Answers.Body: <p>Well it all &quot;depends&quot; on the position, but in the given example,   Nc6 is a better option as it has a possible outpost on d4 or b4 and with the rook on c8 it will also be doubly defended. It can even be re-routed to f6  if required which would be almost impossible from d7. Nbd7 does block the defense of the d6 pawn. BTW , I  saw a study somewhere that countering the najdorf the d6 pawn is to be targeted therefore it is suggested not to make it a liability in the first place ( of course this might be valid in high level games only). Here is a <a href="https://lichess.org/study/A1odpWyJ" rel="nofollow noreferrer">study</a> where majority games I saw played Nbd7 but I am not a GM and can't quite follow the reasoning. If your opponent castles long then definitely put the knight on d7.</p>
  
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  <p>As I noted the first time both lines are inferior.</p>
  <p>h5 would be better.</p>
  <p>And to @Scounged  -  the games were played by 2200++ rated players
  and there were many more games than you say.</p>
  <p>The results based on data based on GM play speaks for itself.</p>
  <p>The real question is why play that line at all when 2Nc3 avoids it.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>A better answer might be neither.</p>
  <p>Chess Tempo says nbd7 loses 100% for black
  nc6 will win you about 1/3 of the points available considering ties
  h5 comes out even in the end
  and b6 nets half but with more chances  not to lose but less to win</p>
  
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Answers.Text: You might want to work on the formulation of this answer. As it stands it is not very clear at all what you're trying to convey. Moreover, with a line as obscure as this one it is not at all sure that a move that has been tried maybe once or twice is any good: for instance ...h5 is the given position is just an outright bad move, whatever the outcome of one or two low-level games might suggest.
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Answers.Body: <p>It all  depends.  There is no rule.
  What is your preferred strategic plan?
  Which move supports that best?</p>
  <p>What is the opponent doing?
  Which move would best counter what they are doing?</p>
  <p>If your intuition says one thing then do that until you see why it was not as good as an alternative.</p>
  <p>If you are not at least IM if not GM level it really wont make any difference to the outcome of your games.</p>
  <p>How often does this happen?<br />
  How many people let you play the najdorf at all?</p>
  <p>In the grand scheme of things how often does this come up in your games and is that enough to obsess about such a minor choice?</p>
  
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Answers.Text: I’d say I encounter the Najdorf in at least 1/3 of games I face as black featuring 1. e4. I’m so concerned about it because I typically center my strategy around playing on the open c file, but I’ve run into issues at times where Nbd7 ends up forcing the king knight to an awkward square because he doesn’t have d7 to retreat to.
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Body: <p>I've been studying the Najdorf Sicilian for some time, and I generally have a good idea of where to develop my pieces to. My light and dark square bishops typically end up on e6 and e7, respectively. I'll castle short and my rook will ultimately end up on c8. One thing I struggle with, however, is deciding whether to play Nc6 or Nbd7, and what elements make one choice more attractive than the other.</p>
  <p>I understand that each move has its own strengths and weaknesses. Nc6 gives the king knight the ability to retreat to d7 at some point with prospects of pushing the f-pawn. It however blocks off the semi-open c file that is typically pointing at the white king. Nbd7 supports the knight on f6, but also takes away its ability to retreat to d7. Another benefit is that it keeps the c file clear for black's rook. Nbd7 also blocks the queen's defense of the d pawn.</p>
  <p>Consider the following position I faced against the obscure Adams attack variation:
  <code>rn1qkb1r/1p3pp1/p2pbn1p/4p3/4P1P1/2N4P/PPP1NPB1/R1BQK2R b KQkq - 1 9</code></p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/qepPk.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/qepPk.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
  <p>Engines slightly prefer Nbd7 in this position to Nc6, though my intuition would tell me to play Nc6 before considering Nbd7. How would you go about deciding whether to play Nc6 or Nbd7 in this situation? Also, are there any good games that are instructive on this subject?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: There is no rule, otherwise it would be too easy. You must understand the reasoning behind each move on each position. Don't trust engines on opening choices, though!
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Comments.Text: Where does the engine want to put the d7 knight in the end? From d7 it can get to c5 or b6, and if you're unsure of what the engine is aiming for it's generally a good idea to look at where the engine wants to place that knight further along the given top line.
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Comments.Text: d7 is the most flexible square for the knight in the FEN.  Black doesn't know whether it should put the knight on c5 or c4 (via b6) until white shows its hand.  Black does know that d4 or b4 are probably not the best squares for the knight in the FEN.
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Title: Knowing when to play Nc6 vs Nbd7 in the Najdorf Sicilian as black?
ThreadText: # Knowing when to play Nc6 vs Nbd7 in the Najdorf Sicilian as black?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-07-03)
  
  I've been studying the Najdorf Sicilian for some time, and I generally have a good idea of where to develop my pieces to. My light and dark square bishops typically end up on e6 and e7, respectively. I'll castle short and my rook will ultimately end up on c8. One thing I struggle with, however, is deciding whether to play Nc6 or Nbd7, and what elements make one choice more attractive than the other.
  
