Answers.Body: <p>Sure, here are <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_and_knight_checkmate#Grandmasters_failing_to_mate" rel="nofollow noreferrer">some examples</a> where the game ends drawn with the engine evaluation at MX (i.e., mate in X moves). As given by Wiki, Robert Kempinski (2498) – Vladimir Epishin (2567) [E60] Bundesliga 0001 Germany (5.3), 07.01.2001</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;8/8/8/8/4K3/2kn4/5b2/8 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  
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Body: <p>This question triggered by a position reached today round 9 in WCC 2023. According to <a href="https://lichess.org/analysis/rnb2rk1/1pp1qppp/5n2/pBb1p3/P3P3/2P2N2/1PQN1PPP/R1B2RK1_w_-_-_3_11?color=white" rel="nofollow noreferrer">lichess Masters DB</a> that position was reached 17 times in which black won 3 times and the rest are drawn which is interesting since this position is +0.3 according to the Engine. Understabley this is too small a sample of 17 games of which many draws; But I have to wonder, are there position that were reached 20+ time or so and DB results contradict the engine evaluation?</p>
  <pre><code>rnb2rk1/1pp1qppp/5n2/pBb1p3/P3P3/2P2N2/1PQN1PPP/R1B2RK1 w - - 3 11 
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Comments.Text: Pretty much everything in the King's Indian
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Comments.Text: Engine at which depth? Small depths get overruled by humans all the time. But like @David said KID is the most topical example - correspondence play practice shows it's as sound as Nimzo, just engines consider it around +1 even at great depths. Most often engines overrate for white positions with space advantage - so further examples are also Benoni and French, even if both are more dubious.
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Comments.Text: The starting position? 
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Tags: <database>
Title: What positions are there where the final actual outcome in real games contradict engine evalulation?
ThreadText: # What positions are there where the final actual outcome in real games contradict engine evalulation?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2023-04-21)
  
  This question triggered by a position reached today round 9 in WCC 2023. According to [lichess Masters DB](https://lichess.org/analysis/rnb2rk1/1pp1qppp/5n2/pBb1p3/P3P3/2P2N2/1PQN1PPP/R1B2RK1_w_-_-_3_11?color=white) that position was reached 17 times in which black won 3 times and the rest are drawn which is interesting since this position is +0.3 according to the Engine. Understabley this is too small a sample of 17 games of which many draws; But I have to wonder, are there position that were reached 20+ time or so and DB results contradict the engine evaluation?
  
  ```
  rnb2rk1/1pp1qppp/5n2/pBb1p3/P3P3/2P2N2/1PQN1PPP/R1B2RK1 w - - 3 11 
  
  ```
  
  **Tags:** database
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: Pretty much everything in the King's Indian  
  > **username_2**: Engine at which depth? Small depths get overruled by humans all the time. But like @username_1 said KID is the most topical example - correspondence play practice shows it's as sound as Nimzo, just engines consider it around +1 even at great depths. Most often engines overrate for white positions with space advantage - so further examples are also Benoni and French, even if both are more dubious.  
  > **username_3**: The starting position?   
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_4 on 2023-04-22. Score: -2
  
  Sure, here are [some examples](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bishop_and_knight_checkmate#Grandmasters_failing_to_mate) where the game ends drawn with the engine evaluation at MX (i.e., mate in X moves). As given by Wiki, Robert Kempinski (2498) – Vladimir Epishin (2567) [E60] Bundesliga 0001 Germany (5.3), 07.01.2001
  
  ```
  [FEN "8/8/8/8/4K3/2kn4/5b2/8 w - - 0 1"]
  
  ```
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: This is how I imagine an AI would answer the question  
  > **username_5**: I got this answer parashprased more or less when entering this into GPT 3.5  
  
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