Answers.Body: <p>White can do nothing right now, because he made the last move (Ne1). Black can simply sacrifice the exchange on f3, keeping the pin intact, and aim the other rook at f3. Then, White's position will collapse entirely.</p>
  
  <p>There's no way White can escape the pin, e.g. after h4, Black can just ignore the attacked bishop:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "1r4k1/2p2pp1/5r1p/p1p1p1bq/P1PpP1b1/1P1P1NP1/4QPKP/1R1RN3 b - - 0 1"]
  
  1... Rxf3 2. Nxf3 Rb6 3. h4 Rf6 4. hxg5 Bxf3+
  </code></pre>
  
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Answers.Text: Could add that h4 attempting to win the bishop will also lose because after Bxh4 gxh4 white willl get problems on the open g-file.
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Answers.Body: <p>White is in a precarious position holding onto the pin and has no counter play . As a Prisoner sometimes waits for his punishment and he knows no escape here White has got its centre &amp; Queen side even blocked to generate NIL counter play . Looking at the board without any calculation also an amateur can determine that white would be very soon in Zugzwang resulting in huge material  loss.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: White will never be in Zugzwang here. For instance he could just shuffle his rook around Rd2, Rdd1, Rd2, Rdd1...  I think you need to check what Zugzwang is.
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Answers.Text: Hello @user1583209 , Kindly let me know what the meaning of Zugzwang is from your point of view . Does Rook shuffling will allow White to escape his fate of loosing ? As for your FYI Zugzwang arises for any side in a Position where any move of White/Black looses . Here White is already on loosing side . True technically he has moves left in board but Centre/Q-side are all blocked and no counter play for White. As you said that White will never be in Zugzwang here implies the Player has to play until checkmate .
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Answers.Text: Zugzwang is a situation where a player gets into a worse position *because he has to make a move*. It is a position where the player would rather pass than make a move. What you have here is just a lost position. It does not matter at all whether white makes a move or not. According to your definition any lost position would be a zugzwang position which is certainly not the case.
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Body: <p>Is it possible for white to turn the tables and win this game or is it "almost" over?</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "1r4k1/2p2pp1/5r1p/p1p1p1bq/P1PpP1b1/1P1P1NP1/2N1QPKP/1R1R4 w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
  1. Nce1
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>What would you do if you were white?</p>
  
Tags: <strategy>
Title: Can white still win this?
ThreadText: # Can white still win this?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2017-03-12)
  
  Is it possible for white to turn the tables and win this game or is it "almost" over?
  
  ```
  [FEN "1r4k1/2p2pp1/5r1p/p1p1p1bq/P1PpP1b1/1P1P1NP1/2N1QPKP/1R1R4 w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
  1. Nce1
  
  ```
  
  What would you do if you were white?
  
  **Tags:** strategy
  
  
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  ## 2 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2017-03-12. Score: 6
  
  White can do nothing right now, because he made the last move (Ne1). Black can simply sacrifice the exchange on f3, keeping the pin intact, and aim the other rook at f3. Then, White's position will collapse entirely.
  
  There's no way White can escape the pin, e.g. after h4, Black can just ignore the attacked bishop:
  
  ```
  [FEN "1r4k1/2p2pp1/5r1p/p1p1p1bq/P1PpP1b1/1P1P1NP1/4QPKP/1R1RN3 b - - 0 1"]
  
  1... Rxf3 2. Nxf3 Rb6 3. h4 Rf6 4. hxg5 Bxf3+
  
  ```
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: Could add that h4 attempting to win the bishop will also lose because after Bxh4 gxh4 white willl get problems on the open g-file.  
  > **username_3**: This is instructive.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2017-03-20. Score: -1
  
  White is in a precarious position holding onto the pin and has no counter play . As a Prisoner sometimes waits for his punishment and he knows no escape here White has got its centre & Queen side even blocked to generate NIL counter play . Looking at the board without any calculation also an amateur can determine that white would be very soon in Zugzwang resulting in huge material loss.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: White will never be in Zugzwang here. For instance he could just shuffle his rook around Rd2, Rdd1, Rd2, Rdd1...  I think you need to check what Zugzwang is.  
  > **username_4**: Hello @username_2 , Kindly let me know what the meaning of Zugzwang is from your point of view . Does Rook shuffling will allow White to escape his fate of loosing ? As for your FYI Zugzwang arises for any side in a Position where any move of White/Black looses . Here White is already on loosing side . True technically he has moves left in board but Centre/Q-side are all blocked and no counter play for White. As you said that White will never be in Zugzwang here implies the Player has to play until checkmate .  
  > **username_2**: Zugzwang is a situation where a player gets into a worse position *because he has to make a move*. It is a position where the player would rather pass than make a move. What you have here is just a lost position. It does not matter at all whether white makes a move or not. According to your definition any lost position would be a zugzwang position which is certainly not the case.  
  > **username_4**: Yes I think you are correct . This position does not call for a Zugzwang because White is already lost here .  
  
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