<p>Death is like cessation, isn't it -- dissolution, transformation -- whereas nibbana is the unborn and the undying.</p>

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the above appears to say nirodha (cessation) & nibbana are unrelated; even though both words are commonly found within the same definition of nibbana
Dhamma Dhatu
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Canonically I think that nibbana is attained by cessation of tendencies from which birth (and ignorance) arises, but I think that wasn't what the question was asking.
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ChrisW
<p>No. Perception of death is usually the fear or terror of losing what one clings to, usually consciousness, form etc.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said, &quot;Monks, suppose there were a
river, flowing down from the mountains, going far, its current swift,
carrying everything with it, and — holding on to both banks — kasa
grasses, kusa grasses, reeds, birana grasses, &amp; trees were growing.
Then a man swept away by the current would grab hold of the kasa
grasses, but they would tear away, and so from that cause he would
come to disaster. He would grab hold of the kusa grasses... the
reeds... the birana grasses... the trees, but they would tear away,
and so from that cause he would come to disaster.</p>
<p>&quot;In the same way, there is the case where an uninstructed,
run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not
well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men
of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma —
assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing
form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form. That form tears
away from him, and so from that cause he would come to disaster.</p>
<p>&quot;He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling,
or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. That feeling
tears away from him, and so from that cause he would come to disaster.</p>
<p>&quot;He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing
perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in
perception. That perception tears away from him, and so from that
cause he would come to disaster.</p>
<p>&quot;He assumes (mental) fabrications to be the self, or the self as
possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self
as in fabrications. Those fabrications tear away from him, and so from
that cause he would come to disaster.</p>
<p>&quot;He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing
consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in
consciousness. That consciousness tears away from him, and so from
that cause he would come to disaster.<br />
<a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.093.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">SN 22.93</a></p>
</blockquote>
<p>Nibbana is peace, bliss, deathless (i.e. free from the fear and terror of death), permanent freedom from suffering.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Health is the greatest gift,<br />
contentment is the greatest wealth,<br />
a trusted friend is the best relative,<br />
Nibbana is the greatest bliss.<br />
<a href="https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/verseload.php?verse=204" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Dhp 204</a></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>At one time Venerable Sāriputta was staying near Rājagaha, in the
Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.</p>
<p>There he addressed the mendicants: “Reverends, Nibbana is
bliss! Nibbana is bliss!”</p>
<p>When he said this, Venerable Udāyī said to him, “But Reverend
Sāriputta, what’s blissful about it, since nothing is felt?”</p>
<p>“The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s blissful about it.<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an9.34/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 9.34</a></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>There is that dimension, monks, where there is neither earth, nor
water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of
space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension
of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor
non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor
moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor
staying; neither passing away nor arising: unestablished, unevolving,
without support [mental object]. This, just this, is the end of stress
(suffering).<br />
<a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.8.01.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Ud 8.1</a></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>One who is dependent has wavering. One who is independent has no
wavering. There being no wavering, there is calm. There being calm,
there is no yearning. There being no yearning, there is no coming or
going. There being no coming or going, there is no passing away or
arising. There being no passing away or arising, there is neither a
here nor a there nor a between-the-two. This, just this, is the end of
stress (suffering).<br />
<a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.8.04.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Ud 8.4</a></p>
</blockquote>

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ruben2020
<p>The is no such as perception of ones death, once avijja is already uprooted, good householder. And to reach such, even perception of Nibbana has to be abounded.</p>

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user21403
<p>persons transmigrate. nirvana is the cessation of that.  that is not merely death.</p>

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bw tho
<p>Nibbana is cessation of delusion, cessation of ambition and greed, cessation of lacking, cessation of needing more, cessation of &quot;everything is wrong&quot;, cessation of worrying about one's future, cessation of &quot;i am better&quot; and &quot;i am worse&quot;, cessation of ego-centric hoping and fearing, cessation of taking reification of signs seriously, cessation of the need to escape, cessation of Path, cessation of Attainment, cessation of taking boundaries as something absolute, cessation of overgeneralization - just to list a few examples.</p>
<p>Death is merely one abstraction, one concept, one simplistic generalization - of many such ones that cease at Nibbana.</p>
<p>Perception of (someone's) death is <em>making</em>, while Nibbana is <em>not-making</em>. <em>Making</em> is constructing or shaping reality with your mind, playing a game of make-believe. Nibbana is cessation of playing games. They are actually quite the opposite, death and Nibbana.</p>
<p>The only aspect that I can think of as common between death and Nibbana is letting go.</p>

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Andriy Volkov
<p>If no thing transmigrates, and nibbana is cessation,</p>
<p>Is a perception of death - a perception of cessation, then akin to a perception of nibbana?</p>

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The question in my opinion needs to be reframed. There can be no 'perception' of death for death is cessation of all perception. Similarly Nibbana too cannot be 'perceived'; it is beyond perception.
Sushil Fotedar
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Death and nibbana
# Death and nibbana

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-07-01)

If no thing transmigrates, and nibbana is cessation,

Is a perception of death - a perception of cessation, then akin to a perception of nibbana?

**Tags:** nirvana, perception

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: The question in my opinion needs to be reframed. There can be no 'perception' of death for death is cessation of all perception. Similarly Nibbana too cannot be 'perceived'; it is beyond perception.  

