Answers.Body: <p>It really depends on whether people can accurately approximate their own strength when making an account. I don't have any information on whether people can do so or not.</p>
  <p>But keep in mind that RD makes this not matter as much as you'd think.</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p>in particular if these 10,000 actually make up majority of the entire chess.com pool</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>If you have 10,000 new players who are all the same strength and make up the majority of the pool I think you can expect weird things to happen to your existing players no matter what you do. It's not a reasonable assumption.</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p>And then there's possibly no correction for it because these 1000-rated players never really play against these 800-rated players because they always pick (-25,25) opponents.</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>But you're not staying at your selected rating unless you somehow get all draws. If you select an initial 800 rating and you win your first game against someone rated 800 whose RD is 76, your new rating will be 975 and you'll be playing against those 1000 players in your next game anyway. Conversely, someone who selected a 1000 rating who loses their first game against an established 1000-rated player will drop to 825 and be playing the 800 players.</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p>If I were such a 1000 and were to play against such an 800 rated player say in a private challenge then they are underrated and there is a huge asymmetry. Even if this is fixed in the long run, this is a huge hit for me in the short run.</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>If you have a rating of 1000 and an RD of 76, you'd lose about 11 points for losing to a brand new player with a rating of 1000. Losing to a brand new player with a rating of 800, you'd lose 15 points instead. The hit in the short run wouldn't be that huge.</p>
  
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Body: <p>For simplicity, let's focus on just 1 time control.</p>
  <p>In chess.com: I've previously reached a peak rating of 1360 under a starting rating of 1200. Then I stopped playing chess on chess.com for awhile (e.g., I went to lichess or chesscube or chess24 only). During this time, <a href="https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/8925/starting-elo-rating-at-chess-com">chess.com changed their rating policy to allow people to choose their starting rating between I think</a> 400, 800, 1000, 1200, and 1500.</p>
  <p><strong>Question: Despite the <a href="https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/41446/chesscoms-new-policy-allows-users-to-choose-starting-rating">supposed benefits</a>, is it actually overall harmful to the rating system or confusing for players who started in the old policy?</strong></p>
  <hr />
  <p>Here's why I think this is harmful to the rating system:</p>
  <h2>For players who started in the old policy:</h2>
  <p>If most people choose, say, 1000, then...</p>
  <p>Let's say I was around 1240-1290. Then when I get back, I would've been, under the old policy, 1370 - 1420 and so I would've gotten a peak rating of maybe 1490.</p>
  <ol>
  <li><p>But now if everyone is choosing 1000, then it seems my rating is going to be like 1170 - 1220 with a peak of 1290.</p>
  </li>
  <li><p>This 1290 is not going to be in my statistics. It will still say my peak is 1360. Now, 1360 is a lot higher than the 1360 before. 1360 now is like 1560 before.</p>
  </li>
  <li><p>This 1360 gives people, including myself, the wrong impression, but this can be avoided if I just make a new account under the new starting rating policy.</p>
  </li>
  </ol>
  <h2>For all players:</h2>
  <ol start="4">
  <li>If an overwhelming majority of people choose 1000, then it's the same thing as changing the starting rating to 1000.</li>
  </ol>
  <h2>Actually even for players who start in the new policy:</h2>
  <ol start="5">
  <li>If 2 people are about the same strength but then select different starting ratings... like let's say 10,000 players about 1300 on lichess join chess.com. But 5,000 pick 800 and another 5,000 pick 1000. If they play against people only of their own chess.com strength say (-25,25), in particular if these 10,000 actually make up majority of the entire chess.com pool (or you can imagine maybe there's a new chess website and then 10,000 lichess players join) then it seems we may have situations where there are people of ratings 200 points apart like 800 and 1000 but their actual strength is the same.</li>
  </ol>
  <ul>
  <li><p>5.1. And then there's possibly no correction for it because these 1000-rated players never really play against these 800-rated players because they always pick (-25,25) opponents.</p>
  </li>
  <li><p>5.2. If I were such a 1000 and were to play against such an 800 rated player say in a private challenge then they are underrated and there is a huge asymmetry. Even if this is fixed in the long run, this is a huge hit for me in the short run.</p>
  </li>
  </ul>
  <ol start="6">
  <li><p>I think it's <a href="https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">harder to convert chesscom to lichess ratings</a> now this way. Ignoring the glicko 1 vs glicko 2 thing, just pretend it's the same pool and it's 1200 vs 1500. Then I think it's simply a matter of doing +/- 300.</p>
  </li>
  <li><p>I think guess the rating eg <a href="http://eloguessr.com/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">eloguessr</a> or <a href="https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBRObSmbZluRiGDWMKtOTJiLy3q0zIfd7" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Levy's guess the elo</a> series will be much more difficult esp if players don't have a variety of opponents.</p>
  </li>
  </ol>
  <ul>
  <li>7.1. If they had played under the old policy then their peak rating might be nonsensical.</li>
  </ul>
  
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Title: Chesscom's new policy allows users to choose starting rating - Is this actually harmful to the rating system?
ThreadText: # Chesscom's new policy allows users to choose starting rating - Is this actually harmful to the rating system?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2023-01-27)
  
  For simplicity, let's focus on just 1 time control.
  
