Answers.Body: <p>I think most of the inflation-deflation debate is an excuse by formerly good players who have worsened or been surpassed by younger ones over time. I don't see any reason to believe that current 2650 ELO players are weaker than their predecessors.</p>
  
  <p>On the lower part of the spectrum, though, you may have a point, as lower and lower ratings get allowed into the FIDE lists, but, if anything, this should create inflation, as 1400-ish rated players now get rating for defeating 1100s, who a few years ago would've been unrated.</p>
  
  <p>In any case, I don't really know if a definite answer is possible</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>Elo inflation occurs when the player base increases which allows the top players to take more points from the bottom players. The top ratings in a rating system are highly dependent on the size of the player pool. If there were only 10 rated chess players, even magnus wouldn't be much higher than around 1800 with a default rating of 1200.</p>
  
  <p>Ratings are used to compare people in the same pool, and comparing ratings from two different time periods are strictly different pools. In terms of pure ranking, a 2650 10 years ago would be higher up than a 2650 now, but it does not say anything about what would happen if they played each other. It could be the case that everybody got significantly better at chess in 10 years, so the 2650 player now would beat the 2650 10 years ago. It could also be the case that people didn't improve, so the 2650 player before would beat the 2650 player now.</p>
  
  <p>For in the middle ratings, there's barely any rating inflation to begin with. 1500 is still higher than the default 1200 so it would be inflated over time. However it's nowhere near as exaggerated at the end of the ratings pools. Deflation only occurs on ratings below the default rating.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>When two established players play a rated game there is a transfer of rating points from the loser to the winner.  Elo deflation occurs when young players gain strength and rating points from other players and then lose interest and stop organised play. They gained rating points from the pool of established players and then departed. Eventually they drift off the ratings lists and the rating points go away.</p>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>These questions of rating inflation/deflation over time are very tricky to answer objectively. It is very easy to find mid-range players who will say something like "My rating today is about 200 points lower than it was 10 years ago but I'm just as strong if not stronger [spot the wishful thinking] therefore there must have been rating deflation at my level during this period". Full disclosure: I'm one of those mid range players :-)</p>
  
  <p>To get more objective views (I think definitive answers are another, more complicated, matter) you have to look at how many players were above a given level today and 10 years ago and perhaps also the percentage of players who were above a given level today and 10 years ago.</p>
  
  <p>That data is available via the FIDE rating website where it is possible to download <a href="https://ratings.fide.com/download.phtml" rel="nofollow noreferrer">rating data</a> going back to 2001.</p>
  
  <p>Here are the figures from the January 2019 and January 2009 lists:</p>
  
  <p><strong>January 2019</strong><br>
  Players rated above 2650 = 109 (0.0335%)<br>
  Players rated above 2100 = 40940 (12.6%)<br>
  Players rated above 1500 = 224873 (69.1%)<br>
  Total rated players = 325306   </p>
  
  <p><strong>January 2009</strong><br>
  Players rated above 2650 = 75 (0.0756%)<br>
  Players rated above 2100 = 40044 (40.35%)<br>
  Players rated above 1500 = 98669 (99.4%)<br>
  Total rated players = 99232   </p>
  
  <p>Interpreting these figures is difficult, particularly the percentage ones. </p>
  
  <p>If you just look at absolute values then there are a lot more players graded over 2650 today than 10 years ago and the same for players rated over 1500. This suggests rating inflation at both levels. I've also included values for players over 2100 because, intriguingly, these are almost unchanged.</p>
  
  <p>If you look at percentage values then a much smaller percentage of players are rated over 2650 today than 10 years ago and the same for players rated over 1500. This would suggest  a great deal of rating deflation at both 1500 and 2650 levels. The deflation is highest, however, at the 2100 level (out of the three levels I have looked at).</p>
  
  <p>However, I think the percentage values are problematic. First if you look at the 1500 level 10 years ago there are only 563 players with ratings &lt;= 1500. I suspect that this is because the only FIDE rated tournaments for players below 1500 were tournaments like continental and world junior tournaments going down to levels as low as 1001. </p>
  