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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_7 on 2021-07-02. Score: 6 | Accepted answer

Nibbana is cessation of delusion, cessation of ambition and greed, cessation of lacking, cessation of needing more, cessation of "everything is wrong", cessation of worrying about one's future, cessation of "i am better" and "i am worse", cessation of ego-centric hoping and fearing, cessation of taking reification of signs seriously, cessation of the need to escape, cessation of Path, cessation of Attainment, cessation of taking boundaries as something absolute, cessation of overgeneralization - just to list a few examples.

Death is merely one abstraction, one concept, one simplistic generalization - of many such ones that cease at Nibbana.

Perception of (someone's) death is *making*, while Nibbana is *not-making*. *Making* is constructing or shaping reality with your mind, playing a game of make-believe. Nibbana is cessation of playing games. They are actually quite the opposite, death and Nibbana.

The only aspect that I can think of as common between death and Nibbana is letting go.


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### Answer by username_2 on 2021-07-02. Score: 0

Death is like cessation, isn't it -- dissolution, transformation -- whereas nibbana is the unborn and the undying.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: the above appears to say nirodha (cessation) & nibbana are unrelated; even though both words are commonly found within the same definition of nibbana  
> **username_2**: Canonically I think that nibbana is attained by cessation of tendencies from which birth (and ignorance) arises, but I think that wasn't what the question was asking.  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-07-02. Score: 0

No. Perception of death is usually the fear or terror of losing what one clings to, usually consciousness, form etc.

> At Savatthi. There the Blessed One said, "Monks, suppose there were a
> river, flowing down from the mountains, going far, its current swift,
> carrying everything with it, and — holding on to both banks — kasa
> grasses, kusa grasses, reeds, birana grasses, & trees were growing.
> Then a man swept away by the current would grab hold of the kasa
> grasses, but they would tear away, and so from that cause he would
> come to disaster. He would grab hold of the kusa grasses... the
> reeds... the birana grasses... the trees, but they would tear away,
> and so from that cause he would come to disaster.
>
> "In the same way, there is the case where an uninstructed,
> run-of-the-mill person — who has no regard for noble ones, is not
> well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma; who has no regard for men
> of integrity, is not well-versed or disciplined in their Dhamma —
> assumes form (the body) to be the self, or the self as possessing
> form, or form as in the self, or the self as in form. That form tears
> away from him, and so from that cause he would come to disaster.
>
> "He assumes feeling to be the self, or the self as possessing feeling,
> or feeling as in the self, or the self as in feeling. That feeling
> tears away from him, and so from that cause he would come to disaster.
>
> "He assumes perception to be the self, or the self as possessing
> perception, or perception as in the self, or the self as in
> perception. That perception tears away from him, and so from that
> cause he would come to disaster.
>
> "He assumes (mental) fabrications to be the self, or the self as
> possessing fabrications, or fabrications as in the self, or the self
> as in fabrications. Those fabrications tear away from him, and so from
> that cause he would come to disaster.
>
> "He assumes consciousness to be the self, or the self as possessing
> consciousness, or consciousness as in the self, or the self as in
> consciousness. That consciousness tears away from him, and so from
> that cause he would come to disaster.  
> [SN 22.93](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/sn/sn22/sn22.093.than.html)

Nibbana is peace, bliss, deathless (i.e. free from the fear and terror of death), permanent freedom from suffering.

> Health is the greatest gift,  
> contentment is the greatest wealth,  
> a trusted friend is the best relative,  
> Nibbana is the greatest bliss.  
> [Dhp 204](https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/verseload.php?verse=204)

> At one time Venerable Sāriputta was staying near Rājagaha, in the
> Bamboo Grove, the squirrels’ feeding ground.
>
> There he addressed the mendicants: “Reverends, Nibbana is
> bliss! Nibbana is bliss!”
>
> When he said this, Venerable Udāyī said to him, “But Reverend
> Sāriputta, what’s blissful about it, since nothing is felt?”
>
> “The fact that nothing is felt is precisely what’s blissful about it.  
> [AN 9.34](https://suttacentral.net/an9.34/en/sujato)

> There is that dimension, monks, where there is neither earth, nor
> water, nor fire, nor wind; neither dimension of the infinitude of
> space, nor dimension of the infinitude of consciousness, nor dimension
> of nothingness, nor dimension of neither perception nor
> non-perception; neither this world, nor the next world, nor sun, nor
> moon. And there, I say, there is neither coming, nor going, nor
> staying; neither passing away nor arising: unestablished, unevolving,
> without support [mental object]. This, just this, is the end of stress
> (suffering).  
> [Ud 8.1](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.8.01.than.html)

> One who is dependent has wavering. One who is independent has no
> wavering. There being no wavering, there is calm. There being calm,
> there is no yearning. There being no yearning, there is no coming or
> going. There being no coming or going, there is no passing away or
> arising. There being no passing away or arising, there is neither a
> here nor a there nor a between-the-two. This, just this, is the end of
> stress (suffering).  
> [Ud 8.4](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/kn/ud/ud.8.04.than.html)


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### Answer by username_5 on 2021-07-02. Score: 0

The is no such as perception of ones death, once avijja is already uprooted, good householder. And to reach such, even perception of Nibbana has to be abounded.


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### Answer by username_6 on 2021-07-01. Score: 0

persons transmigrate. nirvana is the cessation of that. that is not merely death.


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