<p>Your friend is not correct. As you identify, <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bDoubling%20Season%5d">Doubling Season</a>'s second ability only cares about counters being placed on permanents you control.</p>

<p>If your opponent put a -1/-1 counter on a permanent you control, Doubling Season applies and two -1/-1 counters are placed instead.</p>

<p><a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bQuillspike%5d">Quillspike</a>'s ability cost doesn't place counters on permanents. It removes them. Quillspike's ability doesn't place counters, it just gets +3/+3 until end of turn. Neither part of this ability interacts directly with Doubling Season.</p>

<p>However, because Quillspike is "fuelled" by -1/-1 counters, Doubling Season does ensure that you get double the fuel (as long as the creature receiving the counters isn't reduced to 0 toughness). You still have to pay the mana costs to activate Quillspike's ability more than once.</p>

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2016-10-11T08:14:46.150Z
That's what I thought but he was very adamant that with doubling season quillspike would get a total +12/12 from the two -1/1 counters. Thank you for your answer! Just needed clarification.
Cam N
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2016-10-11T08:18:01.423Z
Yeah, there's an important distinction between counters (which tend to last) and temporary (such as end of turn) or static (being constantly boosted) boosts to power and toughness.
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2016-10-11T08:06:35.783Z
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<p>Alright so I'm pretty sure doubling season and like cards don't affect actions related to +X/X until end of turn or -x/X until end of turn because it doesn't physically say counters. My friend on the other thinks the opposite. For instance I have doubling season up, opponent gives me a -1/1 counter it would give my creature -2/2 due to doubling seasons wording, I give the negative counters to Quillspike to get +3/3. Here's where the difference comes in. He believes that for each negative counter given to Quillspike, Quillspike would receive +6/6 until end of turn even though they aren't worded as counters. Is this correct?</p>

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Until end of turn effects and Doubling Season
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# Until end of turn effects and Doubling Season

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-10-11)

Alright so I'm pretty sure doubling season and like cards don't affect actions related to +X/X until end of turn or -x/X until end of turn because it doesn't physically say counters. My friend on the other thinks the opposite. For instance I have doubling season up, opponent gives me a -1/1 counter it would give my creature -2/2 due to doubling seasons wording, I give the negative counters to Quillspike to get +3/3. Here's where the difference comes in. He believes that for each negative counter given to Quillspike, Quillspike would receive +6/6 until end of turn even though they aren't worded as counters. Is this correct?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2016-10-11. Score: 2

Your friend is not correct. As you identify, [Doubling Season](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bDoubling%20Season%5d)'s second ability only cares about counters being placed on permanents you control.

If your opponent put a -1/-1 counter on a permanent you control, Doubling Season applies and two -1/-1 counters are placed instead.

[Quillspike](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bQuillspike%5d)'s ability cost doesn't place counters on permanents. It removes them. Quillspike's ability doesn't place counters, it just gets +3/+3 until end of turn. Neither part of this ability interacts directly with Doubling Season.

However, because Quillspike is "fuelled" by -1/-1 counters, Doubling Season does ensure that you get double the fuel (as long as the creature receiving the counters isn't reduced to 0 toughness). You still have to pay the mana costs to activate Quillspike's ability more than once.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: That's what I thought but he was very adamant that with doubling season quillspike would get a total +12/12 from the two -1/1 counters. Thank you for your answer! Just needed clarification.  
> **username_1**: Yeah, there's an important distinction between counters (which tend to last) and temporary (such as end of turn) or static (being constantly boosted) boosts to power and toughness.  

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