Answers.Body: <p>If I were you, I'd try to use a car chassis as simple as possible.</p>
  
  <p>This would achieve multiple goals:</p>
  
  <ol>
  <li>By using a vehicle with the least amount of complexity you can keep the price low.</li>
  <li>By avoiding unnecessary parts the students' attention will not be drawn from the topic at hand, e.g. they will be more inclined to listen and cooperate if they are not wondering about or playing with the bucket lifting mechanism of 8071.</li>
  <li>The less parts included in the design, the less chances for something to go wrong.</li>
  <li>Some space is needed in order to mount the required hardware (motor, batteries, receiver, anything inbetween) and this space is best left open for easy access to inspect, explain, debug, repair, replace, etc.</li>
  <li>This approach leaves many ways to upgrade the "final result", either functionally (adding lights, brakes, etc), aesthetically (building a great looking body), electronically (adding additional subsystems like a parking assistant) or mechanically (include advanced steering geometries, suspension, etc) if you or the students wish to do so.</li>
  <li>Minimizing the time required to build the mechanical part leaves that much more time for the intended topic of the workshop (the electronics).</li>
  </ol>
  
  <p>Therefore I'd recommend building a simple steered front axle without suspension, a rear axle that is nothing more than an axle and two wheels and slapping both on a large plate or any equivalent flat assembly.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: hello dear zovits, many many thanks for the advices and recommendations. These are very valuable and a great asset of food for thougths. 
  
  I will take them into account.  Many thanks again !
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Answers.Body: <p>I'd be tempted to use the <a href="https://brickset.com/sets/76112-1/App-Controlled-Batmobile" rel="noreferrer">Batmobile (76112)</a> design:</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/8kl4K.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/8kl4K.png" alt="Batmobile Chassis"></a></p>
  
  <p>Basically, you have independent motors for the left and right wheels. This allows you to steer quickly and easily without the fuss of a traditional steering system.</p>
  
  <p>The Batmobile is $100 MSRP, and can be found on sale. The included motor controller is Bluetooth based, and can be remote controlled via a smart device or custom software on a laptop. Basically, that set meets your needs if you can afford it.</p>
  
  <p>If that is too expensive for you, I'd still encourage you to consider using a similar design using official LEGO motors. It's relatively complicated to integrate off-the-shelf motors with LEGO (I did this a lot as a kid), and the official motors are actually quite cheap these days. You can pick up <a href="https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/LEGO-Power-Functions-M-Motor-8883" rel="noreferrer">Power Functions M Motors for $7.49</a>:</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/knwez.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/knwez.png" alt="PF M Motor"></a></p>
  
  <p>That's $15 for the pair. You'd just need to cut off the Power Functions connector and connect the motor to your driver. This saves you the fuss of mounting your motors and integrating them with LEGO gears and wheels.</p>
  
  <p>This is really outside the scope of your question, but on the electronics side I personally wouldn't use an Arduino. I'd probably go with something that has wireless built in, such as something <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266" rel="noreferrer">ESP8266</a>-based. Then, all you need is your microcontroller and motor driver for a working system. The system can be remote controlled from a PC or smart device. You wouldn't even need special software on the remote, as the microcontroller can broadcast an SSID and serve up a web-based controller to the connected device.</p>
  
  <p>So then your BOM would be:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>2x PF M Motors ($15)</li>
  <li>NodeMCU or other wireless controller ($3)</li>
  <li>A few Technic beams, gears, axles, wheels, etc ($5+)</li>
  <li>Battery box ($2)</li>
  <li>TB6612FNG or similar dual motor controller ($1)</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>You could probably do the whole thing for ~$30.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: This is a great idea and simple to execute, but OP has explicitly stated that a driven rear and a steered front axle is required: "The main thing is, I need to have the rear axle to be attached to a single N20 motor to move the kart forward and reverse via a TB6612FNG motor driver. Front steering can be controlled by an SG90 servo motor."
  Your input on the pricing and the recommendation for the microcontroller is nonetheless very valuable.
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Answers.Text: hello dear jncraton - many thanks for the answer with all the hints - very intersting ideas that are worth to follow. This is truely a great place for all brick-endeavours
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Body: <p>I am starting a project - Arduino-izing LEGO Technic - and now I need some ideas for a car / vehicle to choose.</p>
  
