Answers.Body: <p>Since you are working remotely, I might direct them to a Google Form that asks followup questions.  So, if they initially chose "Something doesn't work!" the form would follow up with a series of questions:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>What, very specifically, doesn't work?</li>
  <li>What is it doing instead?</li>
  <li>What have you tried so far?</li>
  <li>Please paste only the relevant parts of your source code here.  (Don't give me parts of the source code that you are sure are not relevant!)</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>It's almost like (gently) easing the kids in to SE norms :)</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Even before the course starts give them a document that explains something of your concerns. The important point is that "I can't read your mind." You have to tell me about your problems. Give a few examples of the kinds of things that don't help and show better alternatives for each. </p>
  
  <p>I note that the students are quite young and may have some trouble learning this (as any) lesson. But it is better to deliver the message at the start to everyone so that it doesn't sound like individual criticism when you remind someone that you can't read their mind. </p>
  
  <p>But a few examples might help. </p>
  
  <p>Also, what BenI. said. </p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>The brutal truth is that most of us are quite weak when it comes to asking questions. Given the age-group with which you're working, I'm a little surprised. I thought youngsters a little less ego-defensive.</p>
  
  <p>In my experience with MOOCs, grads seemed to ask questions constructively: I was doing 'this', expecting 'that' (most often, what the coursework predicts), but 'something else' occurred. When the demography changed to more 'ordinary people', the quality of questioning declined.</p>
  
  <p>Hey, even my first-before-all-else position as telephone 'TechSupport' to my mother, suffers from this problem: "how did it go?" "Oh, I did that but nothing happened; so I'm just waiting" or "press the Menu button", "but I can't see a menu button on the keyboard" - and she's ninety, not nine! (and had better not ever read this!)</p>
  
  <p>I'd consider it rude were one of my tutors to say things like: "you have to tell me 'everything' because my crystal ball is broken" despite the (massive) temptation to do so. Take a deep breath before responding - even help someone else before coming-back to 'the problem'. </p>
  
  <p>Also, if you are receiving 'the same question', that may indicate a 'gap' in the materials. Similarly, there is no harm in answering 'Barney's' "similar question' by referring him to the response you gave 'Fred'. In fact, it may encourage them to help each by answering each other's questions (collaboration, social learning, ...) - but I presume you have some sort of 'bulletin board' discussion environment cf one-to-one email or similar.</p>
  
  <p>Your students (and many of my vocational trainees) are used to having you/someone 'right there'. So, remote work is a big change for them too. Frustration will arise! Meantime, don't discount your own frustration at trying to help but being unable to see even the slightest hint of what (s)he's doing and the results thereof!</p>
  
  <p>I have found that giving out pages of HowTo advice at the beginning of a course is largely wasted. Probably because there is so much (other) 'bureaucracy' at a time when most are feeling 'enough already! Just get on with it...'. Even(?) university students are guilty of this. When we refer them to such hand-outs, the excuses come back thick-and-fast - inevitably, "I didn't read it".</p>
  
  <p>Accordingly, you might like to devote some time to explaining 'the new normal' during your next class - perhaps a 'filler'/break in-between major teaching-objectives; or whilst giving pause before repetition. </p>
  
  <p>You could even give them an assignment to do with a member of their family - the student is blind-folded or facing the other way/into a corner, the other operates the computer or carries-out some common (multi-step) task but with "dumb insolence" (only acting literally, to the letter-of-the-law). It's a 'what is computer programming' exercise, but questions are a form of instruction too! Thereafter link the lesson-learned to question-asking skills on-line...</p>
  
  <p>Also, remember how last-minute-merchants tend to be in a state of 'panic'? They may not intend to be quite so rude or to give opaque descriptions. Sometimes addressing the person 'behind' the question can help. Once the trainee has settled, a more meaningful conversation should follow.</p>
  
  <p>Which brings me to the suggestion that (I'm assuming assignments span days), it is a good idea to ask a question which encourages thought about the assignment on (perhaps) a daily basis. Firstly, you are encouraging an early start (we can but hope!). Secondly, repetition is a key to 'learning' (apologies!). Thirdly, you help kids who don't have self-organisation skills, which they will also need to be learning if this is their first on-line course! However, the big-win is that with 'good design' of your reminder/follow-ups, it should start to encourage questions to take the form: 'you know how you said... well when I tried... and this is what happened... How come?' which helps to create exactly the structure for which you yearn! 
  (well OK, sorry but nothing's perfect!)</p>
  
