Answers.Body: <p>This has definitely happened in endgames, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pawnless_chess_endgame" rel="nofollow noreferrer">e.g.</a>:</p>
  <blockquote>
  <p><em>Queen and a minor piece versus two rooks</em>: this is usually a draw for a knight and a win for a bishop, although the win takes up to eighty-five moves. The best method of defense is to double the rooks on the third rank with the opposing king on the other side and keep the king behind the rooks. This case with a bishop and queen versus rooks is unusual in that such a small material advantage forces a win. It was thought to be a draw by human analysis, but computer analysis revealed a long forced win (Müller &amp; Lamprecht 2001:404), (Nunn 2002a:328–29,367,372).</p>
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  <p>It also happens earlier during the middlegame, although this will depend on the time the human spends analyzing. It's a lot easier for the human to find the winning line if they know there's a way to &quot;break the fortress&quot;.</p>
  <p><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bIQDo0ReY10" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Example</a> (39 minutes in):</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;1q4rr/5p2/kpb2b2/p1p1pP2/P1PpP1pN/1P1P2P1/4QBN1/1K4R1 w - - 0 1&quot;]
  </code></pre>
  <p>(Black to play)</p>
  <p>Black is up the exchange, but the position is completely locked. Black could sacrifice an exchange on h4, but White has the g4-pawn well-covered and trades will only help White draw, since Black's c6-bishop is never penetrating White's position and it'd be an OCB endgame as well. Draw?</p>
  <p>In fairness to Nakamura, he didn't actually say it was a draw (he was playing against Komodo, after all), but you can see his reaction to Komodo's next move.</p>
  
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Body: <p>Of course, computers have changed the evaluation of more than one endgame position (BB vs N being the most known, I guess), which humans thought to be drawn.</p>
  <p>Having read another question here, I'm more after a specific question. Usually, computers have [had?] big troubles to recognize a fortress as a draw, but can you offhand give an example where humans thought this is a fortress, but computer proved it isn't because all humans overlooked a tactical point? (<em>Arguably</em> already BB vs N, or Q vs BB[?] counts, but I'm more after the pawn chain salad type here.)</p>
  
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Title: Computer being right and human being wrong
ThreadText: # Computer being right and human being wrong
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2021-03-14)
  
  Of course, computers have changed the evaluation of more than one endgame position (BB vs N being the most known, I guess), which humans thought to be drawn.
  
  Having read another question here, I'm more after a specific question. Usually, computers have [had?] big troubles to recognize a fortress as a draw, but can you offhand give an example where humans thought this is a fortress, but computer proved it isn't because all humans overlooked a tactical point? (*Arguably* already BB vs N, or Q vs BB[?] counts, but I'm more after the pawn chain salad type here.)
  
  **Tags:** engines, endgame, fortress
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2021-03-14. Score: 2 | Accepted answer
  
  This has definitely happened in endgames, e.g.:
  
  Queen and a minor piece versus two rooks: this is usually a draw for a knight and a win for a bishop, although the win takes up to eighty-five moves. The best method of defense is to double the rooks on the third rank with the opposing king on the other side and keep the king behind the rooks. This case with a bishop and queen versus rooks is unusual in that such a small material advantage forces a win. It was thought to be a draw by human analysis, but computer analysis revealed a long forced win (Müller & Lamprecht 2001:404), (Nunn 2002a:328–29,367,372).
  
  It also happens earlier during the middlegame, although this will depend on the time the human spends analyzing. It's a lot easier for the human to find the winning line if they know there's a way to "break the fortress".
  Example (39 minutes in):
  [FEN "1q4rr/5p2/kpb2b2/p1p1pP2/P1PpP1pN/1P1P2P1/4QBN1/1K4R1 w - - 0 1"]
  
  (Black to play)
  Black is up the exchange, but the position is completely locked. Black could sacrifice an exchange on h4, but White has the g4-pawn well-covered and trades will only help White draw, since Black's c6-bishop is never penetrating White's position and it'd be an OCB endgame as well. Draw?
  In fairness to Nakamura, he didn't actually say it was a draw (he was playing against Komodo, after all), but you can see his reaction to Komodo's next move.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: I accept for the example below, it definitely falls under what I wanted, amd never saw it before. Nakamura shouldn't have been so surprised, though, as the motive has been seen in the Berlin Defense lately very often (it is the move that I think it is, right? Didn't open the video yet).  
  
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