  <p>This project starts out as a quest to find a way to combine the ease of LEGO Technic chassis building with cheap commodity electronics to motorize and remote control it. I am looking for a car / vehicle that is able to work for this. This could be a simple chassis:</p>
  
  <p><a href="https://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Custom-Arduino-Remote-Control-and-L/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Custom-Arduino-Remote-Control-and-L/</a>
  <a href="https://www.hackster.io/Notthemarsian/take-control-over-lego-power-functions-ee0bfa" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.hackster.io/Notthemarsian/take-control-over-lego-power-functions-ee0bfa</a>
  <a href="https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Remote-Controlled-Car-1/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Remote-Controlled-Car-1/</a></p>
  
  <p>This should be a part of a robotics workshop and therefore I need a LEGO-based platform for younger kids who grew up with Lego but cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars to buy power functions, LEGO motors, IR remote, and EV3. Thanks to numerous examples on the net and several and Youtube tutorials on integrating Arduino with LEGO, I will try to start out with an interesting example. </p>
  
  <p>Starting point: the kids should be able to complete this project with a small budget and I hope to incorporate this into my robotics workshop in the future.</p>
  
  <p>The main thing is, I need to have the rear axle to be attached to a single N20 motor to move the kart forward and reverse via a TB6612FNG motor driver. 
  Front steering can be controlled by an SG90 servo motor. </p>
  
  <p>Remote control should be able to be accomplished by a cheap IR remote/receiver solution based on </p>
  
  <ol>
  <li>Arduino</li>
  <li>Zigbee</li>
  <li>Bluetooth </li>
  </ol>
  
  <p>I understand that the IR remote hardware (and the method) is pretty hard part to implement and learn about a remote control system so it was a perfect option for this car.</p>
  
  <p>Since this is just a proof-of-concept project and the design follows function - I need to have an idea.</p>
  
  <p>The main question is: which LEGO car to choose? 
  How about LEGO Technic-8071 - the Service Truck? 
  What would you suggest? </p>
  
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Comments.Text: The Arduino is a great platform for education and getting to the point of doing interesting stuff quickly.  There are a variety of Arduino shields for doing motor control and many forms of wireless.  A later optimization for you might be to make a shield for your students that merges those functions into one shield.  http://www.epanorama.net/newepa/2017/04/23/lego-power-functions-with-arduino/ is another way to do get your Arduino to talk to the robot.
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Title: Arduino-izing LEGO Technic - ideas for a car / vehicle to choose
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ThreadText: # Arduino-izing LEGO Technic - ideas for a car / vehicle to choose
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2019-01-21)
  
  I am starting a project - Arduino-izing LEGO Technic - and now I need some ideas for a car / vehicle to choose.
  
  This project starts out as a quest to find a way to combine the ease of LEGO Technic chassis building with cheap commodity electronics to motorize and remote control it. I am looking for a car / vehicle that is able to work for this. This could be a simple chassis:
  
  <https://www.instructables.com/id/Build-your-own-Custom-Arduino-Remote-Control-and-L/>
  <https://www.hackster.io/Notthemarsian/take-control-over-lego-power-functions-ee0bfa>
  <https://www.instructables.com/id/Raspberry-Pi-Remote-Controlled-Car-1/>
  
  This should be a part of a robotics workshop and therefore I need a LEGO-based platform for younger kids who grew up with Lego but cannot afford to spend hundreds of dollars to buy power functions, LEGO motors, IR remote, and EV3. Thanks to numerous examples on the net and several and Youtube tutorials on integrating Arduino with LEGO, I will try to start out with an interesting example.
  
  Starting point: the kids should be able to complete this project with a small budget and I hope to incorporate this into my robotics workshop in the future.
  
  The main thing is, I need to have the rear axle to be attached to a single N20 motor to move the kart forward and reverse via a TB6612FNG motor driver.
  Front steering can be controlled by an SG90 servo motor.
  
  Remote control should be able to be accomplished by a cheap IR remote/receiver solution based on
  
  1. Arduino
  2. Zigbee
  3. Bluetooth
  
  I understand that the IR remote hardware (and the method) is pretty hard part to implement and learn about a remote control system so it was a perfect option for this car.
  
  Since this is just a proof-of-concept project and the design follows function - I need to have an idea.
  
  The main question is: which LEGO car to choose?
  How about LEGO Technic-8071 - the Service Truck?
  What would you suggest?
  
