Answers.Body: <p>This is identical to the position that occurs after the move order <code>1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 d5</code>. The central push <code>d5</code> is common in many openings, for instance the Grunfeld, but here the timing is bad. The position after</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "7"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>is one I often get with white when I play online, and it usually ends up very well for white. White will follow up with <code>e4</code> and get an advantage in the center with tempo.</p>
  
  <p>The main difference with the Grunfeld is that there is no white knight on <code>c3</code> that black can exchange the knight on <code>d5</code> with, and the knight (and black's whole position) will end up slightly passive.</p>
  
  <p>Sample line:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "13"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 g6 5. e4 Nb6 6. h3 Bg7 7.Nc3
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>with a slight white advantage.</p>
  
  <p>Black can also try <code>4... Bf5</code> to stop <code>e4</code> temporarily, but then they have to be really careful. For instance</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "15"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 Bf5 5. Qb3 e6 6. Nc3 Nc6 7.e4 Nxc3 8. exf5!
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>is very good for white.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I have already accepted this answer but upon reflection I find that it still needs to be shown that White has an evident advantage after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 3.cxd5 Nxd5 4.d4 c5, which hopes for a Gruenfeld or Alekhine like position.
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Answers.Text: After `4... c5`, `5. Nc3` transposes to a line from the Symmetrical English, but I believe `5. e4` is even stronger.
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Answers.Body: <p>White gets a strong center after chasing the Knight.</p>
  
  <pre><code>
  
  [fen ""]
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 e6 5. e4
  
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>This is a simplistic answer, there is more theory about the placement of pieces which is why 4. ... Bf5 is considered a bad move.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>The position after <code>1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cd5 Nxd5 4. Nc3</code> is column 62 of MCO-15 in the English Opening. I would look under the English for more on this line.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: This is true, but `4. d4` is a bigger problem for black.
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Body: <p>The reply 2...Nf6 to the Reti opening 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 is not even mentioned in my three Reti opening books. What is wrong with that? There must be a well-known answer that is simply part of the professional player's erudition because otherwise this move would get attention from the authors.</p>
  
  <p><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Zbv0c.png" alt="rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/5n2/3p4/2P5/5N2/PP1PPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 1 3]"></p>
  
Tags: <opening>
Title: Why not 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 against the Reti opening?
ThreadText: # Why not 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 against the Reti opening?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2016-05-04)
  
  The reply 2...Nf6 to the Reti opening 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 is not even mentioned in my three Reti opening books. What is wrong with that? There must be a well-known answer that is simply part of the professional player's erudition because otherwise this move would get attention from the authors.
  
  ![rnbqkb1r/ppp1pppp/5n2/3p4/2P5/5N2/PP1PPPPP/RNBQKB1R w KQkq - 1 3]](https://i.sstatic.net/Zbv0c.png)
  
  **Tags:** opening
  
  
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  ## 3 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2016-05-04. Score: 4 | Accepted answer
  
  This is identical to the position that occurs after the move order `1. Nf3 Nf6 2. c4 d5`. The central push `d5` is common in many openings, for instance the Grunfeld, but here the timing is bad. The position after
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "7"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4
  
  ```
  
  is one I often get with white when I play online, and it usually ends up very well for white. White will follow up with `e4` and get an advantage in the center with tempo.
  
  The main difference with the Grunfeld is that there is no white knight on `c3` that black can exchange the knight on `d5` with, and the knight (and black's whole position) will end up slightly passive.
  
  Sample line:
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "13"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 g6 5. e4 Nb6 6. h3 Bg7 7.Nc3
  
  ```
  
  with a slight white advantage.
  
  Black can also try `4... Bf5` to stop `e4` temporarily, but then they have to be really careful. For instance
  
  ```
  [FEN ""]
  [Title "Reti 2... Nf6"]
  [Startply "15"]
  
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 Bf5 5. Qb3 e6 6. Nc3 Nc6 7.e4 Nxc3 8. exf5!
  
  ```
  
  is very good for white.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I have already accepted this answer but upon reflection I find that it still needs to be shown that White has an evident advantage after 1.Nf3 d5 2.c4 Nf6 3.cxd5 Nxd5 4.d4 c5, which hopes for a Gruenfeld or Alekhine like position.  
  > **username_1**: After `4... c5`, `5. Nc3` transposes to a line from the Symmetrical English, but I believe `5. e4` is even stronger.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2016-05-04. Score: 0
  
  White gets a strong center after chasing the Knight.
  
  ```
  
  [fen ""]
  1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cxd5 Nxd5 4. d4 e6 5. e4
  
  ```
  
  This is a simplistic answer, there is more theory about the placement of pieces which is why 4. ... Bf5 is considered a bad move.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2016-05-04. Score: 0
  
  The position after `1. Nf3 d5 2. c4 Nf6 3. cd5 Nxd5 4. Nc3` is column 62 of MCO-15 in the English Opening. I would look under the English for more on this line.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: This is true, but `4. d4` is a bigger problem for black.  
  
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