Answers.Body: <p>I would agree that the first scenario presented is the better move for two reasons:</p>
  
  <ol>
  <li>It allows White to maintain control of its side of the center.  In the second scenario, White is giving Black a foothold in this valuable space (e4).</li>
  <li>In the second scenario, White forces Black's king to move, and thereby prevents it from castling.  While that is an advantage for White, has to sacrifice a bishop (early) to get it.</li>
  </ol>
  
  <p>It comes down to risk vs. reward.  White's reward of maintaining control of the center (the better of the two rewards, IMO) can be achieved with less risk (first scenario), than preventing Black from castling can be.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Material is going to be equal in both cases, so there's no sacrifice involved.
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Answers.Body: <p><code>4. Bc4</code> is a mistake because it leads to a fork trick for Black:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Given this fork trick, the best square for the light-squared bishop is <code>b5</code>, so I would altogether avoid playing <code>4. Bc4</code>.</p>
  
  <p>After <code>5. Bxf7+</code>, I still do not think white has the advantage, for example, after:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Nxe4 d5
  </code></pre>
  
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Answers.Text: The mistake is 4.Bc4, not 5.Nxe4. 5.Nxe4 is regarded by theory as the best try for White after 4.Bc4 Nxe4.
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Answers.Text: @dfan - True. That is why I said to avoid playing 4. Bc4 anyways, but if White does play 4. Bc4 and black captures on e4, I was just pointing out that it would be a mistake for white to capture back.  I had originally put 4. Bc4 as the mistake, but changed it, so I just changed it back :)
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Answers.Text: It is not a mistake to capture back with 5.Nxe4; it is better than playing 5.Bxf7+. See my separate answer.
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Answers.Text: @dfan - But if White plays 5. Nxe4 and black plays 5...d5 forking the bishop and knight, I would consider it a mistake.  You will lose either a bishop or knight for a pawn.
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Answers.Text: White just won a knight for a pawn with 4...Nxe4 5.Nxe4, so he is not losing any material. White's two options if he doesn't want to be down a pawn are 5.Nxe4 and 5.Bxf7+. Both end up in a position with equal material, but White's position is better in the former one.
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Answers.Text: Yep, at first glance Bxf7+, looks tempt because black loose the castling rights & black king is somewhat fragil. Whit your continuation, white can play Nf3-Ng5+ & then Qf3 with mate threats?
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Answers.Text: 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nfg5+ Kg8 7.Qf3 does threaten Qf7#, but the mate threat is easily parried with, say, 7...Qd7. Then White must retreat his e4 knight which is still being attacked, and then Black will kick back the other one with ...h6, and White's attack has not gone anywhere.
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Answers.Text: @dfan I may had not express my self correctly. I was referring to an line like: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Nxe4 d5 7. Nf3g5 Ke8 8. Qf3. Nevertheless, this is easy to defend.
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Answers.Text: @dreamcrash I meant the same thing, but accidentally left out the move-pair 6.Nxe4 d5. Thanks for the correction.
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Answers.Body: <p>I disagree with commentators on 4.Bc4. There is a article on 4.Bc4 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 Bd6 8.Bxc6+ etc. by Yury V. Bukayev <a href="https://chessproblem.my-free-games.com/chess/games/ChessArticle.php?art=C55" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>. White gets the advantage after 7...Bd6 8.Bxc6+, and 7...Ne7 8.c3, and 7...Nb4 8.a3, and after other responses (this article considers them too).</p>
  <p>So 5.Nxe4 isn't only the good way, it's also the way to White's advantage. The move 5.Bxf7+ isn't good, it transforms the White's nice position into a bad one.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Welcome to [chess.se]! Answers are better received when they don't use too much CAPS and exclamation marks. I do think this answers the question, as it provides a possible line after 5. Nxe4.
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Answers.Text: Yury V. Bukayev doesn't appear to have a fide rating (https://ratings.fide.com/). I would need further analysis before believing that White can be better after surrendering the bishop with 8.Bxc6, while most sources consider Black to be very fine.
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Answers.Text: Mr. Evargalo, here is my answer. Players' FIDE ratings have no connection with an appraisal of a chess move. But (if you want to know) a lot of players' names are written (ratings.fide.com) with    language mistakes. Yury Bukayev's article has a proof. Are there refutations of this proof in other sources you mentioned?
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Answers.Body: <p>5.Bxf7+ has a reasonable idea behind it, in that it exposes Black's king and jettisons White's bishop before Black can use the fork trick on it that would follow with 5.Nxe4 d5. However, it has some concrete problems:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>After 5...Kxf7 6.Nxe4, Black plays 6...d5 and forms a massive center.</li>
  <li>Black's king turns out to not be vulnerable on f7. It will quickly retreat to g8 where it is relatively safe.</li>
  <li>White's knights are going to get kicked around a lot with loss of tempo. If he plays 7.Neg5+ Kg8, both ...h6 and ...e4 will attack knights that don't have very good places to flee to.</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>In contrast, after 5.Nxe4 d5, Black regains his sacrificed piece, but has to break up his pawn center in the process. After 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4, White no longer has his opening advantage but the position is relatively equal.</p>
  
