Answers.Body: <p>In addition to RemcoGerlich's excellent answer, here is some computer analysis using the program <a href="http://stockfishchess.org/download/" rel="nofollow">Stockfish DD 64 SSE4.2</a>.</p>
  
  <p>Notation used - </p>
  
  <blockquote>
    <p><strong>!</strong> - Good move</p>
    
    <p><strong>!?</strong> - Interesting move</p>
    
    <p><strong>?!</strong> - Dubious move</p>
    
    <p><strong>?</strong> - Bad move</p>
    
    <p><strong>??</strong> - Very bad move</p>
  </blockquote>
  
  <pre><code>      [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
        1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 $2 (2. c4 $5) 2... Nxe4 3. Bc4 $6 (3. Bd3 $5) 3... Nxf2 (3...d5!) $4 4.
        Kxf2 d5! 5. Bxd5 $4 (5. Bb3 $1) 5... Qxd5 6. Ke1 $2 (6. Nf3 $1) 6... e5 $2 (6...
        Qxg2 $1 7. Qf3 Qxc2) 7. dxe5 $2 (7. Nf3 $1) 7... Qxe5+ (7... Qxg2 $1 8. Qf3
        Qxc2) 8. Qe2 $1 Bb4+ (8... Qxe2+ $5) 9. c3 Nc6 $4 (9... Qxe2+ 10. Nxe2 Bc5) 10.
        Nf3 $4 (10. cxb4 $1) 10... Qe7 $4 (10... Qxe2+ $1 11. Kxe2 Bd6) 11. cxb4 O-O? (11...Nxb4!)
        12. Bg5 $2 (12. Qxe7 $1 Nxe7 13. Nc3) 12... Qxb4+ 13. Nbd2 (13. Kf2 $1) 13...
        Bg4 $1 14. a3 $2 Qc5 $2 (14... Qxb2 $1) 15. Be7 $4 (15. Be3 $1 Qh5 16. Kf2)
        15... Nd4 $4 (15... Nxe7 $1) 16. Nxd4 $2 (16. Bxc5 $1 Nxe2 17. Bxf8) 16... Qxd4
        17. Nf3 $1 Qd7 18. Bc5 $4 (18. Rd1 $1) 18... Rae8 $1 19. Rd1 $4 (19. Be3!) Qa4?? 
        (19...Rxe2+ $1 20. Kxe2 Qb5+ 21. Kf2 Qxc5+) 
  </code></pre>
  
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Answers.Text: So `18...Rae8!` is a `!` move!?, But why not `18...Rfe8`?
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Answers.Text: 18...Rae8 and 18...Rfe8 are both equivalent. White's best move is 19. Be3, but after that Black plays 19...Bxf3 20. Qxf3 20...Rxe3 followed by Re8. So it amounts to the same thing.
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Answers.Text: Got it. Thank You. I wonder what `!` was for then :).
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Answers.Text: They're both good moves! :D
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Answers.Body: <p>The way I see it, neither of you was aggressive in the opening -- you both tried to get rid of your pieces as quickly as possible! Being aggressive is getting many pieces in active positions quickly, not giving them away.</p>
  
  <p>When we give advice, we have to take into account the level of the players. Both of you need to work on the most basic skill first: <strong>Piece safety</strong>. The first skill to learn is to recognize when undefended pieces can simply be captured, to always do that if your opponent gives you the chance, and to never give him the chance to just take a whole piece without repercussions. The moment one of you starts doing that, he'll blow the other off the board completely.</p>
  
