Answers.Body: <p>3...Ne4 is kind of pointless. The idea is to play Nd6 controlling e4 and attacking the c4 pawn. The only other options are Nf6 losing a tempo or f5 in a weird Dutch-like position. White is maintaining an advantage after 3...Nd6 4.e4 though. </p>
  
  <p>It avoids theory I guess. </p>
  
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Answers.Text: I guess that is the ONLY reason...tries to avoid theory. I still cannot see any pure chess reason to play it.
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Body: <p>"The Vulture" is an off-beat line of the Benoni, and while I have seen many off-beat lines over the years, I cannot see any redeeming qualities in this opening if white plays the natural 4.Qc2.</p>
  
  <p>Stefan Bucker wrote a book on it <a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1852232935" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a>.</p>
  
  <p>Does anyone see ANYTHING hopeful here for black?</p>
  
  <pre><code> [FEN ""]
  
   1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 Ne4 4. Qc2 Qa5+ 5. Nd2 Nd6 6. e4 g6 7. b4 $1 Qxb4 (7... cxb4 8. Nb3 Qc7 9. Bb2 Rg8 10. Nf3 (10. Bd3 {Or this attempt to keep the N from f5.} b5 11. c5 Nc4 12. Bxc4 bxc4 13. Qxc4 $16) 10... f6 (10... Bg7 11. Bxg7 Rxg7 12. c5 Kf8 13. Rc1 Ne8 14. Bb5 $18) 11. e5 fxe5 12. Bxe5 Bg7 13. Bxg7 Rxg7 14. c5 Nf5 15. Rc1 $18) 8. Rb1 Qa5 9. Bb2 Rg8 10. Bc3 Qc7 11. Bd3 f6 12. e5 fxe5 13. Ngf3 Bg7 14. Ng5 $18 e4 15. Bxe4 $1 $18
  </code></pre>
  
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Comments.Text: I don't.  I believe Black's best play is to transpose to a Czech Benoni structure with 5. ..Nf6!? and ..d6 ..e5
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Title: Can anyone find any redeeming qualities in "The Vulture"?
ThreadText: # Can anyone find any redeeming qualities in "The Vulture"?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-03-08)
  
  "The Vulture" is an off-beat line of the Benoni, and while I have seen many off-beat lines over the years, I cannot see any redeeming qualities in this opening if white plays the natural 4.Qc2.
  
  Stefan Bucker wrote a book on it [here](https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/1852232935).
  
  Does anyone see ANYTHING hopeful here for black?
  
  ```
   [FEN ""]
  
   1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 c5 3. d5 Ne4 4. Qc2 Qa5+ 5. Nd2 Nd6 6. e4 g6 7. b4 $1 Qxb4 (7... cxb4 8. Nb3 Qc7 9. Bb2 Rg8 10. Nf3 (10. Bd3 {Or this attempt to keep the N from f5.} b5 11. c5 Nc4 12. Bxc4 bxc4 13. Qxc4 $16) 10... f6 (10... Bg7 11. Bxg7 Rxg7 12. c5 Kf8 13. Rc1 Ne8 14. Bb5 $18) 11. e5 fxe5 12. Bxe5 Bg7 13. Bxg7 Rxg7 14. c5 Nf5 15. Rc1 $18) 8. Rb1 Qa5 9. Bb2 Rg8 10. Bc3 Qc7 11. Bd3 f6 12. e5 fxe5 13. Ngf3 Bg7 14. Ng5 $18 e4 15. Bxe4 $1 $18
  
  ```
  
  **Tags:** opening, modern-benoni
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I don't.  I believe Black's best play is to transpose to a Czech Benoni structure with 5. ..Nf6!? and ..d6 ..e5  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2020-03-15. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  3...Ne4 is kind of pointless. The idea is to play Nd6 controlling e4 and attacking the c4 pawn. The only other options are Nf6 losing a tempo or f5 in a weird Dutch-like position. White is maintaining an advantage after 3...Nd6 4.e4 though.
  
  It avoids theory I guess.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I guess that is the ONLY reason...tries to avoid theory. I still cannot see any pure chess reason to play it.  
  
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