  In chess.com: I've previously reached a peak rating of 1360 under a starting rating of 1200. Then I stopped playing chess on chess.com for awhile (e.g., I went to lichess or chesscube or chess24 only). During this time, [chess.com changed their rating policy to allow people to choose their starting rating between I think](https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/8925/starting-elo-rating-at-chess-com) 400, 800, 1000, 1200, and 1500.
  
  **Question: Despite the [supposed benefits](https://chess.stackexchange.com/questions/41446/chesscoms-new-policy-allows-users-to-choose-starting-rating), is it actually overall harmful to the rating system or confusing for players who started in the old policy?**
  
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  Here's why I think this is harmful to the rating system:
  
  ## For players who started in the old policy:
  
  If most people choose, say, 1000, then...
  
  Let's say I was around 1240-1290. Then when I get back, I would've been, under the old policy, 1370 - 1420 and so I would've gotten a peak rating of maybe 1490.
  
  1. But now if everyone is choosing 1000, then it seems my rating is going to be like 1170 - 1220 with a peak of 1290.
  2. This 1290 is not going to be in my statistics. It will still say my peak is 1360. Now, 1360 is a lot higher than the 1360 before. 1360 now is like 1560 before.
  3. This 1360 gives people, including myself, the wrong impression, but this can be avoided if I just make a new account under the new starting rating policy.
  
  ## For all players:
  
  4. If an overwhelming majority of people choose 1000, then it's the same thing as changing the starting rating to 1000.
  
  ## Actually even for players who start in the new policy:
  
  5. If 2 people are about the same strength but then select different starting ratings... like let's say 10,000 players about 1300 on lichess join chess.com. But 5,000 pick 800 and another 5,000 pick 1000. If they play against people only of their own chess.com strength say (-25,25), in particular if these 10,000 actually make up majority of the entire chess.com pool (or you can imagine maybe there's a new chess website and then 10,000 lichess players join) then it seems we may have situations where there are people of ratings 200 points apart like 800 and 1000 but their actual strength is the same.
  
  * 5.1. And then there's possibly no correction for it because these 1000-rated players never really play against these 800-rated players because they always pick (-25,25) opponents.
  * 5.2. If I were such a 1000 and were to play against such an 800 rated player say in a private challenge then they are underrated and there is a huge asymmetry. Even if this is fixed in the long run, this is a huge hit for me in the short run.
  
  6. I think it's [harder to convert chesscom to lichess ratings](https://www.chessratingcomparison.com/) now this way. Ignoring the glicko 1 vs glicko 2 thing, just pretend it's the same pool and it's 1200 vs 1500. Then I think it's simply a matter of doing +/- 300.
  7. I think guess the rating eg [eloguessr](http://eloguessr.com/) or [Levy's guess the elo](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBRObSmbZluRiGDWMKtOTJiLy3q0zIfd7) series will be much more difficult esp if players don't have a variety of opponents.
  
  * 7.1. If they had played under the old policy then their peak rating might be nonsensical.
  
  **Tags:** rating, chess.com
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: The bolded question could use less words and be simply stated better.  
  > **username_0**: @username_1 specific suggestion please?  
  > **username_1**: I'm not going to be a free editor.  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_2 on 2023-01-30. Score: 3
  
  It really depends on whether people can accurately approximate their own strength when making an account. I don't have any information on whether people can do so or not.
  
  But keep in mind that RD makes this not matter as much as you'd think.
  
  > in particular if these 10,000 actually make up majority of the entire chess.com pool
  
  If you have 10,000 new players who are all the same strength and make up the majority of the pool I think you can expect weird things to happen to your existing players no matter what you do. It's not a reasonable assumption.
  
  > And then there's possibly no correction for it because these 1000-rated players never really play against these 800-rated players because they always pick (-25,25) opponents.
  
  But you're not staying at your selected rating unless you somehow get all draws. If you select an initial 800 rating and you win your first game against someone rated 800 whose RD is 76, your new rating will be 975 and you'll be playing against those 1000 players in your next game anyway. Conversely, someone who selected a 1000 rating who loses their first game against an established 1000-rated player will drop to 825 and be playing the 800 players.
  
  > If I were such a 1000 and were to play against such an 800 rated player say in a private challenge then they are underrated and there is a huge asymmetry. Even if this is fixed in the long run, this is a huge hit for me in the short run.
  
  If you have a rating of 1000 and an RD of 76, you'd lose about 11 points for losing to a brand new player with a rating of 1000. Losing to a brand new player with a rating of 800, you'd lose 15 points instead. The hit in the short run wouldn't be that huge.
  
  
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