Answers.Body: <p>First off, let me say I've not put your game through an engine. I'm assuming you can do that yourself and in any case they're not terribly good at endgames.</p>
  
  <p>Now for some appropriate general principles and observations:</p>
  
  <p>1) King, Knight and pawn endgames are very similar to king and pawn endgames. The same kind of principles apply. With enough pawns on the board and an extra, distant passed pawn you should be looking for the win.</p>
  
  <p>2) If the knights come off then it is an easy win for you</p>
  
  <p>3) If too many pawns come off it is an easy draw for your opponent. He seems to have known what he was doing from about move 33 because with pawn advances and good use of his knight that is exactly what he achieved.</p>
  
  <p>4) Two related principles. Pawns can only move forwards. They cannot move back. Patience is often the key to good endgame play. The immediate 33) ... b5 is too impatient.</p>
  
  <p>5) On a4 your knight is badly offside. Your first task, given your opponent's immediate lack of threats, should be to get it over to the kingside where the action is. d4 looks like a wonderful square.</p>
  
  <p>6) By the same token your opponent's knight is also in need of some improvement. d5 looks like the right square. From there it keeps half an eye on your b pawn, stays in touch with the kingside pawns and threatens your f6 pawn. Either your king is going to be tied down to its defence or it is going to have to advance and be swapped off. One small step closer to a draw. You should try and prevent this.</p>
  
  <p>So, what I suggest for your first possible mini-plan is Na4 - c5+ - e6 - d4.</p>
  
  <p>What happens next depends on white's reaction. I think it would be a mistake for him to go for your b pawn with something like Kd3 - c4 - b5 - b6. You would go for his pawns with your knight starting with Nc2 with the threat of Ne1 forking the f3 and g2 pawns. After Nc2 one possible (non-forcing) line might be:</p>
  
  <p>1) g3  h5 2) Nf2 Ne3 (now aiming for f1 forking the h2 and g3 pawns) 3) h3 Nf1 4) g4 h4 and white's pawn structure is badly compromised.</p>
  
  <p>More sensible for white would be a compromise where he plays Kd3 - c4 but then aims for Ng4 - e3 - d5+. Black might counter this by Ne6 - f4 instead of d4 to temporarily prevent Nd5+ and to start harrying white's pawns.</p>
  
  <p>A second possible mini plan for black would be to start with Na4 - b2+. If white plays the tempting Kd3 - c3 than the paradoxical Nb2 - d1+ followed by h5 is going to force the knights off at the cost of a pawn when black's outside passed pawn plus better king position is going to win it for him. </p>
  
  <p>So white can't play Kd3-c3. So white needs to play his king to c2. Then black can play his knight to c4 to prevent white's knight coming to e3 and protect the knight with b5 if attacked by the king.</p>
  
  <p>If white goes after the b5 pawn with Kc3-b4 then black forces the white knight to the more passive f2 with h5. Rather than defend the b5 pawn passively with Nc4-d6 he could go after the white pawns with Ne3. Then I would suggest a (non forcing) sequence something like this:</p>
  
  <p>1) g4 h4 2) Nd3 h3 3) Nf2 Nc2+ 4) Kxb5 Nd4+ 5) Kc4 Nxf3 6) Nf2 Nxh2 and, OK, with just 3 black pawns left it is looking difficult to win. </p>
  
  <p>So, either defend the b5 pawn with Nd6 or go back to the Na4-c5+ plan.</p>
  
  <p>If either of these two plans is black's best I'm not good enough to say, but they do pose white major problems to steer it to a draw. You have to make it as difficult as possible for white to find good moves in these positions.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Many thanks, advice like point 1 are really appreciated.
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Body: <p>Below is my effort from last night in the league. </p>
  
  <pre><code>[Event "My Team v. Their Team"]
  [Date "2016.10.20"]
  [White "A. Nonymous"]
  [Black "Ian Bush"]
  [ECO "A31"]
  [Result "1/2-1/3"]
  [WhiteElo "170"]
  [BlackElo "148"]
  [FEN ""]
  
