Answers.Body: <p>I was curious about this, and TLG was willing to provide me with one of these motors, so I opened it up. I was able to get the outer shell off by cutting down the 4 tabs on the outside. This motor does not appear to be meant to be opened and put back together. These tabs hold it together very firmly and I wasn't able to move them out of the way without damaging them. The motor does not stay together properly without them.</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/XUEAV.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/XUEAV.png" alt="XL Motor open" /></a></p>
  <p>The light bluish gray front can also be removed from the motor to reveal the internals.</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/nuQJy.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/nuQJy.jpg" alt="3 sections" /></a></p>
  <p>We can see that it uses a double set of planetary gears that are very similar to the PF XL motor.</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/OLxYQ.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/OLxYQ.png" alt="gears" /></a></p>
  <p>We can see an additional chip under the drive axle that is not present in PF motors. I believe that this is a rotary encoder to allow the motor to rotate in fixed increments.</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/6vkrF.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/6vkrF.jpg" alt="Rotary encoder" /></a></p>
  <p>There is a black ring around the red drive axle that is magnetic.</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/oy7A1.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/oy7A1.png" alt="Drive axle with black ring" /></a></p>
  <p>For comparison, here is an image from another teardown of the PF XL motor:</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/Z0BqZ.jpg" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/Z0BqZ.jpg" alt="PF XL motor" /></a></p>
  <p>We can see that the internal motor and gearing is roughly the same, but the PF version does not include the rotary encoder.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: The horror, the horror!
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Answers.Text: In my experience, the PUP motor spins at ~2x the speed and ~1/2 the torque, compared to the PF motors (a pretty big improvement IMO).
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Answers.Text: @AlexanderO'Mara Not sure how this could be an improvement. PU XL and L motors have pretty much the same specs now (apart from size), unlike with PF. What you were looking for in PF series is L motor. Higher torque and slower rpm has its own applications.
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Answers.Text: Do you happen to have a picture of black ring you've mentioned? Does PU version use same electrical motor as PF one?
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Answers.Text: @Alex I've added a photo of the output axle with the black ring that I mentioned. The internal motors appear the same to me, but I don't have a PF XL to compare against.
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Answers.Text: @Alex The PF XL motor was more powerful the PF L motor, when geared to similar speeds, so I tend to use it more than the L motor. I rarely used the XL without some gearing up though, which is why I consider the faster speed of the PUP version an improvement.
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Body: <p>What components are inside the new Technic Powered Up XL motor? Is it the same as the PF XL motor, except with a different connector?</p>
  <p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/hdEnH.png" rel="noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/hdEnH.png" alt="XL Motor" /></a></p>
  
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Title: What is inside the Technic Powered Up XL motor?
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ThreadText: # What is inside the Technic Powered Up XL motor?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-06-23)
  
  What components are inside the new Technic Powered Up XL motor? Is it the same as the PF XL motor, except with a different connector?
  
  [![XL Motor](https://i.sstatic.net/hdEnH.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/hdEnH.png)
  
  **Tags:** piece-information, motor, electronics, powered-up, disassembly
  
  
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  ## 1 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_0 on 2020-06-23. Score: 12 | Accepted answer
  
  I was curious about this, and TLG was willing to provide me with one of these motors, so I opened it up. I was able to get the outer shell off by cutting down the 4 tabs on the outside. This motor does not appear to be meant to be opened and put back together. These tabs hold it together very firmly and I wasn't able to move them out of the way without damaging them. The motor does not stay together properly without them.
  
  [![XL Motor open](https://i.sstatic.net/XUEAV.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/XUEAV.png)
  
  The light bluish gray front can also be removed from the motor to reveal the internals.
  
  [![3 sections](https://i.sstatic.net/nuQJy.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/nuQJy.jpg)
  
  We can see that it uses a double set of planetary gears that are very similar to the PF XL motor.
  
  [![gears](https://i.sstatic.net/OLxYQ.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/OLxYQ.png)
  
  We can see an additional chip under the drive axle that is not present in PF motors. I believe that this is a rotary encoder to allow the motor to rotate in fixed increments.
  
  [![Rotary encoder](https://i.sstatic.net/6vkrF.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/6vkrF.jpg)
  
  There is a black ring around the red drive axle that is magnetic.
  
  [![Drive axle with black ring](https://i.sstatic.net/oy7A1.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/oy7A1.png)
  
  For comparison, here is an image from another teardown of the PF XL motor:
  
  [![PF XL motor](https://i.sstatic.net/Z0BqZ.jpg)](https://i.sstatic.net/Z0BqZ.jpg)
  
  We can see that the internal motor and gearing is roughly the same, but the PF version does not include the rotary encoder.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: The horror, the horror!  
  > **username_2**: In my experience, the PUP motor spins at ~2x the speed and ~1/2 the torque, compared to the PF motors (a pretty big improvement IMO).  
  > **username_3**: @username_2 Not sure how this could be an improvement. PU XL and L motors have pretty much the same specs now (apart from size), unlike with PF. What you were looking for in PF series is L motor. Higher torque and slower rpm has its own applications.  
  > **username_3**: Do you happen to have a picture of black ring you've mentioned? Does PU version use same electrical motor as PF one?  
  > **username_0**: @username_3 I've added a photo of the output axle with the black ring that I mentioned. The internal motors appear the same to me, but I don't have a PF XL to compare against.  
  > **username_2**: @username_3 The PF XL motor was more powerful the PF L motor, when geared to similar speeds, so I tend to use it more than the L motor. I rarely used the XL without some gearing up though, which is why I consider the faster speed of the PUP version an improvement.  
  
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