<p>Yes, that still counts as discarding a card. The Madness ability is defined in <a href="https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Madness" rel="noreferrer">702.34a</a>:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Madness is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with madness is in a player’s hand. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the first ability is applied. “Madness [cost]” means “<strong>If a player would discard this card, that player discards it, but exiles it instead of putting it into their graveyard</strong>” and “When this card is exiled this way, its owner may cast it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, they put this card into their graveyard.”</p>
</blockquote>

<p>The card is still discarded, and the Madness ability changes where it goes.</p>

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murgatroid99
<p>Play goes like this:</p>

<p>I have <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d">Faith of the Devoted</a> and <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%20Falkenrath%5d">Anje Falkenrath</a> on the field.</p>

<ul>
<li><p>I discard an <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%27s%5d%2b%5bRavager%5d">Anje&#39;s Ravager</a> via <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%20Falkenrath%5d">Anje Falkenrath</a>'s tap ability.</p></li>
<li><p>For this creature I pay its madness cost and place it on the field.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>Does <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d">Faith of the Devoted</a>'s ability trigger?</p>

<p>What confuses me is what <a href="https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Discard" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this page on the Discard keyword</a> says:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Discard is an evergreen keyword action which takes cards from a player's hand and puts them in their graveyard.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>But the fact is that a creature with madness never hits the graveyard! Instead, it goes to exile, then to the battlefield.</p>

<p>So I'm not completely sure whether the discard ability on <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d">Faith of the Devoted</a> should trigger on that.</p>

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Does a discarded then cast card with madness count as discarded?
Yauheni Prakopchyk
# Does a discarded then cast card with madness count as discarded?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-08-22)

Play goes like this:

I have [Faith of the Devoted](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d) and [Anje Falkenrath](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%20Falkenrath%5d) on the field.

* I discard an [Anje's Ravager](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%27s%5d%2b%5bRavager%5d) via [Anje Falkenrath](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAnje%20Falkenrath%5d)'s tap ability.
* For this creature I pay its madness cost and place it on the field.

Does [Faith of the Devoted](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d)'s ability trigger?

What confuses me is what [this page on the Discard keyword](https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Discard) says:

> Discard is an evergreen keyword action which takes cards from a player's hand and puts them in their graveyard.

But the fact is that a creature with madness never hits the graveyard! Instead, it goes to exile, then to the battlefield.

So I'm not completely sure whether the discard ability on [Faith of the Devoted](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bFaith%20of%20the%20Devoted%5d) should trigger on that.

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-08-22. Score: 8 | Accepted answer

Yes, that still counts as discarding a card. The Madness ability is defined in [702.34a](https://mtg.gamepedia.com/Madness):

> Madness is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with madness is in a player’s hand. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the first ability is applied. “Madness [cost]” means “**If a player would discard this card, that player discards it, but exiles it instead of putting it into their graveyard**” and “When this card is exiled this way, its owner may cast it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, they put this card into their graveyard.”

The card is still discarded, and the Madness ability changes where it goes.


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