<p>The best thing to remember the fire simile. 
The campfire become a grass fire. the grass fire becomes a bush fire. The bushfire becomes the housefire.
Here the fire is similar to the consciousness (Nama). What fire depends on (grass etc) are the Rupa.
When we take the fire with say grass it is called Namarupa.</p>

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2020-04-05T09:46:57.713Z
2020-04-05T09:46:57.713Z
SarathW
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<p>We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>No, you can't do that in the same way. However, they are all in the difference between Nama such as wholesome, unwholesome, man's mind, girl's mind, etc.</p>
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<p>Can we say &quot;a moving mind&quot;, &quot;mind is located inside the body&quot;, &quot;after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body&quot; ?</p>
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<p>Both Nāma and Rūpa completely vanish where they arise immediately. Nothing move. However, there are many vanished origins can cause new Nāma Rūpa in the future.</p>
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<p>Can we imagine &quot;How mind looks like&quot; ?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Yes, you can imagine of mind. However, no one can see mind by their eyes because mind has no color.</p>
<p>So, if you want to imagine about mind, you need to learn Abhidhamma and meditate Jhāna. If you attain Jhana, you can understand your mind easily. And you can learn everything easily because of Jhana. Jhana can develop  your mind faster and brighter more than whenever you have been before  And by the trick in Tipitaka, especially Abhidhamma, Nāma and Rūpa will clearly appear for you.</p>

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2020-07-05T06:37:58.977Z
2020-07-07T05:19:35.823Z
2020-07-07T05:19:35.823Z
Bonn
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<p><strong>OP: We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Location, size, velocity, shape, time, ... all these are conventional. According to the ultimate truth neither rūpa nor nāma has those characteristics.</p>
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<p><strong>OP: Can we say &quot;a moving mind&quot;, &quot;mind is located inside the body&quot;, &quot;after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body&quot; ?</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>No, neither rūpa nor nāma can move. They arise, exist, and cease then and there. New rūpa may arise at the same place or nearby. They will also exist, and cease then and there. This is called &quot;Deshāntarotpatti&quot;.</p>
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<p><strong>OP: Can we imagine &quot;How mind looks like&quot; ?</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>No one can see mind with eye consciousness. So you can't imagine &quot;How mind looks like&quot;. But you can understand the behaviour and characteristics of your mind.</p>
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<p><strong>OP: Are there any similar characteristics between Nama and Rupa?</strong></p>
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<p>To answer your original question above, yes, there are similar characteristics between rūpa and nāma. Both rūpa and nāma are conditioned. All the conditioned things share three common characteristics. They are anicca (impermanence), dukkha (suffering), and anatta (not-self).</p>

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2020-08-13T05:02:38.797Z
2020-08-13T05:08:22.887Z
2020-08-13T05:08:22.887Z
Damith
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  <p><strong>OP: We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?</strong></p>
</blockquote>

<p>No.</p>

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  <p><strong>OP: "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?</strong></p>
</blockquote>

<p>This arises and passes. When one state passes away the next state arises. At death when the last though moment passes the next the rebirth linking though moment arises in another moment. Distance is immaterial.</p>

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2020-04-05T05:37:51.740Z
2020-04-05T05:37:51.740Z
Suminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
<p>We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?</p>

<p>Can we say "a moving mind", "mind is located inside the body", "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?</p>

<p>Can we imagine "How mind looks like" ?</p>

<theravada><abhidhamma>
Are there any similar characteristics between Nama and Rupa?
# Are there any similar characteristics between Nama and Rupa?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-04-05)

We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?

Can we say "a moving mind", "mind is located inside the body", "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?

Can we imagine "How mind looks like" ?

**Tags:** theravada, abhidhamma


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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-04-05. Score: 2

The best thing to remember the fire simile.
The campfire become a grass fire. the grass fire becomes a bush fire. The bushfire becomes the housefire.
Here the fire is similar to the consciousness (Nama). What fire depends on (grass etc) are the Rupa.
When we take the fire with say grass it is called Namarupa.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2020-07-05. Score: 2

> We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?

No, you can't do that in the same way. However, they are all in the difference between Nama such as wholesome, unwholesome, man's mind, girl's mind, etc.

> Can we say "a moving mind", "mind is located inside the body", "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?

Both Nāma and Rūpa completely vanish where they arise immediately. Nothing move. However, there are many vanished origins can cause new Nāma Rūpa in the future.

> Can we imagine "How mind looks like" ?

Yes, you can imagine of mind. However, no one can see mind by their eyes because mind has no color.

So, if you want to imagine about mind, you need to learn Abhidhamma and meditate Jhāna. If you attain Jhana, you can understand your mind easily. And you can learn everything easily because of Jhana. Jhana can develop your mind faster and brighter more than whenever you have been before And by the trick in Tipitaka, especially Abhidhamma, Nāma and Rūpa will clearly appear for you.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-08-13. Score: 1

> **OP: We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?**

Location, size, velocity, shape, time, ... all these are conventional. According to the ultimate truth neither rūpa nor nāma has those characteristics.

> **OP: Can we say "a moving mind", "mind is located inside the body", "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?**

No, neither rūpa nor nāma can move. They arise, exist, and cease then and there. New rūpa may arise at the same place or nearby. They will also exist, and cease then and there. This is called "Deshāntarotpatti".

> **OP: Can we imagine "How mind looks like" ?**

No one can see mind with eye consciousness. So you can't imagine "How mind looks like". But you can understand the behaviour and characteristics of your mind.

> **OP: Are there any similar characteristics between Nama and Rupa?**

To answer your original question above, yes, there are similar characteristics between rūpa and nāma. Both rūpa and nāma are conditioned. All the conditioned things share three common characteristics. They are anicca (impermanence), dukkha (suffering), and anatta (not-self).


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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-04-05. Score: 0

> **OP: We can define location, size, velocity for rupa. Can we define these for Nama ?**

No.

> **OP: "after the death, mind leaves the body and step into a new body" ?**

This arises and passes. When one state passes away the next state arises. At death when the last though moment passes the next the rebirth linking though moment arises in another moment. Distance is immaterial.


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