Answers.Body: <p>If you can guarantee that your opponent isn't going to play the Scandinavian (1...d5) or Alekhine's Defence (1...Nf6) then you might get away with it but either one of those replies by black is going to leave your pre-moved 2.f4 giving you a roughly one pawn disadvantage. So, not a good idea.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: No guarantees in honest chess :) But at the level I'm playing at (~1650 bullet on Lichess), a pawn down in the opening isn't a big problem.
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Answers.Text: I'd imagine that `1.e4 f5 2.f4 fxe4` is not great for white either.
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Answers.Text: @Akavall: Lichess calls that the "Bird Opening: Wagner-Zwitersch Gambit" and Stockfish gives it -0.7 (so it's unsound but not absurd). Lichess also digs up [this game](https://lichess.org/cnAZnY15#4) between MVL and Wesley So, which I did not expect.
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Answers.Text: @Kevin, I did not expect it to be actually playable. Interesting. Thank You.
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Answers.Text: Heh, apparently I've played the first 3 half-moves of that 3 times as white, and lost all three. :)
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Answers.Body: <p>I don't play 1...e5 anymore but when I did I played 2...d5 (Falkbeer) following a Morphy game from back in the day.</p>
  <p>Also, Fischer published a <a href="http://brooklyn64.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/a-bust-to-the-kings-gambit.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">refutation to the entire line</a>. You might want to look into that.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Not a lot of people play the <em>Alekhine defense</em>, especially in bullet. so not a lot of dangerous moves for Black, except <strong>1...d5</strong> but that is <em><strong>not</strong></em> really <em>dangerous</em> provided you do not pre-move <strong>2.f4?!</strong> but even then, there's a chance that your opponent also pre-moves <strong>2...Nf6?!</strong> to which you can respond with <strong>3.e5!.</strong></p>
  <p>Nothing comes without a price. if you want those <em>extra</em> milliseconds then you have to <em><strong>accept</strong></em> the fact that once upon a time you will get in <em><strong>trouble</strong></em> if someone plays the <em><strong>dreaded</strong></em> <em><strong>1...Nf6</strong></em> or <em><strong>1...d5</strong></em>.</p>
  <p>Best of luck!</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Playing <code>e4</code> followed by <code>f4</code> can be dangerous, as black can easily and most likely will play f5 or e5 and capture your pawn, and never premove e4 f4, always proceed captiously in openings. Make sure your opponent does not play Nf6 and pick up your free pawn though!</p>
  
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Body: <p>I have a bit of a habit of playing 1.e4 with the follow-up 2.f4 in lightning (1 0) games.</p>
  <p>In response to 1..e5, it becomes the King's Gambit. Apparently, against 1..c5 it's known as the McDonnell Gambit and against 1..d5 it's the Williams Gambit.</p>
  <p>I'd like to know if there are particular responses in Black's first two moves which mean that proceeding blindly with this kind of attack is a bad idea, and to slow down and play more cautiously instead?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: I play this way in casual games and haven't encountered any challenging replies.  Many of my games become Sicilian Grand Prix Attack
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Comments.Text: Against 1. ... c5 isn't it a Grand Prix not a [McDonnell Gambit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Gambit,_McDonnell_Gambit)?
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Title: What are the most dangerous counters to 1.e4 .. 2. f4?
ThreadText: # What are the most dangerous counters to 1.e4 .. 2. f4?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2022-03-23)
  
  I have a bit of a habit of playing 1.e4 with the follow-up 2.f4 in lightning (1 0) games.
  
  In response to 1..e5, it becomes the King's Gambit. Apparently, against 1..c5 it's known as the McDonnell Gambit and against 1..d5 it's the Williams Gambit.
  
  I'd like to know if there are particular responses in Black's first two moves which mean that proceeding blindly with this kind of attack is a bad idea, and to slow down and play more cautiously instead?
  
  **Tags:** opening, gambits, kings-gambit, bullet-chess
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I play this way in casual games and haven't encountered any challenging replies.  Many of my games become Sicilian Grand Prix Attack  
  > **username_2**: Against 1. ... c5 isn't it a Grand Prix not a [McDonnell Gambit](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King%27s_Gambit,_McDonnell_Gambit)?  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2022-03-23. Score: 6
  
  If you can guarantee that your opponent isn't going to play the Scandinavian (1...d5) or Alekhine's Defence (1...Nf6) then you might get away with it but either one of those replies by black is going to leave your pre-moved 2.f4 giving you a roughly one pawn disadvantage. So, not a good idea.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: No guarantees in honest chess :) But at the level I'm playing at (~1650 bullet on Lichess), a pawn down in the opening isn't a big problem.  
  > **username_4**: I'd imagine that `1.e4 f5 2.f4 fxe4` is not great for white either.  
  > **username_5**: @username_4: Lichess calls that the "Bird Opening: Wagner-Zwitersch Gambit" and Stockfish gives it -0.7 (so it's unsound but not absurd). Lichess also digs up [this game](https://lichess.org/cnAZnY15#4) between MVL and Wesley So, which I did not expect.  
  > **username_4**: @username_5, I did not expect it to be actually playable. Interesting. Thank You.  
  > **username_0**: Heh, apparently I've played the first 3 half-moves of that 3 times as white, and lost all three. :)  
  
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  ### Answer by username_6 on 2022-03-25. Score: 3
  
  I don't play 1...e5 anymore but when I did I played 2...d5 (Falkbeer) following a Morphy game from back in the day.
  
  Also, Fischer published a [refutation to the entire line](http://brooklyn64.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/a-bust-to-the-kings-gambit.pdf). You might want to look into that.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_7 on 2022-04-26. Score: 1
  
  Not a lot of people play the *Alekhine defense*, especially in bullet. so not a lot of dangerous moves for Black, except **1...d5** but that is ***not*** really *dangerous* provided you do not pre-move **2.f4?!** but even then, there's a chance that your opponent also pre-moves **2...Nf6?!** to which you can respond with **3.e5!.**
  
  Nothing comes without a price. if you want those *extra* milliseconds then you have to ***accept*** the fact that once upon a time you will get in ***trouble*** if someone plays the ***dreaded*** ***1...Nf6*** or ***1...d5***.
  
  Best of luck!
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_8 on 2022-03-24. Score: 1
  
  Playing `e4` followed by `f4` can be dangerous, as black can easily and most likely will play f5 or e5 and capture your pawn, and never premove e4 f4, always proceed captiously in openings. Make sure your opponent does not play Nf6 and pick up your free pawn though!
  
  
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