<p>@ DeusIIXII,  what you are referring to is the last of the four formless meditations that exist. The eight attainments (atthasmapatti) in meditation (attaining Adhicitta) broadly has two parts - namely, the first four rupa jhanas and the four arupa jhanas. These last four are higher stages of mental concentration – the formless states - enable one to gain supernormal powers.</p>

<p>Eventhough we see the mind as normally inter-dependent with body, there are levels of existence where only mental phenomena exist, with nothing whatever of rupa.  The four 'formless' (arupa) meditative states are attainable from the fourth jhana onwards. They are:</p>

<p>The sphere of infinite space (<strong>Akasanañcayatana</strong>);<br>
This is attained by transcending any cognition of rupa, by abandoning the metal image that was previously the object of concentration, and seeing that space is infinite.</p>

<p>The sphere of infinite consciousness (<strong>Viññaaañcayatana</strong>);<br>
In this second state, the focus is on the consciousness that had been aware of infinite space.</p>

<p>The sphere of nothingness (<strong>Akiñcaññayatana</strong>);<br>
In the third, this object (Viññaaañcayatana) is dropped, and the focus is on the apparent nothingness remaining.</p>

<p>The sphere of neither-cognition-nor-non-cognition (<strong>Nevasaññanâsaññayatana</strong>).
In the fourth, this object (Akiñcaññayatana) is dropped and the mind is in an attenuated state where it is hardly functioning.</p>

<p>If you want to know these stages in more detail please read the following Suttas:</p>

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  <p>SD 24.11 _ Pathama Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Savitakka) Pathama Jhana Sutta. Progressing in the 1st dhyana.<br>
  SD24.12a _ Dutiya Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Avitakka) Dutiya Jhana Sutta. Progressing in 2nd dhyana.<br>
  SD 24.13 _ Tatiya Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Sukhena) Tatiya Jhana Sutta. Progressing in the 3rd dhyana.<br>
  SD 24.14 _ Catuttha Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Upekkhaka) Catuttha Jhana Sutta. How to progress in the 4th dhyana.<br>
  SD 24.15 _ Akasanañcayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of infinite space.<br>
  SD 24.16 _ Viññaaañcayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of infinite consciousness.<br>
  SD 24.17 _ Akiñcaññayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of nothingness.<br>
  SD 24.18 _ Nevasaññanâsaññayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.   </p>
</blockquote>

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<pre><code>Theory
3 “‘The sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, the sphere of neither-perception-nor-nonperception,’
it is said. What now is the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception?

4 Then, avuso, this occurred to me:
‘Here, bhikshu, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, he enters and dwells in the
sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.’8
Practice

5 Then, avuso, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, I entered and dwelled in the
sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.
While I dwelled therein, avuso, perception and attention accompanied by sphere of nothingness
assailed me.

Realization
6 Then, avuso, the Blessed One approached me by means of psychic power and said this to me:
‘Moggallāna, Moggallāna! Do not be heedless, brahmin, regarding the sphere of neither-perceptionnor-non-perception:
steady your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ saṇṭhapehi,
unify your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ ekodiṁ karohi,
concentrate your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ samādaha.’

7 Then, avuso, on another occasion, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, I entered
and dwelled in the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.
Spiritual friendship

8 Now, avuso, if one speaking rightly, were to say, ‘He is a disciple who attained to greatness of
direct knowledge with the help of the Teacher,’
it is of me that one speaking rightly would say, ‘He is a disciple who attained to greatness of direct
knowledge with the help of the Teacher.’”
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<p><a href="http://www.themindingcentre.org/dharmafarer/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/24.18-Nevasannanasannayatana-Panha-S-s40.8-piya.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">N’eva,saññā,nâsaññ’āyatana Pañha Sutta</a></p>

<p>Before getting there you have to practice the 7 leading upto the 8th. For more reference on this see <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/19298/295">this answer</a>.</p>

<p>Also I am not sure if you can reach this without a proper teacher. Many teachers do not teach this. Perhaps one teacher who might teach it is <a href="http://www.paaukforestmonastery.org/abbot.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Venerable Pa-Auk Sayadaw</a> of the <a href="http://www.paaukforestmonastery.org/" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Pa-Auk Forest Monastery</a>. Perhaps Ajahn Brahm also might be teaching this according to another answer. You can inquire if one of these teachers or their assistants are willing to teach you.</p>

<p>Also not everyone can achieve this level of deep <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhy%C4%81na_in_Buddhism" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Jhana</a>.</p>

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<p>This book may help with jhana: <a href="https://www.dhammaloka.org.au/files/pdf/Ajahn_Brahm-Mindfulness_Bliss_and_Beyond-Chapters1-4.pdf" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond</a> by Ajahn Brahm.</p>

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<p>I am new to meditation. If i understand correctly there are two types of meditations, Two forms of meditation eight jhanas and vipassana (insight).</p>

<p>One thing that capture me and made me want to start meditating was the ability to focus my mind on anything i wish to deeply focus on. To have a understanding with my mind and work with it. I feel like eight jhanas is the best method but i dont understand how to begin. I looked it up but lost. Any ideas?</p>

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What is The eighth jhana and how can i practice it?
# What is The eighth jhana and how can i practice it?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2017-02-16)

I am new to meditation. If i understand correctly there are two types of meditations, Two forms of meditation eight jhanas and vipassana (insight).

