Answers.Body: <p>According to the <a href="https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/C0402" rel="nofollow noreferrer">FIDE handbook</a> C.04.2 General handling rules for Swiss Tournaments:</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p>1 The pairing system used for a FIDE rated Swiss tournament should be one of the published FIDE Swiss Systems.
  Accelerated methods are acceptable if they were announced in advance by the organizer and are published in section C.04.5.</p>
  </blockquote>
  <blockquote>
  <p>2 In derogation of the previous rule, unpublished pairing systems or accelerated methods may be permitted, provided that a detailed written description of their rules:<br />
  be submitted in advance to the Qualification Commission (QC) and temporarily authorized by them; and<br />
  be explicitly presented to the participants before the start of the tournament.</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>So, it appears that in FIDE you need prior approval to use a non-standard system.</p>
  <p>In the USCF, <a href="https://new.uschess.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/us-chess-rule-book-online-only-edition-chapters-1-2-9-10-11-8-23-21.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">rule</a> 26B states:</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p>A variation sufficiently major that it might reasonably be expected to deter some players from entering should be mentioned in any Chess Life announcement and all other detailed pre-tournament publicity and posted and/or announced at the tournament.</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>So you don't need prior approval, but you do need to let the players know in advance.</p>
  
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  <p>We started to use the Monrad system:</p>
  <p><a href="https://rankedin.ladesk.com/043159-2152--Monrad" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://rankedin.ladesk.com/043159-2152--Monrad</a></p>
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  <p>We are organizing a monthly tournament valid for ELO rating of the United States Chess Federation (USCF). The rating of our players is in the range 2000-400. We play a maximum of 3 rounds. Usually, we have between 8 and 16 players. This is an amateur tournament, in other words, no cash prizes. Players who achieve 3 points get a gold medal, 2 points a silver medal, and 1 point a bronze medal. We found that the classic Swiss system produces that a big percentage of the lower players retired from chess.</p>
  <p>In my experience, in a game with a rating difference of 400 points, the lower rating player has a minimum of 90% chance to lose. In general, that will occur.</p>
  <p><em><strong>For that reason, we started to use the Monrad system.</strong></em></p>
  <p>If the highest rating is number 1, and the lowest rating is number 16. Without considering colors, the Swiss system produces 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8. But the Monrad system 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8.</p>
  <p>The Monrad system is great because our main goal is to have a pairing with the smallest ELO rating difference possible. However, is it legal to use it for an USCF open tournament? It will be announced in advance. So, the players will know about it before to register. Our tournaments do not offer cash prices.</p>
  <p>My main interest is in USCF. However, I would also like to know if it is legal for the International Chess Federation (FIDE).</p>
  <p>As far as I know, the tournament organizer can use any system, if it is announced in advance and if it is NOT a national or international championship with established rules that the tournament organizer needs to follow.</p>
  <p>Thank you for everything!</p>
  
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Comments.Text: "We found that the classic Swiss system produces that a big percentage of the lower players retired from chess." That's a bold claim to make! Couldn't it just be that lower rated players tend to be less interested in the game than higher rating ones?
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Comments.Text: @David Thank you for your opinion! The classical swiss system produces a pairing that the lower rating players have at least 90% chance to lose (maybe 95%). If you lose all your games is difficult to keep the motivation. With the Monrad system, the tournament starts with a pairing that match players of similar rating. You have a real chance to win your first and even second game. In the USCF usually players are divided using their ELO, but if the number of players is small, and you want to have at most 3 games it is a difficult and sometimes impossible task. Monrad addresses that challenge
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Comments.Text: @David I will cite as anecdotal evidence that I have played chess for 50 years, and I do not remember that I have defeated once a chess player that had 400 rating points more than I.
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Comments.Text: @David  Most likely people who defeat opponents that have 400 rating points more is because they are cheating. However, there are some exceptions. Like Kasparov in his debut in FIDE tournaments in 1979.
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Comments.Text: You're making again a bold statement, tthis time accusing thousands of players who are working on their chess of something they didn't do. Can you back up any of your claims with evidence?
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Comments.Text: @David Chess.com and Lichess have caught a great number of players cheating. That is evidence, in my perspective. Anyway, congratulations for your enthusiasm!
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Comments.Text: @David Also, the entire goal of the ELO rating system is to have a measure of the strength of the chess players. It is well known that a 2300 player has no chance with a 2700 player. The ELO rating system is a statistical system.
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Comments.Text: @David Even, many of those players have confessed cheating. A confession is the best evidence.
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Comments.Text: Rather then having a different tournament each month, why not have the tournament last a few months with unlimited byes allowed?
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Comments.Text: @IanRingrose The problem would be that chess players are unpredictable. Besides that, your idea is fantastic.
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Title: USCF and FIDE: Is it legal to organize a tournament with the Monrad System? Monrad: rank 1 versus 2, in the first round. Swiss: 1 versus 5
ThreadText: # USCF and FIDE: Is it legal to organize a tournament with the Monrad System? Monrad: rank 1 versus 2, in the first round. Swiss: 1 versus 5
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2023-01-10)
  
