Answers.Body: <p>As the other answer gave correcr detailed lines, I only give a philosophical answer why it cannot be good. Slav is an aggressive opening on Black’s side. Black threatens, no matter how childish it looks, to capture on c4 and protect it with …b5 which is in turn already prepared for with c6 pawn.</p>
  <p>So, as white, you should ask at every single point: what if they take. As white you must have a compelling line, either as a form of pawn sacrifice or have a way to regain the pawn without much other concessions.</p>
  <p>That is why the answer to almost every off-beat whitw move in opening by white is …dxc4. Try for yourself to see. The main line e3 simply gives in to this pressure and accepts a bishop on c1 behind pawns but instead is ready to take on c4 with LSB. The other aggressive mainline Bg5 says: ok, go ahead and take my pawn but I have already established a pin on N and e4-e5 is next. Black has to risk a LOOOT to keep an extra pawn on c4.</p>
  <p>The line Bf4 neither preemptively defends c4, nor does it indirectly discourage …dxc4, unlike Bg5 does.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>The problem of Bf4 is that White has no great answer to ...dxc4 (with the threat of ...b5 defending the pawn).</p>
  <p>If White goes a4, now ...Nd5 forces you to move the bishop again as you don't really want to trade knights and fix Black's pawn structure.</p>
  <p>If you go e4 to stop the knight from going to d5, now you realize why the bishop would have been much better on g5. Think of a line like <strong>Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5</strong> (exploiting the pin on the knight). Now Black must go <strong>...h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5</strong> and White has a great position. But with the bishop on f4, Black can answer e4 with a direct ...Nd5.</p>
  <p>That being said this idea for Black isn't that easy to find. While on the Lichess masters database Bf4 is hardly ever played and Black has a great winrate, if you go to the all games database, Bf4 is played quite often (only less than Bg5 and e3) with an about average winrate. Black only found the right reply 8% of the time. If you play around with the rating filters you'll see that ...dxc4 gets increasingly rare as you remove the higher end of the ladder.</p>
  <p>So yeah I'd say it's cool to avoid Bf4 now that you know why it's bad but at beginner level there are definitely far worse mistakes and you should focus on those. I definitely don't think playing Bd2 is any better. I'd either go for Bg5 or one of the more solid plan based around e3 and an eventual e4 (prepared with a bishop on d3, a rook on e1, maybe a queen on e2 and so on).</p>
  <p>By playing around with move orders you can see that Black's response to Bf4 isn't really a problem with this specific move order, but it seems that the idea exists almost any time White puts a bishop on f4.</p>
  <p>As a final note, if you learn from the inaccuracies you play in your own games you'll soon know all the opening theory you need to know.</p>
  
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Body: <p>In a recent game I played 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 (Semi-slav), then as White played Bf4 because I didn't know any theory. Lichess analysis board says this is a non-trivial opening inaccuracy and is actually slightly better for Black after dxc4. What is worse about Bf4 compared to Bg5 or Bd2? Does it matter at beginner level?</p>
  <p>The same question applies to 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 (Slav) 4. Bf4, although the answer is probably different. Apologies if this is a very easy question with an obvious answer because I have not studied the Slav or Semi-slav whatsoever.</p>
  
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Comments.Text: i may be wrong but its probably after dxc4. Nd5 comes with a threat of attacking f4 and trying to exchange c3 knight. removing c3 knight by fixing the b pawn on c3 can be helpful when black is trying to defend c4 by playing b5
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Title: Slav / Semi-slav Bf4 is bad?
ThreadText: # Slav / Semi-slav Bf4 is bad?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2024-07-21)
  
  In a recent game I played 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 4. Nc3 e6 (Semi-slav), then as White played Bf4 because I didn't know any theory. Lichess analysis board says this is a non-trivial opening inaccuracy and is actually slightly better for Black after dxc4. What is worse about Bf4 compared to Bg5 or Bd2? Does it matter at beginner level?
  
  The same question applies to 1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6 3. Nf3 Nf6 (Slav) 4. Bf4, although the answer is probably different. Apologies if this is a very easy question with an obvious answer because I have not studied the Slav or Semi-slav whatsoever.
  
  **Tags:** opening, bishops, slav-defense, semi-slav
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: i may be wrong but its probably after dxc4. Nd5 comes with a threat of attacking f4 and trying to exchange c3 knight. removing c3 knight by fixing the b pawn on c3 can be helpful when black is trying to defend c4 by playing b5  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2024-07-23. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  As the other answer gave correcr detailed lines, I only give a philosophical answer why it cannot be good. Slav is an aggressive opening on Black’s side. Black threatens, no matter how childish it looks, to capture on c4 and protect it with …b5 which is in turn already prepared for with c6 pawn.
  
  So, as white, you should ask at every single point: what if they take. As white you must have a compelling line, either as a form of pawn sacrifice or have a way to regain the pawn without much other concessions.
  
  That is why the answer to almost every off-beat whitw move in opening by white is …dxc4. Try for yourself to see. The main line e3 simply gives in to this pressure and accepts a bishop on c1 behind pawns but instead is ready to take on c4 with LSB. The other aggressive mainline Bg5 says: ok, go ahead and take my pawn but I have already established a pin on N and e4-e5 is next. Black has to risk a LOOOT to keep an extra pawn on c4.
  
  The line Bf4 neither preemptively defends c4, nor does it indirectly discourage …dxc4, unlike Bg5 does.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2024-07-21. Score: 3
  
  The problem of Bf4 is that White has no great answer to ...dxc4 (with the threat of ...b5 defending the pawn).
  
  If White goes a4, now ...Nd5 forces you to move the bishop again as you don't really want to trade knights and fix Black's pawn structure.
  
  If you go e4 to stop the knight from going to d5, now you realize why the bishop would have been much better on g5. Think of a line like **Bg5 dxc4 e4 b5 e5** (exploiting the pin on the knight). Now Black must go **...h6 Bh4 g5 Nxg5 hxg5 Bxg5** and White has a great position. But with the bishop on f4, Black can answer e4 with a direct ...Nd5.
  
  That being said this idea for Black isn't that easy to find. While on the Lichess masters database Bf4 is hardly ever played and Black has a great winrate, if you go to the all games database, Bf4 is played quite often (only less than Bg5 and e3) with an about average winrate. Black only found the right reply 8% of the time. If you play around with the rating filters you'll see that ...dxc4 gets increasingly rare as you remove the higher end of the ladder.
  
  So yeah I'd say it's cool to avoid Bf4 now that you know why it's bad but at beginner level there are definitely far worse mistakes and you should focus on those. I definitely don't think playing Bd2 is any better. I'd either go for Bg5 or one of the more solid plan based around e3 and an eventual e4 (prepared with a bishop on d3, a rook on e1, maybe a queen on e2 and so on).
  
  By playing around with move orders you can see that Black's response to Bf4 isn't really a problem with this specific move order, but it seems that the idea exists almost any time White puts a bishop on f4.
  
  As a final note, if you learn from the inaccuracies you play in your own games you'll soon know all the opening theory you need to know.
  
  
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