  <p>The lesson from all of this is that 4.Bc4 is not a very good move. The standard alternatives are 4.Bb5 (Spanish Four Knights), 4.d4 (Scotch Four Knights), and 4.g3 (Glek Four Knights), which all keep White's opening advantage.</p>
  
  <p>P.S. I should point out that there is a third alternative for White's fifth move, 5.0-0, gambiting a pawn for a lead in development. This is likely actually better than either 5.Bxf7+ or 5.Nxe4, but if you want to play a gambit like that then there are much better ones to play than the Italian Four Knights.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Thanks for the reply, it makes sense. Although I take black's castling rights, I am loosing the center and tempos. Furthermore, black would consolidate the position.
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Body: <p>I am a low rated player and I would like to understand why 5. Nxe4 is considered to be the best move by White in the C46 Four Knights, Italian Variation Opening against 4. Nxe4 by Black instead of 5. Bxf7+.</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;&quot;]
  
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 (5. Bxf7+)
  </code></pre>
  
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Comments.Text: White also has `5.0-0` as a third option; it sacrifices a pawn after `5...Nxc3 6.dxc3`, but white is ahead in development.
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Comments.Text: There’s a Saint Louis Chess Club video going over why the Italian Four Knights is the worst variation. White thinks they can pull off a fork trick, however it eventually ends up that black forks a bishop and queen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=432VtltHVaA
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Comments.Text: Beginners tend to overestimate the value of "castling rights" which by themselves are worth less than a pawn. It onlt takes a couple of tempi to castle by hand.
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Title: The best reply to 4. Nxe4 in the C46 Four Knights, Italian Variation
ThreadText: # The best reply to 4. Nxe4 in the C46 Four Knights, Italian Variation
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2013-03-26)
  
  I am a low rated player and I would like to understand why 5. Nxe4 is considered to be the best move by White in the C46 Four Knights, Italian Variation Opening against 4. Nxe4 by Black instead of 5. Bxf7+.
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 (5. Bxf7+)
  
  ```
  
  **Tags:** opening, analysis, four-knights
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: White also has `5.0-0` as a third option; it sacrifices a pawn after `5...Nxc3 6.dxc3`, but white is ahead in development.  
  > **username_2**: There’s a Saint Louis Chess Club video going over why the Italian Four Knights is the worst variation. White thinks they can pull off a fork trick, however it eventually ends up that black forks a bishop and queen. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=432VtltHVaA  
  > **username_3**: Beginners tend to overestimate the value of "castling rights" which by themselves are worth less than a pawn. It onlt takes a couple of tempi to castle by hand.  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_5 on 2013-03-26. Score: 15 | Accepted answer
  
  5.Bxf7+ has a reasonable idea behind it, in that it exposes Black's king and jettisons White's bishop before Black can use the fork trick on it that would follow with 5.Nxe4 d5. However, it has some concrete problems:
  
  * After 5...Kxf7 6.Nxe4, Black plays 6...d5 and forms a massive center.
  * Black's king turns out to not be vulnerable on f7. It will quickly retreat to g8 where it is relatively safe.
  * White's knights are going to get kicked around a lot with loss of tempo. If he plays 7.Neg5+ Kg8, both ...h6 and ...e4 will attack knights that don't have very good places to flee to.
  
  In contrast, after 5.Nxe4 d5, Black regains his sacrificed piece, but has to break up his pawn center in the process. After 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4, White no longer has his opening advantage but the position is relatively equal.
  
  The lesson from all of this is that 4.Bc4 is not a very good move. The standard alternatives are 4.Bb5 (Spanish Four Knights), 4.d4 (Scotch Four Knights), and 4.g3 (Glek Four Knights), which all keep White's opening advantage.
  
  P.S. I should point out that there is a third alternative for White's fifth move, 5.0-0, gambiting a pawn for a lead in development. This is likely actually better than either 5.Bxf7+ or 5.Nxe4, but if you want to play a gambit like that then there are much better ones to play than the Italian Four Knights.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_6**: Of all the squares the light-squared bishop can go to, b5 is best.  
  > **username_0**: Thanks for the reply, it makes sense. Although I take black's castling rights, I am loosing the center and tempos. Furthermore, black would consolidate the position.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2013-03-26. Score: 4
  
  I would agree that the first scenario presented is the better move for two reasons:
  
  1. It allows White to maintain control of its side of the center. In the second scenario, White is giving Black a foothold in this valuable space (e4).
  2. In the second scenario, White forces Black's king to move, and thereby prevents it from castling. While that is an advantage for White, has to sacrifice a bishop (early) to get it.
  
  It comes down to risk vs. reward. White's reward of maintaining control of the center (the better of the two rewards, IMO) can be achieved with less risk (first scenario), than preventing Black from castling can be.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_5**: Material is going to be equal in both cases, so there's no sacrifice involved.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_6 on 2013-03-26. Score: 2
  
  `4. Bc4` is a mistake because it leads to a fork trick for Black:
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Nxe4 d5
  
  ```
  
