<p>you use <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maze%20of%20ith">maze of ith</a> to untap him.</p>
<p>then you use <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=argothian%20elder">argothian elder</a> to untap <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maze%20of%20ith">maze of ith</a>, and one extra land.</p>
<p>then you float a mana with that extra land, and repeat the process.  the result is 1 extra mana for free.</p>
<p>you can do this as much as you want.</p>

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2014-01-10T16:10:57.557Z
2014-01-10T16:10:57.557Z
Sam I am says Reinstate Monica
<p>You don't need to tap them simultaneously for this to work. Once you have declared <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder">Argothian Elder</a> as an attacker, you can do the following:</p>
<p>1: Tap <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maze%20of%20Ith">Maze of Ith</a> to untap <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder">Argothian Elder</a></p>
<p>2: Tap <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder">Argothian Elder</a> to untap Maze of Ith and another land.</p>
<p>3: Tap that other land for mana.</p>
<p>4: Repeat as much as you want.</p>

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2014-01-10T16:12:03.797Z
2014-01-10T16:12:03.797Z
GendoIkari
<p>According to a comment in the <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=21182" rel="nofollow noreferrer">discussion of Argothian Elder</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder">Argothian Elder</a> plus <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maze%20of%20Ith">Maze of Ith</a> provides infinite mana during your attack phase.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>How is that? In order for Argothian Elder to attack it has to tap, per rule 508.1f, and if Argothian Elder is tapped it can't be tapped again to activate the ability.</p>
<p>If you could attack and tap to active abilities simultaneously, it'd work, but I don't think you can.</p>
<p>So is the comment wrong or am I wrong?</p>

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2014-01-10T17:13:17.590Z
The key thing here is that untapping the attacking elder does not make him stop attacking. Thus he can be targted by the maze multiple times during your attack phase.
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Does Argothian Elder and Maze of Ith really produce infinite mana during the attack phase?
neubert
# Does Argothian Elder and Maze of Ith really produce infinite mana during the attack phase?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-01-10)

According to a comment in the [discussion of Argothian Elder](http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Discussion.aspx?multiverseid=21182):

> [Argothian Elder](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder) plus [Maze of Ith](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maze%20of%20Ith) provides infinite mana during your attack phase.

How is that? In order for Argothian Elder to attack it has to tap, per rule 508.1f, and if Argothian Elder is tapped it can't be tapped again to activate the ability.

If you could attack and tap to active abilities simultaneously, it'd work, but I don't think you can.

So is the comment wrong or am I wrong?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The key thing here is that untapping the attacking elder does not make him stop attacking. Thus he can be targted by the maze multiple times during your attack phase.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2014-01-10. Score: 10 | Accepted answer

You don't need to tap them simultaneously for this to work. Once you have declared [Argothian Elder](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder) as an attacker, you can do the following:

1: Tap [Maze of Ith](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Maze%20of%20Ith) to untap [Argothian Elder](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder)

2: Tap [Argothian Elder](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Argothian%20Elder) to untap Maze of Ith and another land.

3: Tap that other land for mana.

4: Repeat as much as you want.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2014-01-10. Score: 4

you use [maze of ith](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maze%20of%20ith) to untap him.

then you use [argothian elder](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=argothian%20elder) to untap [maze of ith](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=maze%20of%20ith), and one extra land.

then you float a mana with that extra land, and repeat the process. the result is 1 extra mana for free.

you can do this as much as you want.


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