Body: <p>Not that it is of earth-shattering importance, but how is a Swiss bye entered in the Result header by default? 1-0? +? +-? +--? Is it different from a forfeit? (The latter can be additionally indicated by the &quot;termination&quot; tag, but I never saw it used, probably because the player field implies it...neither did I ever fill out this tag on a time loss as arbiter since nobody seems to care anyway, flag is a &quot;normal&quot; loss...)</p>
  <p>PGN standard didn't answer my question. (And checking a random PGN might lead to a random result, see above.</p>
  
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Comments.Text: This is one of those trick questions, isn't it? Like "A plane flying from country A to country B crashes in country C. Where are the survivors buried?" In this case, if a player gets a bye then there is no opponent, no game and therefore no PGN. There isn't even a first move as there would be when the opponent doesn't turn up.
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Comments.Text: @Brian: Not so! I asked with respect to a practical example, i.e. the games of my town's youth championship. The organisation is...not as perfect as a FIDE title match :-) Some games are incomplete due to gruesome writing. Some are plain amiss due to work overload of the organizers. A PGN entry "Patzer-Bye 1-0" in the PGN is *very* helpful to me, since it tells me Patzer got the bye (in contrast to, say, he won against Fisch but the game wasn't recorded), and even the round when it happened. I.e. it *is* sensible to enter byes as "dummy" PGN heads.
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Comments.Text: Perhaps the tags may have: [White "player_name"] [Black "?"] [Result "1-0"] [Termination "bye"]. In the case for Dubov forfeiting some games due to positive PCR test, it can be: [White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
  [Black "Dubov, Daniil"]
  [Result "1-0"] [Termination "emergency"]
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Comments.Text: I put an issue on the [pgn standard](https://github.com/fsmosca/PGN-Standard/issues/10) that I tried to maintain.
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Comments.Text: @ferdy: For the record, the PGN of the championship I mentioned put a "kampflos" (=bye) into the "Black" header (consistent, you always play White against the bye). Also a possibility. (I doubt they even knew a "termination" tag exists in the standard - I didn't knew either before I checked :-)
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Comments.Text: The disadvantage of using `[Black "bye"]` is that bye is now a player name. With `?` it is `unknown`. The advantage of using `[Black "bye"]` is that we don't even need the termination tag [Termination "bye"] because `bye` as the player playing black is not a real player name. But again the termination tag is created to describe the reason on the conclusion of the game and the `[Black "?"]` is perfectly a valid tag.
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Comments.Text: @ferdy: BTW, FIDE rating list has dozens of (mostly Scandinavian) players named "Bye", the troll potential (and I don't mean the Scandinavian variety :-) being high...
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Comments.Text: @ferdy: Addendum. Today I wrote up the PGN of the match I was arbiter in. A forfeit occured. My standard PGN reader neither accepted +- nor +-- as result.
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Comments.Text: So that reader complies with the result specs to be only `['1-0', '0-1', '1/2-1/2', '*']`.
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Comments.Text: @ferdy: THX, I already suspected * is the correct entry.
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Comments.Text: I have seen games without moves and with a result registered. 
  This is because someone does not present to the game. But a bye is only an artifact for the swiss pairing algorithm, and as such its entry (1 point) is only valid inside the score table.
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Comments.Text: BTW, Viktors Pūpols once saw a guy preparing for the game against BYE. Viktors introduced himself as Billy Bye, shook hands and played a simul between board 1 and like 40. Won both of course. Poor guy handed in the scoresheet, 0-1 Bye. TD had a good laugh...
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Title: Swiss bye in PGN
ThreadText: # Swiss bye in PGN
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2022-05-06)
  
  Not that it is of earth-shattering importance, but how is a Swiss bye entered in the Result header by default? 1-0? +? +-? +--? Is it different from a forfeit? (The latter can be additionally indicated by the "termination" tag, but I never saw it used, probably because the player field implies it...neither did I ever fill out this tag on a time loss as arbiter since nobody seems to care anyway, flag is a "normal" loss...)
  
  PGN standard didn't answer my question. (And checking a random PGN might lead to a random result, see above.
  
  **Tags:** pgn
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: This is one of those trick questions, isn't it? Like "A plane flying from country A to country B crashes in country C. Where are the survivors buried?" In this case, if a player gets a bye then there is no opponent, no game and therefore no PGN. There isn't even a first move as there would be when the opponent doesn't turn up.  
  > **username_0**: @username_1: Not so! I asked with respect to a practical example, i.e. the games of my town's youth championship. The organisation is...not as perfect as a FIDE title match :-) Some games are incomplete due to gruesome writing. Some are plain amiss due to work overload of the organizers. A PGN entry "Patzer-Bye 1-0" in the PGN is *very* helpful to me, since it tells me Patzer got the bye (in contrast to, say, he won against Fisch but the game wasn't recorded), and even the round when it happened. I.e. it *is* sensible to enter byes as "dummy" PGN heads.  
  > **username_2**: Perhaps the tags may have: [White "player_name"] [Black "?"] [Result "1-0"] [Termination "bye"]. In the case for Dubov forfeiting some games due to positive PCR test, it can be: [White "Carlsen, Magnus"] [Black "Dubov, Daniil"] [Result "1-0"] [Termination "emergency"]  
  > **username_2**: I put an issue on the [pgn standard](https://github.com/fsmosca/PGN-Standard/issues/10) that I tried to maintain.  
  > **username_0**: @username_2: For the record, the PGN of the championship I mentioned put a "kampflos" (=bye) into the "Black" header (consistent, you always play White against the bye). Also a possibility. (I doubt they even knew a "termination" tag exists in the standard - I didn't knew either before I checked :-)  
  > **username_2**: The disadvantage of using `[Black "bye"]` is that bye is now a player name. With `?` it is `unknown`. The advantage of using `[Black "bye"]` is that we don't even need the termination tag [Termination "bye"] because `bye` as the player playing black is not a real player name. But again the termination tag is created to describe the reason on the conclusion of the game and the `[Black "?"]` is perfectly a valid tag.  
  > **username_0**: @username_2: BTW, FIDE rating list has dozens of (mostly Scandinavian) players named "Bye", the troll potential (and I don't mean the Scandinavian variety :-) being high...  
  > **username_0**: @username_2: Addendum. Today I wrote up the PGN of the match I was arbiter in. A forfeit occured. My standard PGN reader neither accepted +- nor +-- as result.  
  > **username_2**: So that reader complies with the result specs to be only `['1-0', '0-1', '1/2-1/2', '*']`.  
  > **username_0**: @username_2: THX, I already suspected * is the correct entry.  
  > **username_3**: I have seen games without moves and with a result registered.  This is because someone does not present to the game. But a bye is only an artifact for the swiss pairing algorithm, and as such its entry (1 point) is only valid inside the score table.  
  > **username_4**: BTW, Viktors Pūpols once saw a guy preparing for the game against BYE. Viktors introduced himself as Billy Bye, shook hands and played a simul between board 1 and like 40. Won both of course. Poor guy handed in the scoresheet, 0-1 Bye. TD had a good laugh...  
  
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