  <p>By the way, the first player I can find to have had a rating just above 1500 was the Polish player Sebastian Kobus. His <a href="https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1140671" rel="nofollow noreferrer">first rating was 1500</a> in January 2006. For 1000 it was Indian player Hakeem Nikhil with a <a href="https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=35036645" rel="nofollow noreferrer">rating of 1003</a> in September 2012. The first sub 1300 player was French player Michel Khechab with a <a href="https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=639443" rel="nofollow noreferrer">rating of 1260 in September 2009</a>.</p>
  
  <p>There were, of course, a lot of players playing tournament chess whose strength was below 1500 but they were all playing nationally graded chess because there simply were no FIDE rated tournaments for players that weak outside the big FIDE championship tournaments. Those figures show that today over 30% of players have a FIDE rating of 1500 or below compared to just 0.6% 10 years ago.</p>
  
  <p><em>My tentative conclusion is that there has been some rating <strong>inflation</strong> at the level of 2650 and above because there has been a 45% increase in the number of players rated over 2650 which I think cannot be accounted for by increasing number of chess players.</em> </p>
  
  <p><em>I think there has been a lot of <strong>deflation</strong> in higher mid-ranges (typified by the 2100 figures) because there has been some increase in chess playing numbers which is not reflected in higher numbers at these levels.</em> </p>
  
  <p><em>At the lower mid-range (1500) I think the data is unreliable 10 years ago due to the very small number of tournaments open to players of these levels and so it isn't possible to draw any conclusions about this level.</em> </p>
  
  <p>Regarding the data for players at the 2100 and 2650 levels I think this is reliable because I think FIDE rated tournaments were capturing most players at these levels.</p>
  
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Body: <p>I've heard often about Elo Inflation among the top chess players, meaning that a player rated 2650 Elo nowadays is weaker compared to a player rated 2650 Elo player 10 years ago.
  I'm curious if there's an opposite phenomenon on the lower end of the Elo bell curve:</p>
  
  <p>Is a 1500 Elo rated player nowadays stronger compared to a 1500 Elo rated player 10 years ago?</p>
  
  <p>I have this 'feeling' based on my personal experience but no data to back it up.</p>
  
  <p>Update: I'm referring to FIDE Elo ratings.</p>
  
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Title: Is there a low-end ELO Deflation?
ThreadText: # Is there a low-end ELO Deflation?
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2019-04-24)
  
  I've heard often about Elo Inflation among the top chess players, meaning that a player rated 2650 Elo nowadays is weaker compared to a player rated 2650 Elo player 10 years ago.
  I'm curious if there's an opposite phenomenon on the lower end of the Elo bell curve:
  
  Is a 1500 Elo rated player nowadays stronger compared to a 1500 Elo rated player 10 years ago?
  
  I have this 'feeling' based on my personal experience but no data to back it up.
  
  Update: I'm referring to FIDE Elo ratings.
  
  **Tags:** elo, statistics
  
  
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  ## 4 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_5 on 2019-04-25. Score: 6 | Accepted answer
  
  These questions of rating inflation/deflation over time are very tricky to answer objectively. It is very easy to find mid-range players who will say something like "My rating today is about 200 points lower than it was 10 years ago but I'm just as strong if not stronger [spot the wishful thinking] therefore there must have been rating deflation at my level during this period". Full disclosure: I'm one of those mid range players :-)
  
  To get more objective views (I think definitive answers are another, more complicated, matter) you have to look at how many players were above a given level today and 10 years ago and perhaps also the percentage of players who were above a given level today and 10 years ago.
  
  That data is available via the FIDE rating website where it is possible to download [rating data](https://ratings.fide.com/download.phtml) going back to 2001.
  
  Here are the figures from the January 2019 and January 2009 lists:
  
  **January 2019**  
  Players rated above 2650 = 109 (0.0335%)  
  Players rated above 2100 = 40940 (12.6%)  
  Players rated above 1500 = 224873 (69.1%)  
  Total rated players = 325306
  
  **January 2009**  
  Players rated above 2650 = 75 (0.0756%)  
  Players rated above 2100 = 40044 (40.35%)  
  Players rated above 1500 = 98669 (99.4%)  
  Total rated players = 99232
  
  Interpreting these figures is difficult, particularly the percentage ones.
  
