Answers.Body: <p>You're right that players who choose 1...c6 must be fine with the Caro-Kann, which is one reason why it's not that popular. However, there are some people who are fine with the Caro-Kann, and so the move gets played occasionally. In the case of 2.c4, there aren't many benefits I can see for Black. He has the option of playing a la King's Indian with ...Nf6, ...d6, etc, but it wasn't necessary to start with 1...c6 to do this.</p>
  
  <p>There may be some minor benefits to 1...c6, but they're not obvious to me. This is why the move isn't played often.</p>
  
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Answers.Text: +1 It would certainly limit Black's options on the King's Indian since c6 might be rendered useless in lines that white tries to avoid d5, or at least postpone it, and just leave him with less space. For the record, other than the one answer I took issue with, I think your answers are excellent, and I upvoted a lot of them while getting that electorate gold badge recently.
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Answers.Text: @PhishMaster Yes, playing ...c6 is optional in most lines and could be played later. After thinking about what you said for that question, I can see your side of things more clearly. Two answers getting to the same general point(s) don't do much to help the community (if the explanations are also similar), though I can assure you I'd never copy someone else's work.
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Answers.Text: No problem... ancient history already. Still, I think you also explain well, and have an excellent understanding,  and it shows.
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Answers.Body: <p>I would add one little thing to Inertial Ignorance's answer: The reason it is so unpopular is probably that the Caro seems more passive than the Slav, and I say this as a long-time Caro player. E4 openings, being more open games, give white more chance to pressure black is what I mean. Still why let your opponent dictate what line you will play when you can be the one to choose?</p>
  
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Answers.Text: That's a good point - even if you played both, you'd have to prefer playing the Caro at least as much as the Slav to give White the option of 2.e4. And if White plays 2.c4, it's not like you gain anything really.
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Answers.Text: Right, otherwise you are also heading into an area that you do not have so much experience, which would not make sense.
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Answers.Text: ..c6 may be appealing to folks looking for a single response to d4, e4, Nf3, etc.  But I don't think it works as a universal system as caro and  slav usually lead to different structures.
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Answers.Body: <h2>At low/medium level</h2>
  
  <p><strong>Convenience</strong>. </p>
  
  <p>At sub-master level, most people don't have a broad opening repertoire, they will always play one specific defense against 1. e4 and one against 1. d4. Most of them will also try to reduce the amount of theory to learn. </p>
  
  <p>Some will pick both the Caro-Kann and the Slav as these two defenses for some transpositional synergy. Then the idea behind 1...c6 is that if you <em>always</em> play that move anyways, either on move 1 or move 2, you might as well always play it at move 1, since you are fine with either 2. c4 or 2. e4. By not occupying d5, you are actually in a way daring White to play one of these moves - instead of some weird Queen's Pawn system that you are not as comfortable with. </p>
  
  <h2>At top level</h2>
  
  <p><strong>To throw off your opponent.</strong></p>
  
  <p>At GM level, giving away your intentions to play only very specific openings can be seen as close to a mistake - you allow your opponent to freely choose the opening they have prepared better, which on average will probably not help you. But it's a strong psychological message: "I am confident I can beat you anyways", which can work in its own completely different ways. Sometimes, people like Carlsen even open their game with strange things as 1. Na3 and still win - 1...c6 can be seen as something between this and a "normal" opening.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Of course you must be ready to play the Caro-Kann if you answer 1. d4 with 1. ... c6. But that is a sound opening - so why not, if you already play it against 1. e4? You will probably be better prepared for the Caro-Kann than your opponent, who after all started with 1. d4. If I was a d4 player, I surely would play 2. c4, hoping to enter the Slav. 
  In that case, blacks most popular choice is 1. d5, but other moves are also possible. Black might play for a setup with d6, g6, Bg7, with or without Nf6.</p>
  
  <p>There is also the interesting Malinoise defence, 1. d4 c6 2. c4 b5!?, which has been played by GM Rogers from Australia and IM Jadoul from Belgium. This should at least be a nice surprise weapon.</p>
  
  <p>Playing 1. ... c6 might also be an idea against London system players, e.g. 1. d4 c6 2. Nf3 Qc7!? has been played a few times - not the best of course, but at least it is a nasty surprise for any white player who planned 3. Bf4. Might be worth a try against certain opponents (especially among London system players, there are some who don't know how to play without their beloved Bf4)
  The accelerated London system 1. d4 c6 2. Bf4 could be answered with 2. ... Qb6!?, when white has to decide whether or not to sacrifice the pawn on b2.</p>
  
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Body: <p>I have faced <code>1...c6</code> as a reply to my <code>1.d4</code> quite a few times recently, and this makes me wonder why people play this as oppose to <code>1...d5</code>.</p>
  
  <p>In addition to playing the Slav with <code>2.c4</code>, I have an option of playing the Caro-Kann with <code>2.e4</code>, so I have an extra option and black has nothing in return that I can see.</p>
  
  <p><code>1...c6</code> happens at top level, but fairly rarely (9th most popular response, behind <code>1...Nc6</code> according to lichess database).</p>
  
  <p>Why do some players choose this move order?</p>
  
Tags: <opening><caro-kann><slav-defense>
Title: What does black achieve with 1.d4 c6?
ThreadText: # What does black achieve with 1.d4 c6?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2020-01-06)
  
  I have faced `1...c6` as a reply to my `1.d4` quite a few times recently, and this makes me wonder why people play this as oppose to `1...d5`.
  
