Answers.Body: <p>Those two games are indeed early forms of chess. The pieces were similar, although their moves were different, and there were some chess rules that had not yet been invented; however, chess evolved from those early games.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Chaturanga is the ancient game that gave birth to board games chess, shogi, makruk, xiangqi and janggi. I believe Chaturanga is the same game as Shatranj or got only slightly varied while moved from India to Sassanid Persia. There is another variation of chess Chaturaji which used 2 dices and 4 players (Ludo style) around 11th century or slightly earlier. The game of chess evolved from Shatranj and got most of the current rules around 15th century in Spain. It was only at late 19th century that Chess as we know of has been formalized.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>I found this article very informative:
  <a href="http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200904/the.game.of.kings.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200904/the.game.of.kings.htm</a></p>
  <p>These sections were particularly relevant:</p>
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  <p>Chess, however, was not invented in Persia. All early Persian references to chess use the term <em>chatrang</em>, from the Sanskrit <em>chaturanga</em> (“in four parts”), which describes the four components of an early Indian army: infantry, cavalry, elephants and chariots. The use of a Sanskrit-derived word for chess in an early Persian romance suggests an Indian origin for the game and not local invention, although supporting evidence is murky.<br />
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  The only convincing early Indian mention of chess is in a romance attributed to the sixth century, thus slightly earlier than the first Persian and Central Asian evidence. The poet Subandhu used a chess image to describe the monsoon season:</p>
  <p><em>The time of the rains played its game with frogs for chessmen which, yellow and green in color … leapt up on the black field squares.</em></p>
  <p>A story of the seventh-century Persian king Nushirvan (recorded by Firdawsi in the 11th-century <em>Shahnamah</em>, or <em>Book of Kings</em>) also supports an Indian origin of chess. An envoy came from India, the story says, “with elephants, parasols, and cavalry” and a chessboard, chessmen and a challenge: If Nushirvan’s courtiers could figure out the basic rules of the game, then unknown in Persia, the Indian king would gladly pay tribute to the Persian monarch. If they failed, however, Nushirvan would pay tribute to the Indian king. Nobles and priests labored without success for a week. Finally, after a day and a night of struggle, Nushirvan’s vizier deciphered and described the game:</p>
  <p><em>The sage has invented a battlefield, in the midst of which the king takes up his station. To the left and right of him the army is disposed, the foot-soldiers occupying the rank in front. At the king’s side stands his sagacious counselor, advising him on the strategy to be carried out during the battle. In the two directions the elephants are posted with their faces turned toward the conflict. Beyond them are stationed the war-horses, on which are mounted two resourceful riders, and fighting alongside them to the left and right are turrets ready for the fray</em></p>
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Answers.Body: <p>Chaturanga was evolved 2000 yrs ago. Chaturanga is based on Ashtpaad board (8×8) which was again modified. Many modern variants including Modern Chess are supposedly derived from Chaturanga.</p>
  <p>Before Ashtpaad board, Dashpaad board existed on 10x10. If you go through the historical evidences, you will find these boards. On Dashpaad board, Shadyantra or Shatranjan was played. So, Dashpaad is the most ancient board, and Shad Yantra is the most oldest game.</p>
  
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Body: <p>I had heard from someone that Chess evolved from <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturanga">Chaturanga</a> then <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatranj">Shatranj</a>.  Are there any pointers towards this?</p>
  
  <p>I would like to know counter arguments as well, if any.</p>
  
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Comments.Text: There are many games that share a common of ancestor of chess. These include [Xiangqi (Chinese chess)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi) and the mighty [Shogi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi), among others.
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Title: Is Chaturanga/Shatranj an early form of chess or is this altogether different?
ThreadText: # Is Chaturanga/Shatranj an early form of chess or is this altogether different?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2012-05-02)
  
  I had heard from someone that Chess evolved from [Chaturanga](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaturanga) then [Shatranj](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shatranj). Are there any pointers towards this?
  
  I would like to know counter arguments as well, if any.
  
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  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: There are many games that share a common of ancestor of chess. These include [Xiangqi (Chinese chess)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiangqi) and the mighty [Shogi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shogi), among others.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2012-05-03. Score: 11
  
  Those two games are indeed early forms of chess. The pieces were similar, although their moves were different, and there were some chess rules that had not yet been invented; however, chess evolved from those early games.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2016-01-26. Score: 5
  
  Chaturanga is the ancient game that gave birth to board games chess, shogi, makruk, xiangqi and janggi. I believe Chaturanga is the same game as Shatranj or got only slightly varied while moved from India to Sassanid Persia. There is another variation of chess Chaturaji which used 2 dices and 4 players (Ludo style) around 11th century or slightly earlier. The game of chess evolved from Shatranj and got most of the current rules around 15th century in Spain. It was only at late 19th century that Chess as we know of has been formalized.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2013-02-22. Score: 1
  
  I found this article very informative:
  <http://www.saudiaramcoworld.com/issue/200904/the.game.of.kings.htm>
  
  These sections were particularly relevant:
  
  > Chess, however, was not invented in Persia. All early Persian references to chess use the term *chatrang*, from the Sanskrit *chaturanga* (“in four parts”), which describes the four components of an early Indian army: infantry, cavalry, elephants and chariots. The use of a Sanskrit-derived word for chess in an early Persian romance suggests an Indian origin for the game and not local invention, although supporting evidence is murky.  
  > ...
  > The only convincing early Indian mention of chess is in a romance attributed to the sixth century, thus slightly earlier than the first Persian and Central Asian evidence. The poet Subandhu used a chess image to describe the monsoon season:
  >
  > *The time of the rains played its game with frogs for chessmen which, yellow and green in color … leapt up on the black field squares.*
  >
  > A story of the seventh-century Persian king Nushirvan (recorded by Firdawsi in the 11th-century *Shahnamah*, or *Book of Kings*) also supports an Indian origin of chess. An envoy came from India, the story says, “with elephants, parasols, and cavalry” and a chessboard, chessmen and a challenge: If Nushirvan’s courtiers could figure out the basic rules of the game, then unknown in Persia, the Indian king would gladly pay tribute to the Persian monarch. If they failed, however, Nushirvan would pay tribute to the Indian king. Nobles and priests labored without success for a week. Finally, after a day and a night of struggle, Nushirvan’s vizier deciphered and described the game:
  >
  > *The sage has invented a battlefield, in the midst of which the king takes up his station. To the left and right of him the army is disposed, the foot-soldiers occupying the rank in front. At the king’s side stands his sagacious counselor, advising him on the strategy to be carried out during the battle. In the two directions the elephants are posted with their faces turned toward the conflict. Beyond them are stationed the war-horses, on which are mounted two resourceful riders, and fighting alongside them to the left and right are turrets ready for the fray*
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2022-06-30. Score: 1
  
  Chaturanga was evolved 2000 yrs ago. Chaturanga is based on Ashtpaad board (8×8) which was again modified. Many modern variants including Modern Chess are supposedly derived from Chaturanga.
  
  Before Ashtpaad board, Dashpaad board existed on 10x10. If you go through the historical evidences, you will find these boards. On Dashpaad board, Shadyantra or Shatranjan was played. So, Dashpaad is the most ancient board, and Shad Yantra is the most oldest game.
  
  
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