Answers.Body: <p>Let me try to cover your bullet points:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>After 7...Rb8, ...Bg4 idea:  First I don't see the connection of Bg4 with pushing your f-pawn.  Your pawns are on dark squares so trading your light square bishop is not a great idea either.  How about 8...h6 with the idea of 9...Be6 and 10...d5.</li>
  <li>After 10...f5 11.h3 I am losing the bishop pair:  You didn't properly calculate your Bg4 idea.  What did you think was going to happen with Bg4?</li>
  <li>14...g5!?: this is fine.  White floundered the last few moves so attacking is good.</li>
  <li>A 17...g4:  I would strongly consider 17...e4!  You have 2 knights and no light square bishop so closing the center with a space gain and tempo looks correct.  You can follow with c6, or h5 and g4.</li>
  <li>Instead of 20...Qf5, should I consider 20...d5?  I would definitely calculate d5, but why open the whole board for the battle when you have space by his king.  I like throwing pieces to the king-side.</li>
  <li>Maybe  21...Rbe8:  21...exd4 is where you start going wrong with the idea of liquidating.  Why do you want to liquidate?  At this point you should be asking yourself "What does White want to do?"  The answer is liquidate! Nc3 is probably his next move. I'd be look at ...Bh4 here. </li>
  <li>compelled to play 35...b6: First, lets go back to move 26 where you should have played 26...Kf7 and have no worries.  You can't let him double rooks on the open file for free.  Of course 35...b6 is horrible.</li>
  </ul>
  
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Answers.Body: <p>About the rook endgame:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li><p>At move 33, the game is not over but it should lead to a draw with best play.</p></li>
  <li><p>You played it very passively, which is not what rooks are good at. A psychological trap must have played a role here: "I feel it must be a draw, so I will just try to hold it". Very often rook endgames are drawish because you pick your opponent's pawns while he picks yours, not because you just sit and wait. </p></li>
  <li><p>Instead of 33...Rf6 (what for ?), Kg7-g6-g5 looks natural.</p></li>
  <li><p>35...b6 is not mandatory (sure, in a pawn endgame you would have to be careful about a c5-b6 break), but it is not a mistake either. In the game, White exploited the weakness on a7, but you could have avoided that.</p></li>
  <li><p>After the pawn exchange on f3, pawn endgames are now better for you because of the outside passed pawn. You should have exploited this with 39...Re6!? when 40.Rxe6 Kxe6 41.Kh4 Kf5 42.Kxh5 Kf4 43.Kg6 Kxf3 44.Kf5 Ke3 45.Ke6 Kxd4 46.Kd7 Kxc4 47.Kxc7 d5 48.Kb7 d4 49.Kxa7 Kxb5 50.Kb7 d3 51.a7 d2 52.a8Q d1Q 53.Qa6+ is just a draw. (<em>This a long line, so you better check it with engine, even if it seems quite straitforward to me</em>) and 40.Rh2?! Kg6 is definitely not a winning try for White.</p></li>
  <li><p>39...Rg6+ indeed looks like a draw too, but even allowing f4 doesn't put you in danger yet.</p></li>
  <li><p>42...Re6, controling the central file, doesn't seem to work because of 43.f5! Kxf5 44.Rxh5 Kg6 45.Rh8, heading for the weakness on a7.</p></li>
  <li><p>However, you could have stoped the white King triumphant march to the queenside with 43...Kf6 (planning Kf6-e6-f6 ad vitam aeternam, or possibly d6-d5+ when the king is on e6). I don't think White could have tried much, for instance 44.Rh1 Ke6 45.Rg1 h4 45.Rg7 Rh5 46.Rxc7 h3 is clearly too slow.</p></li>
  <li><p>After you let the wK reach c6, you are in trouble. I might miss some defensive ressources but I think White is winning.</p></li>
  </ul>
  
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Body: <pre><code>
  [FEN ""]
  [Date "6/10/2018"]
  [Round "4"]
  [White "Opponent"]
  [Black "Me"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteElo "2383"]
  [BlackElo "1874"]
  
  1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Be7 5. Qb3 O-O 6. Be2 d6 7. d3 Rb8 8. O-O Bg4 9. a3 Nd7 10. Qc2 f5 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Nf6 13. b4 Qd7 14. Bd2 g5 15. b5 Nd8 16. d4 Nf7 17. Rad1 g4 18. hxg4 Nxg4 19. Bxg4 fxg4 20. Ne4 Qf5 21. Rc1 exd4 22. exd4 Ng5 23. Nxg5 Bxg5 24. Qxf5 Rxf5 25. Bxg5 Rxg5 26. Rfe1 Rf8 27. Re7 Rf7 28. Re8+ Rf8 29. Rce1 Rg7 30. Kh2 h5 31. Kg3 Rgf7 32. Rxf8+ Kxf8 33. Re4 Rf6 34. a4 Kf7 35. a5 b6 36. a6 Rf5 37. Re2 Rf6 38. f3 gxf3 39. gxf3 Rf5 40. f4 Rf6 41. Rh2 Kg6 42. Kf3 Rf5 43. Ke4 Rf6 44. Rg2+ Kf7 45. Rh2 Kg6 46. Rh1 Re6+ 47. Kd5 Rf6 48. Rh4 Rf7 49. Kc6 Rh7 50. d5 Kf5 51. Kb7 c5+ 52. Kb8 Ke4 53. Ka8 Kf5 54. Rxh5+ Rxh5 55. Kxa7 Rh1 56. Kxb6 Ra1 57. Kb7 Kxf4 58. a7 Ke4 59. a8=Q Rxa8 60. Kxa8 1-0
  </code></pre>
  
