<p>Possibly <a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn35/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN 35</a>, however the protagonist is not a bhikkhu but is a Jain:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>All the plants and seeds that achieve growth, increase and maturity do
so depending on the earth and grounded on the earth. All the hard work
that gets done depends on the earth and is grounded on the earth.</p>
<p>In the same way, an individual’s self (attāyaṃ purisapuggalo) is form. Grounded on form they
make good and bad choices. An individual’s self is feeling …
perception … choices … consciousness. Grounded on consciousness they
make good and bad choices.</p>
<p>Aggivessana, are you not saying this: ‘Form is my self, feeling is my
self, perception is my self, choices are my self, consciousness is my
self’?</p>
<p>Indeed, Master Gotama, that is what I am saying.</p>
</blockquote>

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Dhamma Dhatu
<p>Possibly <a href="https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/horner" rel="nofollow noreferrer">MN 38</a>, where the monk held:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>At one time the Lord was staying near Sāvatthī in the Jeta Grove in
Anāthapiṇḍika's monastery. Now at that time a pernicious view like
this had accrued to the monk called Sāti, a fisherman's son: “<em>In so
far as I understand Dhamma taught by the Lord it is that this [same;
identical; <a
href="https://suttacentral.net/define/ana%C3%B1%C3%B1a" rel="nofollow noreferrer">anañña</a>]
consciousness itself runs on, fares on, not another.</em>&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Note: I chose the translation of I.B. Horner to avoid the contradictory <a href="https://suttacentral.net/define/sassatav%C4%81da" rel="nofollow noreferrer">eternalism</a> of the other translators, who use words such as &quot;transmigration&quot; or add words that do not even exist in the sutta, such as &quot;round of rebirths&quot;.</p>

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this is exactly what I was looking for. In https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/43770/17887 you posted a reference to https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books7/Buddhadasa_Bhikkhu_Anatta_and_Rebirth.pdf that reference has exactly the translation I was reading `Misguided man, to whom have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma in that way?..`, which points exactly to MN 38. Well done!
arthur
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<p>In one sutta a monk was teaching, that there's something that is behind our existence, that is permanent (opposite of non-self). Buddha asked for this explicitely, got confirmed, and corrected the view. Which sutta it is?</p>

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@arthur Can you say anything else about which sutta you're looking for? Because a lot of suttas are about anatta.
ChrisW
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@ChrisW, thanks for the help! Names of Monks were very useful. I clearly remember reading a sutta recently where Buddha knew (as he always does) that there was a monk who was spreading the idea, that there's a soul that never dies, i.e., is of non-selfness kind. Buddha asked him explicitly if there's anything of non-self kind, got a positive answer, asked whether he was teaching others about it, got positive answer, told monk that this is wrong, and explained the concept again
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What is the (middle length) sutta, where Buddha exposes a monk, who has an ignorant view of non-self?
# What is the (middle length) sutta, where Buddha exposes a monk, who has an ignorant view of non-self?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-01-06)

In one sutta a monk was teaching, that there's something that is behind our existence, that is permanent (opposite of non-self). Buddha asked for this explicitely, got confirmed, and corrected the view. Which sutta it is?

**Tags:** reference-request, pali-canon, sutras, non-self

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: @username_0 Can you say anything else about which sutta you're looking for? Because a lot of suttas are about anatta.  
> **username_0**: @username_1, thanks for the help! Names of Monks were very useful. I clearly remember reading a sutta recently where Buddha knew (as he always does) that there was a monk who was spreading the idea, that there's a soul that never dies, i.e., is of non-selfness kind. Buddha asked him explicitly if there's anything of non-self kind, got a positive answer, asked whether he was teaching others about it, got positive answer, told monk that this is wrong, and explained the concept again  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2021-01-07. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

Possibly [MN 38](https://suttacentral.net/mn38/en/horner), where the monk held:

> At one time the Lord was staying near Sāvatthī in the Jeta Grove in
> Anāthapiṇḍika's monastery. Now at that time a pernicious view like
> this had accrued to the monk called Sāti, a fisherman's son: “*In so
> far as I understand Dhamma taught by the Lord it is that this [same;
> identical; [anañña](https://suttacentral.net/define/ana%C3%B1%C3%B1a)]
> consciousness itself runs on, fares on, not another.*"

Note: I chose the translation of I.B. Horner to avoid the contradictory [eternalism](https://suttacentral.net/define/sassatav%C4%81da) of the other translators, who use words such as "transmigration" or add words that do not even exist in the sutta, such as "round of rebirths".

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: this is exactly what I was looking for. In https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/43770/17887 you posted a reference to https://www.dhammatalks.net/Books7/Buddhadasa_Bhikkhu_Anatta_and_Rebirth.pdf that reference has exactly the translation I was reading `Misguided man, to whom have you ever known me to teach the Dhamma in that way?..`, which points exactly to MN 38. Well done!  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-01-07. Score: 2

Possibly [MN 35](https://suttacentral.net/mn35/en/sujato), however the protagonist is not a bhikkhu but is a Jain:

> All the plants and seeds that achieve growth, increase and maturity do
> so depending on the earth and grounded on the earth. All the hard work
> that gets done depends on the earth and is grounded on the earth.
>
> In the same way, an individual’s self (attāyaṃ purisapuggalo) is form. Grounded on form they
> make good and bad choices. An individual’s self is feeling …
> perception … choices … consciousness. Grounded on consciousness they
> make good and bad choices.
>
> Aggivessana, are you not saying this: ‘Form is my self, feeling is my
> self, perception is my self, choices are my self, consciousness is my
> self’?
>
> Indeed, Master Gotama, that is what I am saying.


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