<p>Following 10 factors</p>

<ol>
<li>view</li>
<li>intention</li>
<li>speech</li>
<li>action</li>
<li>livelihood</li>
<li>effort</li>
<li>mindfulness</li>
<li>concentration</li>
<li>knowledge</li>
<li>liberation</li>
</ol>

<p>are expanded 4 ways as:</p>

<ol>
<li>right [view, intention, ..., liberation]</li>
<li>wrong [view, intention, ..., liberation]</li>
<li>wholesome state from the right [view, intention, ..., liberation]</li>
<li>unwholesome state from the wrong [view, intention, ..., liberation]</li>
</ol>

<blockquote>
  <p>The 20 factors on the unwholesome side are the 10 wrong factors and the
  unwholesome states that originate from each. The 20 factors on the wholesome side are the 10 right factors and the wholesome states that originate from each</p>
</blockquote>

<p><a href="http://www.themindingcentre.org/dharmafarer/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/6.10-Maha-Cattarisaka-S-m117-piya.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Maha Cattarīsaka Sutta</a></p>

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Suminda Sirinath S. Dharmasena
<p>I read MN 117 as follows:</p>

<ul>
<li>10 wholesome factors by developing (good) and abandoning (bad) = 20 wholesome</li>
<li>10 unwholesome factors by developing (bad) and abandoning (good) = 20 unwholesome</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=22062&amp;p=485161&amp;hilit=forty#p485161" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&amp;t=22062&amp;p=485161&amp;hilit=forty#p485161</a></p>

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2020-04-04T06:25:35.713Z
Hi Chris. Is my analysis different to Suminda and DD?
SarathW
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2020-04-04T09:25:32.210Z
I found DD's difficult to read/understand -- it took me a while to understand his numbering scheme (e.g. "R.1.1" etc.). Suminda's is clearer, easier to read. I think yours is the same but is the easiest to read and understand, isn't that so, or do you think yours is different?
ChrisW
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2020-04-05T01:23:31.573Z
Agree. I could not understand DD so I thought he is saying something diffrent.-)
SarathW
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SarathW
<p>In one of <strong>(R.1.1)</strong> <strong>right view</strong>, wrong view (W.1.1) is abolished and the many evil unwholesome states (W.1.2) that originate with wrong view as condition are also abolished, and the <strong>(R.1.2) many wholesome states that originate with right view as condition</strong> come to fulfilment by development .... In one of <strong>(R.10.1) right deliverance</strong>, wrong deliverance (W.10.1) is abolished, and the many evil unwholesome states (W.10.2) that originate with wrong deliverance as condition are also abolished, and the <strong>(R.10.2) many wholesome states that originate with right deliverance as condition</strong> come to fulfilment by development.</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>Thus, bhikkhus, there are <strong>twenty factors on the side of the
  wholesome</strong> and <strong>twenty factors on the side of the unwholesome</strong>.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>10 right factors + 10 wholesome states originating from 10 right factors + 10 wrong factors + 10 unwholesome states originating from 10 wrong factors = 40</p>

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@SarathW Right and Wrong
Bonn
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What are these R.1.1 and W.1.1 etc.?
SarathW
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Dhamma Dhatu
<p>What are great forty? 
What are the great forty according to following Sutta.
I can identify 30.</p>

<p>Noble tenfold path with mundane and supermundane account for 20  </p>

<p>Wrong tenfold path account for another 10.</p>

<p>What is the remaining 10? </p>

<p>=============</p>

<p>“Therein, bhikkhus, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? In one of right view, right intention comes into being; in one of right intention, right speech comes into being; in one of right speech, right action comes into being; in one of right action, right livelihood comes into being; in one of right livelihood, right effort comes into being; in one of right effort, right mindfulness comes into being; in one of right mindfulness, right concentration comes into being; in one of right concentration, right knowledge comes into being; in one of right knowledge, right deliverance comes into being. Thus, bhikkhus, the path of the disciple in higher training possesses eight factors, the arahant possesses ten factors.</p>

<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn117/en/bodhi" rel="nofollow noreferrer">https://suttacentral.net/mn117/en/bodhi</a>              </p>

<theravada>
What are great forty?
# What are great forty?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-03-08)

What are great forty?
What are the great forty according to following Sutta.
I can identify 30.

Noble tenfold path with mundane and supermundane account for 20

Wrong tenfold path account for another 10.

What is the remaining 10?

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“Therein, bhikkhus, right view comes first. And how does right view come first? In one of right view, right intention comes into being; in one of right intention, right speech comes into being; in one of right speech, right action comes into being; in one of right action, right livelihood comes into being; in one of right livelihood, right effort comes into being; in one of right effort, right mindfulness comes into being; in one of right mindfulness, right concentration comes into being; in one of right concentration, right knowledge comes into being; in one of right knowledge, right deliverance comes into being. Thus, bhikkhus, the path of the disciple in higher training possesses eight factors, the arahant possesses ten factors.

<https://suttacentral.net/mn117/en/bodhi>

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2019-03-09. Score: 4

In one of **(R.1.1)** **right view**, wrong view (W.1.1) is abolished and the many evil unwholesome states (W.1.2) that originate with wrong view as condition are also abolished, and the **(R.1.2) many wholesome states that originate with right view as condition** come to fulfilment by development .... In one of **(R.10.1) right deliverance**, wrong deliverance (W.10.1) is abolished, and the many evil unwholesome states (W.10.2) that originate with wrong deliverance as condition are also abolished, and the **(R.10.2) many wholesome states that originate with right deliverance as condition** come to fulfilment by development.

> Thus, bhikkhus, there are **twenty factors on the side of the
> wholesome** and **twenty factors on the side of the unwholesome**.

10 right factors + 10 wholesome states originating from 10 right factors + 10 wrong factors + 10 unwholesome states originating from 10 wrong factors = 40

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: What are these R.1.1 and W.1.1 etc.?  
> **username_4**: @username_0 Right and Wrong  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2019-08-07. Score: 1

Following 10 factors

1. view
2. intention
3. speech
4. action
5. livelihood
6. effort
7. mindfulness
8. concentration
9. knowledge
10. liberation

are expanded 4 ways as:

1. right [view, intention, ..., liberation]
2. wrong [view, intention, ..., liberation]
3. wholesome state from the right [view, intention, ..., liberation]
4. unwholesome state from the wrong [view, intention, ..., liberation]

> The 20 factors on the unwholesome side are the 10 wrong factors and the
> unwholesome states that originate from each. The 20 factors on the wholesome side are the 10 right factors and the wholesome states that originate from each

[Maha Cattarīsaka Sutta](http://www.themindingcentre.org/dharmafarer/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/6.10-Maha-Cattarisaka-S-m117-piya.pdf)


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### Answer by username_0 on 2019-03-10. Score: -1

I read MN 117 as follows:

* 10 wholesome factors by developing (good) and abandoning (bad) = 20 wholesome
* 10 unwholesome factors by developing (bad) and abandoning (good) = 20 unwholesome

<https://dhammawheel.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=22062&p=485161&hilit=forty#p485161>

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Hi Chris. Is my analysis different to Suminda and DD?  
> **username_2**: I found DD's difficult to read/understand -- it took me a while to understand his numbering scheme (e.g. "R.1.1" etc.). Suminda's is clearer, easier to read. I think yours is the same but is the easiest to read and understand, isn't that so, or do you think yours is different?  
> **username_0**: Agree. I could not understand DD so I thought he is saying something diffrent.-)  

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