<p>Samudaya (in Sanskrit) in the context of Buddhism and dependent origination (paticcaya samutpada {Pali} pratitya-samutpada {Sanskrit}) literally connotes origination, arising.</p>
<p>&quot;Community&quot; is a contemporary meaning of the Hindi word samudaya, whose pronunciation also differs.</p>
<p>When the context is suffering, quite possibly one of the immediate follow up question for analysis in the buddhist context would be cause of suffering. In that and such context, samudaya can come to connote the cause of origin of suffering.</p>

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HomagetoManjushri
<p>Samudaya is described in 3 methods according to Orthodox Theravada.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong>Ariya sacca method</strong> -&gt; Tanha (craving)</li>
<li><strong>Paticcasamuppada method</strong> -&gt; 12 links (including Tanha) rooted in
Avijja (ignorance)</li>
<li><strong>Patthana method</strong> -&gt; More detailed with 24 causes</li>
</ol>
<p>We have to patiently learn them little by little.</p>
<p>The Omniscient One has stated that the Dhamma is very deep and hard to see in many suttas.</p>
<p>Let's take time and learn it properly.</p>

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Blake
<p>Samudaya or the <em>origin</em> is nicely explained in <a href="https://suttacentral.net/sn22.5/en/bodhi?reference=none&amp;highlight=false" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Concentration Sutta (SN 22.5)</a></p>
<blockquote>
<p>“And what, bhikkhus, is the origin of form? What is the origin of
feeling? What is the origin of perception? What is the origin of
volitional formations? What is the origin of consciousness?</p>
<p>“Here, bhikkhus, one seeks delight, one welcomes, one remains holding.
And what is it that one seeks delight in, what does one welcome, to
what does one remain holding? <strong>One seeks delight in form, welcomes it,
and remains holding to it. As a consequence of this, delight arises.
Delight in form is clinging. With one’s clinging as condition,
existence comes to be; with existence as condition, birth; with birth
as condition, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure,
and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of
suffering.</strong></p>
</blockquote>
<p>If you want to <strong>understand</strong> <em>samudaya</em> according to Concentration Sutta, <a href="https://visuddhimagga.info/download.php?file=https://anaalaya.blob.core.windows.net/dhamma2019/M_E_Eightfoldpath_13_07_2019.mp4" rel="nofollow noreferrer">refer to this teaching</a> and do the meditations explained at the end.</p>

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ahtisarw
<p>They're all right.</p>
<p>Past lives ignorants cause this life. And the arising ignorant is causing life as well.</p>
<p>If you can see the past lives, you will see yourselves when doing karma, both wholesome and unwholesome, with ignorant.</p>
<p>And if you see trillion times per second arising mind moments, you will see uncountable ignorant with unwholesome and switching in between vanished wholesome.</p>
<h2>Why ignorant is at first</h2>
<p>When unwholesome mind and mind-factors arise, many of them always or often arise together.</p>
<p>However, if the practitioner don't ignore at first whether &quot;clinging on arising and vanishing realities is causing of suffering&quot;, they don't want to cling on anything, then all unwholesome minds can't arise.</p>
<p>Meditate Jhana-Mastery and see the arising and vanishing yourself to see the truth whether &quot;we are clinging on only arising and vanishing trillion times per second&quot;, <strong>then you will see &quot;how much we ignore entire lives&quot;.</strong></p>

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Bonn
<p>What does <em>samudaya</em> mean?  I'm seeing: &quot;community&quot;, &quot;arising&quot;, &quot;the origin, or cause of suffering&quot;</p>
<p>When I read <em>samudaya</em> on the wiki, I became uncertain.</p>
<p>Then somehow i read it as &quot;ignorance together with dukkha&quot;, and somehow that made sense..(dependent origination?)</p>
<p>any verification?</p>

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But aren’t evil deeds also the cause for suffering? Why would one do evil deeds then? Craving? So craving can also be the origin of suffering? Doubts?
blue_ego
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Sometimes the meaning of a word depends on the context in which it's used -- where are you reading it? Also did you mean [samudaya](https://suttacentral.net/define/samudaya) (not "sumudaya")?
ChrisW
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Its samudaya  not sumudaya
enRaiser
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@ChrisW I reading at the wikipedia..
blue_ego
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@ChrisW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths
blue_ego
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@ChrisW Avidya means ignorance, so it could be context, or my interpretation might be off.  Perhaps 'origin' is best
blue_ego
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@lilredindy was a dumb question...
blue_ego
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What does samudaya mean?
# What does samudaya mean?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-07-04)

What does *samudaya* mean? I'm seeing: "community", "arising", "the origin, or cause of suffering"

When I read *samudaya* on the wiki, I became uncertain.