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  We started to use the Monrad system:
  
  <https://rankedin.ladesk.com/043159-2152--Monrad>
  
  <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss-system_tournament>
  
  We are organizing a monthly tournament valid for ELO rating of the United States Chess Federation (USCF). The rating of our players is in the range 2000-400. We play a maximum of 3 rounds. Usually, we have between 8 and 16 players. This is an amateur tournament, in other words, no cash prizes. Players who achieve 3 points get a gold medal, 2 points a silver medal, and 1 point a bronze medal. We found that the classic Swiss system produces that a big percentage of the lower players retired from chess.
  
  In my experience, in a game with a rating difference of 400 points, the lower rating player has a minimum of 90% chance to lose. In general, that will occur.
  
  ***For that reason, we started to use the Monrad system.***
  
  If the highest rating is number 1, and the lowest rating is number 16. Without considering colors, the Swiss system produces 1-5, 2-6, 3-7, 4-8. But the Monrad system 1-2, 3-4, 5-6, 7-8.
  
  The Monrad system is great because our main goal is to have a pairing with the smallest ELO rating difference possible. However, is it legal to use it for an USCF open tournament? It will be announced in advance. So, the players will know about it before to register. Our tournaments do not offer cash prices.
  
  My main interest is in USCF. However, I would also like to know if it is legal for the International Chess Federation (FIDE).
  
  As far as I know, the tournament organizer can use any system, if it is announced in advance and if it is NOT a national or international championship with established rules that the tournament organizer needs to follow.
  
  Thank you for everything!
  
  **Tags:** rules, fide, uscf, swiss-pairing
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: "We found that the classic Swiss system produces that a big percentage of the lower players retired from chess." That's a bold claim to make! Couldn't it just be that lower rated players tend to be less interested in the game than higher rating ones?  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 Thank you for your opinion! The classical swiss system produces a pairing that the lower rating players have at least 90% chance to lose (maybe 95%). If you lose all your games is difficult to keep the motivation. With the Monrad system, the tournament starts with a pairing that match players of similar rating. You have a real chance to win your first and even second game. In the USCF usually players are divided using their ELO, but if the number of players is small, and you want to have at most 3 games it is a difficult and sometimes impossible task. Monrad addresses that challenge  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 I will cite as anecdotal evidence that I have played chess for 50 years, and I do not remember that I have defeated once a chess player that had 400 rating points more than I.  
  > **username_0**: @username_1  Most likely people who defeat opponents that have 400 rating points more is because they are cheating. However, there are some exceptions. Like Kasparov in his debut in FIDE tournaments in 1979.  
  > **username_1**: You're making again a bold statement, tthis time accusing thousands of players who are working on their chess of something they didn't do. Can you back up any of your claims with evidence?  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 Chess.com and Lichess have caught a great number of players cheating. That is evidence, in my perspective. Anyway, congratulations for your enthusiasm!  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 Also, the entire goal of the ELO rating system is to have a measure of the strength of the chess players. It is well known that a 2300 player has no chance with a 2700 player. The ELO rating system is a statistical system.  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 Even, many of those players have confessed cheating. A confession is the best evidence.  
  > **username_2**: Rather then having a different tournament each month, why not have the tournament last a few months with unlimited byes allowed?  
  > **username_0**: @username_2 The problem would be that chess players are unpredictable. Besides that, your idea is fantastic.  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_3 on 2023-01-14. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  According to the [FIDE handbook](https://handbook.fide.com/chapter/C0402) C.04.2 General handling rules for Swiss Tournaments:
  
  > 1 The pairing system used for a FIDE rated Swiss tournament should be one of the published FIDE Swiss Systems.
  > Accelerated methods are acceptable if they were announced in advance by the organizer and are published in section C.04.5.
  
  > 2 In derogation of the previous rule, unpublished pairing systems or accelerated methods may be permitted, provided that a detailed written description of their rules:  
  > be submitted in advance to the Qualification Commission (QC) and temporarily authorized by them; and  
  > be explicitly presented to the participants before the start of the tournament.
  
  So, it appears that in FIDE you need prior approval to use a non-standard system.
  
  In the USCF, [rule](https://new.uschess.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/us-chess-rule-book-online-only-edition-chapters-1-2-9-10-11-8-23-21.pdf) 26B states:
  
  > A variation sufficiently major that it might reasonably be expected to deter some players from entering should be mentioned in any Chess Life announcement and all other detailed pre-tournament publicity and posted and/or announced at the tournament.
  
  So you don't need prior approval, but you do need to let the players know in advance.
  
  
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