Answers.Body: <p>Yes, we include all the players who participated in the event. If you finish second after WGM Ryjanova, you will receive a norm but not the title. If you finish fourth, you receive neither, regardless of who is on the podium. If the level of the field is high with a lot of tilted players participating, it often occurs that no 'special' title is awarded at the end of the tournament.</p>
  
  <p>For instance, the World Junior champion is awarded with a grandmaster title. This year, the <a href="http://wjcc2018.tsf.org.tr/en/component/turnuva/?task=fileview&amp;kid=975" rel="nofollow noreferrer">tournament</a> was won by Iran's Parham Maghsoodloo, who was already a GM. The first non-GM in the tournament, IM Sergei Lobanov, did not receive that title instead (he 'only' got a GM-norm for his third place).</p>
  
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Body: <p>I'm intending to play in the Oceania Zonal tournament (<a href="https://www.fide.com/images/stories/FIDE_Calendar_2018/2019_Oceania_Zonal_entry_form.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">brochure</a>) and direct titles will be awarded in this tournament.  I'm interested in the WIM title.  The <a href="http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=199&amp;view=article" rel="nofollow noreferrer">FIDE handbook</a> says in regards to the WIM title:</p>
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  <p><strong>Sub-Continental Individual</strong><br />
  1st equal – title;<br />
  Silver &amp; Bronze – norm</p>
  <p>1st equal = best 3 players after tiebreak;</p>
  </blockquote>
  <p>The current list of entries are <a href="http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?17258-2019-Oceania-Zonal-Guam-17-24-Feb-2019/page3" rel="nofollow noreferrer">here</a> and it includes WGM <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Ryjanova" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Julia Ryjanova</a> (<a href="https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4127714" rel="nofollow noreferrer">2308</a>) and IM <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Berezina" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Irina Berezina</a> (<a href="https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3201937" rel="nofollow noreferrer">2109</a>) who are much stronger than me.  Both players, however, already have titles higher than the WIM title, and I would like to know if they &quot;count&quot; for awarding direct titles.  Do I need to score at least as much as them?</p>
  <p><strong>Question</strong>: To earn a direct title for coming first in an official FIDE tournament, do we include players who already have that title?</p>
  <p>Layla Timergazi (<a href="https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4303733" rel="nofollow noreferrer">FIDE</a>) received the WIM title at the last Oceania Zonal, but she was outright first (<a href="http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/Vega2017/wwwOceaniaZonalWomens/crosstablescore.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">crosstable</a>).</p>
  
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Title: To earn a direct title for coming first in an official FIDE tournament, do we include players who already have that title?
ThreadText: # To earn a direct title for coming first in an official FIDE tournament, do we include players who already have that title?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2019-01-03)
  
  I'm intending to play in the Oceania Zonal tournament ([brochure](https://www.fide.com/images/stories/FIDE_Calendar_2018/2019_Oceania_Zonal_entry_form.pdf)) and direct titles will be awarded in this tournament. I'm interested in the WIM title. The [FIDE handbook](http://www.fide.com/fide/handbook.html?id=199&view=article) says in regards to the WIM title:
  
  > **Sub-Continental Individual**  
  > 1st equal – title;  
  > Silver & Bronze – norm
  >
  > 1st equal = best 3 players after tiebreak;
  
  The current list of entries are [here](http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?17258-2019-Oceania-Zonal-Guam-17-24-Feb-2019/page3) and it includes WGM [Julia Ryjanova](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Ryjanova) ([2308](https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4127714)) and IM [Irina Berezina](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irina_Berezina) ([2109](https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=3201937)) who are much stronger than me. Both players, however, already have titles higher than the WIM title, and I would like to know if they "count" for awarding direct titles. Do I need to score at least as much as them?
  
  **Question**: To earn a direct title for coming first in an official FIDE tournament, do we include players who already have that title?
  
  Layla Timergazi ([FIDE](https://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=4303733)) received the WIM title at the last Oceania Zonal, but she was outright first ([crosstable](http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/Vega2017/wwwOceaniaZonalWomens/crosstablescore.html)).
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2019-01-03. Score: 7 | Accepted answer
  
  Yes, we include all the players who participated in the event. If you finish second after WGM Ryjanova, you will receive a norm but not the title. If you finish fourth, you receive neither, regardless of who is on the podium. If the level of the field is high with a lot of tilted players participating, it often occurs that no 'special' title is awarded at the end of the tournament.
  
  For instance, the World Junior champion is awarded with a grandmaster title. This year, the [tournament](http://wjcc2018.tsf.org.tr/en/component/turnuva/?task=fileview&kid=975) was won by Iran's Parham Maghsoodloo, who was already a GM. The first non-GM in the tournament, IM Sergei Lobanov, did not receive that title instead (he 'only' got a GM-norm for his third place).
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: I think I answered a different question :)  
  
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