Answers.Body: <p>That early in the game, it's a <em>bad idea</em>. White is now very behind in development and won't be able to take advantage of the misplaced black king.</p>
  
  <p>Consider this: black is ahead by the <code>♞f6</code> and the <code>♝c5</code>. White is ahead by the <code>♖a1</code> and <code>♙f2</code>. Which pieces are the most useful? Black's, definitely.</p>
  
  <p>I think this exchange is considered inferior in most cases, that is, it's a good idea when it leads to a powerful attack on the lone king, but no less. It'll often be easy for Black to capture the pawn back, with his “piece advantage”.</p>
  
  <p><em>I</em> do enjoy these exchanges, as they tend to unbalance the games (and I hate draws), but it's only a reasonable option if White's rooks can be quickly put to good use.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: @ap: Then fall back to the latter part of my answer : *inferior in most cases…*. It's not at all unplayable, and can give all sorts of funny results, but essentially, 2 pieces are better. (Thanks Daniel.)
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Answers.Body: <p>An interesting line after the Sozin attack (or Fischer attack) 6.Bc4 in the Scheveningen has gained popularity in the last years, and presents a similar concept:</p>
  
  <pre><code>[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
  1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Bc4 Be7 7. Bb3 O-O 8. Be3 Nbd7 9. Bxe6 fxe6 10. Nxe6 Qa5 11. Nxf8 Bxf8
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  <p>The sacrifice of two smaller pieces for a Rook and two pawns is not uncommon and the position reached after the exchange proposed here is considered "dynamically balanced"</p>
  
  <p>The mere "pawn value" is not enough to determine which side is better, one has to take into consideration the positional (relative) value of the remaining pieces.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: Exactly. In your example white better developed after castle + pawn d6 is too weak, black bishops are bad and black rook needs at least three tempos to get out.
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Answers.Body: <p>A knight and bishop together are worth SEVEN points, not six, at least in early part of the game because of the synergies. (Or, if you will three and half for the minor pieces).</p>
  <p>Also, to make this sequence work, the knight and bishop make more moves, so White is actually sacrificing MOVES. Note that Black has two pieces developed, White none.</p>
  <p>World Champion JR Capablanca once let E Canal exchange a rook and pawn for a bishop and knight and still won the endgame. But this was because the exchange of queens was forced as  a result, increasing the power of Black's rook.</p>
  <p>And then he was Capablanca.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>This whole sequence is bad for white.  The minor pieces are stronger at such an early stage of the game.  White has virtually no development, while black now has more development and tempo.  Almost any player should value 2 pieces over 1 rook.  Just continue developing instead of the overly optimistic <code>Ng5</code>.</p>
  
  <p>This may be acceptable in the <code>dilworth attack</code> or <code>Open Ruy Lopez</code> where black sacrifices 2 pieces for a <code>rook</code> on <code>f2</code></p>
  
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Answers.Text: could't agree more, the exchange proposed is only a benefit for black.
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Answers.Text: Yes, a good question to ask is "what new pieces can I attack with?" White doesn't have any.
  
  Black can just move back to f7 and slide his rook over on completing development, and that's still using fewer moves than White did with his KB and knight.
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Body: <p>The opening shown here is quite common. Is it generally a good or a bad idea to give up a kKnight and a bishop for the castled Rook and the f-pawn? In terms of their &quot;standard&quot; value, both pairs are generally considered as being worth 6 points.</p>
  <pre><code>[FEN &quot;rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1&quot;]
  
  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Ng5 O-O 5.Nxf7 Rxf7 6.Bxf7+ Kxf7 
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Title: Giving up a knight and bishop for castled rook and pawn
ThreadText: # Giving up a knight and bishop for castled rook and pawn
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2012-12-05)
  
  The opening shown here is quite common. Is it generally a good or a bad idea to give up a kKnight and a bishop for the castled Rook and the f-pawn? In terms of their "standard" value, both pairs are generally considered as being worth 6 points.
  [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
  1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.Ng5 O-O 5.Nxf7 Rxf7 6.Bxf7+ Kxf7
  
  **Tags:** opening, strategy, tactics
  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_5 on 2012-12-05. Score: 13 | Accepted answer
  
  This whole sequence is bad for white. The minor pieces are stronger at such an early stage of the game. White has virtually no development, while black now has more development and tempo. Almost any player should value 2 pieces over 1 rook. Just continue developing instead of the overly optimistic `Ng5`.
  
  This may be acceptable in the `dilworth attack` or `Open Ruy Lopez` where black sacrifices 2 pieces for a `rook` on `f2`
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: could't agree more, the exchange proposed is only a benefit for black.  
  > **username_6**: Yes, a good question to ask is "what new pieces can I attack with?" White doesn't have any.  Black can just move back to f7 and slide his rook over on completing development, and that's still using fewer moves than White did with his KB and knight.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2012-12-05. Score: 8
  
  That early in the game, it's a *bad idea*. White is now very behind in development and won't be able to take advantage of the misplaced black king.
  
  Consider this: black is ahead by the `♞f6` and the `♝c5`. White is ahead by the `♖a1` and `♙f2`. Which pieces are the most useful? Black's, definitely.
  
  I think this exchange is considered inferior in most cases, that is, it's a good idea when it leads to a powerful attack on the lone king, but no less. It'll often be easy for Black to capture the pawn back, with his “piece advantage”.
  
  *I* do enjoy these exchanges, as they tend to unbalance the games (and I hate draws), but it's only a reasonable option if White's rooks can be quickly put to good use.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_0**: Thanks. How about if White does it later in the game, after he has castled and developed his Queen side pieces?  
  > **username_1**: @ap: Then fall back to the latter part of my answer : *inferior in most cases…*. It's not at all unplayable, and can give all sorts of funny results, but essentially, 2 pieces are better. (Thanks Daniel.)  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2012-12-05. Score: 6
  
  An interesting line after the Sozin attack (or Fischer attack) 6.Bc4 in the Scheveningen has gained popularity in the last years, and presents a similar concept:
  [FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
  
  1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e6 6. Bc4 Be7 7. Bb3 O-O 8. Be3 Nbd7 9. Bxe6 fxe6 10. Nxe6 Qa5 11. Nxf8 Bxf8
  
  The sacrifice of two smaller pieces for a Rook and two pawns is not uncommon and the position reached after the exchange proposed here is considered "dynamically balanced"
  The mere "pawn value" is not enough to determine which side is better, one has to take into consideration the positional (relative) value of the remaining pieces.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_3**: Exactly. In your example white better developed after castle + pawn d6 is too weak, black bishops are bad and black rook needs at least three tempos to get out.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2013-01-28. Score: 1
  
  A knight and bishop together are worth SEVEN points, not six, at least in early part of the game because of the synergies. (Or, if you will three and half for the minor pieces).
  
  Also, to make this sequence work, the knight and bishop make more moves, so White is actually sacrificing MOVES. Note that Black has two pieces developed, White none.
  
  World Champion JR Capablanca once let E Canal exchange a rook and pawn for a bishop and knight and still won the endgame. But this was because the exchange of queens was forced as a result, increasing the power of Black's rook.
  
  And then he was Capablanca.
  
  
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