Answers.Body: <p>The Traxler can be a lot of fun to play if white plays <code>5.Nxf7?!</code>.  If white plays <code>5.Bxf7+!</code> instead, then it's a lot less fun.</p>
  
  <p>Before I go any further, let me recommend the following: instead of the Traxler, play <code>4...d5 5.exd5</code> and now either <code>5...Na5</code> (Morphy variation) or <code>5...b5</code> (Ulvestad variation).  Both of these lines feature black sacrificing a pawn in exchange for quick development.  </p>
  
  <p>Now, back to the Traxler:</p>
  
  <p>First, the "fun" line, <code>5.Nxf7?!</code>.  Black should play <code>5...Bxf2</code>.  Now white can choose between <code>Kxf2</code> and <code>Kf1</code>.  Both of these lines give black good attacking chances, although black will frequently be down two pieces.  You can take a look at an <a href="http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss23.pdf" rel="noreferrer">article from chesscafe</a> for some more information.  Those lines are not really up to date, but it's a good introduction.  If you're interested in these specific lines, that's probably worth a separate question for each since the variations get out of hand very quickly.</p>
  
  <p>The more sobering line, <code>5.Bxf7+</code> can really put a damper on black's plans.  The best line now is <code>5...Ke7 6.Bb3! Rf8</code>.  Now white scores an impressive 69.3% with <code>7.d3</code>.<br>
  <img src="https://i.sstatic.net/pQ6X8.jpg" alt="enter image description here"><br>
  Granted most of those games were not top level games, but black's difficulties are apparent.  White has not committed to castling kingside yet, and can start trades with a plan like Nc3-d5.  </p>
  
  <p>So to wrap up, if you want to play the Two Knights defense (<code>3...Nf6</code>), you have to be ready for <code>4.Ng5</code>, and you should take a look at the Morphy variation and the Ulvestad.  Both of these lines give black good chances for a win, even though black sacrifices a pawn.  Playing a quiet move like <code>3...h6</code> or <code>3...Be7</code> is not really good, although both moves stop <code>4.Ng5</code>.  The problem is that neither h6 nor Be7 really help black develop around the center, and white can react immediately with <code>4.d4!</code>.  </p>
  
  <p>At the top level, black will usually play into an Italian game with <code>3...Bc5</code> instead of the Two Knights.  The only real gambit in this case is the Evan's Gambit with <code>4.b4</code>.  Again, all of these variations probably deserve their own question, but hopefully this is enough to get you started.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Quoting Wikipedia: "American master Olav Ulvestad introduced 5...b5 in a 1941 article in Chess Review. White has only one good reply. Weak are 6.Bxb5 Qxd5 7.Bxc6 Qxc6 and 6.dxc6 bxc4 7.Nc3; the strongest move is considered the surprising 6.Bf1!, protecting g2 so White can answer 6...Qxd5? with 7.Nc3. Black's best response is to transpose to the Fritz Variation with 6...Nd4, making another advantage of 6.Bf1 apparent—the bishop is not attacked as it would be if White had played 6.Be2." Play in the variation becomes very sharp. E.g. 6... Nd4 7.c3 Nxd5 8.Ne4 or 8.h4. It might be dubious for Black
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Body: <p>Many of my games as Black feature the Two Knights' Defence.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  1.  e4   e5
  2. Nf3  Nc6
  3. Bc4  Nf6
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Sometimes my opponent will play <code>4. Ng5</code>, and I usually reply with <code>4 ... d5</code>.  It is not uncommon for the play to continue <code>5. exd5 Nxd5</code> (because neither of us knows any better - I'm still learning to smell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Liver_Attack" rel="nofollow noreferrer">fried liver</a>), and if my opponent is particularly bloodthirsty, <code>6. Bxd5 Qxg5</code>.</p>
  
  <p>But I've just heard of the <a href="http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...Nc6/3._Bc4/3...Nf6/4._Ng5/4...Bc5" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Traxler Counterattack</a>, in which I would play <code>4 ... Bc5!?</code>.  How is that a seriously played course?  With <code>4... Bc5!? 5. Bxf7+</code> White wins a Pawn without any compensation for Black that I can see.</p>
  
  <p>The merit that I see in it for Black is when White plays <code>5. Nxf7</code>.  Even that seems unsteady for Black.</p>
  
  <p>My options as I see it are 1) go for the Traxler (and maybe lose a pawn?), 2) lose a pawn (after <code>4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5</code>), 3) face a possible fried liver attack (after <code>5... Nxd5</code>), and 4) avoid  <code>1. e4    e5
      2. Nf3  Nc6
      3. Bc4  Nf6</code> altogether, perhaps by playing <code>3... h6</code> as I've seen some do.  Then again, the "lost" Pawn I've mentioned might be able to be avenged, but how?</p>
  