  <p>You may like to take a look at <a href="https://blog.edx.org/tips-for-successful-online-learning/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://blog.edx.org/tips-for-successful-online-learning/</a> plus its links. There used to be a free, not-for-credit course as a gentle introduction to learning on-line, but my quick-look, just now, failed to spot it. NB that course took a trainee's point-of-view cf the plethora of 'transitioning to teaching on-line' courses aimed at teachers! (that said, if you've never been trained to present on-line, might such a course include exactly this question?) </p>
  
  <p>Try also <a href="https://www.futurelearn.com/using-futurelearn/why-it-works" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.futurelearn.com/using-futurelearn/why-it-works</a> although that seems to be the hows-and-whys of their implementation of many of Hattie's ideas and philosophies. They also offer <a href="https://www.futurelearn.com/learning-guide" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.futurelearn.com/learning-guide</a> as a PDF or epub (registration required) but you would have to heavily re-word this before use directly with students in such young age-groups (use with their parents might be another and valid approach though)</p>
  
  <p>Welcome to this brave, new, world! All the best... =dn
  (Disclaimer: I have used the edX platform to present (and answer questions) for many years)</p>
  
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Body: <p>Sorry if not a question about Computer Science / IT / digital literacy. However I am teaching these, and it is about use of IT (Communication Technology) in teaching.</p>
  
  <p>I have now started to teach multiple people remotely (3 classes of >20, yesterday). Key stage 3 pupils (years 7-9) (ages 11-14 ish).</p>
  
  <p>I have sent them work to do. Some of them just get on with in. Others are having difficulty. The problem that I am having is with feedback.</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>Some are not telling me what a wonderful job of study they are doing (I found out later).</li>
  <li>Some are asking for help, but are not clear "I don't get it!". "I tried it, and it does not work".</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>How do a train this second group in how to give good feedback. I have no idea what these comments mean. They could mean:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>I did it, this was too easy, did I miss something. (I would still want them to express what they did and show evidence of learning).</li>
  <li>I don't know what you are asking me to do. </li>
  <li>I know <strong>what</strong> to do, but not <strong>how</strong> to do it.</li>
  <li>I can't open the resource.</li>
  <li>I know what to do. I know how to do it. If I was in the classroom, then I could do it, but I can't do it here. Because {I don't have the correct equipment, I don't know how to set it up}.</li>
  </ul>
  
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Title: Training students to give better feedback, when remote teaching
ThreadText: # Training students to give better feedback, when remote teaching
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-03-24)
  
  Sorry if not a question about Computer Science / IT / digital literacy. However I am teaching these, and it is about use of IT (Communication Technology) in teaching.
  
  I have now started to teach multiple people remotely (3 classes of >20, yesterday). Key stage 3 pupils (years 7-9) (ages 11-14 ish).
  
  I have sent them work to do. Some of them just get on with in. Others are having difficulty. The problem that I am having is with feedback.
  
  * Some are not telling me what a wonderful job of study they are doing (I found out later).
  * Some are asking for help, but are not clear "I don't get it!". "I tried it, and it does not work".
  
  How do a train this second group in how to give good feedback. I have no idea what these comments mean. They could mean:
  
  * I did it, this was too easy, did I miss something. (I would still want them to express what they did and show evidence of learning).
  * I don't know what you are asking me to do.
  * I know **what** to do, but not **how** to do it.
  * I can't open the resource.
  * I know what to do. I know how to do it. If I was in the classroom, then I could do it, but I can't do it here. Because {I don't have the correct equipment, I don't know how to set it up}.
  
  **Tags:** distance-learning
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I think there is a page (somewhere) on how to ask good questions on this site. It may be relevent.  
  
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  ## 3 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2020-03-24. Score: 3
  
  Since you are working remotely, I might direct them to a Google Form that asks followup questions. So, if they initially chose "Something doesn't work!" the form would follow up with a series of questions:
  
  * What, very specifically, doesn't work?
  * What is it doing instead?
  * What have you tried so far?
  * Please paste only the relevant parts of your source code here. (Don't give me parts of the source code that you are sure are not relevant!)
  
  It's almost like (gently) easing the kids in to SE norms :)
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2020-03-24. Score: 2
  
  Even before the course starts give them a document that explains something of your concerns. The important point is that "I can't read your mind." You have to tell me about your problems. Give a few examples of the kinds of things that don't help and show better alternatives for each.
  
