<p>The buff goes away as soon as Legion Lieutenant dies because the buff comes form an ability on Legion Lieutenant.  Since Legion Lieutenant dies during the first strike combat damage step, its buff will not be applied during the regular combat step.</p>
<p>The relevant rules are the following:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>611.3. A continuous effect may be generated by the static ability of an object.</p>
<p>611.3b The effect applies at all times that the permanent generating it is on the battlefield or the object generating it is in the appropriate zone.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Creatures can generate effects that will continue to apply if the creature dies, but to do so, the creature must have an activated or triggered ability that generates the effect (as opposed to the effect coming from a static ability on the creature).  Here are some examples of creatures with abilities that can continue to apply even if the originating creature dies: <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bKamahl%2c%20Fist%20of%20Krosa%5d">Kamahl, Fist of Krosa</a>, <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAgrus%20Kos%2c%20Wojek%20Veteran%5d">Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran</a>, and <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bStigma%20Lasher%5d">Stigma Lasher</a>.</p>

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Thanks guys! I showed it to him and he understands it!
SorcerousNerd
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Zags
<p>No, you're right.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>510.4. If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike (see rule 702.7) or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>After damage has been dealt, the active player gets priority (510.3) and state-based actions are checked; the Legion Lieutenant dies and its effect will stop (this is different from effects which say something like 'target creature will get +1/+1 until end of turn'). The Forerunner of the Legion is a 2/2 again.</p>

<p>Only then, a second combat damage step will be started, and damage done by the Forerunner of the Legion is calculated, which will only be 2 damage.</p>

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2019-05-12T19:45:41.233Z
Also relevant: *611.3b [A continuous effect generated by a static ability] applies at all times that the permanent generating it is on the battlefield or the object generating it is in the appropriate zone.* And only then.
ikegami
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2019-05-13T16:21:44.130Z
I think that to be complete, this answer should include that SBAs are checked before the second damage step.
Acccumulation
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Glorfindel
<p>I've had a predicament recently: my good friend was playing an Ixalan vampire deck and he played a <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bLegion%20Lieutenant%5d">Legion Lieutenant</a>, a 2/2 that gives your other vampires +1/+1. The following turn, he attacks with the Legion Lieutenant and a <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bForerunner%20of%20the%20Legion%5d">Forerunner of the Legion</a>, a 2/2 vampire. It has +1/+1 thanks to the Legion Lieutenant, making it a 3/3.<br>
I block the Legion Lieutenant with a 2/2 with first strike, so my creature will deal damage first, and when the normal damage is dealt the Forerunner of the Legion no longer has the buff and is now a 2/2 again. I would therefore only take 2 damage.<br>
However, he believes that the buff lasts until the end of the combat phase. Am I in the wrong?</p>

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Does a buff remain in combat when the buffing creature dies to first strike damage?
SorcerousNerd
# Does a buff remain in combat when the buffing creature dies to first strike damage?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-05-12)

I've had a predicament recently: my good friend was playing an Ixalan vampire deck and he played a [Legion Lieutenant](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bLegion%20Lieutenant%5d), a 2/2 that gives your other vampires +1/+1. The following turn, he attacks with the Legion Lieutenant and a [Forerunner of the Legion](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bForerunner%20of%20the%20Legion%5d), a 2/2 vampire. It has +1/+1 thanks to the Legion Lieutenant, making it a 3/3.  
I block the Legion Lieutenant with a 2/2 with first strike, so my creature will deal damage first, and when the normal damage is dealt the Forerunner of the Legion no longer has the buff and is now a 2/2 again. I would therefore only take 2 damage.  
However, he believes that the buff lasts until the end of the combat phase. Am I in the wrong?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-05-13. Score: 7

The buff goes away as soon as Legion Lieutenant dies because the buff comes form an ability on Legion Lieutenant. Since Legion Lieutenant dies during the first strike combat damage step, its buff will not be applied during the regular combat step.

The relevant rules are the following:

> 611.3. A continuous effect may be generated by the static ability of an object.
>
> 611.3b The effect applies at all times that the permanent generating it is on the battlefield or the object generating it is in the appropriate zone.

Creatures can generate effects that will continue to apply if the creature dies, but to do so, the creature must have an activated or triggered ability that generates the effect (as opposed to the effect coming from a static ability on the creature). Here are some examples of creatures with abilities that can continue to apply even if the originating creature dies: [Kamahl, Fist of Krosa](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bKamahl%2c%20Fist%20of%20Krosa%5d), [Agrus Kos, Wojek Veteran](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bAgrus%20Kos%2c%20Wojek%20Veteran%5d), and [Stigma Lasher](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bStigma%20Lasher%5d).

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks guys! I showed it to him and he understands it!  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2019-05-12. Score: 7

No, you're right.

> 510.4. If at least one attacking or blocking creature has first strike (see rule 702.7) or double strike (see rule 702.4) as the combat damage step begins, the only creatures that assign combat damage in that step are those with first strike or double strike.

After damage has been dealt, the active player gets priority (510.3) and state-based actions are checked; the Legion Lieutenant dies and its effect will stop (this is different from effects which say something like 'target creature will get +1/+1 until end of turn'). The Forerunner of the Legion is a 2/2 again.

Only then, a second combat damage step will be started, and damage done by the Forerunner of the Legion is calculated, which will only be 2 damage.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Also relevant: *611.3b [A continuous effect generated by a static ability] applies at all times that the permanent generating it is on the battlefield or the object generating it is in the appropriate zone.* And only then.  
> **username_4**: I think that to be complete, this answer should include that SBAs are checked before the second damage step.  

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