Tags: <opening><two-knights>
Title: Should I go for the Traxler Counterattack?
ThreadText: # Should I go for the Traxler Counterattack?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2012-05-08)
  
  Many of my games as Black feature the Two Knights' Defence.
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  1.  e4   e5
  2. Nf3  Nc6
  3. Bc4  Nf6
  
  ```
  
  Sometimes my opponent will play `4. Ng5`, and I usually reply with `4 ... d5`. It is not uncommon for the play to continue `5. exd5 Nxd5` (because neither of us knows any better - I'm still learning to smell [fried liver](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fried_Liver_Attack)), and if my opponent is particularly bloodthirsty, `6. Bxd5 Qxg5`.
  
  But I've just heard of the [Traxler Counterattack](http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Chess_Opening_Theory/1._e4/1...e5/2._Nf3/2...Nc6/3._Bc4/3...Nf6/4._Ng5/4...Bc5), in which I would play `4 ... Bc5!?`. How is that a seriously played course? With `4... Bc5!? 5. Bxf7+` White wins a Pawn without any compensation for Black that I can see.
  
  The merit that I see in it for Black is when White plays `5. Nxf7`. Even that seems unsteady for Black.
  
  My options as I see it are 1) go for the Traxler (and maybe lose a pawn?), 2) lose a pawn (after `4. Ng5 d5 5. exd5`), 3) face a possible fried liver attack (after `5... Nxd5`), and 4) avoid `1. e4 e5
  2. Nf3 Nc6
  3. Bc4 Nf6` altogether, perhaps by playing `3... h6` as I've seen some do. Then again, the "lost" Pawn I've mentioned might be able to be avenged, but how?
  
  **Tags:** opening, two-knights
  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2012-05-08. Score: 14 | Accepted answer
  
  The Traxler can be a lot of fun to play if white plays `5.Nxf7?!`. If white plays `5.Bxf7+!` instead, then it's a lot less fun.
  
  Before I go any further, let me recommend the following: instead of the Traxler, play `4...d5 5.exd5` and now either `5...Na5` (Morphy variation) or `5...b5` (Ulvestad variation). Both of these lines feature black sacrificing a pawn in exchange for quick development.
  
  Now, back to the Traxler:
  
  First, the "fun" line, `5.Nxf7?!`. Black should play `5...Bxf2`. Now white can choose between `Kxf2` and `Kf1`. Both of these lines give black good attacking chances, although black will frequently be down two pieces. You can take a look at an [article from chesscafe](http://www.chesscafe.com/text/kaiss23.pdf) for some more information. Those lines are not really up to date, but it's a good introduction. If you're interested in these specific lines, that's probably worth a separate question for each since the variations get out of hand very quickly.
  
  The more sobering line, `5.Bxf7+` can really put a damper on black's plans. The best line now is `5...Ke7 6.Bb3! Rf8`. Now white scores an impressive 69.3% with `7.d3`.  
  ![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/pQ6X8.jpg)  
  Granted most of those games were not top level games, but black's difficulties are apparent. White has not committed to castling kingside yet, and can start trades with a plan like Nc3-d5.
  
  So to wrap up, if you want to play the Two Knights defense (`3...Nf6`), you have to be ready for `4.Ng5`, and you should take a look at the Morphy variation and the Ulvestad. Both of these lines give black good chances for a win, even though black sacrifices a pawn. Playing a quiet move like `3...h6` or `3...Be7` is not really good, although both moves stop `4.Ng5`. The problem is that neither h6 nor Be7 really help black develop around the center, and white can react immediately with `4.d4!`.
  
  At the top level, black will usually play into an Italian game with `3...Bc5` instead of the Two Knights. The only real gambit in this case is the Evan's Gambit with `4.b4`. Again, all of these variations probably deserve their own question, but hopefully this is enough to get you started.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_3**: Nice discussion of different openings. Thanks.  
  > **username_2**: Quoting Wikipedia: "American master Olav Ulvestad introduced 5...b5 in a 1941 article in Chess Review. White has only one good reply. Weak are 6.Bxb5 Qxd5 7.Bxc6 Qxc6 and 6.dxc6 bxc4 7.Nc3; the strongest move is considered the surprising 6.Bf1!, protecting g2 so White can answer 6...Qxd5? with 7.Nc3. Black's best response is to transpose to the Fritz Variation with 6...Nd4, making another advantage of 6.Bf1 apparent—the bishop is not attacked as it would be if White had played 6.Be2." Play in the variation becomes very sharp. E.g. 6... Nd4 7.c3 Nxd5 8.Ne4 or 8.h4. It might be dubious for Black  
  
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