  <p>My rating: 1874</p>
  
  <p>Opponent's rating: 2383</p>
  
  <p>I felt that I played strongly in this game but faltered due to a lack of understanding in the endgame. Any critique on the middlegame is also appreciated. Feel free to address any of these points or anything else that is important that I did not mention:</p>
  
  <ul>
  <li>After 7...Rb8, my plan is to develop the bishop to g4 and eventually expand with f7-f5. Is this the right thinking? Perhaps my bishop doesn't belong on g4, or perhaps I could achieve my plan quicker without spending time on ...Rb8 and ...Bg4.</li>
  <li>After 10...f5 11.h3 I am losing the bishop pair due to 11...Bh5 12.Nxe5!; was there a better way around this?</li>
  <li>14...g5!? was what I felt was the only way forward. Would I be better off preparing this with something like ...Kh8 and ...Rg8?</li>
  <li>After playing 17...g4, again perhaps I'm pulling the trigger too quickly.</li>
  <li>Instead of 20...Qf5, should I consider 20...d5?</li>
  <li>Maybe I could've played 21...Rbe8 and sat for a little longer before starting to liquidate this position.</li>
  <li>For some odd reason I felt compelled to play 35...b6 in light of white eventually creating some sort of a pawn breakthrough, but perhaps this isn't a worry with rooks on the board? Keeping my original pawn formation could be important later.</li>
  <li>My opponent said 39...Rg6+ was definitely drawing because the kings can't really go away from the f-pawn. Allowing 40.f4 may have been the critical mistake. After that I'm not sure the best defense against white's king march.</li>
  <li>And I missed the 54.Rxh5+! trick in advance.</li>
  </ul>
  
  <p>Also please no computer analysis unless something cannot be justified without it. Thanks!</p>
  
Tags: <analysis><strategy><tactics>
Title: Loss as black in 4.e3 English / rook ending
ThreadText: # Loss as black in 4.e3 English / rook ending
  
  (Asked by: username_0 on 2018-06-18)
  
  [FEN ""]
  [Date "6/10/2018"]
  [Round "4"]
  [White "Opponent"]
  [Black "Me"]
  [Result "1-0"]
  [WhiteElo "2383"]
  [BlackElo "1874"]
  
  1. c4 e5 2. Nc3 Nf6 3. Nf3 Nc6 4. e3 Be7 5. Qb3 O-O 6. Be2 d6 7. d3 Rb8 8. O-O Bg4 9. a3 Nd7 10. Qc2 f5 11. h3 Bxf3 12. Bxf3 Nf6 13. b4 Qd7 14. Bd2 g5 15. b5 Nd8 16. d4 Nf7 17. Rad1 g4 18. hxg4 Nxg4 19. Bxg4 fxg4 20. Ne4 Qf5 21. Rc1 exd4 22. exd4 Ng5 23. Nxg5 Bxg5 24. Qxf5 Rxf5 25. Bxg5 Rxg5 26. Rfe1 Rf8 27. Re7 Rf7 28. Re8+ Rf8 29. Rce1 Rg7 30. Kh2 h5 31. Kg3 Rgf7 32. Rxf8+ Kxf8 33. Re4 Rf6 34. a4 Kf7 35. a5 b6 36. a6 Rf5 37. Re2 Rf6 38. f3 gxf3 39. gxf3 Rf5 40. f4 Rf6 41. Rh2 Kg6 42. Kf3 Rf5 43. Ke4 Rf6 44. Rg2+ Kf7 45. Rh2 Kg6 46. Rh1 Re6+ 47. Kd5 Rf6 48. Rh4 Rf7 49. Kc6 Rh7 50. d5 Kf5 51. Kb7 c5+ 52. Kb8 Ke4 53. Ka8 Kf5 54. Rxh5+ Rxh5 55. Kxa7 Rh1 56. Kxb6 Ra1 57. Kb7 Kxf4 58. a7 Ke4 59. a8=Q Rxa8 60. Kxa8 1-0
  
  My rating: 1874
  Opponent's rating: 2383
  I felt that I played strongly in this game but faltered due to a lack of understanding in the endgame. Any critique on the middlegame is also appreciated. Feel free to address any of these points or anything else that is important that I did not mention:
  
