regards.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I find it odd that you say White has no advantage and then deny the fact White's potential advantage is an illusion. (Won't +1 unless you're consistent there!) Thanks for the quote from Chess Informant.
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Answers.Text: @Wes: Done! I have edited that part of my post. Best regards.
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Answers.Text: 13. g4 looks promising.
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Answers.Text: @Wes: The position you speak of is after move 12, yet the diagram shows position after move 16. Analysis of the whole game ( in search for improvement ) is too broad in my opinion. Nevertheless, if you seek analysis of the **entire** game instead **after move 16**, you should edit your post to clearly state that. I still believe it will be too broad, but I will try to help. BTW, I doubt `g4` will give you anything as Black will castle long... Best regards.
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Answers.Text: @Wes: You will **not** find improvement for White because **Kasparov himself** gave the evaluation `unclear` in his comments ( see my answer ). Going backward is ridiculous, as you are going towards the starting opening moves. If an improvement was possible in move 12 or before, the **entire** opening would be refuted, which is not the case. Please see Kasparov's entire commentary about this game from *Chess Informant 74.* As I have said before: White is "pretty" but is slow. Black is "ugly" but **ideally** placed and hass **all** pieces developed...
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Answers.Text: Well, Kasparov isn't always right! As a human, he is fallible. Besides, I think that Black's Bg7 move is a bit of a waste, because the bishop eventually has to exchange itself on h6 and Black doesn't even intend to castle kingside.
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Answers.Text: @Wes: I have cleaned up my comments because they are obsolete, given the content of my edit. Please take a good look at the `zip` file from the edited part of my answer. BTW, you were right, `...Bg7` was imprecise but as I have said, Kasparov's game was even worse in the beginning which he explained in his comments. Also take a look at *Seirawan's* analysis. This is the best I can do... Good luck, you are on your own Spartan...
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Body: <p>Kasparov's <a href="http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1011478" rel="noreferrer">immortal game</a> vs Topalov is often regarded as one of the best games in chess history. </p>
  
  <p>However, after analyzing it, I find that objectively speaking, Kasparov played some bad moves and got into a slightly worse position. Here, in this position below, Kasparov sacrificed his rook on d4 and Topalov made a mistake by capturing it. </p>
  
  <pre><code>    [White "Garry Kasparov"]
      [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
      [FEN "b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 24"]
  
      1. Rxd4 cxd4 2. Re7+ Kb6 3. Qxd4+ Kxa5 4. b4+ Ka4 5. Qc3 Qxd5 6. Ra7 Bb7 
      7. Rxb7 Qc4 8. Qxf6 Kxa3 9. Qxa6+ Kxb4 10. c3+ Kxc3 11. Qa1+ Kd2 12. Qb2+ Kd1 
      13. Bf1 Rd2 14. Rd7 Rxd7 15. Bxc4 bxc4 16. Qxh8 Rd3 17. Qa8 c3 18. Qa4+ Ke1 
      19. f4 f5 20. Kc1 Rd2 21. Qa7 1-0
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>However, if Topalov had played 24...Kb6! then Kasparov's initiative would have come to nothing. </p>
  
  <pre><code>    [White "Garry Kasparov"]
      [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
      [FEN "b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 24"]
  
      1. Rxd4 Kb6! 2. b4 Qxf4 3. Rxf4 Nxd5 4. Rxf7 cxb4 5. axb4 Nxb4 6. Nb3 Bd5 7. Rf6+ 
      Nc6 8. f4 Rhf8 9. Rxf8 Rxf8 
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>and Black is slightly better. </p>
  
  <p>If we compare this position to the position after move 16, White does seem slightly better. </p>
  
  <pre><code>   [White "Garry Kasparov"]
     [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
     [FEN "r3k2r/1b1nqp1p/p1pp1npQ/1p2p3/3PP3/P1N2P2/1PP1N1PP/1K1R1B1R w kq - 0 13"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>The question therefore is, where did Kasparov misplay the position? How did he lose his small positional advantage. Where is the improvement for White? Or is White's positional advantage an illusion? Is the position objectively equal or even better for Black? </p>
  
Tags: <analysis><famous-players><kasparov><famous-games>
Title: Kasparov's Immortal Game. Flawed? 24...Kb6! Suggest an improvement for White
ThreadText: # Kasparov's Immortal Game. Flawed? 24...Kb6! Suggest an improvement for White
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2014-03-02)
  
  Kasparov's [immortal game](http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1011478) vs Topalov is often regarded as one of the best games in chess history.
  