One thing that capture me and made me want to start meditating was the ability to focus my mind on anything i wish to deeply focus on. To have a understanding with my mind and work with it. I feel like eight jhanas is the best method but i dont understand how to begin. I looked it up but lost. Any ideas?

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2017-02-18. Score: 1

@ username_0, what you are referring to is the last of the four formless meditations that exist. The eight attainments (atthasmapatti) in meditation (attaining Adhicitta) broadly has two parts - namely, the first four rupa jhanas and the four arupa jhanas. These last four are higher stages of mental concentration – the formless states - enable one to gain supernormal powers.

Eventhough we see the mind as normally inter-dependent with body, there are levels of existence where only mental phenomena exist, with nothing whatever of rupa. The four 'formless' (arupa) meditative states are attainable from the fourth jhana onwards. They are:

The sphere of infinite space (**Akasanañcayatana**);  
This is attained by transcending any cognition of rupa, by abandoning the metal image that was previously the object of concentration, and seeing that space is infinite.

The sphere of infinite consciousness (**Viññaaañcayatana**);  
In this second state, the focus is on the consciousness that had been aware of infinite space.

The sphere of nothingness (**Akiñcaññayatana**);  
In the third, this object (Viññaaañcayatana) is dropped, and the focus is on the apparent nothingness remaining.

The sphere of neither-cognition-nor-non-cognition (**Nevasaññanâsaññayatana**).
In the fourth, this object (Akiñcaññayatana) is dropped and the mind is in an attenuated state where it is hardly functioning.

If you want to know these stages in more detail please read the following Suttas:

> SD 24.11 \_ Pathama Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Savitakka) Pathama Jhana Sutta. Progressing in the 1st dhyana.  
> SD24.12a \_ Dutiya Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Avitakka) Dutiya Jhana Sutta. Progressing in 2nd dhyana.  
> SD 24.13 \_ Tatiya Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Sukhena) Tatiya Jhana Sutta. Progressing in the 3rd dhyana.  
> SD 24.14 \_ Catuttha Jhana Pañha Sutta or (Upekkhaka) Catuttha Jhana Sutta. How to progress in the 4th dhyana.  
> SD 24.15 \_ Akasanañcayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of infinite space.  
> SD 24.16 \_ Viññaaañcayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of infinite consciousness.  
> SD 24.17 \_ Akiñcaññayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of nothingness.  
> SD 24.18 \_ Nevasaññanâsaññayatana Pañha Sutta. Progressing in the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2017-02-17. Score: 0

Theory
3 “‘The sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception, the sphere of neither-perception-nor-nonperception,’
it is said. What now is the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception?

4 Then, avuso, this occurred to me:
‘Here, bhikshu, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, he enters and dwells in the
sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.’8
Practice

5 Then, avuso, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, I entered and dwelled in the
sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.
While I dwelled therein, avuso, perception and attention accompanied by sphere of nothingness
assailed me.

Realization
6 Then, avuso, the Blessed One approached me by means of psychic power and said this to me:
‘Moggallāna, Moggallāna! Do not be heedless, brahmin, regarding the sphere of neither-perceptionnor-non-perception:
steady your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ saṇṭhapehi,
unify your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ ekodiṁ karohi,
concentrate your mind in the sphere of
neither-perception-nor-non-perception, nevasaññānāsaññ’āyatane cittaṁ samādaha.’

7 Then, avuso, on another occasion, by completely transcending the sphere of nothingness, I entered
and dwelled in the sphere of neither-perception-nor-non-perception.
Spiritual friendship

8 Now, avuso, if one speaking rightly, were to say, ‘He is a disciple who attained to greatness of
direct knowledge with the help of the Teacher,’
it is of me that one speaking rightly would say, ‘He is a disciple who attained to greatness of direct
knowledge with the help of the Teacher.’”


N’eva,saññā,nâsaññ’āyatana Pañha Sutta
Before getting there you have to practice the 7 leading upto the 8th. For more reference on this see this answer.
Also I am not sure if you can reach this without a proper teacher. Many teachers do not teach this. Perhaps one teacher who might teach it is Venerable Pa-Auk Sayadaw of the Pa-Auk Forest Monastery. Perhaps Ajahn Brahm also might be teaching this according to another answer. You can inquire if one of these teachers or their assistants are willing to teach you.
Also not everyone can achieve this level of deep Jhana.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2017-02-16. Score: 0

This book may help with jhana: [Mindfulness, Bliss and Beyond](https://www.dhammaloka.org.au/files/pdf/Ajahn_Brahm-Mindfulness_Bliss_and_Beyond-Chapters1-4.pdf) by Ajahn Brahm.


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