Body: <p>I played this game against Stockfish level 4. I am not a good player. I reached a complex midgame and blundered with 34. Qf3, swiftly losing thereafter.</p>
  <p>Depicted below is the position just prior to the blunder, which Stockfish rates as exactly even. However, every line I try from here, including Stockfish's suggestions, inevitably leads to a black win. Can white survive from this position and if so, how?</p>
  <pre><code>[fen &quot;&quot;]
  [StartPly &quot;66&quot;]
  
  1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. c3 c5 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Qa4 Qc8 8. b3 h5 9. Bf4 h4 10. h3 Ne7 11. g4 Bg6 12. Bg5 Ng8 13. Nxh4 Bh7 14. Nd2 f6 15. Bf4 g5 16. Bxg5 fxg5 17. Nhf3 Be7 18. c4 Kf8 19. cxd5 exd5 20. Rc1 Kg7 21. dxc5 a5 22. h4 Nf6 23. hxg5 Nxg4 24. Rh4 Ncxe5 25. Nxe5 Nxe5 26. Qd4 Qe6 27. Be2 Bxg5 28. Rh5 Qf6 29. Qxd5 Rad8 30. Qxb7+ Rd7 31. Qg2 Nd3+ 32. Bxd3 Bxd3 33. Rxg5+ Kf7 34. Qf3??? Re7+ 35. Kd1 Be2+ 36. Qxe2 Rh1+ 37. Kc2 Rxc1+ 38. Kxc1 Qa1+ 39. Nb1 Rxe2 40. c6 Qb2+ 41. Kd1 Qc2#
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Comments.Text: FEN: 7r/3r1k2/5q2/p1P3R1/8/1P1b4/P2N1PQ1/2R1K3 w - - 0 1
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Comments.Text: How did you reach this conclusion? *every line I try from here, including Stockfish's suggestions, inevitably leads to a black win* It'd be unusual for Stockfish to win against itself from this position, given the 0.0 eval (with two drawing lines too).
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Comments.Text: 0.0 can mean a) a perpetual b) the win is even behind the horizon of Stockfish. But the 1.Rg3 line is a forcing one, White gives back material to save the king's butt, ending in an endgame RNPP/RRP that seems holdable (0.0). Note black king's butt is on fire too, bK->a7 goes straight to hell for White.
Comments.UserDisplayName: Hauke Reddmann
Tags: <analysis>
Title: Can white survive from this position that Stockfish rates even but where every line seems to lose?
ThreadText: # Can white survive from this position that Stockfish rates even but where every line seems to lose?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2022-07-21)
  
  I played this game against Stockfish level 4. I am not a good player. I reached a complex midgame and blundered with 34. Qf3, swiftly losing thereafter.
  
  Depicted below is the position just prior to the blunder, which Stockfish rates as exactly even. However, every line I try from here, including Stockfish's suggestions, inevitably leads to a black win. Can white survive from this position and if so, how?
  
  ```
  [fen ""]
  [StartPly "66"]
  
  1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 Bf5 4. Nf3 e6 5. c3 c5 6. Bb5+ Nc6 7. Qa4 Qc8 8. b3 h5 9. Bf4 h4 10. h3 Ne7 11. g4 Bg6 12. Bg5 Ng8 13. Nxh4 Bh7 14. Nd2 f6 15. Bf4 g5 16. Bxg5 fxg5 17. Nhf3 Be7 18. c4 Kf8 19. cxd5 exd5 20. Rc1 Kg7 21. dxc5 a5 22. h4 Nf6 23. hxg5 Nxg4 24. Rh4 Ncxe5 25. Nxe5 Nxe5 26. Qd4 Qe6 27. Be2 Bxg5 28. Rh5 Qf6 29. Qxd5 Rad8 30. Qxb7+ Rd7 31. Qg2 Nd3+ 32. Bxd3 Bxd3 33. Rxg5+ Kf7 34. Qf3??? Re7+ 35. Kd1 Be2+ 36. Qxe2 Rh1+ 37. Kc2 Rxc1+ 38. Kxc1 Qa1+ 39. Nb1 Rxe2 40. c6 Qb2+ 41. Kd1 Qc2#
  
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  **Tags:** analysis
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: FEN: 7r/3r1k2/5q2/p1P3R1/8/1P1b4/P2N1PQ1/2R1K3 w - - 0 1  
  > **username_1**: How did you reach this conclusion? *every line I try from here, including Stockfish's suggestions, inevitably leads to a black win* It'd be unusual for Stockfish to win against itself from this position, given the 0.0 eval (with two drawing lines too).  
  > **username_2**: 0.0 can mean a) a perpetual b) the win is even behind the horizon of Stockfish. But the 1.Rg3 line is a forcing one, White gives back material to save the king's butt, ending in an endgame RNPP/RRP that seems holdable (0.0). Note black king's butt is on fire too, bK->a7 goes straight to hell for White.  
  
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