<p>The Pali scripture says &quot;kamma is intention&quot;</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech &amp; intellect.</p>
<p><a href="https://suttacentral.net/an6.63/en/thanissaro" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 6.63</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Therefore, intention born of greed will not be the same as intention born of good-will.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident
from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from
actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal
birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.</p>
<p>AN 6.39</p>
</blockquote>

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Dhamma Dhatu
<p>The intent is certainly the most important thing for karma.</p>
<p>Let's use giving gifts as an example.</p>
<p>There are eight reasons why one may give gifts.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>“Bhikkhus, there are these eight grounds for giving. What eight? (1)
One gives a gift from desire. (2) One gives a gift from hatred. (3)
One gives a gift from delusion. (4) One gives a gift from fear. (5)
One gives a gift, thinking: ‘Giving was practiced before by my father
and forefathers; I should not abandon this ancient family custom.’ (6)
One gives a gift, thinking: ‘Having given this gift, with the breakup
of the body, after death, I will be reborn in a good destination, in a
heavenly world.’ (7) One gives a gift, thinking: ‘When I am giving
this gift my mind becomes placid, and elation and joy arise.’ (8) One
gives a gift for the purpose of ornamenting the mind, equipping the
mind. These are the eight grounds for giving.”<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an8.33/en/bodhi" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 8.33</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>All eight are not equal.</p>
<p>Of the eight listed, the last one, which is ornamenting the mind or adorning the mind, is the highest reason with the highest benefit.</p>
<p>Please see <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/31371/471">this answer</a> for details on what is meant by &quot;ornamenting&quot; or &quot;adorning&quot; the mind.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>“Yes, Sariputta, there would be the case where a person gives a gift
of a certain sort and it does not bear great fruit or great benefit,
whereas another person gives a gift of the same sort and it bears
great fruit and great benefit. .......</p>
<p>“Having given this gift seeking his own profit—with a mind attached
[to the reward], seeking to store up for himself, [with the thought],
‘I’ll enjoy this after death’—on the break-up of the body, after
death, he reappears in the company of the Four Great Kings. Then,
having exhausted that action, that power, that status, that
sovereignty, he is a returner, coming back to this world. ......</p>
<p>“—but with the thought, ‘This is an ornament for the mind, a support
for the mind’—on the break-up of the body, after death, he reappears
in the company of Brahma’s Retinue. Then, having exhausted that
action, that power, that status, that sovereignty, he is a
non-returner. He does not come back to this world.</p>
<p>“This, Sariputta, is the cause, this is the reason, why a person gives
a gift of a certain sort and it does not bear great fruit or great
benefit, whereas another person gives a gift of the same sort and it
bears great fruit and great benefit.”<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an7.52/en/thanissaro" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 7.52</a></p>
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ruben2020
<p>No the two are different in intent and what that intent does to you.</p>
<p>When you save someone with the intent of saving that person, that act is an act of compassion. Its an act you performed for the benefit of the other person. Not to accrue something for you. When you do such an act that Karma does little or no contribution to reinforce that the saknkna (signal) of yourself. Thus, such an act of altruism does not contribute to you building 'sakhkhaya dhitti' (the mistake of taking the process of living as a person - in short: 'I').</p>
<p>When you do the same act with an expectation on your mind, that act reinforces the concept of 'self' in you.</p>
<p>Say you saved person X, that means;</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>You</strong> are the savior of X</li>
<li>X exists</li>
<li>X exists as part of the existing World</li>
<li>If X was Saved by <strong>me</strong>, then <strong>I</strong> exist</li>
<li>Because World exists and <em>I</em> perceive it, <em>I</em> exist</li>
</ul>
<p>At the core of it, the effort is to reinforce yourself that '<em>you</em>' exist. This is quite dangerous for the practicing Buddhist. This is why, practicing Buddhists perform their acts without any expectations or returns. They are trying to see through the process which we simply take for-grant as '<em>myself</em>'. Anything that reinforces it, is thought of as a hindrance to Nirvana.</p>

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Sampath
<p>While the act of saving someone's life does bring great overall benefits to the person's future lives, his intent does influence the orientation of such wholesome rewards. For example, a person performing the act with the intent toward relinquishment and liberation will receive an outcome conducive toward that direction, while another performing the same act, but with the intent of gaining worldly rewards, hence  would also get positive outcomes, though oriented towards more of a mundane worldly kind of merits.</p>

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santa100
<p>With intent being so important, would the karmic benefit of saving someone's life because they were in danger be the same as doing it because you thought you would be rewarded for it?</p>

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Intent and Karmic benefit
# Intent and Karmic benefit

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-03-05)

With intent being so important, would the karmic benefit of saving someone's life because they were in danger be the same as doing it because you thought you would be rewarded for it?

