<p>Dhammapada Verse 43. Well-Trained Mind Excels people of the world</p>

<p>What one’s mother, what one’s father,
whatever other kin may do, 
the well directed mind indeed
can do greater good.</p>

<p>Explanation: A well directed mind can help a person better than one’s worldly   father or mother.</p>

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Lowbrow
<p>Buddha have explained that people have unskillful mental factors, in English we call them &quot;delusions&quot; or &quot;vexations&quot;.</p>
<p>It would be unwise to always chain yourself to a duty of listening to all the streams of information that deluded-vexated minds produce.</p>
<p>In fact, Buddha have advised to avoid useless conversations.</p>
<p>On the other hand, we always can try to act with karuna (compassion) and prajna (wisdom).</p>
<p>It does not require listening to everything a person would say; sometimes ignoring and mocking someone is wise and compassionate.</p>
<p>To become wiser and more compassionate, we need to dissolve opposition to others (and oppositions in ourselves).</p>
<p>If we do not oppose people, we can understand their delusions and vexations as something that does not oppose us; rather it's some part of our own life, of our own existence.</p>
<p>Then we can deal with problems, opposing problems, not opposing people.</p>

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chang zhao
<p>I found this article when I was searching "Buddhism" and bad parents.</p>

<p>For nearly 20 years I have been working with young people who have been emotionally abused by their parents. </p>

<p>I have learned a lot about society and belief systems while doing this work. </p>

<p>Right now I am trying to help a 15 year old transgender teenager who was sent to a mental health hospital by her emotionally abusive and neglectful mother. </p>

<p>It is unhealthy for her to live under the control of this mother. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this. </p>

<p>The mother is not meeting the emotional needs of the teen. </p>

<p>I suggest we look at things from a perspective of "who needs what". I have found that a lot of parents have a big need to control their children, of any age.</p>

<p>One way they do that is with guilt trips. </p>

<p>If you are not sure what a guilt trip is, you can google it.</p>

<p>I would say that telling someone that to "not listen to your parents is bad karma" is a manipulative guilt trip designed to control behavior. </p>

<p>I thank Heisenberg for their post and for using their brain and emotional intelligence to question something that is, for me at least, very obviously messed up.</p>

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Alex Haley
<p>In this columns all I can see is they are talking of the parents who are carelessly neglecting their children and now the children are wondering how to deal with it. BUT in truth &amp; in fact, there are some parents who have suffered so much in their younger lives to bring up their kids, and those kids grew up, they seem to ill treat their very caring yet now older parents. How can that be regarded as? How could such children be blessed by anyone?</p>

