Answers.Body: <p>If it is white to move, he should probably play c3, Qb2 and only then Rxb7, not even allowing black the choice to trade the queen for two rooks. I don't see how black can defend against this and the resulting position should be winning for white. Maybe a computer will tell you that immediately taking on b7 is even stronger, but for a human this entails a certain amount of risk, whereas c3,Qb2,Rxb7 keeps complete control.</p>
  
  <p>If it is black to move, he should probably play Kb8 with idea of playing Ka7 and Rb8, defending against c3, Qb2, Rxb7. In that case Rxb7 might be whites best choice and it looks indeed like a strong continuation. Something like 2.Rxb7 Qxb7 3.Rxb7 Kxb7 4.Qb4 Ka7 5.c6 Rb8 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qxc4 Ka7 8.Qc5+ Ka8 9.Qe7 Rc8 would also result in a position where white is in complete control and can push his extra pawns with c4, d5 and maybe intrude with the king h4, Kh2,Kg3,Kf4,Kg5,Kf6.</p>
  
  <p>Not taking the rook after Rxb7 is not really a choice for black. In that case he would just be lost without any counterchances.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>The answer is IN THIS position NO (if you're black) However it's a forced win anyways </p>
  
  <p><a href="http://en.lichess.org/jEK9MC3O#10" rel="nofollow">http://en.lichess.org/jEK9MC3O#10</a></p>
  
  <p>Here is the game's result against a lvl 6 stockfish (I played against it) which is just over 2000 rating. It's a won game due to the pawn structures. Keep in mind stockfish rating goes up and down depending on people's wins and loses so it might not be 2000 it may be more like 2100 or even lower like 1900.</p>
  
  <p>Of course you can ignore the latter part of the game since the AI on the site doesn't resign :)</p>
  
  <p>Also, for the most part trading 2 rooks for a Queen is considered as material loss instead of gain. Mathematically speaking, a Queen is worth 9 points, a rook is worth 5, meaning both rooks are worth a total of 10. </p>
  
  <p>And you have a lot of proof for this, a very simple example is King + 2 rooks vs King + Queen... This is a draw, and I am talking about a fully empty board just these pieces on, it's a forced draw...</p>
  
  <p>However just like in this position, sometimes the location of rooks and pawn structure of the game makes this sacrifice a game winner... Black can't really defend against anything white throws at him, unless white blunders heavily.</p>
  
  <p>And as you can see from the game link you have the explanation of the advantage of each move played after the sacrifice.</p>
  
  <p>Hope I helped.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>In this position, Rxb7 is best because black's rooks are very passive compared to white's active queen. One possible continuation is 1. Rxb7 Qxb7 2. Rxb7 Kxb7 +- because white has an active queen while black has a very exposed king and no pawn cover. White will win many of black's weak pawns. When the dust settles, black will have a weak queenside.</p>
  
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Body: <p>Is it the right choice to lose the queen for two rooks for this situation?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: Is it white's move?
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Comments.Text: Yes, last move of Rook is indicated in pale yellow
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Comments.Text: It's not "lost", it's known as exchange.
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Comments.Text: If it were just Q for RR it would often be a good exchange.  But here White immediately wins two pawns as well: 1 Rxb7 Qxb7 2 Rxb7 Kxb7+ 3 Qb4+ and the c-pawn falls too.  Generally QPP are better than RR. In fact here White can do even better than 4 Qxc4 by playing 4 c6 first (note that 3 Qb4+ Kc6?? loses outright to 4 Qa4+).  For example 3 Qb4+ Ka7 4 c6 Rb8 5 Qc5+ Rb6? 6 Qe7! Rxc6 7 Qe8! and the Rh7 gets trapped.
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Title: Is it the right choice to lose the queen for two rooks?
ThreadText: # Is it the right choice to lose the queen for two rooks?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2015-04-03)
  
  Is it the right choice to lose the queen for two rooks for this situation?
  
  ![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/k9W4k.jpg)
  
  **Tags:** queens, rooks
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: Is it white's move?  
  > **username_0**: Yes, last move of Rook is indicated in pale yellow  
  > **username_2**: It's not "lost", it's known as exchange.  
  > **username_3**: If it were just Q for RR it would often be a good exchange.  But here White immediately wins two pawns as well: 1 Rxb7 Qxb7 2 Rxb7 Kxb7+ 3 Qb4+ and the c-pawn falls too.  Generally QPP are better than RR. In fact here White can do even better than 4 Qxc4 by playing 4 c6 first (note that 3 Qb4+ Kc6?? loses outright to 4 Qa4+).  For example 3 Qb4+ Ka7 4 c6 Rb8 5 Qc5+ Rb6? 6 Qe7! Rxc6 7 Qe8! and the Rh7 gets trapped.  
  
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  ## 3 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2015-04-03. Score: 5
  
  If it is white to move, he should probably play c3, Qb2 and only then Rxb7, not even allowing black the choice to trade the queen for two rooks. I don't see how black can defend against this and the resulting position should be winning for white. Maybe a computer will tell you that immediately taking on b7 is even stronger, but for a human this entails a certain amount of risk, whereas c3,Qb2,Rxb7 keeps complete control.
  
  If it is black to move, he should probably play Kb8 with idea of playing Ka7 and Rb8, defending against c3, Qb2, Rxb7. In that case Rxb7 might be whites best choice and it looks indeed like a strong continuation. Something like 2.Rxb7 Qxb7 3.Rxb7 Kxb7 4.Qb4 Ka7 5.c6 Rb8 6.Qc5+ Ka8 7.Qxc4 Ka7 8.Qc5+ Ka8 9.Qe7 Rc8 would also result in a position where white is in complete control and can push his extra pawns with c4, d5 and maybe intrude with the king h4, Kh2,Kg3,Kf4,Kg5,Kf6.
  
  Not taking the rook after Rxb7 is not really a choice for black. In that case he would just be lost without any counterchances.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2015-04-03. Score: 1
  
  The answer is IN THIS position NO (if you're black) However it's a forced win anyways
  
  <http://en.lichess.org/jEK9MC3O#10>
  
  Here is the game's result against a lvl 6 stockfish (I played against it) which is just over 2000 rating. It's a won game due to the pawn structures. Keep in mind stockfish rating goes up and down depending on people's wins and loses so it might not be 2000 it may be more like 2100 or even lower like 1900.
  
  Of course you can ignore the latter part of the game since the AI on the site doesn't resign :)
  
  Also, for the most part trading 2 rooks for a Queen is considered as material loss instead of gain. Mathematically speaking, a Queen is worth 9 points, a rook is worth 5, meaning both rooks are worth a total of 10.
  
  And you have a lot of proof for this, a very simple example is King + 2 rooks vs King + Queen... This is a draw, and I am talking about a fully empty board just these pieces on, it's a forced draw...
  
  However just like in this position, sometimes the location of rooks and pawn structure of the game makes this sacrifice a game winner... Black can't really defend against anything white throws at him, unless white blunders heavily.
  
  And as you can see from the game link you have the explanation of the advantage of each move played after the sacrifice.
  
  Hope I helped.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_6 on 2024-08-09. Score: 0
  
  In this position, Rxb7 is best because black's rooks are very passive compared to white's active queen. One possible continuation is 1. Rxb7 Qxb7 2. Rxb7 Kxb7 +- because white has an active queen while black has a very exposed king and no pawn cover. White will win many of black's weak pawns. When the dust settles, black will have a weak queenside.
  
  
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