Answers.Body: <p>Wilhelm Steinitz learned <strong>"how"</strong> to play chess at the age of 12, but it was only after attending the Vienna Polytechnic that he actually began to play serious chess (sometime during his twenties).</p>
  
  <p>Siegbert Tarrasch learned how to play chess when he was 15, but he was 20 when he first tried himself at a "Hauptturneier" (Chess Tournament) in 1882 at Berlin, he was eliminated from the tournament.</p>
  
  <p>There should be more examples, but these two never really took chess serious before reaching their 20's, Siegbert Tarrasch was actually attending University of Halle-Wittenberg and at the beginning of his profession as a medical doctor he actually put chess in second place after his medical practice.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>In pretty much any endeavor that requires one to develop or acquire complex sets of skills, be it chiefly intellectual or chiefly physical, starting young will generally be a huge boon simply because of the fact that younger brains are more plastic than older brains; they can more readily adapt to new sorts of tasks and information. Because of that fact, chess will be no different from sports or math or whatever, and those who rise to the very top will tend to have started quite young, as that makes much easier the ultimate task of acquiring the specialized knowledge and skills that are necessary in order to play chess with the very best. Even so, some remarkably strong players have indeed gotten relatively late starts.</p>
  
  <p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Chigorin">Mikhail Chigorin</a> first learned the rules of chess at the fairly late age of 16, and didn't really throw himself into chess until he was already 23-24. A quote from Wikipedia:</p>
  
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    <p>He became serious about chess uncommonly late in life; his schoolteacher taught him the moves at the age of 16, but he did not take to the game until around 1874, having first finished his studies before commencing a career as a government officer.</p>
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  <p>All in all, I think Chigorin thus reasonably meets your criterion of having started after age 18. Technically, he was not a "grandmaster" in the sense of having that official FIDE title, but of course that's only because it didn't exist in Chigorin's day. He played two matches for Steinitz's world championship, and <a href="http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S022318000000111000000000000010100">chessmetrics</a> places Chigorin in the world's top 4 players throughout the 1890s (peaking at #2 behind Steinitz and Lasker at different times).</p>
  
  <p>In addition, Howard Staunton apparently started playing chess <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Staunton#1836.E2.80.9342.2C_First_steps_in_chess">only at age 26</a>. Like Chigorin, he of course was not technically a GM in the modern sense of the word, but he is generally recognized as having been the strongest player in the world the 1840s, and is sometimes referred to as an "unofficial world champion" the way that Paul Morphy often is.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I am not sure if this gives me hope or not, the question will then be if someone that already spent 10 years and show very little progress can magically become GM? I doubt it, but I really dont care if I never get to be a good player as long as I enjoy playing it
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Answers.Text: Great answer.  Starting at a young age (especially when one can absorb more information) will result in a greater chance of one excelling at whatever they started at a young age, however, there are exceptions to the rule, so there is still hope for us, if we are past 6 :)
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Body: <p>I started looking into the history of a few grandmasters such as Fischer and Carlsen, so I wondered: why does it seem that chess "kings" and queens" start playing the game from a young age? Can anyone show me any grandmasters who started playing chess after becoming 18? Does this situation apply to other things such as physical sports or even more mental-focused skills such as doing math?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: I think chess has less of a tendency to stand out in somebody's mind when you introduce it to them at an older age. I think it's harder to get somebody to make a permanent commitment to playing chess when you get them started at an older age. I actually moved when I was 4 years old. Apparently for me, stuff from my young childhood does not stand out as much as it does for other people. Maybe that's because of my brain's natural tendency to like doing its own thinking independently of the past and want to ignore my past and do what ever I feel like doing now and when my brain is still like a
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Comments.Text: child, it makes me happily and willingly abandon my childhood and form my own interests now independently. I suppose that in actuality, my present self took the good example from my childhood of continuing to be like one and actually do my own thinking. I guess technically according to cause and effect, I'm like that now because I was like that before but I feel like I'm actually thinking and my thinking is coming independently of my past. To copy the good example from my childhood of knowing how to do my own thinking means I actually neglect my childhood now. When I was about 6, I had been
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Comments.Text: watching Thomas & Friends stories I had seen before for quite a while and then one day, I saw one I hadn't seen before with police officers and liked that. Later at the age of 21, I discovered all by myself that the axiom of choice wasn't provable. The axiom of choice states that for any set of nonempty sets, there exists a function that assigns to each of those sets one of its members. I was so fascinated by that and kind of liked the change of breaking my old habits and starting new and different thinking. I feel like in turn, study of the negation of the axiom of choice is a really good way
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Comments.Text: of promting thinking. I'm planning to make a ripoff of the Coraline movie giving an intuition for the negation of the axiom of choice. I'm planning to come up with a long detailed explanation giving intuition for the negation of the axiom of choice for the Coraline ripoff movie. It's kind of nice knowing I will never ever find a proof of the axiom of choice because then I will not lose my train of thought of thinking and and gaining an intuition for why the axiom of choice is not necessarily true.
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Title: How come chess prodigies seem to start at a young age?
ThreadText: # How come chess prodigies seem to start at a young age?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2012-11-25)
  
  I started looking into the history of a few grandmasters such as Fischer and Carlsen, so I wondered: why does it seem that chess "kings" and queens" start playing the game from a young age? Can anyone show me any grandmasters who started playing chess after becoming 18? Does this situation apply to other things such as physical sports or even more mental-focused skills such as doing math?
  