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Manel 
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<p>This is something I keep hearing from my grandmother that keeps annoying me so much. Although I am well off age (26 to be precise) I am still expected to listen to almost every word that my parents say (at least according to my grandmother). Not to bring in any personal matters into the site but I keep arguing that not listening to parents should not be considered as ill-treating them.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Not listening is not necessary ill treating but if you are intentionally hurting them then it is negative Karma.</p>
<p>Any way it is a good idea to listen to your parents but it does not mean you have to do exactly. They may have experiences you might not have. So best cause of action is to get their input and them proactively take the best possible and rational action. Sometimes by just listening you parent maybe happy.</p>
<p>Also be diplomatic when when you have a difference of opinion.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>They expect me to wear nice clothes but I don't (I prefer wearing the same clothes. Who has time for fashion?).</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Fashion is actually changing and attitudes. Getting too attached or averse to them is not skillful. Best is to get into a happy medium. If you are scruffy then your social acceptance will also go down hence there is some point in having to dress nicely. Everyone has to depend of society even monks to get their requisites hence you should be reasonably acceptable and presentable.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>They expect me to marry the one they want.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If you have someone see how you can present the person of your choice. Sometimes there may be issues with your choice you might have not considered. If it is purely driven by lust it might not work. So think about compatibility. Play it tactfully.</p>
<p>Also the following answer maybe of some help: <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/14207/295">https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/14207/295</a> in choosing the right person.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>They always say that as Buddhist I should be very obedient and these days when your turn the TV to listen to some Buddhist advice, monks most of the time talk about parent-child relationship and goes on about how children should always listen to parents.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>As mentioned above getting wider range of input is beneficial to make optimal decisions. More than just robotically doing what you parents say what is needed is to make the relationship more cordial. This maybe difficult due to the generation gap.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I am not saying my parents ask me to do anything bad. But as children we know (sometimes not always) what is best for us.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Life choices perhaps may not be determinable until it plays out when you do not know who is right. All you can do make decision with the best facts you have.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>But when we do what we want all hell breaks lose, daddy shouting mommy crying and granny shouting my bad karma will eventually give me disobedient children just like me.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Disobedience and rebellious behaviour sometimes maybe rooted in version. What you have to is to see if there is aversion or some sort of irritation is present and this is influencing your cause of action.</p>
<p>If 3 people feel your are in the wrong perhaps take a step back and see if actually what you have done is the best and what other alternatives would have been there. I am not saying you might be wrong but when this happens it is good through revisit something you have done just to reaffirm what you did is best with the information you had.</p>
<p>In addition willfully making your parents happy would be positive karma. So if you can do something to make them happy go for it. It is some time very little things which go a long way.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Jokes aside, I want a serious explanation when it comes to parent-child relationship. I am quite aware of the singalovada sutta but when we do something we want and parents get hurt is it always bad karma?</p>
<p>It can't be right?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>If you do it with intention to hurt or your are due to being internally angry then it will be. So try to get into knowing your true intentions and motivation and what it is rooted in.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Otherwise the amount of bad kamma prince Siddhartha would have gained after all the pain his father went through... Pleas share your thoughts.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Prince Siddhartha left the householder's life with the intention of liberation and helping mankind. This is positive. Though incidentally his father maybe hurt it was not his intention.</p>
<p>If you can think of ways to do something without hurting someone then this would be the best cause of action. But with many lifes choices not everyone will be always agreeable and satisfied, hence try to be accommodating as possible within reason and follow through with the best action taking into account to all opinions and parties affected. Keep in check there is no negative motivations, volition of roots in what you are doing.</p>

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Thanks again for your advice. But social acceptance is something I do not get or like to consent to because it is mostly about outer appearance. I did not mean I wear terrible clothes but I tend to be very modest with my attire  but it is mostly frowned upon in this society sadly!
Heisenberg
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You have to try to live in harmony with oneself and others. This means sometimes you have to try to fit in. Also see if simplicity is an ideal you hold and trying to be simple is creating issues then perhaps you are too attached to your ideal.
Suminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
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There is always someone who will have an issue with what someone does. Maybe it's they who should have a different outlook? Trying to fit in is just the easy way out and is a temporary solution from the way I see it.
Heisenberg
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In a way you are right. But see if what you do is the norm or not. It is not clear cut.
Suminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
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Suminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
<p>This is something that I keep hearing from my grandmother that annoys me so much. Although I am of age (26 to be precise), I am still expected to listen to almost every word that my parents say (at least according to my grandmother).</p>

<p>Not to bring personal matters to the site, but I keep arguing that not listening to parents should not be considered ill-treatment of them. They expect me to wear nice clothes, but I don't. (I prefer wearing the same clothes. Who has time for fashion?) They expect me to marry the one they want. They always say that as a Buddhist I should be very obedient. These days when you turn on the TV to listen to some Buddhist advice, monks most of the time talk about parent-child relationships and go on about how children should always listen to their parents.</p>

<p>I am not saying my parents ask me to do anything bad, but as children we know (sometimes, not always) what is best for us. But when we do what we want all hell breaks loose. Daddy shouting, Mommy crying, and Granny shouting that my bad karma will eventually give me disobedient children just like me.</p>

<p>Jokes aside, I want a serious explanation when it comes to parent-child relationships. I am quite aware of the Sigalovada Sutra, but when we do something we want and parents get hurt, is it always bad kamma? It can't be, right? Otherwise the amount of bad karma Prince Siddhartha would have gained after all the pain his father went through...</p>

<p>Please share your thoughts.</p>

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2016-02-24T11:37:39.187Z
Instead of asking about 'bad kamma', if I were asking this question I'd ask something about how to decide whether and when to listen to parents' **advice**, and/or (if not advice) whether and how to respect or fulfill their **wishes or desires**.
ChrisW
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Not listening to parents is bad karma?
# Not listening to parents is bad karma?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-02-24)

This is something that I keep hearing from my grandmother that annoys me so much. Although I am of age (26 to be precise), I am still expected to listen to almost every word that my parents say (at least according to my grandmother).