  <p>Let's show a number of positions where this was the case:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 2"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>After 2.e4?, black can take a pawn for free, and he does.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/8/8/2BP4/8/PPP2nPP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - 0 4"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Black gives away a full knight with 3...Nxf2. Why??</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/8/3B4/3P4/8/PPP2KPP/RNBQ2NR b kq - 0 5"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>White returns the favour immediately! Why give away a bishop with 5.Bxd5 when you could have just retreated it, say to d3?</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/4q3/1b6/2P5/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K1NR w kq - 1 10"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>After 9...Nc6, black has done nothing to prevent white taking the bishop on b4! Had he played 9...Qxe2+ 10.Nxe2 Bc5 instead he wouldn't have lost a piece.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/4q3/1b6/2P2N2/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K2R b kq - 2 10"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>But white doesn't take it!</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp1qppp/2n5/8/1b6/2P2N2/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K2R w kq - 3 11"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Black still ignores the threat to his bishop! He could still have played 10...Qxe2+ and then move the bishop.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r4rk1/ppp1Bppp/2n5/2q5/6b1/P4N2/1P1NQ1PP/R3K2R b - - 2 15"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>White just played 15.Be7??, giving away his bishop. It's attacked twice (by the knight on c6 and the queen on c5), and only defended by the queen, so black could just have played 15...Qxe7 or 15...Nxe7 !</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r4rk1/ppp1Bppp/8/2q5/3n2b1/P4N2/1P1NQ1PP/R3K2R w - - 3 16"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Instead, black insists on giving away a knight himself with 15...Nd4. If white simply answers 16.Bxc5 Nxe2 17.Kxe2, white has won a full knight.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "r4rk1/pppqBppp/8/8/6b1/P4N2/1P2Q1PP/R3K2R w - - 2 18"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>Now white is in some trouble, because he never bothered to get his king out of the center and a rook is threatening to come to the e-file, capturing the queen. There are two options: move the king away (it can't castle anymore, it moved to f2 in the opening) and defend the bishop with 18.Kf2 Rfe8 19.Rhe1. White will try to move his queen out of the pin next, say with 20.Qd1, so he's better. The other option is to take the offered rook with 18.Bxf8 Re8 19.Bb4 Rxe2+ 20.Kxe2, and white has two rooks and a bishop for the queen, which is good.</p>
  
  <p>But the point is: if you see nothing of that, then you play Bxf8, because the rook is worth more than the bishop.</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "4rrk1/ppp2ppp/8/2B5/q5b1/P4N2/1P2Q1PP/3RK2R w - - 6 20"]
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>But white didn't and we get to the end of the game, white is in trouble. But black for some reason moved the rook from <em>a8</em> to e8, so that the one on f8 can still be captured.</p>
  
  <p>After 19.Bxf8 Rxe2+ 20.Kxe2 Kxf8 white has two rooks for a queen and two pawns, his king is in the middle and his rooks aren't active. White is lost. But that means nothing as long as both players keep giving away pieces at the same rate as they've done so far, anything can still happen.</p>
  
  <p>Edit: as AlwaysLearningNewStuff points out, in the final position white can block the attack on the queen with 19.Be3!, he's still a knight up for two pawns, and he can probably untangle his position with Kf2, Rhe1 et cetera. That's much better.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: After `Kxf2` he can not castle. Maybe you should edit your answer where you recommend White to castle. Other than this small mistake, everything else is very well answered. Upvoted. Best regards.
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Answers.Text: The other thing is that the bishop isn't lost at all in that line, white can still defend it... time for me to sleep :-)
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Answers.Text: Awesome answer, Thanks a lot for take time to explain me a lot mistakes that I and the opponent did. I feel bad, but I'll try don't make it again.
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Answers.Text: White can play `Be3` in the last diagram and simply untangle...
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Answers.Text: Haha. I've been a bit too harsh, considering the blunders I'm making myself...
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Body: <p>How could I defend/attack in this situation? I feel that I'm in big trouble.   </p>
  
  <pre><code> [FEN ""] 
  1.d4 Nf6 
  2.e4 Nxe4 
  3.Bc4 Nxf2 
  4.Kxf2 d5 
  5.Bxd5 Qxd5 
  6.Ke1 e5 
  7.dxe5 Qxe5+ 
  8.Qe2 Bb4+ 
  9.c3 Nc6 
  10.Nf3 Qe7 
  11.cxb4 O-O 
  12.Bg5 Qxb4+ 
  13.Nbd2 Bg4 
  14.a3 Qc5 
  15.Be7 Nd4 
  16.Nxd4 Qxd4 
  17.Nf3 Qd7 
  18.Bc5 Rae8 
  19.Rd1 Qa4
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>At the end I won, but thanks to my opponent, because he made a lot of mistakes.</p>
  