  Given this fork trick, the best square for the light-squared bishop is `b5`, so I would altogether avoid playing `4. Bc4`.
  
  After `5. Bxf7+`, I still do not think white has the advantage, for example, after:
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5. Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Nxe4 d5
  
  ```
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_5**: The mistake is 4.Bc4, not 5.Nxe4. 5.Nxe4 is regarded by theory as the best try for White after 4.Bc4 Nxe4.  
  > **username_6**: @username_5 - True. That is why I said to avoid playing 4. Bc4 anyways, but if White does play 4. Bc4 and black captures on e4, I was just pointing out that it would be a mistake for white to capture back.  I had originally put 4. Bc4 as the mistake, but changed it, so I just changed it back :)  
  > **username_5**: It is not a mistake to capture back with 5.Nxe4; it is better than playing 5.Bxf7+. See my separate answer.  
  > **username_6**: @username_5 - But if White plays 5. Nxe4 and black plays 5...d5 forking the bishop and knight, I would consider it a mistake.  You will lose either a bishop or knight for a pawn.  
  > **username_5**: White just won a knight for a pawn with 4...Nxe4 5.Nxe4, so he is not losing any material. White's two options if he doesn't want to be down a pawn are 5.Nxe4 and 5.Bxf7+. Both end up in a position with equal material, but White's position is better in the former one.  
  > **username_0**: Yep, at first glance Bxf7+, looks tempt because black loose the castling rights & black king is somewhat fragil. Whit your continuation, white can play Nf3-Ng5+ & then Qf3 with mate threats?  
  > **username_5**: 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6.Nfg5+ Kg8 7.Qf3 does threaten Qf7#, but the mate threat is easily parried with, say, 7...Qd7. Then White must retreat his e4 knight which is still being attacked, and then Black will kick back the other one with ...h6, and White's attack has not gone anywhere.  
  > **username_0**: @username_5 I may had not express my self correctly. I was referring to an line like: 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. Bc4 Nxe4 5.Bxf7+ Kxf7 6. Nxe4 d5 7. Nf3g5 Ke8 8. Qf3. Nevertheless, this is easy to defend.  
  > **username_5**: @username_0 I meant the same thing, but accidentally left out the move-pair 6.Nxe4 d5. Thanks for the correction.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_7 on 2021-06-23. Score: 1
  
  I disagree with commentators on 4.Bc4. There is a article on 4.Bc4 Nxe4 5.Nxe4 d5 6.Bd3 dxe4 7.Bxe4 Bd6 8.Bxc6+ etc. by Yury V. Bukayev [here](https://chessproblem.my-free-games.com/chess/games/ChessArticle.php?art=C55). White gets the advantage after 7...Bd6 8.Bxc6+, and 7...Ne7 8.c3, and 7...Nb4 8.a3, and after other responses (this article considers them too).
  
  So 5.Nxe4 isn't only the good way, it's also the way to White's advantage. The move 5.Bxf7+ isn't good, it transforms the White's nice position into a bad one.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_8**: Welcome to [chess.se]! Answers are better received when they don't use too much CAPS and exclamation marks. I do think this answers the question, as it provides a possible line after 5. Nxe4.  
  > **username_9**: Yury V. Bukayev doesn't appear to have a fide rating (https://ratings.fide.com/). I would need further analysis before believing that White can be better after surrendering the bishop with 8.Bxc6, while most sources consider Black to be very fine.  
  > **username_7**: Mr. username_9, here is my answer. Players' FIDE ratings have no connection with an appraisal of a chess move. But (if you want to know) a lot of players' names are written (ratings.fide.com) with    language mistakes. Yury Bukayev's article has a proof. Are there refutations of this proof in other sources you mentioned?  
  
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