  1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nc2 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.a3 Be6 8.e4 
  Nb6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Nc3 N8d7 11.Be2 Nc5 12.O-O Nb3 13.Rd1+ Kc7 14.Rb1 Bc5 
  15.Be3 Rad8 16.Bxc5 Nxc5 17.b4 Nca4 18.Nxa4 Nxa4 19.Ne3 Nb6 20.Bg4 Bxg4 
  21.Nxg4 Rxd1+ 22.Rxd1 f6 23.Ne3 Rd8 24.Rxd8 Kxd8 25.Nf5 Nc4 26.a4 g6 27.
  Nh6 Ke7 28.f3 a5 29.bxa5 Nxa5 30.Ng4 Nc4 31.Kf2 Nb2 32.Ke3 Nxa4 33.Kd3 b5 
  34.Ne3 Kd6 35.g4 Nb6 36.Kc3 Kc5 37.h4 h5 38.gxh5 gxh5 39.Nf5 b4+ 40.Kb3 
  Nc4 41.Ng3 Nd2+ 42.Kb2 Nxf3 43.Nxh5 Nxh4 44.Nxf6 Kc4 45.Nd7 Nf3 46.Nb6+ 
  Kc5 47.Nd7+ Kd6 48.Nf6 Ke6 49.Nd5 1/2-1/2
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>I'm currently rated ECF 148, ~1810 FIDE. As you can see my higher rated opponent (ECF 170 which is ~1975 FIDE) pushed too hard after declining a draw offer after 19 ... Nb6, and then dropped a pawn; however I couldn't win the game. As such I was wondering if people could help point out where I went wrong, if indeed I did go wrong, I'm not even sure if the ending is won or not. In retrospect I'm wondering if 37 ... h5 is all that good, all those pawns dropping off I feel can only be good for him, but maybe h5 was a symptom of earlier mistakes - should I be trying to get f5 in? More generally what thoughts should I be having in knight and pawn endings? I was playing pretty much in the dark. And if anybody wants to look at the rest of the game that would be great as well!</p>
  
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Comments.Text: It is often a lot easier to evaluate knight endgames than it is to actually play them, so you shouldn't feel very bad for not being able to convert this into a victory. One idea for improvement I can spot at the moment is that you maybe could have gone for the idea Nc5-e6-f4/g5 at move 33 instead of ...b5. In the game your knight got out of play on a4.
Comments.UserDisplayName: Scounged
Tags: <analysis><knight-endgame>
Title: Engame Play: Knight Endings
ThreadText: # Engame Play: Knight Endings
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2016-10-21)
  
  Below is my effort from last night in the league.
  
  ```
  [Event "My Team v. Their Team"]
  [Date "2016.10.20"]
  [White "A. Nonymous"]
  [Black "Ian username_0"]
  [ECO "A31"]
  [Result "1/2-1/3"]
  [WhiteElo "170"]
  [BlackElo "148"]
  [FEN ""]
  
  1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 c5 3.Nf3 cxd4 4.Nxd4 e5 5.Nc2 d5 6.cxd5 Nxd5 7.a3 Be6 8.e4 
  Nb6 9.Qxd8+ Kxd8 10.Nc3 N8d7 11.Be2 Nc5 12.O-O Nb3 13.Rd1+ Kc7 14.Rb1 Bc5 
  15.Be3 Rad8 16.Bxc5 Nxc5 17.b4 Nca4 18.Nxa4 Nxa4 19.Ne3 Nb6 20.Bg4 Bxg4 
  21.Nxg4 Rxd1+ 22.Rxd1 f6 23.Ne3 Rd8 24.Rxd8 Kxd8 25.Nf5 Nc4 26.a4 g6 27.
  Nh6 Ke7 28.f3 a5 29.bxa5 Nxa5 30.Ng4 Nc4 31.Kf2 Nb2 32.Ke3 Nxa4 33.Kd3 b5 
  34.Ne3 Kd6 35.g4 Nb6 36.Kc3 Kc5 37.h4 h5 38.gxh5 gxh5 39.Nf5 b4+ 40.Kb3 
  Nc4 41.Ng3 Nd2+ 42.Kb2 Nxf3 43.Nxh5 Nxh4 44.Nxf6 Kc4 45.Nd7 Nf3 46.Nb6+ 
  Kc5 47.Nd7+ Kd6 48.Nf6 Ke6 49.Nd5 1/2-1/2
  
  ```
  
  I'm currently rated ECF 148, ~1810 FIDE. As you can see my higher rated opponent (ECF 170 which is ~1975 FIDE) pushed too hard after declining a draw offer after 19 ... Nb6, and then dropped a pawn; however I couldn't win the game. As such I was wondering if people could help point out where I went wrong, if indeed I did go wrong, I'm not even sure if the ending is won or not. In retrospect I'm wondering if 37 ... h5 is all that good, all those pawns dropping off I feel can only be good for him, but maybe h5 was a symptom of earlier mistakes - should I be trying to get f5 in? More generally what thoughts should I be having in knight and pawn endings? I was playing pretty much in the dark. And if anybody wants to look at the rest of the game that would be great as well!
  