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_4 on 2022-03-06. Score: 2 | Accepted answer

While the act of saving someone's life does bring great overall benefits to the person's future lives, his intent does influence the orientation of such wholesome rewards. For example, a person performing the act with the intent toward relinquishment and liberation will receive an outcome conducive toward that direction, while another performing the same act, but with the intent of gaining worldly rewards, hence would also get positive outcomes, though oriented towards more of a mundane worldly kind of merits.


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### Answer by username_1 on 2022-03-06. Score: 1

The Pali scripture says "kamma is intention"

> Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of body, speech & intellect.
>
> [AN 6.63](https://suttacentral.net/an6.63/en/thanissaro)

Therefore, intention born of greed will not be the same as intention born of good-will.

> Bhikkhus, a god, a human or any other good state would not be evident
> from actions born of greed, hate and delusion. Yet, bhikkhus, from
> actions born of greed, hate and delusion a hellish being, an animal
> birth a ghostly birth or some other bad state would be evident.
>
> AN 6.39


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### Answer by username_2 on 2022-03-07. Score: 1

The intent is certainly the most important thing for karma.

Let's use giving gifts as an example.

There are eight reasons why one may give gifts.

> “Bhikkhus, there are these eight grounds for giving. What eight? (1)
> One gives a gift from desire. (2) One gives a gift from hatred. (3)
> One gives a gift from delusion. (4) One gives a gift from fear. (5)
> One gives a gift, thinking: ‘Giving was practiced before by my father
> and forefathers; I should not abandon this ancient family custom.’ (6)
> One gives a gift, thinking: ‘Having given this gift, with the breakup
> of the body, after death, I will be reborn in a good destination, in a
> heavenly world.’ (7) One gives a gift, thinking: ‘When I am giving
> this gift my mind becomes placid, and elation and joy arise.’ (8) One
> gives a gift for the purpose of ornamenting the mind, equipping the
> mind. These are the eight grounds for giving.”  
> [AN 8.33](https://suttacentral.net/an8.33/en/bodhi)

All eight are not equal.

Of the eight listed, the last one, which is ornamenting the mind or adorning the mind, is the highest reason with the highest benefit.

Please see [this answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/31371/471) for details on what is meant by "ornamenting" or "adorning" the mind.

> “Yes, Sariputta, there would be the case where a person gives a gift
> of a certain sort and it does not bear great fruit or great benefit,
> whereas another person gives a gift of the same sort and it bears
> great fruit and great benefit. .......
>
> “Having given this gift seeking his own profit—with a mind attached
> [to the reward], seeking to store up for himself, [with the thought],
> ‘I’ll enjoy this after death’—on the break-up of the body, after
> death, he reappears in the company of the Four Great Kings. Then,
> having exhausted that action, that power, that status, that
> sovereignty, he is a returner, coming back to this world. ......
>
> “—but with the thought, ‘This is an ornament for the mind, a support
> for the mind’—on the break-up of the body, after death, he reappears
> in the company of Brahma’s Retinue. Then, having exhausted that
> action, that power, that status, that sovereignty, he is a
> non-returner. He does not come back to this world.
>
> “This, Sariputta, is the cause, this is the reason, why a person gives
> a gift of a certain sort and it does not bear great fruit or great
> benefit, whereas another person gives a gift of the same sort and it
> bears great fruit and great benefit.”  
> [AN 7.52](https://suttacentral.net/an7.52/en/thanissaro)


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### Answer by username_3 on 2022-03-07. Score: 1

No the two are different in intent and what that intent does to you.

When you save someone with the intent of saving that person, that act is an act of compassion. Its an act you performed for the benefit of the other person. Not to accrue something for you. When you do such an act that Karma does little or no contribution to reinforce that the saknkna (signal) of yourself. Thus, such an act of altruism does not contribute to you building 'sakhkhaya dhitti' (the mistake of taking the process of living as a person - in short: 'I').

When you do the same act with an expectation on your mind, that act reinforces the concept of 'self' in you.

Say you saved person X, that means;

* **You** are the savior of X
* X exists
* X exists as part of the existing World
* If X was Saved by **me**, then **I** exist
* Because World exists and *I* perceive it, *I* exist

At the core of it, the effort is to reinforce yourself that '*you*' exist. This is quite dangerous for the practicing Buddhist. This is why, practicing Buddhists perform their acts without any expectations or returns. They are trying to see through the process which we simply take for-grant as '*myself*'. Anything that reinforces it, is thought of as a hindrance to Nirvana.


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