  In addition to playing the Slav with `2.c4`, I have an option of playing the Caro-Kann with `2.e4`, so I have an extra option and black has nothing in return that I can see.
  
  `1...c6` happens at top level, but fairly rarely (9th most popular response, behind `1...Nc6` according to lichess database).
  
  Why do some players choose this move order?
  
  **Tags:** opening, caro-kann, slav-defense
  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_6 on 2020-01-06. Score: 5 | Accepted answer
  
  Of course you must be ready to play the Caro-Kann if you answer 1. d4 with 1. ... c6. But that is a sound opening - so why not, if you already play it against 1. e4? You will probably be better prepared for the Caro-Kann than your opponent, who after all started with 1. d4. If I was a d4 player, I surely would play 2. c4, hoping to enter the Slav.
  In that case, blacks most popular choice is 1. d5, but other moves are also possible. Black might play for a setup with d6, g6, Bg7, with or without Nf6.
  
  There is also the interesting Malinoise defence, 1. d4 c6 2. c4 b5!?, which has been played by GM Rogers from Australia and IM Jadoul from Belgium. This should at least be a nice surprise weapon.
  
  Playing 1. ... c6 might also be an idea against London system players, e.g. 1. d4 c6 2. Nf3 Qc7!? has been played a few times - not the best of course, but at least it is a nasty surprise for any white player who planned 3. Bf4. Might be worth a try against certain opponents (especially among London system players, there are some who don't know how to play without their beloved Bf4)
  The accelerated London system 1. d4 c6 2. Bf4 could be answered with 2. ... Qb6!?, when white has to decide whether or not to sacrifice the pawn on b2.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2020-01-06. Score: 7
  
  You're right that players who choose 1...c6 must be fine with the Caro-Kann, which is one reason why it's not that popular. However, there are some people who are fine with the Caro-Kann, and so the move gets played occasionally. In the case of 2.c4, there aren't many benefits I can see for Black. He has the option of playing a la King's Indian with ...Nf6, ...d6, etc, but it wasn't necessary to start with 1...c6 to do this.
  
  There may be some minor benefits to 1...c6, but they're not obvious to me. This is why the move isn't played often.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_2**: +1 It would certainly limit Black's options on the King's Indian since c6 might be rendered useless in lines that white tries to avoid d5, or at least postpone it, and just leave him with less space. For the record, other than the one answer I took issue with, I think your answers are excellent, and I upvoted a lot of them while getting that electorate gold badge recently.  
  > **username_1**: @username_2 Yes, playing ...c6 is optional in most lines and could be played later. After thinking about what you said for that question, I can see your side of things more clearly. Two answers getting to the same general point(s) don't do much to help the community (if the explanations are also similar), though I can assure you I'd never copy someone else's work.  
  > **username_2**: No problem... ancient history already. Still, I think you also explain well, and have an excellent understanding,  and it shows.  
  > **username_1**: @username_2 Same to you, your answers have done a lot to benefit the SE chess community.  
  > **username_3**: you two are a true boon to stack.chess  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2020-01-06. Score: 6
  
  I would add one little thing to username_1's answer: The reason it is so unpopular is probably that the Caro seems more passive than the Slav, and I say this as a long-time Caro player. E4 openings, being more open games, give white more chance to pressure black is what I mean. Still why let your opponent dictate what line you will play when you can be the one to choose?
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: That's a good point - even if you played both, you'd have to prefer playing the Caro at least as much as the Slav to give White the option of 2.e4. And if White plays 2.c4, it's not like you gain anything really.  
  > **username_2**: Right, otherwise you are also heading into an area that you do not have so much experience, which would not make sense.  
  > **username_4**: ..c6 may be appealing to folks looking for a single response to d4, e4, Nf3, etc.  But I don't think it works as a universal system as caro and  slav usually lead to different structures.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2020-01-06. Score: 3
  
  ## At low/medium level
  
  **Convenience**.
  
  At sub-master level, most people don't have a broad opening repertoire, they will always play one specific defense against 1. e4 and one against 1. d4. Most of them will also try to reduce the amount of theory to learn.
  
  Some will pick both the Caro-Kann and the Slav as these two defenses for some transpositional synergy. Then the idea behind 1...c6 is that if you *always* play that move anyways, either on move 1 or move 2, you might as well always play it at move 1, since you are fine with either 2. c4 or 2. e4. By not occupying d5, you are actually in a way daring White to play one of these moves - instead of some weird Queen's Pawn system that you are not as comfortable with.
  
  ## At top level
  
  **To throw off your opponent.**
  
  At GM level, giving away your intentions to play only very specific openings can be seen as close to a mistake - you allow your opponent to freely choose the opening they have prepared better, which on average will probably not help you. But it's a strong psychological message: "I am confident I can beat you anyways", which can work in its own completely different ways. Sometimes, people like Carlsen even open their game with strange things as 1. Na3 and still win - 1...c6 can be seen as something between this and a "normal" opening.
  
  
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