  I note that the students are quite young and may have some trouble learning this (as any) lesson. But it is better to deliver the message at the start to everyone so that it doesn't sound like individual criticism when you remind someone that you can't read their mind.
  
  But a few examples might help.
  
  Also, what BenI. said.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2020-03-29. Score: 2
  
  The brutal truth is that most of us are quite weak when it comes to asking questions. Given the age-group with which you're working, I'm a little surprised. I thought youngsters a little less ego-defensive.
  
  In my experience with MOOCs, grads seemed to ask questions constructively: I was doing 'this', expecting 'that' (most often, what the coursework predicts), but 'something else' occurred. When the demography changed to more 'ordinary people', the quality of questioning declined.
  
  Hey, even my first-before-all-else position as telephone 'TechSupport' to my mother, suffers from this problem: "how did it go?" "Oh, I did that but nothing happened; so I'm just waiting" or "press the Menu button", "but I can't see a menu button on the keyboard" - and she's ninety, not nine! (and had better not ever read this!)
  
  I'd consider it rude were one of my tutors to say things like: "you have to tell me 'everything' because my crystal ball is broken" despite the (massive) temptation to do so. Take a deep breath before responding - even help someone else before coming-back to 'the problem'.
  
  Also, if you are receiving 'the same question', that may indicate a 'gap' in the materials. Similarly, there is no harm in answering 'Barney's' "similar question' by referring him to the response you gave 'Fred'. In fact, it may encourage them to help each by answering each other's questions (collaboration, social learning, ...) - but I presume you have some sort of 'bulletin board' discussion environment cf one-to-one email or similar.
  
  Your students (and many of my vocational trainees) are used to having you/someone 'right there'. So, remote work is a big change for them too. Frustration will arise! Meantime, don't discount your own frustration at trying to help but being unable to see even the slightest hint of what (s)he's doing and the results thereof!
  
  I have found that giving out pages of HowTo advice at the beginning of a course is largely wasted. Probably because there is so much (other) 'bureaucracy' at a time when most are feeling 'enough already! Just get on with it...'. Even(?) university students are guilty of this. When we refer them to such hand-outs, the excuses come back thick-and-fast - inevitably, "I didn't read it".
  
  Accordingly, you might like to devote some time to explaining 'the new normal' during your next class - perhaps a 'filler'/break in-between major teaching-objectives; or whilst giving pause before repetition.
  
  You could even give them an assignment to do with a member of their family - the student is blind-folded or facing the other way/into a corner, the other operates the computer or carries-out some common (multi-step) task but with "dumb insolence" (only acting literally, to the letter-of-the-law). It's a 'what is computer programming' exercise, but questions are a form of instruction too! Thereafter link the lesson-learned to question-asking skills on-line...
  
  Also, remember how last-minute-merchants tend to be in a state of 'panic'? They may not intend to be quite so rude or to give opaque descriptions. Sometimes addressing the person 'behind' the question can help. Once the trainee has settled, a more meaningful conversation should follow.
  
  Which brings me to the suggestion that (I'm assuming assignments span days), it is a good idea to ask a question which encourages thought about the assignment on (perhaps) a daily basis. Firstly, you are encouraging an early start (we can but hope!). Secondly, repetition is a key to 'learning' (apologies!). Thirdly, you help kids who don't have self-organisation skills, which they will also need to be learning if this is their first on-line course! However, the big-win is that with 'good design' of your reminder/follow-ups, it should start to encourage questions to take the form: 'you know how you said... well when I tried... and this is what happened... How come?' which helps to create exactly the structure for which you yearn!
  (well OK, sorry but nothing's perfect!)
  
  You may like to take a look at <https://blog.edx.org/tips-for-successful-online-learning/> plus its links. There used to be a free, not-for-credit course as a gentle introduction to learning on-line, but my quick-look, just now, failed to spot it. NB that course took a trainee's point-of-view cf the plethora of 'transitioning to teaching on-line' courses aimed at teachers! (that said, if you've never been trained to present on-line, might such a course include exactly this question?)
  
  Try also <https://www.futurelearn.com/using-futurelearn/why-it-works> although that seems to be the hows-and-whys of their implementation of many of Hattie's ideas and philosophies. They also offer <https://www.futurelearn.com/learning-guide> as a PDF or epub (registration required) but you would have to heavily re-word this before use directly with students in such young age-groups (use with their parents might be another and valid approach though)
  
  Welcome to this brave, new, world! All the best... =dn
  (Disclaimer: I have used the edX platform to present (and answer questions) for many years)
  
  
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