  <p>P.S.: if anybody could give me any recommendation, to how I could defend when, the other player, moves very aggressively in the opening, it'd be welcome.</p>
  
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Comments.Text: At the fundamental level, the answer is that both you and your opponent should attack and defend by not throwing pieces away. Until you can reliably tell when a piece can just be taken on the next move, nothing else matters. Once you've matered that, look into tactics: essentially, being able to tell when a piece can be forced off the board a couple of moves from now.
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Comments.Text: @DavidRicherby is correct.  The game is very even but pretty rough. You have a golden opportunity right now to really get an upper hand on your opponent by studying the basics.  After you cream him a few times, be sure to teach him what you know.
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Comments.Text: The way I see it - as random moves from both sides. Looking at the post, I can not understand, either you are really serious or trolling: it is really hard to find a move which is not a big mistake. Also what do you mean by "could defend with b4!". When, on what move, what side are you playing?
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Comments.Text: @SalvadorDali First I'm not trolling, Second If you enter in my profile you'll see my first question about How to start to play chess obviusly I'm not a gooood player, third maybe I did a mistake writting b4!, I'll edit it, fourth Why wes and RemcoGerlich understan my question?, fifth Everybody  not born with all knowledge.
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Comments.Text: @Freak_Droid sorry, but I do not actually have time to look at all profiles and investigate people's history and knowledge. I also can not guess that you have done a mistake: all I see is a long game and should I play b4. May be wes and rem just better than me. I will tell even more - no one born with all knowledge. But in my opinion your question is obvious - you know that your game is not good and the way to improve any game was highlighted here: learn openings, learn basic theory, solve basic problems, get an engine and ask it to analyse (surprise that is what wes done: copypaste+copypaste)
Comments.UserDisplayName: Salvador Dali
Tags: <theory><defense><attack>
Title: How could I defend/attack in this situation?
ThreadText: # How could I defend/attack in this situation?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2014-04-12)
  
  How could I defend/attack in this situation? I feel that I'm in big trouble.
  
  ```
   [FEN ""] 
  1.d4 Nf6 
  2.e4 Nxe4 
  3.Bc4 Nxf2 
  4.Kxf2 d5 
  5.Bxd5 Qxd5 
  6.Ke1 e5 
  7.dxe5 Qxe5+ 
  8.Qe2 Bb4+ 
  9.c3 Nc6 
  10.Nf3 Qe7 
  11.cxb4 O-O 
  12.Bg5 Qxb4+ 
  13.Nbd2 Bg4 
  14.a3 Qc5 
  15.Be7 Nd4 
  16.Nxd4 Qxd4 
  17.Nf3 Qd7 
  18.Bc5 Rae8 
  19.Rd1 Qa4
  
  ```
  
  At the end I won, but thanks to my opponent, because he made a lot of mistakes.
  
  P.S.: if anybody could give me any recommendation, to how I could defend when, the other player, moves very aggressively in the opening, it'd be welcome.
  
  **Tags:** theory, defense, attack
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: At the fundamental level, the answer is that both you and your opponent should attack and defend by not throwing pieces away. Until you can reliably tell when a piece can just be taken on the next move, nothing else matters. Once you've matered that, look into tactics: essentially, being able to tell when a piece can be forced off the board a couple of moves from now.  
  > **username_2**: @username_1 is correct.  The game is very even but pretty rough. You have a golden opportunity right now to really get an upper hand on your opponent by studying the basics.  After you cream him a few times, be sure to teach him what you know.  
  > **username_3**: The way I see it - as random moves from both sides. Looking at the post, I can not understand, either you are really serious or trolling: it is really hard to find a move which is not a big mistake. Also what do you mean by "could defend with b4!". When, on what move, what side are you playing?  
  > **username_0**: @username_3 First I'm not trolling, Second If you enter in my profile you'll see my first question about How to start to play chess obviusly I'm not a gooood player, third maybe I did a mistake writting b4!, I'll edit it, fourth Why wes and username_6 understan my question?, fifth Everybody  not born with all knowledge.  
  > **username_3**: @Freak_Droid sorry, but I do not actually have time to look at all profiles and investigate people's history and knowledge. I also can not guess that you have done a mistake: all I see is a long game and should I play b4. May be wes and rem just better than me. I will tell even more - no one born with all knowledge. But in my opinion your question is obvious - you know that your game is not good and the way to improve any game was highlighted here: learn openings, learn basic theory, solve basic problems, get an engine and ask it to analyse (surprise that is what wes done: copypaste+copypaste)  
  