  However, after analyzing it, I find that objectively speaking, Kasparov played some bad moves and got into a slightly worse position. Here, in this position below, Kasparov sacrificed his rook on d4 and Topalov made a mistake by capturing it.
  
  ```
      [White "Garry Kasparov"]
      [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
      [FEN "b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 24"]
  
      1. Rxd4 cxd4 2. Re7+ Kb6 3. Qxd4+ Kxa5 4. b4+ Ka4 5. Qc3 Qxd5 6. Ra7 Bb7 
      7. Rxb7 Qc4 8. Qxf6 Kxa3 9. Qxa6+ Kxb4 10. c3+ Kxc3 11. Qa1+ Kd2 12. Qb2+ Kd1 
      13. Bf1 Rd2 14. Rd7 Rxd7 15. Bxc4 bxc4 16. Qxh8 Rd3 17. Qa8 c3 18. Qa4+ Ke1 
      19. f4 f5 20. Kc1 Rd2 21. Qa7 1-0
  
  ```
  
  However, if Topalov had played 24...Kb6! then Kasparov's initiative would have come to nothing.
  
  ```
      [White "Garry Kasparov"]
      [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
      [FEN "b2r3r/k4p1p/p2q1np1/NppP4/3p1Q2/P4PPB/1PP4P/1K1RR3 w - - 0 24"]
  
      1. Rxd4 Kb6! 2. b4 Qxf4 3. Rxf4 Nxd5 4. Rxf7 cxb4 5. axb4 Nxb4 6. Nb3 Bd5 7. Rf6+ 
      Nc6 8. f4 Rhf8 9. Rxf8 Rxf8 
  
  ```
  
  and Black is slightly better.
  
  If we compare this position to the position after move 16, White does seem slightly better.
  
  ```
     [White "Garry Kasparov"]
     [Black "Veselin Topalov"]
     [FEN "r3k2r/1b1nqp1p/p1pp1npQ/1p2p3/3PP3/P1N2P2/1PP1N1PP/1K1R1B1R w kq - 0 13"]
  
  ```
  
  The question therefore is, where did Kasparov misplay the position? How did he lose his small positional advantage. Where is the improvement for White? Or is White's positional advantage an illusion? Is the position objectively equal or even better for Black?
  
  **Tags:** analysis, famous-players, kasparov, famous-games
  
  
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  ## 3 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_3 on 2014-03-03. Score: 7 | Accepted answer
  
  > The question therefore is, where did Kasparov misplay the position?
  
  No, he did not. All the lines give Black equal chances, no matter what move White chose to play.
  
  > How did he lose his small positional advantage.
  
  He did not lose advantage because there was none in the first place. White position just looks "prettier". He **can not** stop the freeing `d5` break, which means that Black will **eventually equalize**.
  
  > Where is the improvement for White?
  
  At this point I see no improvement, but maybe some super computer or creative GM can find one. Time will tell.
  
  > Or is White's positional advantage an illusion?
  
  White has healthier pawn structure, but you do not consider Black's dynamic resources such as **development advantage and active piece placement**. They counterbalance White's healthier pawn structure.
  
  After Black gets `d5` break it all depends if White can punish Black for pushing too many pawns forward. To do that, he need an endgame with better pieces but that will never happen with proper play because Black has better posted and more active pieces.
  
  White does not have an advantage, but his position is "prettier" due to the healthier pawn structure. Again I point out that black has better piece placement, and can liquidate the `d6` backward pawn after which things are unclear.
  
  > Is the position objectively equal or even better for Black?
  
