Answers.Body: <p><em>Edit</em>: Saving two pawns for an optimal solution</p>
  <p>Black queens first but cannot win, no white pawn higher than the 4th rank, 1+1 pawns :</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;8/8/8/6k1/8/7K/6pP/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  <p>1...g1Q is stalemate and any other move draws as well</p>
  <p>Funnily it is also possible with 0+2 pawns:</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;8/8/8/6k1/8/6pK/6p1/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  <p>1...g1Q/R stalemate</p>
  <p>1...g1N/B 2.Kxg3=</p>
  <p>1...Kf4 2.Kxg2=</p>
  <hr />
  <p><em>Previous answer</em></p>
  <p>An attempt with 2 pawns each:</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;k7/8/8/7p/7P/7K/6pP/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  <p>1...g1Q is an immediate stalemate. Other Black moves wouldn't win either:</p>
  <p>1...Kb7 2.Kxg2=</p>
  <p>1...g1R stalemate</p>
  <p>1...g1B 2.Kg3 and the Ph5 will be captured</p>
  <p>1...g1N 2.Kg2 Ne2 3.Kf3 Nd4 4.Kf4 and White is better !</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Ah, yes. David was right. Now that you posted it, I remember it as a well know study motif...and how to shave off another pawn :-) Feel free to find it yourself and edit the answer (which incidentally saves me from posting the other 4 similar draw questions, THX!)
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Body: <p>Base: <a href="https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/40655/queen-first-lose-or-draw-later">Queen first, lose (or draw) later</a></p>
  <ol start="3">
  <li>What is the most economical pawn endgame position where Black queens first but White draws, White pawns no higher than 4th rank on time of Black queening?</li>
  </ol>
  
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Comments.Text: I doubt there's a position like that without involving some stalemate tactic
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Title: Queen first, lose (or draw) later 3
ThreadText: # Queen first, lose (or draw) later 3
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2022-09-22)
  
  Base: [Queen first, lose (or draw) later](https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/40655/queen-first-lose-or-draw-later)
  
  3. What is the most economical pawn endgame position where Black queens first but White draws, White pawns no higher than 4th rank on time of Black queening?
  
  **Tags:** pawn-endgame
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I doubt there's a position like that without involving some stalemate tactic  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_2 on 2022-09-23. Score: 1
  
  *Edit*: Saving two pawns for an optimal solution
  
  Black queens first but cannot win, no white pawn higher than the 4th rank, 1+1 pawns :
  
  ```
  [FEN "8/8/8/6k1/8/7K/6pP/8 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  1...g1Q is stalemate and any other move draws as well
  
  Funnily it is also possible with 0+2 pawns:
  
  ```
  [FEN "8/8/8/6k1/8/6pK/6p1/8 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  1...g1Q/R stalemate
  
  1...g1N/B 2.Kxg3=
  
  1...Kf4 2.Kxg2=
  
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  *Previous answer*
  
  An attempt with 2 pawns each:
  
  ```
  [FEN "k7/8/8/7p/7P/7K/6pP/8 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  1...g1Q is an immediate stalemate. Other Black moves wouldn't win either:
  
  1...Kb7 2.Kxg2=
  
  1...g1R stalemate
  
  1...g1B 2.Kg3 and the Ph5 will be captured
  
  1...g1N 2.Kg2 Ne2 3.Kf3 Nd4 4.Kf4 and White is better !
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Ah, yes. username_1 was right. Now that you posted it, I remember it as a well know study motif...and how to shave off another pawn :-) Feel free to find it yourself and edit the answer (which incidentally saves me from posting the other 4 similar draw questions, THX!)  
  
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