  If you just look at absolute values then there are a lot more players graded over 2650 today than 10 years ago and the same for players rated over 1500. This suggests rating inflation at both levels. I've also included values for players over 2100 because, intriguingly, these are almost unchanged.
  
  If you look at percentage values then a much smaller percentage of players are rated over 2650 today than 10 years ago and the same for players rated over 1500. This would suggest a great deal of rating deflation at both 1500 and 2650 levels. The deflation is highest, however, at the 2100 level (out of the three levels I have looked at).
  
  However, I think the percentage values are problematic. First if you look at the 1500 level 10 years ago there are only 563 players with ratings <= 1500. I suspect that this is because the only FIDE rated tournaments for players below 1500 were tournaments like continental and world junior tournaments going down to levels as low as 1001.
  
  By the way, the first player I can find to have had a rating just above 1500 was the Polish player Sebastian Kobus. His [first rating was 1500](https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=1140671) in January 2006. For 1000 it was Indian player Hakeem Nikhil with a [rating of 1003](https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=35036645) in September 2012. The first sub 1300 player was French player Michel Khechab with a [rating of 1260 in September 2009](https://ratings.fide.com/id.phtml?event=639443).
  
  There were, of course, a lot of players playing tournament chess whose strength was below 1500 but they were all playing nationally graded chess because there simply were no FIDE rated tournaments for players that weak outside the big FIDE championship tournaments. Those figures show that today over 30% of players have a FIDE rating of 1500 or below compared to just 0.6% 10 years ago.
  
  *My tentative conclusion is that there has been some rating **inflation** at the level of 2650 and above because there has been a 45% increase in the number of players rated over 2650 which I think cannot be accounted for by increasing number of chess players.*
  
  *I think there has been a lot of **deflation** in higher mid-ranges (typified by the 2100 figures) because there has been some increase in chess playing numbers which is not reflected in higher numbers at these levels.*
  
  *At the lower mid-range (1500) I think the data is unreliable 10 years ago due to the very small number of tournaments open to players of these levels and so it isn't possible to draw any conclusions about this level.*
  
  Regarding the data for players at the 2100 and 2650 levels I think this is reliable because I think FIDE rated tournaments were capturing most players at these levels.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_1 on 2019-04-24. Score: 4
  
  I think most of the inflation-deflation debate is an excuse by formerly good players who have worsened or been surpassed by younger ones over time. I don't see any reason to believe that current 2650 ELO players are weaker than their predecessors.
  
  On the lower part of the spectrum, though, you may have a point, as lower and lower ratings get allowed into the FIDE lists, but, if anything, this should create inflation, as 1400-ish rated players now get rating for defeating 1100s, who a few years ago would've been unrated.
  
  In any case, I don't really know if a definite answer is possible
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2019-04-24. Score: 3
  
  Elo inflation occurs when the player base increases which allows the top players to take more points from the bottom players. The top ratings in a rating system are highly dependent on the size of the player pool. If there were only 10 rated chess players, even magnus wouldn't be much higher than around 1800 with a default rating of 1200.
  
  Ratings are used to compare people in the same pool, and comparing ratings from two different time periods are strictly different pools. In terms of pure ranking, a 2650 10 years ago would be higher up than a 2650 now, but it does not say anything about what would happen if they played each other. It could be the case that everybody got significantly better at chess in 10 years, so the 2650 player now would beat the 2650 10 years ago. It could also be the case that people didn't improve, so the 2650 player before would beat the 2650 player now.
  
  For in the middle ratings, there's barely any rating inflation to begin with. 1500 is still higher than the default 1200 so it would be inflated over time. However it's nowhere near as exaggerated at the end of the ratings pools. Deflation only occurs on ratings below the default rating.
  
  > **Comments:**
  > **username_3**: FIDE does not have a "default rating" that everyone starts at.  
  
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  ### Answer by username_4 on 2019-09-11. Score: 0
  
  When two established players play a rated game there is a transfer of rating points from the loser to the winner. Elo deflation occurs when young players gain strength and rating points from other players and then lose interest and stop organised play. They gained rating points from the pool of established players and then departed. Eventually they drift off the ratings lists and the rating points go away.
  
  
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