<p>Yes, you can.</p>
<p>There is nothing about being part of the supply that affects trashing; they are still &quot;cards&quot; and thus are affected by things that talk about cards.</p>
<p>The rules for trashing from the <a href="https://www.riograndegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Dominion-2nd-Edition-Rules.pdf" rel="noreferrer">base game rulebook</a> don't say anything that would restrict it to supply cards:</p>
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<p>&quot;Trash a card&quot; - Put a card into the Trash pile.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>This is a way of getting rid of a card; a trashed card is no longer one of your cards.</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>&quot;Gaining&quot; is different because of the rules for gaining itself; the rules for &quot;gain a card&quot; include that the card must be from the supply unless specifically said otherwise.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>&quot;Gain a card&quot; - Take a card from the Supply and put it into your discard pile.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Sometimes a card will let you gain a card from a place other than the Supply, but by default
gained cards come from the Supply.</p>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<p>Now, your specific example of Improve and Horses is tricky because normally you wouldn't have a Horse in play at the start of cleanup; since it returns itself to its pile when you play it. But with things like Ways from Menagerie, there are ways to do it.</p>

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2021-02-09T04:56:52.460Z
If you simply didn't play the horse wouldn't it just stay in your hand to be disgarded at the end of the turn?
silent-tiger
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@silent-tiger That is covered in your link.  there is a note from the designer stating "you don't have to play it; you can Remodel it".  So if you don't have to play it then it would be discarded from your hand during clean up
StartPlayer
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2021-02-09T14:54:38.003Z
@silent-tiger You could keep a Horse in your hand and then discard it like normal at the end of the turn, but Improve only trashes cards from play; it can't be used to trash cards from your hand.
GendoIkari
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2021-02-09T23:41:26.337Z
Oh good point, I get it. I also get the ways comment now.
silent-tiger
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GendoIkari
<p>In the game <a href="https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36218/dominion" rel="nofollow noreferrer">dominion</a> are you allowed to trash <a href="http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Horse" rel="nofollow noreferrer">horses</a> with say a card like <a href="http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Improve" rel="nofollow noreferrer">improve</a>?</p>
<p>On the card it states it is not part of the supply.</p>
<p>Is there any place in the rules that states that you can or can not?</p>

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Dominion - Can you trash horses?
silent-tiger
# Dominion - Can you trash horses?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-02-09)

In the game [dominion](https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/36218/dominion) are you allowed to trash [horses](http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Horse) with say a card like [improve](http://wiki.dominionstrategy.com/index.php/Improve)?

On the card it states it is not part of the supply.

Is there any place in the rules that states that you can or can not?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2021-02-09. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

Yes, you can.

There is nothing about being part of the supply that affects trashing; they are still "cards" and thus are affected by things that talk about cards.

The rules for trashing from the [base game rulebook](https://www.riograndegames.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/09/Dominion-2nd-Edition-Rules.pdf) don't say anything that would restrict it to supply cards:

> "Trash a card" - Put a card into the Trash pile.
>
> > This is a way of getting rid of a card; a trashed card is no longer one of your cards.

"Gaining" is different because of the rules for gaining itself; the rules for "gain a card" include that the card must be from the supply unless specifically said otherwise.

> "Gain a card" - Take a card from the Supply and put it into your discard pile.
>
> > Sometimes a card will let you gain a card from a place other than the Supply, but by default
> > gained cards come from the Supply.

Now, your specific example of Improve and Horses is tricky because normally you wouldn't have a Horse in play at the start of cleanup; since it returns itself to its pile when you play it. But with things like Ways from Menagerie, there are ways to do it.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: If you simply didn't play the horse wouldn't it just stay in your hand to be disgarded at the end of the turn?  
> **username_2**: @username_0 That is covered in your link.  there is a note from the designer stating "you don't have to play it; you can Remodel it".  So if you don't have to play it then it would be discarded from your hand during clean up  
> **username_1**: @username_0 You could keep a Horse in your hand and then discard it like normal at the end of the turn, but Improve only trashes cards from play; it can't be used to trash cards from your hand.  
> **username_0**: Oh good point, I get it. I also get the ways comment now.  

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