Answers.Body: <p>Anyway you cannot prevent someone avoiding the Grunfeld by move order. For instance, 1.c4, Nf6; 2. Nc3, g6; 3.e4, and it's done with the Grunfeld. The trick is it is better to play Grunfeld <em>and</em> KID (Bologan's KID book has a chapter devoted to this, i think) complementarily, even against the fianchetto variation. Quality chess books by Avrukh on the grunfeld are excellent, so are also The safest grunfeld and in a lesser measure Dembo's (but not bad at all). I think there is no other way out. You could also listen to Svidler's lectures on chess24, they are excellent.  </p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Have you checked out Mikahil Marin's book on the Grunfeld:
  <a href="http://amzn.to/1MZsizp" rel="nofollow">Grandmaster Repertoire 8: The Grunfeld Defence</a></p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>I am a d4/c4 player and I do love "disappointing" my opponents who play grunfeld. I go for d4-e3 pawn structure and mess up the order of moves. This should theoretically be inferior to grabbing the centre but it just throws opponents off prep. Anyways, all I can advice you to do is to play the way I find the most annoying and it consists of throwing c5 in some lines. </p>
  
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Body: <p>I'm starting to play against stronger competition who know how to play their openings, so I'm trying to figure out my repertoire. I have recently decided to stick to playing the Grunfeld against 1.d4, and prepared some responses against those who avoid playing an early c4 and go for the Tromp/London/Barry etc.</p>
  
  <p>However I'm a bit stuck when it comes to playing against openings where White avoids an early d4, and goes for a Nf3/g3/Bg2/0-0 and c4 setup before going d4, maybe even avoiding d4 altogether and going for a b3 hypermodern approach.</p>
  
  <p>Since Grunfeld is all about letting White achieve a broad center and attacking it from afar, it feels awkward when White refuses to take the center immediately. </p>
  
  <p>I can look up some specific responses, such as going 1.c4 e5 and aiming for a Reversed Dragon, but I'd rather have a more consistent repertoire that at least involves a Kingside fianchetto, so that at least there is a chance that the game might transpose back into a Grunfeld.</p>
  
  <p>Of course if this means that I might get move-ordered into a bad position then I'll play something else, but I find it hard to believe a Kingside fianchetto can ever really be bad against the kind of hypermodern White opening I described.</p>
  
  <p>Any experienced Grunfeld players want to chime in on this?</p>
  
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Comments.Text: What do you play after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.g3 0-0 5.Bg2? 5....d5 or 5....c6 (or something else)? Against 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.0-0 0-0 5.c4, you can play 5....d5 or 5....c6, depending on your repertoire. Or is there a line you don't like for black?
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Comments.Text: @ReasonableMoves You wan't to stick with a fianchetto system right? You don't want to memorize lots of variations arose from e4 e5, and d4 d5 etc. Plus fianchetto feels a bit more stable and solid. Am I right?
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Title: A Consistent Grunfeld Repertoire
ThreadText: # A Consistent Grunfeld Repertoire
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2015-10-23)
  
  I'm starting to play against stronger competition who know how to play their openings, so I'm trying to figure out my repertoire. I have recently decided to stick to playing the Grunfeld against 1.d4, and prepared some responses against those who avoid playing an early c4 and go for the Tromp/London/Barry etc.
  
  However I'm a bit stuck when it comes to playing against openings where White avoids an early d4, and goes for a Nf3/g3/Bg2/0-0 and c4 setup before going d4, maybe even avoiding d4 altogether and going for a b3 hypermodern approach.
  
  Since Grunfeld is all about letting White achieve a broad center and attacking it from afar, it feels awkward when White refuses to take the center immediately.
  
  I can look up some specific responses, such as going 1.c4 e5 and aiming for a Reversed Dragon, but I'd rather have a more consistent repertoire that at least involves a Kingside fianchetto, so that at least there is a chance that the game might transpose back into a Grunfeld.
  
  Of course if this means that I might get move-ordered into a bad position then I'll play something else, but I find it hard to believe a Kingside fianchetto can ever really be bad against the kind of hypermodern White opening I described.
  
  Any experienced Grunfeld players want to chime in on this?
  
  **Tags:** opening, grunfeld-defense
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_1**: What do you play after 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.Nf3 Bg7 4.g3 0-0 5.Bg2? 5....d5 or 5....c6 (or something else)? Against 1.Nf3 Nf6 2.g3 g6 3.Bg2 Bg7 4.0-0 0-0 5.c4, you can play 5....d5 or 5....c6, depending on your repertoire. Or is there a line you don't like for black?  
  > **username_2**: @ReasonableMoves You wan't to stick with a fianchetto system right? You don't want to memorize lots of variations arose from e4 e5, and d4 d5 etc. Plus fianchetto feels a bit more stable and solid. Am I right?  
  
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  ### Answer by username_3 on 2016-04-21. Score: 4
  
  Anyway you cannot prevent someone avoiding the Grunfeld by move order. For instance, 1.c4, Nf6; 2. Nc3, g6; 3.e4, and it's done with the Grunfeld. The trick is it is better to play Grunfeld *and* KID (Bologan's KID book has a chapter devoted to this, i think) complementarily, even against the fianchetto variation. Quality chess books by Avrukh on the grunfeld are excellent, so are also The safest grunfeld and in a lesser measure Dembo's (but not bad at all). I think there is no other way out. You could also listen to Svidler's lectures on chess24, they are excellent.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2016-01-09. Score: 2
  
  Have you checked out Mikahil Marin's book on the Grunfeld:
  [Grandmaster Repertoire 8: The Grunfeld Defence](http://amzn.to/1MZsizp)
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_5 on 2016-01-09. Score: 1
  
  I am a d4/c4 player and I do love "disappointing" my opponents who play grunfeld. I go for d4-e3 pawn structure and mess up the order of moves. This should theoretically be inferior to grabbing the centre but it just throws opponents off prep. Anyways, all I can advice you to do is to play the way I find the most annoying and it consists of throwing c5 in some lines.
  
  
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