  I understand that each move has its own strengths and weaknesses. Nc6 gives the king knight the ability to retreat to d7 at some point with prospects of pushing the f-pawn. It however blocks off the semi-open c file that is typically pointing at the white king. Nbd7 supports the knight on f6, but also takes away its ability to retreat to d7. Another benefit is that it keeps the c file clear for black's rook. Nbd7 also blocks the queen's defense of the d pawn.
  
  Consider the following position I faced against the obscure Adams attack variation:
  `rn1qkb1r/1p3pp1/p2pbn1p/4p3/4P1P1/2N4P/PPP1NPB1/R1BQK2R b KQkq - 1 9`
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/qepPk.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/qepPk.png)
  
  Engines slightly prefer Nbd7 in this position to Nc6, though my intuition would tell me to play Nc6 before considering Nbd7. How would you go about deciding whether to play Nc6 or Nbd7 in this situation? Also, are there any good games that are instructive on this subject?
  
  **Tags:** opening, sicilian-defense, najdorf
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: There is no rule, otherwise it would be too easy. You must understand the reasoning behind each move on each position. Don't trust engines on opening choices, though!  
  > **username_2**: Where does the engine want to put the d7 knight in the end? From d7 it can get to c5 or b6, and if you're unsure of what the engine is aiming for it's generally a good idea to look at where the engine wants to place that knight further along the given top line.  
  > **username_3**: d7 is the most flexible square for the knight in the FEN.  Black doesn't know whether it should put the knight on c5 or c4 (via b6) until white shows its hand.  Black does know that d4 or b4 are probably not the best squares for the knight in the FEN.  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2020-07-16. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  Well it all "depends" on the position, but in the given example, Nc6 is a better option as it has a possible outpost on d4 or b4 and with the rook on c8 it will also be doubly defended. It can even be re-routed to f6 if required which would be almost impossible from d7. Nbd7 does block the defense of the d6 pawn. BTW , I saw a study somewhere that countering the najdorf the d6 pawn is to be targeted therefore it is suggested not to make it a liability in the first place ( of course this might be valid in high level games only). Here is a [study](https://lichess.org/study/A1odpWyJ) where majority games I saw played Nbd7 but I am not a GM and can't quite follow the reasoning. If your opponent castles long then definitely put the knight on d7.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2020-07-18. Score: 0
  
  @username_0
  
  As I noted the first time both lines are inferior.
  
  h5 would be better.
  
  And to @username_2 - the games were played by 2200++ rated players
  and there were many more games than you say.
  
  The results based on data based on GM play speaks for itself.
  
  The real question is why play that line at all when 2Nc3 avoids it.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2020-07-14. Score: 0
  
  A better answer might be neither.
  
  Chess Tempo says nbd7 loses 100% for black
  nc6 will win you about 1/3 of the points available considering ties
  h5 comes out even in the end
  and b6 nets half but with more chances not to lose but less to win
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: You might want to work on the formulation of this answer. As it stands it is not very clear at all what you're trying to convey. Moreover, with a line as obscure as this one it is not at all sure that a move that has been tried maybe once or twice is any good: for instance ...h5 is the given position is just an outright bad move, whatever the outcome of one or two low-level games might suggest.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2020-07-14. Score: -1
  
  It all depends. There is no rule.
  What is your preferred strategic plan?
  Which move supports that best?
  
  What is the opponent doing?
  Which move would best counter what they are doing?
  
  If your intuition says one thing then do that until you see why it was not as good as an alternative.
  
  If you are not at least IM if not GM level it really wont make any difference to the outcome of your games.
  
  How often does this happen?  
  How many people let you play the najdorf at all?
  
  In the grand scheme of things how often does this come up in your games and is that enough to obsess about such a minor choice?
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I’d say I encounter the Najdorf in at least 1/3 of games I face as black featuring 1. e4. I’m so concerned about it because I typically center my strategy around playing on the open c file, but I’ve run into issues at times where Nbd7 ends up forcing the king knight to an awkward square because he doesn’t have d7 to retreat to.  
  
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