Not to bring personal matters to the site, but I keep arguing that not listening to parents should not be considered ill-treatment of them. They expect me to wear nice clothes, but I don't. (I prefer wearing the same clothes. Who has time for fashion?) They expect me to marry the one they want. They always say that as a Buddhist I should be very obedient. These days when you turn on the TV to listen to some Buddhist advice, monks most of the time talk about parent-child relationships and go on about how children should always listen to their parents.

I am not saying my parents ask me to do anything bad, but as children we know (sometimes, not always) what is best for us. But when we do what we want all hell breaks loose. Daddy shouting, Mommy crying, and Granny shouting that my bad karma will eventually give me disobedient children just like me.

Jokes aside, I want a serious explanation when it comes to parent-child relationships. I am quite aware of the Sigalovada Sutra, but when we do something we want and parents get hurt, is it always bad kamma? It can't be, right? Otherwise the amount of bad karma Prince Siddhartha would have gained after all the pain his father went through...

Please share your thoughts.

**Tags:** karma, parents

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Instead of asking about 'bad kamma', if I were asking this question I'd ask something about how to decide whether and when to listen to parents' **advice**, and/or (if not advice) whether and how to respect or fulfill their **wishes or desires**.  

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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_6 on 2016-02-24. Score: 4 | Accepted answer

> This is something I keep hearing from my grandmother that keeps annoying me so much. Although I am well off age (26 to be precise) I am still expected to listen to almost every word that my parents say (at least according to my grandmother). Not to bring in any personal matters into the site but I keep arguing that not listening to parents should not be considered as ill-treating them.

Not listening is not necessary ill treating but if you are intentionally hurting them then it is negative Karma.

Any way it is a good idea to listen to your parents but it does not mean you have to do exactly. They may have experiences you might not have. So best cause of action is to get their input and them proactively take the best possible and rational action. Sometimes by just listening you parent maybe happy.

Also be diplomatic when when you have a difference of opinion.

> They expect me to wear nice clothes but I don't (I prefer wearing the same clothes. Who has time for fashion?).

Fashion is actually changing and attitudes. Getting too attached or averse to them is not skillful. Best is to get into a happy medium. If you are scruffy then your social acceptance will also go down hence there is some point in having to dress nicely. Everyone has to depend of society even monks to get their requisites hence you should be reasonably acceptable and presentable.

> They expect me to marry the one they want.

If you have someone see how you can present the person of your choice. Sometimes there may be issues with your choice you might have not considered. If it is purely driven by lust it might not work. So think about compatibility. Play it tactfully.

Also the following answer maybe of some help: <https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/14207/295> in choosing the right person.

> They always say that as Buddhist I should be very obedient and these days when your turn the TV to listen to some Buddhist advice, monks most of the time talk about parent-child relationship and goes on about how children should always listen to parents.

As mentioned above getting wider range of input is beneficial to make optimal decisions. More than just robotically doing what you parents say what is needed is to make the relationship more cordial. This maybe difficult due to the generation gap.

> I am not saying my parents ask me to do anything bad. But as children we know (sometimes not always) what is best for us.

Life choices perhaps may not be determinable until it plays out when you do not know who is right. All you can do make decision with the best facts you have.

> But when we do what we want all hell breaks lose, daddy shouting mommy crying and granny shouting my bad karma will eventually give me disobedient children just like me.

Disobedience and rebellious behaviour sometimes maybe rooted in version. What you have to is to see if there is aversion or some sort of irritation is present and this is influencing your cause of action.