  I will quote Mr.Kasparov himself from *Chess Informant 74* :
  
  ```
  [fen "2kr3r/1b2qp1p/pn1p1npQ/1pp5/4P3/PNN2P2/1PP3PP/1K1R1B1R w - - 2 16"]
  
  1.Na5 ( 1.a4?! b4 2.a5 bxc3 3.axb6 Nd7=/+ ) 1...d5 2.Nxb7 ( 2.g3 b4∞ ) 2...Kxb7 3.exd5 Nbxd5 4.Nxd5 Nxd5 5.Bd3 f5 6.Rhe1 Qc7 7.Bf1 c4∞ 
  
  ```
  
  [Here](http://tal.has.it/) is the `zip` file that holds **almost every published** analysis of this game, including Kasparov's comments after the game. It was also instructive to go through the comments of top GMs as well as other "lesser players" who used engines for the analysis. Just click on the spinning red box:
  
  ![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/JWaID.png)
  
  ## SUMMARY:
  
  Although White has better pawn structure, he is behind in development and his queen is misplaced.
  
  Black does have a backward pawn on `d6` and has compromised his pawn structure on both wings but that is not so bad for him since his pawns **restrict the opposing light pieces**. He has more space on the queenside and a chance to obtain initiative on that part of the board, while his holes on dark squares on the kingside can not be effectively exploited. He has wonderful piece coordination and activity and will achieve the freeing `d5` break, eliminating the weakest piece in his setup, thus achieving full equality.
  
  I evaluate this position as sharp/unclear with equal chances for both sides.
  
  As for Topalov losing this one, you must be aware that Kasparov tried `a3` as a novelty, which probably threw Topalov out of balance a little, so he misplayed it in the end. He was probably in time pressure, or simply lost focus due to calculating all the possibilities in a new position which is always a difficult task. Up until `cxd4?` he played well, even Kasparov had to award exclamation points for some of his moves.
  
  Hopefully this helps. If you have further questions leave a comment.
  
  Best regards.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I find it odd that you say White has no advantage and then deny the fact White's potential advantage is an illusion. (Won't +1 unless you're consistent there!) Thanks for the quote from Chess Informant.  
  > **username_3**: @Wes: Done! I have edited that part of my post. Best regards.  
  > **username_3**: @Wes: Have you found an improvement for White?  
  > **username_0**: 13. g4 looks promising.  
  > **username_3**: @Wes: The position you speak of is after move 12, yet the diagram shows position after move 16. Analysis of the whole game ( in search for improvement ) is too broad in my opinion. Nevertheless, if you seek analysis of the **entire** game instead **after move 16**, you should edit your post to clearly state that. I still believe it will be too broad, but I will try to help. BTW, I doubt `g4` will give you anything as Black will castle long... Best regards.  
  > **username_3**: @Wes: You will **not** find improvement for White because **Kasparov himself** gave the evaluation `unclear` in his comments ( see my answer ). Going backward is ridiculous, as you are going towards the starting opening moves. If an improvement was possible in move 12 or before, the **entire** opening would be refuted, which is not the case. Please see Kasparov's entire commentary about this game from *Chess Informant 74.* As I have said before: White is "pretty" but is slow. Black is "ugly" but **ideally** placed and hass **all** pieces developed...  
  > **username_0**: Well, Kasparov isn't always right! As a human, he is fallible. Besides, I think that Black's Bg7 move is a bit of a waste, because the bishop eventually has to exchange itself on h6 and Black doesn't even intend to castle kingside.  
  > **username_3**: @Wes: I have cleaned up my comments because they are obsolete, given the content of my edit. Please take a good look at the `zip` file from the edited part of my answer. BTW, you were right, `...Bg7` was imprecise but as I have said, Kasparov's game was even worse in the beginning which he explained in his comments. Also take a look at *Seirawan's* analysis. This is the best I can do... Good luck, you are on your own Spartan...  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2015-10-01. Score: 0
  
  He didn't play a bad move, as Topalov could have declined the sacrifice, as Kasparov said himself and maybe the game would have ended up a draw.
  Topalov spent over an hour on the move and reasoned he would be well up on material, so basically he bought it. To borrow from Football Kasparov dropped his shoulder, sold a dummy....
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2017-05-11. Score: 0
  
  There is some discussion of this position with Kasparov from the Chess24 website:
  
  [Kasparov taps So to challenge Carlsen](https://chess24.com/en/read/news/kasparov-conversation-with-tyler-cowen)
  
  
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