  ---
  
  ## 2 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_6 on 2014-04-12. Score: 12 | Accepted answer
  
  The way I see it, neither of you was aggressive in the opening -- you both tried to get rid of your pieces as quickly as possible! Being aggressive is getting many pieces in active positions quickly, not giving them away.
  
  When we give advice, we have to take into account the level of the players. Both of you need to work on the most basic skill first: **Piece safety**. The first skill to learn is to recognize when undefended pieces can simply be captured, to always do that if your opponent gives you the chance, and to never give him the chance to just take a whole piece without repercussions. The moment one of you starts doing that, he'll blow the other off the board completely.
  
  Let's show a number of positions where this was the case:
  
  ```
  [FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/5n2/8/3PP3/8/PPP2PPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 2"]
  
  ```
  
  After 2.e4?, black can take a pawn for free, and he does.
  
  ```
  [FEN "rnbqkb1r/pppppppp/8/8/2BP4/8/PPP2nPP/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - 0 4"]
  
  ```
  
  Black gives away a full knight with 3...Nxf2. Why??
  
  ```
  [FEN "rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/8/3B4/3P4/8/PPP2KPP/RNBQ2NR b kq - 0 5"]
  
  ```
  
  White returns the favour immediately! Why give away a bishop with 5.Bxd5 when you could have just retreated it, say to d3?
  
  ```
  [FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/4q3/1b6/2P5/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K1NR w kq - 1 10"]
  
  ```
  
  After 9...Nc6, black has done nothing to prevent white taking the bishop on b4! Had he played 9...Qxe2+ 10.Nxe2 Bc5 instead he wouldn't have lost a piece.
  
  ```
  [FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp2ppp/2n5/4q3/1b6/2P2N2/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K2R b kq - 2 10"]
  
  ```
  
  But white doesn't take it!
  
  ```
  [FEN "r1b1k2r/ppp1qppp/2n5/8/1b6/2P2N2/PP2Q1PP/RNB1K2R w kq - 3 11"]
  
  ```
  
  Black still ignores the threat to his bishop! He could still have played 10...Qxe2+ and then move the bishop.
  
  ```
  [FEN "r4rk1/ppp1Bppp/2n5/2q5/6b1/P4N2/1P1NQ1PP/R3K2R b - - 2 15"]
  
  ```
  
  White just played 15.Be7??, giving away his bishop. It's attacked twice (by the knight on c6 and the queen on c5), and only defended by the queen, so black could just have played 15...Qxe7 or 15...Nxe7 !
  
  ```
  [FEN "r4rk1/ppp1Bppp/8/2q5/3n2b1/P4N2/1P1NQ1PP/R3K2R w - - 3 16"]
  
  ```
  
  Instead, black insists on giving away a knight himself with 15...Nd4. If white simply answers 16.Bxc5 Nxe2 17.Kxe2, white has won a full knight.
  
  ```
  [FEN "r4rk1/pppqBppp/8/8/6b1/P4N2/1P2Q1PP/R3K2R w - - 2 18"]
  
  ```
  
  Now white is in some trouble, because he never bothered to get his king out of the center and a rook is threatening to come to the e-file, capturing the queen. There are two options: move the king away (it can't castle anymore, it moved to f2 in the opening) and defend the bishop with 18.Kf2 Rfe8 19.Rhe1. White will try to move his queen out of the pin next, say with 20.Qd1, so he's better. The other option is to take the offered rook with 18.Bxf8 Re8 19.Bb4 Rxe2+ 20.Kxe2, and white has two rooks and a bishop for the queen, which is good.
  
  But the point is: if you see nothing of that, then you play Bxf8, because the rook is worth more than the bishop.
  
