Answers.Body: <p>Well the power cable <strong>is</strong> the main difference, as one motor was made for the short-lived 9V RC system while the other is the current PF one.</p>
  
  <p>However, that doesn't mean the internals are the same. From <a href="http://www.philohome.com/motors/motorcomp.htm">Philo 's motor comparison page</a>, you'll see that the PF motor is better, and that <em>fortunately the performances are much improved</em> [over the RC one], <em>with an efficiency and power even exceeding the old 9V train motors</em>.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Great link! Luckily the older motor isn't the REALLY OLD 9V Train version (seems to be a weaker RC Train version that was sold with only one set according to brinklink). All I know is this is very confusing. Even the new train motors are 9 volts, right?
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Answers.Text: Yes, the LEGO company has been using 9V for a while now. The RC motor came with two train sets in 2006: [7897](http://www.brickset.com/detail/?set=7897-1) and [7898](http://www.brickset.com/detail/?set=7898-1), but that system was a transition between the old 9V-through-track trains and the new PF ones, the only thing they kept were the plastic-only rails. Note that due to the Technic nature of wheels, you can also use other Technic motors - such as they did for the Emerald Night.
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Answers.Text: Oh, so to power the Emerald Night you didn't use a regular train motor? Interesting.
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Answers.Text: Indeed the official way (as in, there are instructions for how to do so) is with a PF XL motor which is lodged in the cabin and powers one set of the big wheels. I suppose how the wheels are arranged would make it difficult to use a regular motor (and I don't think the PF one existed at that time). That said, you could also modify the tender to put a regular motor or two in it, but then you have to push the locomotive itself and it's prone to derailing if the wheels aren't rearranged seriously.
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Answers.Body: <p>Some useful information I can share from experience.  The PF train motor has much more torque than it's 9V. predecessor.  The old motor typically took around 3 "clicks" on the remote to get the engine moving, while the new motor starts moving the engine on the first "click".  The added torque is much better suited for small loop tracks where the train is constantly pulling into or out of a turn.  The train cars typical in Lego sets with only 2 sets of wheels, instead of bogies with 2 pairs of wheels, really drag through corners since they don't conform to the curve.  This is also why these cars are always so short, if they were too long they would actually derail.  </p>
  
  <p>The wire difference is significant because on the early model the wire "plugged" into/onto the motor base.  The new PF motor has a wire permanently attached protruding from the motor base.  These motors and their power supplies are backwards compatible, but require one of the two "Power Functions Extension Wires" to work.  These wires have both a "standard" 9V. connector and a PF style one.  Hooking "Old" to "New" is as simple as replacing the wire with one of these.  Hooking "New" to "Old" requires adding this wire to the permanently attached PF wire, which can be problematic when trying to "stuff" all that wire into your narrow train base.  </p>
  
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  <p>In my experience the upgrade is totally worth it, most notably our Christmas train which spends most of it's life going around in a small circle.  It doesn't sound like it's constantly straining anymore and the batteries last longer. </p>
  
  <p>It is also worth noting that neither of the motors came with/come with the "decorative" side piece when purchased separately.  If you're replacing one motor for another then it's not an issue since the piece is the same for both "RC" motor types.  If buying one to motorize a previously non-motorized train then you are going to want/need to buy these pieces separately.  This is kind of annoying given the cost of them after shipping given how small they are.  </p>
  
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  <p>I realize this is an old question, but I felt I could add some useful information for anyone who happens upon it in the future.  </p>
  
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Body: <p>At the Lego store the other day they were talking about a "more powerful" train motor for the Maersk train (I was asking about adding a second motor to the red cargo train so it would go uphill). But I think it's the same motor that already comes with every other train out now. I bought an spare train motor (was on sale online) and I think THAT is the old version.  </p>
  
  <p>What is the difference between the two (beside the power cable)? </p>
  
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Title: What is the difference between the two train motors 8866-1 and 88002-1?
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ThreadText: # What is the difference between the two train motors 8866-1 and 88002-1?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2012-10-22)
  
  At the Lego store the other day they were talking about a "more powerful" train motor for the Maersk train (I was asking about adding a second motor to the red cargo train so it would go uphill). But I think it's the same motor that already comes with every other train out now. I bought an spare train motor (was on sale online) and I think THAT is the old version.
  
