<p>When you have two simultaneous effects that need an order to resolve, the active player gets to decide the order.  So the player whose turn it was would probably choose themselves to receive the point for <strong>First Blood</strong> (though they could choose which either player to get it). </p>

<p>Alternatively if it's a friendly game you and your opponent might agree that both players score <strong>First Blood</strong>, or that neither player got it. Or even that it hasn't been scored yet.</p>

<p>That said there are several variants of <strong>First Blood</strong> out there since it almost always goes to the first player. <strong>Last Blood</strong> is fairly popular, where to score it you have to kill a unit and then not lose a unit on the opponent's turn. </p>

<p>This question has given an alternative idea which I plan on implementing when I can get my opponent's permission. I'm going to make a "<strong>Blood Trophy</strong>" and the first unit to kill another earns the Trophy. However if a unit kills the unit that controls the trophy, they gain the trophy. Whichever army controls the trophy at the end of the gain gets a victory point.</p>

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Thanks aslum. This has also given some ideas of how to make our game meets more interesting.
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As an aside we've played with "**Blood Trophy**" for a bit now at my FLGS and everyone seems to like it.. It is close to becoming a "house rule" at the store.
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<p>If two opposing forces completely destroy each other at the same initiative step in combat, who is regarded as the first casualty for the purposes of things like first blood?</p>

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First blood on the same initiative step
Universalerror
# First blood on the same initiative step

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-03-05)

If two opposing forces completely destroy each other at the same initiative step in combat, who is regarded as the first casualty for the purposes of things like first blood?

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### Answer by username_1 on 2016-03-07. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

When you have two simultaneous effects that need an order to resolve, the active player gets to decide the order. So the player whose turn it was would probably choose themselves to receive the point for **First Blood** (though they could choose which either player to get it).

Alternatively if it's a friendly game you and your opponent might agree that both players score **First Blood**, or that neither player got it. Or even that it hasn't been scored yet.

That said there are several variants of **First Blood** out there since it almost always goes to the first player. **Last Blood** is fairly popular, where to score it you have to kill a unit and then not lose a unit on the opponent's turn.

This question has given an alternative idea which I plan on implementing when I can get my opponent's permission. I'm going to make a "**Blood Trophy**" and the first unit to kill another earns the Trophy. However if a unit kills the unit that controls the trophy, they gain the trophy. Whichever army controls the trophy at the end of the gain gets a victory point.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks username_1. This has also given some ideas of how to make our game meets more interesting.  
> **username_1**: As an aside we've played with "**Blood Trophy**" for a bit now at my FLGS and everyone seems to like it.. It is close to becoming a "house rule" at the store.  

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