  **Tags:** analysis, knight-endgame
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: It is often a lot easier to evaluate knight endgames than it is to actually play them, so you shouldn't feel very bad for not being able to convert this into a victory. One idea for improvement I can spot at the moment is that you maybe could have gone for the idea Nc5-e6-f4/g5 at move 33 instead of ...b5. In the game your knight got out of play on a4.  
  
  ---
  
  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_2 on 2016-10-24. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  First off, let me say I've not put your game through an engine. I'm assuming you can do that yourself and in any case they're not terribly good at endgames.
  
  Now for some appropriate general principles and observations:
  
  1) King, Knight and pawn endgames are very similar to king and pawn endgames. The same kind of principles apply. With enough pawns on the board and an extra, distant passed pawn you should be looking for the win.
  
  2) If the knights come off then it is an easy win for you
  
  3) If too many pawns come off it is an easy draw for your opponent. He seems to have known what he was doing from about move 33 because with pawn advances and good use of his knight that is exactly what he achieved.
  
  4) Two related principles. Pawns can only move forwards. They cannot move back. Patience is often the key to good endgame play. The immediate 33) ... b5 is too impatient.
  
  5) On a4 your knight is badly offside. Your first task, given your opponent's immediate lack of threats, should be to get it over to the kingside where the action is. d4 looks like a wonderful square.
  
  6) By the same token your opponent's knight is also in need of some improvement. d5 looks like the right square. From there it keeps half an eye on your b pawn, stays in touch with the kingside pawns and threatens your f6 pawn. Either your king is going to be tied down to its defence or it is going to have to advance and be swapped off. One small step closer to a draw. You should try and prevent this.
  
  So, what I suggest for your first possible mini-plan is Na4 - c5+ - e6 - d4.
  
  What happens next depends on white's reaction. I think it would be a mistake for him to go for your b pawn with something like Kd3 - c4 - b5 - b6. You would go for his pawns with your knight starting with Nc2 with the threat of Ne1 forking the f3 and g2 pawns. After Nc2 one possible (non-forcing) line might be:
  
  1) g3 h5 2) Nf2 Ne3 (now aiming for f1 forking the h2 and g3 pawns) 3) h3 Nf1 4) g4 h4 and white's pawn structure is badly compromised.
  
  More sensible for white would be a compromise where he plays Kd3 - c4 but then aims for Ng4 - e3 - d5+. Black might counter this by Ne6 - f4 instead of d4 to temporarily prevent Nd5+ and to start harrying white's pawns.
  
  A second possible mini plan for black would be to start with Na4 - b2+. If white plays the tempting Kd3 - c3 than the paradoxical Nb2 - d1+ followed by h5 is going to force the knights off at the cost of a pawn when black's outside passed pawn plus better king position is going to win it for him.
  
  So white can't play Kd3-c3. So white needs to play his king to c2. Then black can play his knight to c4 to prevent white's knight coming to e3 and protect the knight with b5 if attacked by the king.
  
  If white goes after the b5 pawn with Kc3-b4 then black forces the white knight to the more passive f2 with h5. Rather than defend the b5 pawn passively with Nc4-d6 he could go after the white pawns with Ne3. Then I would suggest a (non forcing) sequence something like this:
  
  1) g4 h4 2) Nd3 h3 3) Nf2 Nc2+ 4) Kxb5 Nd4+ 5) Kc4 Nxf3 6) Nf2 Nxh2 and, OK, with just 3 black pawns left it is looking difficult to win.
  
  So, either defend the b5 pawn with Nd6 or go back to the Na4-c5+ plan.
  
  If either of these two plans is black's best I'm not good enough to say, but they do pose white major problems to steer it to a draw. You have to make it as difficult as possible for white to find good moves in these positions.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Many thanks, advice like point 1 are really appreciated.  
  
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