  **Tags:** history, carlsen, fischer, grandmaster, talent
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I think chess has less of a tendency to stand out in somebody's mind when you introduce it to them at an older age. I think it's harder to get somebody to make a permanent commitment to playing chess when you get them started at an older age. I actually moved when I was 4 years old. Apparently for me, stuff from my young childhood does not stand out as much as it does for other people. Maybe that's because of my brain's natural tendency to like doing its own thinking independently of the past and want to ignore my past and do what ever I feel like doing now and when my brain is still like a  
  > **username_1**: child, it makes me happily and willingly abandon my childhood and form my own interests now independently. I suppose that in actuality, my present self took the good example from my childhood of continuing to be like one and actually do my own thinking. I guess technically according to cause and effect, I'm like that now because I was like that before but I feel like I'm actually thinking and my thinking is coming independently of my past. To copy the good example from my childhood of knowing how to do my own thinking means I actually neglect my childhood now. When I was about 6, I had been  
  > **username_1**: watching Thomas & Friends stories I had seen before for quite a while and then one day, I saw one I hadn't seen before with police officers and liked that. Later at the age of 21, I discovered all by myself that the axiom of choice wasn't provable. The axiom of choice states that for any set of nonempty sets, there exists a function that assigns to each of those sets one of its members. I was so fascinated by that and kind of liked the change of breaking my old habits and starting new and different thinking. I feel like in turn, study of the negation of the axiom of choice is a really good way  
  > **username_1**: of promting thinking. I'm planning to make a ripoff of the Coraline movie giving an intuition for the negation of the axiom of choice. I'm planning to come up with a long detailed explanation giving intuition for the negation of the axiom of choice for the Coraline ripoff movie. It's kind of nice knowing I will never ever find a proof of the axiom of choice because then I will not lose my train of thought of thinking and and gaining an intuition for why the axiom of choice is not necessarily true.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2012-11-25. Score: 17 | Accepted answer
  
  In pretty much any endeavor that requires one to develop or acquire complex sets of skills, be it chiefly intellectual or chiefly physical, starting young will generally be a huge boon simply because of the fact that younger brains are more plastic than older brains; they can more readily adapt to new sorts of tasks and information. Because of that fact, chess will be no different from sports or math or whatever, and those who rise to the very top will tend to have started quite young, as that makes much easier the ultimate task of acquiring the specialized knowledge and skills that are necessary in order to play chess with the very best. Even so, some remarkably strong players have indeed gotten relatively late starts.
  
  [Mikhail Chigorin](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Chigorin) first learned the rules of chess at the fairly late age of 16, and didn't really throw himself into chess until he was already 23-24. A quote from Wikipedia:
  
  > He became serious about chess uncommonly late in life; his schoolteacher taught him the moves at the age of 16, but he did not take to the game until around 1874, having first finished his studies before commencing a career as a government officer.
  
  All in all, I think Chigorin thus reasonably meets your criterion of having started after age 18. Technically, he was not a "grandmaster" in the sense of having that official FIDE title, but of course that's only because it didn't exist in Chigorin's day. He played two matches for Steinitz's world championship, and [chessmetrics](http://chessmetrics.com/cm/CM2/PlayerProfile.asp?Params=199510SSSSS3S022318000000111000000000000010100) places Chigorin in the world's top 4 players throughout the 1890s (peaking at #2 behind Steinitz and Lasker at different times).
  
  In addition, Howard Staunton apparently started playing chess [only at age 26](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Staunton#1836.E2.80.9342.2C_First_steps_in_chess). Like Chigorin, he of course was not technically a GM in the modern sense of the word, but he is generally recognized as having been the strongest player in the world the 1840s, and is sometimes referred to as an "unofficial world champion" the way that Paul Morphy often is.
  
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  > **username_4**: I am not sure if this gives me hope or not, the question will then be if someone that already spent 10 years and show very little progress can magically become GM? I doubt it, but I really dont care if I never get to be a good player as long as I enjoy playing it  
  > **username_0**: I would agree that enjoyment is more important than either talent, skill, or reputation.  
  > **username_5**: Great answer.  Starting at a young age (especially when one can absorb more information) will result in a greater chance of one excelling at whatever they started at a young age, however, there are exceptions to the rule, so there is still hope for us, if we are past 6 :)  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2012-11-25. Score: 10
  
  Wilhelm Steinitz learned **"how"** to play chess at the age of 12, but it was only after attending the Vienna Polytechnic that he actually began to play serious chess (sometime during his twenties).
  
  Siegbert Tarrasch learned how to play chess when he was 15, but he was 20 when he first tried himself at a "Hauptturneier" (Chess Tournament) in 1882 at Berlin, he was eliminated from the tournament.
  
  There should be more examples, but these two never really took chess serious before reaching their 20's, Siegbert Tarrasch was actually attending University of Halle-Wittenberg and at the beginning of his profession as a medical doctor he actually put chess in second place after his medical practice.
  
  
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