  After 7...Rb8, my plan is to develop the bishop to g4 and eventually expand with f7-f5. Is this the right thinking? Perhaps my bishop doesn't belong on g4, or perhaps I could achieve my plan quicker without spending time on ...Rb8 and ...Bg4.
  After 10...f5 11.h3 I am losing the bishop pair due to 11...Bh5 12.Nxe5!; was there a better way around this?
  14...g5!? was what I felt was the only way forward. Would I be better off preparing this with something like ...Kh8 and ...Rg8?
  After playing 17...g4, again perhaps I'm pulling the trigger too quickly.
  Instead of 20...Qf5, should I consider 20...d5?
  Maybe I could've played 21...Rbe8 and sat for a little longer before starting to liquidate this position.
  For some odd reason I felt compelled to play 35...b6 in light of white eventually creating some sort of a pawn breakthrough, but perhaps this isn't a worry with rooks on the board? Keeping my original pawn formation could be important later.
  My opponent said 39...Rg6+ was definitely drawing because the kings can't really go away from the f-pawn. Allowing 40.f4 may have been the critical mistake. After that I'm not sure the best defense against white's king march.
  And I missed the 54.Rxh5+! trick in advance.
  
  Also please no computer analysis unless something cannot be justified without it. Thanks!
  
  **Tags:** analysis, strategy, tactics
  
  
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  ## 2 answers
  
  ### Answer by username_1 on 2018-06-19. Score: 3 | Accepted answer
  
  Let me try to cover your bullet points:
  
  * After 7...Rb8, ...Bg4 idea: First I don't see the connection of Bg4 with pushing your f-pawn. Your pawns are on dark squares so trading your light square bishop is not a great idea either. How about 8...h6 with the idea of 9...Be6 and 10...d5.
  * After 10...f5 11.h3 I am losing the bishop pair: You didn't properly calculate your Bg4 idea. What did you think was going to happen with Bg4?
  * 14...g5!?: this is fine. White floundered the last few moves so attacking is good.
  * A 17...g4: I would strongly consider 17...e4! You have 2 knights and no light square bishop so closing the center with a space gain and tempo looks correct. You can follow with c6, or h5 and g4.
  * Instead of 20...Qf5, should I consider 20...d5? I would definitely calculate d5, but why open the whole board for the battle when you have space by his king. I like throwing pieces to the king-side.
  * Maybe 21...Rbe8: 21...exd4 is where you start going wrong with the idea of liquidating. Why do you want to liquidate? At this point you should be asking yourself "What does White want to do?" The answer is liquidate! Nc3 is probably his next move. I'd be look at ...Bh4 here.
  * compelled to play 35...b6: First, lets go back to move 26 where you should have played 26...Kf7 and have no worries. You can't let him double rooks on the open file for free. Of course 35...b6 is horrible.
  
  
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  ### Answer by username_2 on 2018-06-19. Score: 1
  
  About the rook endgame:
  
  * At move 33, the game is not over but it should lead to a draw with best play.
  * You played it very passively, which is not what rooks are good at. A psychological trap must have played a role here: "I feel it must be a draw, so I will just try to hold it". Very often rook endgames are drawish because you pick your opponent's pawns while he picks yours, not because you just sit and wait.
  * Instead of 33...Rf6 (what for ?), Kg7-g6-g5 looks natural.
  * 35...b6 is not mandatory (sure, in a pawn endgame you would have to be careful about a c5-b6 break), but it is not a mistake either. In the game, White exploited the weakness on a7, but you could have avoided that.
  * After the pawn exchange on f3, pawn endgames are now better for you because of the outside passed pawn. You should have exploited this with 39...Re6!? when 40.Rxe6 Kxe6 41.Kh4 Kf5 42.Kxh5 Kf4 43.Kg6 Kxf3 44.Kf5 Ke3 45.Ke6 Kxd4 46.Kd7 Kxc4 47.Kxc7 d5 48.Kb7 d4 49.Kxa7 Kxb5 50.Kb7 d3 51.a7 d2 52.a8Q d1Q 53.Qa6+ is just a draw. (*This a long line, so you better check it with engine, even if it seems quite straitforward to me*) and 40.Rh2?! Kg6 is definitely not a winning try for White.
  * 39...Rg6+ indeed looks like a draw too, but even allowing f4 doesn't put you in danger yet.
  * 42...Re6, controling the central file, doesn't seem to work because of 43.f5! Kxf5 44.Rxh5 Kg6 45.Rh8, heading for the weakness on a7.
  * However, you could have stoped the white King triumphant march to the queenside with 43...Kf6 (planning Kf6-e6-f6 ad vitam aeternam, or possibly d6-d5+ when the king is on e6). I don't think White could have tried much, for instance 44.Rh1 Ke6 45.Rg1 h4 45.Rg7 Rh5 46.Rxc7 h3 is clearly too slow.
  * After you let the wK reach c6, you are in trouble. I might miss some defensive ressources but I think White is winning.
  
  
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