  **Tags:** design, electronics, remote-control, 3rd-party, arduino
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: The Arduino is a great platform for education and getting to the point of doing interesting stuff quickly.  There are a variety of Arduino shields for doing motor control and many forms of wireless.  A later optimization for you might be to make a shield for your students that merges those functions into one shield.  http://www.epanorama.net/newepa/2017/04/23/lego-power-functions-with-arduino/ is another way to do get your Arduino to talk to the robot.  
  
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  ## 2 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_2 on 2019-01-21. Score: 5 | Accepted answer
  
  If I were you, I'd try to use a car chassis as simple as possible.
  
  This would achieve multiple goals:
  
  1. By using a vehicle with the least amount of complexity you can keep the price low.
  2. By avoiding unnecessary parts the students' attention will not be drawn from the topic at hand, e.g. they will be more inclined to listen and cooperate if they are not wondering about or playing with the bucket lifting mechanism of 8071.
  3. The less parts included in the design, the less chances for something to go wrong.
  4. Some space is needed in order to mount the required hardware (motor, batteries, receiver, anything inbetween) and this space is best left open for easy access to inspect, explain, debug, repair, replace, etc.
  5. This approach leaves many ways to upgrade the "final result", either functionally (adding lights, brakes, etc), aesthetically (building a great looking body), electronically (adding additional subsystems like a parking assistant) or mechanically (include advanced steering geometries, suspension, etc) if you or the students wish to do so.
  6. Minimizing the time required to build the mechanical part leaves that much more time for the intended topic of the workshop (the electronics).
  
  Therefore I'd recommend building a simple steered front axle without suspension, a rear axle that is nothing more than an axle and two wheels and slapping both on a large plate or any equivalent flat assembly.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: hello dear username_2, many many thanks for the advices and recommendations. These are very valuable and a great asset of food for thougths.   I will take them into account.  Many thanks again !  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2019-01-21. Score: 8
  
  I'd be tempted to use the [Batmobile (76112)](https://brickset.com/sets/76112-1/App-Controlled-Batmobile) design:
  
  [![Batmobile Chassis](https://i.sstatic.net/8kl4K.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/8kl4K.png)
  
  Basically, you have independent motors for the left and right wheels. This allows you to steer quickly and easily without the fuss of a traditional steering system.
  
  The Batmobile is $100 MSRP, and can be found on sale. The included motor controller is Bluetooth based, and can be remote controlled via a smart device or custom software on a laptop. Basically, that set meets your needs if you can afford it.
  
  If that is too expensive for you, I'd still encourage you to consider using a similar design using official LEGO motors. It's relatively complicated to integrate off-the-shelf motors with LEGO (I did this a lot as a kid), and the official motors are actually quite cheap these days. You can pick up [Power Functions M Motors for $7.49](https://shop.lego.com/en-US/product/LEGO-Power-Functions-M-Motor-8883):
  
  [![PF M Motor](https://i.sstatic.net/knwez.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/knwez.png)
  
  That's $15 for the pair. You'd just need to cut off the Power Functions connector and connect the motor to your driver. This saves you the fuss of mounting your motors and integrating them with LEGO gears and wheels.
  
  This is really outside the scope of your question, but on the electronics side I personally wouldn't use an Arduino. I'd probably go with something that has wireless built in, such as something [ESP8266](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESP8266)-based. Then, all you need is your microcontroller and motor driver for a working system. The system can be remote controlled from a PC or smart device. You wouldn't even need special software on the remote, as the microcontroller can broadcast an SSID and serve up a web-based controller to the connected device.
  
  So then your BOM would be:
  
  * 2x PF M Motors ($15)
  * NodeMCU or other wireless controller ($3)
  * A few Technic beams, gears, axles, wheels, etc ($5+)
  * Battery box ($2)
  * TB6612FNG or similar dual motor controller ($1)
  
  You could probably do the whole thing for ~$30.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: This is a great idea and simple to execute, but OP has explicitly stated that a driven rear and a steered front axle is required: "The main thing is, I need to have the rear axle to be attached to a single N20 motor to move the kart forward and reverse via a TB6612FNG motor driver. Front steering can be controlled by an SG90 servo motor." Your input on the pricing and the recommendation for the microcontroller is nonetheless very valuable.  
  > **username_0**: hello dear username_3 - many thanks for the answer with all the hints - very intersting ideas that are worth to follow. This is truely a great place for all brick-endeavours  
  
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