If 3 people feel your are in the wrong perhaps take a step back and see if actually what you have done is the best and what other alternatives would have been there. I am not saying you might be wrong but when this happens it is good through revisit something you have done just to reaffirm what you did is best with the information you had.

In addition willfully making your parents happy would be positive karma. So if you can do something to make them happy go for it. It is some time very little things which go a long way.

> Jokes aside, I want a serious explanation when it comes to parent-child relationship. I am quite aware of the singalovada sutta but when we do something we want and parents get hurt is it always bad karma?
>
> It can't be right?

If you do it with intention to hurt or your are due to being internally angry then it will be. So try to get into knowing your true intentions and motivation and what it is rooted in.

> Otherwise the amount of bad kamma prince Siddhartha would have gained after all the pain his father went through... Pleas share your thoughts.

Prince Siddhartha left the householder's life with the intention of liberation and helping mankind. This is positive. Though incidentally his father maybe hurt it was not his intention.

If you can think of ways to do something without hurting someone then this would be the best cause of action. But with many lifes choices not everyone will be always agreeable and satisfied, hence try to be accommodating as possible within reason and follow through with the best action taking into account to all opinions and parties affected. Keep in check there is no negative motivations, volition of roots in what you are doing.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Thanks again for your advice. But social acceptance is something I do not get or like to consent to because it is mostly about outer appearance. I did not mean I wear terrible clothes but I tend to be very modest with my attire  but it is mostly frowned upon in this society sadly!  
> **username_6**: You have to try to live in harmony with oneself and others. This means sometimes you have to try to fit in. Also see if simplicity is an ideal you hold and trying to be simple is creating issues then perhaps you are too attached to your ideal.  
> **username_0**: There is always someone who will have an issue with what someone does. Maybe it's they who should have a different outlook? Trying to fit in is just the easy way out and is a temporary solution from the way I see it.  
> **username_6**: In a way you are right. But see if what you do is the norm or not. It is not clear cut.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2016-02-26. Score: 2

Dhammapada Verse 43. Well-Trained Mind Excels people of the world

What one’s mother, what one’s father,
whatever other kin may do,
the well directed mind indeed
can do greater good.

Explanation: A well directed mind can help a person better than one’s worldly father or mother.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-10-26. Score: 0

Buddha have explained that people have unskillful mental factors, in English we call them "delusions" or "vexations".

It would be unwise to always chain yourself to a duty of listening to all the streams of information that deluded-vexated minds produce.

In fact, Buddha have advised to avoid useless conversations.

On the other hand, we always can try to act with karuna (compassion) and prajna (wisdom).

It does not require listening to everything a person would say; sometimes ignoring and mocking someone is wise and compassionate.

To become wiser and more compassionate, we need to dissolve opposition to others (and oppositions in ourselves).

If we do not oppose people, we can understand their delusions and vexations as something that does not oppose us; rather it's some part of our own life, of our own existence.

Then we can deal with problems, opposing problems, not opposing people.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2016-12-24. Score: 0

I found this article when I was searching "Buddhism" and bad parents.

For nearly 20 years I have been working with young people who have been emotionally abused by their parents.

I have learned a lot about society and belief systems while doing this work.

Right now I am trying to help a 15 year old transgender teenager who was sent to a mental health hospital by her emotionally abusive and neglectful mother.

It is unhealthy for her to live under the control of this mother. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind about this.

The mother is not meeting the emotional needs of the teen.

I suggest we look at things from a perspective of "who needs what". I have found that a lot of parents have a big need to control their children, of any age.

One way they do that is with guilt trips.

If you are not sure what a guilt trip is, you can google it.

I would say that telling someone that to "not listen to your parents is bad karma" is a manipulative guilt trip designed to control behavior.

I thank username_0 for their post and for using their brain and emotional intelligence to question something that is, for me at least, very obviously messed up.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2020-10-23. Score: 0

In this columns all I can see is they are talking of the parents who are carelessly neglecting their children and now the children are wondering how to deal with it. BUT in truth & in fact, there are some parents who have suffered so much in their younger lives to bring up their kids, and those kids grew up, they seem to ill treat their very caring yet now older parents. How can that be regarded as? How could such children be blessed by anyone?


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