Then somehow i read it as "ignorance together with dukkha", and somehow that made sense..(dependent origination?)

any verification?

**Tags:** nirvana

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: But aren’t evil deeds also the cause for suffering? Why would one do evil deeds then? Craving? So craving can also be the origin of suffering? Doubts?  
> **username_1**: Sometimes the meaning of a word depends on the context in which it's used -- where are you reading it? Also did you mean [samudaya](https://suttacentral.net/define/samudaya) (not "sumudaya")?  
> **username_2**: Its samudaya  not sumudaya  
> **username_0**: @username_1 I reading at the wikipedia..  
> **username_0**: @username_1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_Noble_Truths  
> **username_0**: @username_1 Avidya means ignorance, so it could be context, or my interpretation might be off.  Perhaps 'origin' is best  
> **username_0**: @lilredindy was a dumb question...  

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_3 on 2022-10-03. Score: 2

Samudaya (in Sanskrit) in the context of Buddhism and dependent origination (paticcaya samutpada {Pali} pratitya-samutpada {Sanskrit}) literally connotes origination, arising.

"Community" is a contemporary meaning of the Hindi word samudaya, whose pronunciation also differs.

When the context is suffering, quite possibly one of the immediate follow up question for analysis in the buddhist context would be cause of suffering. In that and such context, samudaya can come to connote the cause of origin of suffering.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2022-10-03. Score: 0

Samudaya is described in 3 methods according to Orthodox Theravada.

1. **Ariya sacca method** -> Tanha (craving)
2. **Paticcasamuppada method** -> 12 links (including Tanha) rooted in
   Avijja (ignorance)
3. **Patthana method** -> More detailed with 24 causes

We have to patiently learn them little by little.

The Omniscient One has stated that the Dhamma is very deep and hard to see in many suttas.

Let's take time and learn it properly.


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### Answer by username_5 on 2022-10-28. Score: 0

Samudaya or the *origin* is nicely explained in [Concentration Sutta (SN 22.5)](https://suttacentral.net/sn22.5/en/bodhi?reference=none&highlight=false)

> “And what, bhikkhus, is the origin of form? What is the origin of
> feeling? What is the origin of perception? What is the origin of
> volitional formations? What is the origin of consciousness?
>
> “Here, bhikkhus, one seeks delight, one welcomes, one remains holding.
> And what is it that one seeks delight in, what does one welcome, to
> what does one remain holding? **One seeks delight in form, welcomes it,
> and remains holding to it. As a consequence of this, delight arises.
> Delight in form is clinging. With one’s clinging as condition,
> existence comes to be; with existence as condition, birth; with birth
> as condition, aging-and-death, sorrow, lamentation, pain, displeasure,
> and despair come to be. Such is the origin of this whole mass of
> suffering.**

If you want to **understand** *samudaya* according to Concentration Sutta, [refer to this teaching](https://visuddhimagga.info/download.php?file=https://anaalaya.blob.core.windows.net/dhamma2019/M_E_Eightfoldpath_13_07_2019.mp4) and do the meditations explained at the end.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2022-07-04. Score: 0

They're all right.

Past lives ignorants cause this life. And the arising ignorant is causing life as well.

If you can see the past lives, you will see yourselves when doing karma, both wholesome and unwholesome, with ignorant.

And if you see trillion times per second arising mind moments, you will see uncountable ignorant with unwholesome and switching in between vanished wholesome.

## Why ignorant is at first

When unwholesome mind and mind-factors arise, many of them always or often arise together.

However, if the practitioner don't ignore at first whether "clinging on arising and vanishing realities is causing of suffering", they don't want to cling on anything, then all unwholesome minds can't arise.

Meditate Jhana-Mastery and see the arising and vanishing yourself to see the truth whether "we are clinging on only arising and vanishing trillion times per second", **then you will see "how much we ignore entire lives".**


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