Answers.Body: <p>First of all Rebrickable isn't the one and only place to share your MOCs.</p>
  <p>Next, there are several requirements for adding new MOCs: it has to have an inventory, free/paid instructions and design should be owned by you (or by someone from collaborative project). So you cannot simply add a model, created by someone else, just to keep its inventory in your collection.</p>
  <p>Model designers own their designs, so they may add and remove/hide their creation from Rebrickable. And this have happened before. It doesn't mean some model wasn't ripped off if the model doesn't exist on Rebrickable. And here is why:</p>
  <p>First picture in your question is a model of <a href="https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/149181-aston-martin-vantage-gt3-instructions-and-parts-list-now-available-thank-you-thorsten50/" rel="noreferrer">&quot;Aston Martin Vantage GT 3&quot; by DugaldIC</a>. It doesn't exist on Rebrickable. But it is the work of a person that isn't mentioned.</p>
  <p>Next model is Gumpert Apollo IE. I couldn't quickly identify author of this creation. But it has been produced by <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/lepin/comments/rfctoq/the_new_gumpert_apollo_ie_3668pcs_set_arrived/" rel="noreferrer">Lepin</a> which isn't reputable brick model manufacturer. Use of &quot;Nifeliz&quot; brand may be used to appeal to be more reputable, but I would bet both brands being manufactured under same roof.</p>
  <p>Again, both models are pretty sophisticated and aren't something your average Joe could built. It takes time and experience to create something like that. Offering a number of BIG and complex Technic models suggest me these weren't designed specifically for this brand but were sourced quickly via other means. There is a chance that model author actually agreed to sell his design. I don't remember if it was CADA who offered this? But the fact was that manufacturer was creating models no matter if MOC author agreed to be paid some small fee or not.</p>
  <p>Other red flags include the the lack of Aston Martin and Gumpert licensing on a box as well as model naming, like &quot;Ap<em><strong>e</strong></em>llo IE&quot;.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: The Aston Martin does exist on Rebrickable, although only as photos: https://rebrickable.com/users/Phil97/mocs/photos/
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Answers.Text: @zovits Not anymore. It used to be "MOC-8780" as suggest on the page you've linked to, but since has been removed from Rebrickable for some reason.
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Answers.Text: I couldn't find it in the wayback machine either.
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Body: <p>I'm no expert in searching Rebrickable, but turning up the minimum block count to over 3300 seriously cuts down on the number of matches. I've tried variations on the names and creative spelling, but I don't think I necessarily turned up <em>all</em> Technic cars with enough pieces. How might I better check that?</p>
  <p><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/B091SW3YJD" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091SW3YJD</a>
  <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/fwzMo.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/fwzMo.png" alt="Nifeliz Super car GT4 MOC" /></a></p>
  <p><a href="https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/B09PD9JMTY" rel="nofollow noreferrer" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PD9JMTY</a>
  <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/wN7RV.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/wN7RV.png" alt="Nifeliz Apello IE Sports Car" /></a></p>
  
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Comments.Text: I searched all Rebrickable MOCs with part [24118](https://rebrickable.com/parts/24118/technic-panel-car-mudguard-arched-15-x-2-x-5/#part_usage) in any colour for the first one, and [68196](https://rebrickable.com/parts/68196/technic-panel-curved-5-x-13-x-2-tapered-right/) for the other. I didn't find any MOC that resembles either car
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Tags: <set-identification><clone-brands><moc>
Title: Are either of these cars uncredited ripoffs from Rebrickable?
UserDisplayName: JDługosz
ThreadText: # Are either of these cars uncredited ripoffs from Rebrickable?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2022-04-11)
  
  I'm no expert in searching Rebrickable, but turning up the minimum block count to over 3300 seriously cuts down on the number of matches. I've tried variations on the names and creative spelling, but I don't think I necessarily turned up *all* Technic cars with enough pieces. How might I better check that?
  
  [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B091SW3YJD](https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/B091SW3YJD)
  [![Nifeliz Super car GT4 MOC](https://i.sstatic.net/fwzMo.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/fwzMo.png)
  
  [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09PD9JMTY](https://rads.stackoverflow.com/amzn/click/com/B09PD9JMTY)
  [![Nifeliz Apello IE Sports Car](https://i.sstatic.net/wN7RV.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/wN7RV.png)
  
  **Tags:** set-identification, clone-brands, moc
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: I searched all Rebrickable MOCs with part [24118](https://rebrickable.com/parts/24118/technic-panel-car-mudguard-arched-15-x-2-x-5/#part_usage) in any colour for the first one, and [68196](https://rebrickable.com/parts/68196/technic-panel-curved-5-x-13-x-2-tapered-right/) for the other. I didn't find any MOC that resembles either car  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2022-04-12. Score: 8
  
  First of all Rebrickable isn't the one and only place to share your MOCs.
  
  Next, there are several requirements for adding new MOCs: it has to have an inventory, free/paid instructions and design should be owned by you (or by someone from collaborative project). So you cannot simply add a model, created by someone else, just to keep its inventory in your collection.
  
  Model designers own their designs, so they may add and remove/hide their creation from Rebrickable. And this have happened before. It doesn't mean some model wasn't ripped off if the model doesn't exist on Rebrickable. And here is why:
  
  First picture in your question is a model of ["Aston Martin Vantage GT 3" by DugaldIC](https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/149181-aston-martin-vantage-gt3-instructions-and-parts-list-now-available-thank-you-thorsten50/). It doesn't exist on Rebrickable. But it is the work of a person that isn't mentioned.
  
  Next model is Gumpert Apollo IE. I couldn't quickly identify author of this creation. But it has been produced by [Lepin](https://www.reddit.com/r/lepin/comments/rfctoq/the_new_gumpert_apollo_ie_3668pcs_set_arrived/) which isn't reputable brick model manufacturer. Use of "Nifeliz" brand may be used to appeal to be more reputable, but I would bet both brands being manufactured under same roof.
  
  Again, both models are pretty sophisticated and aren't something your average Joe could built. It takes time and experience to create something like that. Offering a number of BIG and complex Technic models suggest me these weren't designed specifically for this brand but were sourced quickly via other means. There is a chance that model author actually agreed to sell his design. I don't remember if it was CADA who offered this? But the fact was that manufacturer was creating models no matter if MOC author agreed to be paid some small fee or not.
  
  Other red flags include the the lack of Aston Martin and Gumpert licensing on a box as well as model naming, like "Ap***e***llo IE".
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_3**: The Aston Martin does exist on Rebrickable, although only as photos: https://rebrickable.com/users/Phil97/mocs/photos/  
  > **username_2**: @username_3 Not anymore. It used to be "MOC-8780" as suggest on the page you've linked to, but since has been removed from Rebrickable for some reason.  
  > **username_4**: I couldn't find it in the wayback machine either.  
  
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