  What is the difference between the two (beside the power cable)?
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2012-10-22. Score: 6
  
  Well the power cable **is** the main difference, as one motor was made for the short-lived 9V RC system while the other is the current PF one.
  
  However, that doesn't mean the internals are the same. From [Philo 's motor comparison page](http://www.philohome.com/motors/motorcomp.htm), you'll see that the PF motor is better, and that *fortunately the performances are much improved* [over the RC one], *with an efficiency and power even exceeding the old 9V train motors*.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Great link! Luckily the older motor isn't the REALLY OLD 9V Train version (seems to be a weaker RC Train version that was sold with only one set according to brinklink). All I know is this is very confusing. Even the new train motors are 9 volts, right?  
  > **username_1**: Yes, the LEGO company has been using 9V for a while now. The RC motor came with two train sets in 2006: [7897](http://www.brickset.com/detail/?set=7897-1) and [7898](http://www.brickset.com/detail/?set=7898-1), but that system was a transition between the old 9V-through-track trains and the new PF ones, the only thing they kept were the plastic-only rails. Note that due to the Technic nature of wheels, you can also use other Technic motors - such as they did for the Emerald Night.  
  > **username_0**: Oh, so to power the Emerald Night you didn't use a regular train motor? Interesting.  
  > **username_1**: Indeed the official way (as in, there are instructions for how to do so) is with a PF XL motor which is lodged in the cabin and powers one set of the big wheels. I suppose how the wheels are arranged would make it difficult to use a regular motor (and I don't think the PF one existed at that time). That said, you could also modify the tender to put a regular motor or two in it, but then you have to push the locomotive itself and it's prone to derailing if the wheels aren't rearranged seriously.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2019-08-28. Score: 0
  
  Some useful information I can share from experience. The PF train motor has much more torque than it's 9V. predecessor. The old motor typically took around 3 "clicks" on the remote to get the engine moving, while the new motor starts moving the engine on the first "click". The added torque is much better suited for small loop tracks where the train is constantly pulling into or out of a turn. The train cars typical in Lego sets with only 2 sets of wheels, instead of bogies with 2 pairs of wheels, really drag through corners since they don't conform to the curve. This is also why these cars are always so short, if they were too long they would actually derail.
  
  The wire difference is significant because on the early model the wire "plugged" into/onto the motor base. The new PF motor has a wire permanently attached protruding from the motor base. These motors and their power supplies are backwards compatible, but require one of the two "Power Functions Extension Wires" to work. These wires have both a "standard" 9V. connector and a PF style one. Hooking "Old" to "New" is as simple as replacing the wire with one of these. Hooking "New" to "Old" requires adding this wire to the permanently attached PF wire, which can be problematic when trying to "stuff" all that wire into your narrow train base.
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/d26MW.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/d26MW.jpg)
  
  In my experience the upgrade is totally worth it, most notably our Christmas train which spends most of it's life going around in a small circle. It doesn't sound like it's constantly straining anymore and the batteries last longer.
  
  It is also worth noting that neither of the motors came with/come with the "decorative" side piece when purchased separately. If you're replacing one motor for another then it's not an issue since the piece is the same for both "RC" motor types. If buying one to motorize a previously non-motorized train then you are going to want/need to buy these pieces separately. This is kind of annoying given the cost of them after shipping given how small they are.
  
  [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/vWfff.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/vWfff.jpg)  
  <https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=2871b&idColor=86#T=S&C=11&O=>
  
  I realize this is an old question, but I felt I could add some useful information for anyone who happens upon it in the future.
  
  
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