<p>Black's pincer is too close to White's stone (it should be at least one space lower). (This variation is not in the joseki books because it is not joseki.) That means that White can "lean on it while indirectly attacking Black's corner stone.</p>

<p>White should play Q15,Black plays p15, White cuts with P14, threatening to make a ladder to capture stone 3, Black extends from this stone, White ataris with P16, and quashes the corner stone with P17.</p>

<pre><code>$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..............1...|
$$ |.............8....|
$$ |.............542..|
$$ |.............637..|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
</code></pre>

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2015-07-30T02:43:02.700Z
2015-08-01T22:06:00.487Z
2015-08-01T22:06:00.487Z
Tom Au
<p>Take a look at <a href="http://senseis.xmp.net/?KogosJosekiDictionary" rel="nofollow" title="Kogo&#39;s Joseki Dictionary">Kogo's Joseki Dictionary</a>. It has several variations for this move - too many to show them here.</p>

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2015-07-29T21:07:16.730Z
Links to two or three of the common variations would be much more useful than a link to the KJD main page.
Forget I was ever here
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2015-12-09T17:37:22.387Z
@PieterGeerkens There are two main variations. You can take a look online at http://eidogo.com/ if you don't want to download full dictionary in sgf format.
Astronavigator
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2015-07-29T19:26:48.983Z
TimK
<p>In a game I played, the following "Joseki" occurred:</p>

<p>I played the low keima against the 3-4-point, and Black responded with a shoulder hit. This move is not in the book by Takao Shinji.</p>

<p>In the game I attached under the 3-4 stone and created a living corner group, but Black's influence was tremendous. What should White do in this situation:</p>

<pre><code>$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..............1...|
$$ |..................|
$$ |...............2..|
$$ |..............3...|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
</code></pre>

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Trick Joseki? Shoulder hit after keima to 3-4-stone
Sir Cornflakes
# Trick Joseki? Shoulder hit after keima to 3-4-stone

(Asked by: username_0 on 2015-07-29)

In a game I played, the following "Joseki" occurred:

I played the low keima against the 3-4-point, and Black responded with a shoulder hit. This move is not in the book by Takao Shinji.

In the game I attached under the 3-4 stone and created a living corner group, but Black's influence was tremendous. What should White do in this situation:

```
$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..............1...|
$$ |..................|
$$ |...............2..|
$$ |..............3...|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|

```

**Tags:** go, joseki, joseki-deviation


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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2015-07-30. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

Black's pincer is too close to White's stone (it should be at least one space lower). (This variation is not in the joseki books because it is not joseki.) That means that White can "lean on it while indirectly attacking Black's corner stone.

White should play Q15,Black plays p15, White cuts with P14, threatening to make a ladder to capture stone 3, Black extends from this stone, White ataris with P16, and quashes the corner stone with P17.

```
$$B
$$ ---------------------
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..............1...|
$$ |.............8....|
$$ |.............542..|
$$ |.............637..|
$$ |..................|
$$ |..................|

```


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### Answer by username_2 on 2015-07-29. Score: 2

Take a look at [Kogo's Joseki Dictionary](http://senseis.xmp.net/?KogosJosekiDictionary "Kogo's Joseki Dictionary"). It has several variations for this move - too many to show them username_3.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Links to two or three of the common variations would be much more useful than a link to the KJD main page.  
> **username_4**: @PieterGeerkens There are two main variations. You can take a look online at http://eidogo.com/ if you don't want to download full dictionary in sgf format.  

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