<p>Most suttas in <a href="https://suttacentral.net/sn15" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SN 15</a> like <a href="https://suttacentral.net/sn15.1/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SN 15.1</a>, have the following ending:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of
sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, hindered by ignorance and
fettered by craving. For such a long time you have undergone
suffering, agony, and disaster, swelling the cemeteries. This is quite
enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed
regarding all conditions.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>From a different translation of the <a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Tears Sutta</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning
point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered
by craving are transmigrating &amp; wandering on. Long have you thus
experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the
cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things,
enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released.&quot;</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Please also see <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/34116/471">this answer</a>.</p>

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I would agree and suggest further that the answer also relates strongly to some of the answers to the Unanswerable Questions which are presented as "unwise reflection" into the eternal/finite existence of the self.
GVCOJims
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ruben2020
<p>In the ultimate Truth there's no birth, past , present and future. birth is illusion.
That is why the Buddha said there is no apparent beginning. As there's no beginning for the rat horn or a sky flowers.</p>

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Epic
<p>In commentary, we born by avijjā. Avijjā arises by Kāmāsava, Bhavāsava, and Avijāsava. These 3 Āsavā originate Avijjā. It's non stop loop.</p>
<p>I can see only stronger and stronger unwholesome in the loop. And I don't think we can find the beginning.</p>
<p>Ignorant &gt; Old and Death &gt; Doing (Managing) &gt; Old and Death &gt; Nāma Rūpa Arise &gt; Old and Death &gt; Senses Arise &gt; Old and Death &gt; Meeting &gt; Old and Death &gt; Feeling &gt; Old and Death &gt; Remembering &gt; Old and Death &gt; Managing &gt; Old and Death &gt; Craving &gt; Old and Death &gt; Craving again and again &gt; Old and Death &gt; Doing (Managing) for New  Nāma Rūpa Arise as in Memory &gt; Old and Death &gt; Born as Managed &gt; Old and Death &gt; Arising Old and Death &gt;  Arising Old and Death &gt;  Arising Old and Death &gt; Unlimited.</p>

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Bonn
<p>Our Number of births going into the past has to necasserily be finite not infinite.an infinite number of births without a first is logically infathomable.so why did we first incarnate?</p>

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Why did we first incarnate?
# Why did we first incarnate?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-07-11)

Our Number of births going into the past has to necasserily be finite not infinite.an infinite number of births without a first is logically infathomable.so why did we first incarnate?

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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-07-11. Score: 2

Most suttas in [SN 15](https://suttacentral.net/sn15) like [SN 15.1](https://suttacentral.net/sn15.1/en/sujato), have the following ending:

> Transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of
> sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, hindered by ignorance and
> fettered by craving. For such a long time you have undergone
> suffering, agony, and disaster, swelling the cemeteries. This is quite
> enough for you to become disillusioned, dispassionate, and freed
> regarding all conditions.”

From a different translation of the [Tears Sutta](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn15/sn15.003.than.html):

> From an inconstruable beginning comes transmigration. A beginning
> point is not evident, though beings hindered by ignorance and fettered
> by craving are transmigrating & wandering on. Long have you thus
> experienced stress, experienced pain, experienced loss, swelling the
> cemeteries — enough to become disenchanted with all fabricated things,
> enough to become dispassionate, enough to be released."

Please also see [this answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/34116/471).

> **Comments:**
> **username_2**: I would agree and suggest further that the answer also relates strongly to some of the answers to the Unanswerable Questions which are presented as "unwise reflection" into the eternal/finite existence of the self.  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-07-11. Score: 1

In the ultimate Truth there's no birth, past , present and future. birth is illusion.
That is why the Buddha said there is no apparent beginning. As there's no beginning for the rat horn or a sky flowers.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2020-07-11. Score: 0

In commentary, we born by avijjā. Avijjā arises by Kāmāsava, Bhavāsava, and Avijāsava. These 3 Āsavā originate Avijjā. It's non stop loop.

I can see only stronger and stronger unwholesome in the loop. And I don't think we can find the beginning.

Ignorant > Old and Death > Doing (Managing) > Old and Death > Nāma Rūpa Arise > Old and Death > Senses Arise > Old and Death > Meeting > Old and Death > Feeling > Old and Death > Remembering > Old and Death > Managing > Old and Death > Craving > Old and Death > Craving again and again > Old and Death > Doing (Managing) for New Nāma Rūpa Arise as in Memory > Old and Death > Born as Managed > Old and Death > Arising Old and Death > Arising Old and Death > Arising Old and Death > Unlimited.


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