  ```
  [FEN "4rrk1/ppp2ppp/8/2B5/q5b1/P4N2/1P2Q1PP/3RK2R w - - 6 20"]
  
  ```
  
  But white didn't and we get to the end of the game, white is in trouble. But black for some reason moved the rook from *a8* to e8, so that the one on f8 can still be captured.
  
  After 19.Bxf8 Rxe2+ 20.Kxe2 Kxf8 white has two rooks for a queen and two pawns, his king is in the middle and his rooks aren't active. White is lost. But that means nothing as long as both players keep giving away pieces at the same rate as they've done so far, anything can still happen.
  
  Edit: as username_7 points out, in the final position white can block the attack on the queen with 19.Be3!, he's still a knight up for two pawns, and he can probably untangle his position with Kf2, Rhe1 et cetera. That's much better.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_7**: After `Kxf2` he can not castle. Maybe you should edit your answer where you recommend White to castle. Other than this small mistake, everything else is very well answered. Upvoted. Best regards.  
  > **username_6**: The other thing is that the bishop isn't lost at all in that line, white can still defend it... time for me to sleep :-)  
  > **username_0**: Awesome answer, Thanks a lot for take time to explain me a lot mistakes that I and the opponent did. I feel bad, but I'll try don't make it again.  
  > **username_7**: White can play `Be3` in the last diagram and simply untangle...  
  > **username_6**: Haha. I've been a bit too harsh, considering the blunders I'm making myself...  
  
  ---
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2014-04-13. Score: 2
  
  In addition to username_6's excellent answer, here is some computer analysis using the program [Stockfish DD 64 SSE4.2](http://stockfishchess.org/download/).
  
  Notation used -
  
  > **!** - Good move
  >
  > **!?** - Interesting move
  >
  > **?!** - Dubious move
  >
  > **?** - Bad move
  >
  > **??** - Very bad move
  
  ```
        [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
        1. d4 Nf6 2. e4 $2 (2. c4 $5) 2... Nxe4 3. Bc4 $6 (3. Bd3 $5) 3... Nxf2 (3...d5!) $4 4.
        Kxf2 d5! 5. Bxd5 $4 (5. Bb3 $1) 5... Qxd5 6. Ke1 $2 (6. Nf3 $1) 6... e5 $2 (6...
        Qxg2 $1 7. Qf3 Qxc2) 7. dxe5 $2 (7. Nf3 $1) 7... Qxe5+ (7... Qxg2 $1 8. Qf3
        Qxc2) 8. Qe2 $1 Bb4+ (8... Qxe2+ $5) 9. c3 Nc6 $4 (9... Qxe2+ 10. Nxe2 Bc5) 10.
        Nf3 $4 (10. cxb4 $1) 10... Qe7 $4 (10... Qxe2+ $1 11. Kxe2 Bd6) 11. cxb4 O-O? (11...Nxb4!)
        12. Bg5 $2 (12. Qxe7 $1 Nxe7 13. Nc3) 12... Qxb4+ 13. Nbd2 (13. Kf2 $1) 13...
        Bg4 $1 14. a3 $2 Qc5 $2 (14... Qxb2 $1) 15. Be7 $4 (15. Be3 $1 Qh5 16. Kf2)
        15... Nd4 $4 (15... Nxe7 $1) 16. Nxd4 $2 (16. Bxc5 $1 Nxe2 17. Bxf8) 16... Qxd4
        17. Nf3 $1 Qd7 18. Bc5 $4 (18. Rd1 $1) 18... Rae8 $1 19. Rd1 $4 (19. Be3!) Qa4?? 
        (19...Rxe2+ $1 20. Kxe2 Qb5+ 21. Kf2 Qxc5+) 
  
  ```
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_5**: So `18...Rae8!` is a `!` move!?, But why not `18...Rfe8`?  
  > **username_4**: 18...Rae8 and 18...Rfe8 are both equivalent. White's best move is 19. Be3, but after that Black plays 19...Bxf3 20. Qxf3 20...Rxe3 followed by Re8. So it amounts to the same thing.  
  > **username_5**: Got it. Thank You. I wonder what `!` was for then :).  
  > **username_4**: They're both good moves! :D  
  
  ---
  
  