<p>I think it's subject to origination if (but only if) the conditions for its origination exist.</p>

<p>A tree, for example, is subject to cessation.</p>

<p>A tree is subject to origination, but only in certain conditions: if there's earth, if there's rain, if there's sun, and if there's a seed (or perhaps the roots remaining from a previous tree), and if it's not eaten while it's still young, etc.</p>

<p>It's for that reason that they talk about Nibbana -- destroying the "roots" etc.</p>

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Just for clarification:Once cessation of craving is achieved how can 'whole mass of suffering' arise ? Isn't it true that cessation of craving means cessation of suffering and once cessation is achieved i.e Nirvana is achieved ,there is no way for the suffering to arise?
Dheeraj Verma
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I think the 3rd noble truth says that suffering ceases when craving ceases, but doesn't explain why craving can arise. See also e.g. [this answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/26229/254) which identifies other "roots" -- including *Nivarana*, *Asava*, and *Anusaya*, as well as "ignorance". There are some other topics on these roots, see also for example [What is effluent?](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/9414/254)
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<p>Buddha said:</p>

<blockquote>
  <p>yaṃ kiñci samudayadhammaṃ, sabbaṃ taṃ nirodhadhamman'ti </p>
</blockquote>

<p>or "whatever is <em>samudaya</em>-able -- all that is <em>nirodha</em>-able".</p>

<p><em>Samudaya</em> means "to come together", "to arise from coincidence of multiple conditions".<br>
<em>Nirodha</em> means "to stop".</p>

<p>So the meaning of the phrase is "Whatever arose from coincidence of multiple conditions will stop when one of those necessary conditions is no longer operative."</p>

<p>You're asking, what about the opposite? Can something that has stopped like that - can it arise when the necessary conditions come together again?</p>

<p>The answer is, yes of course it can - but is that new "something" the same as the original "something"? In Buddhist understanding, this answer depends on clinging and identification. If we cling to it and identify with it as the same - then for us it is the same. If we don't cling and don't identify - then it's not.</p>

<p>The next question you ask: if suffering comes from coincidence of multiple conditions, and one of those conditions is craving, if that craving is removed, the suffering stops - but can the suffering arise again? Yes, of course it can - if all the necessary factors, including craving, come together again.</p>

<p>Why would craving happen again? Craving happens when we think that object of craving is desirable. Why do we think that object of craving is desirable? Because we think that getting that object will lead to good experience for us. Why do we think that getting that object will lead to good experience? Because we think that good experience comes from the object, not from ourselves. Why do we think that good experience comes from the object? Because we don't understand how our mind creates experience. This is called "ignorance".</p>

<p>So if there is still this "ignorance" => there will be craving => there will be suffering.</p>

<p>Nirvana is permanent cessation of suffering attained with complete cessation of ignorance (of how mind creates experience). </p>

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<p>Dhamma <a href="https://suttacentral.net/sn35.74/en/bodhi" rel="nofollow noreferrer">implies</a> that whatever is subject to origination is subject to cessation. </p>

<blockquote>
  <p>And while this discourse was being spoken, there arose in that bhikkhu
  the dust-free, stainless vision of the Dhamma: “Whatever is subject to
  origination is all subject to cessation.”</p>
</blockquote>

<p>But what about the opposite?</p>

<p>Is it also true that whatever is subject to cessation is also subject to origination?</p>

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Is it true that whatever is subject to cessation is subject to origination?
# Is it true that whatever is subject to cessation is subject to origination?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-06-06)

Dhamma [implies](https://suttacentral.net/sn35.74/en/bodhi) that whatever is subject to origination is subject to cessation.

> And while this discourse was being spoken, there arose in that bhikkhu
> the dust-free, stainless vision of the Dhamma: “Whatever is subject to
> origination is all subject to cessation.”

But what about the opposite?

Is it also true that whatever is subject to cessation is also subject to origination?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2018-06-06. Score: 5

Buddha said:

> yaṃ kiñci samudayadhammaṃ, sabbaṃ taṃ nirodhadhamman'ti

or "whatever is *samudaya*-able -- all that is *nirodha*-able".

*Samudaya* means "to come together", "to arise from coincidence of multiple conditions".  
*Nirodha* means "to stop".

So the meaning of the phrase is "Whatever arose from coincidence of multiple conditions will stop when one of those necessary conditions is no longer operative."

You're asking, what about the opposite? Can something that has stopped like that - can it arise when the necessary conditions come together again?

The answer is, yes of course it can - but is that new "something" the same as the original "something"? In Buddhist understanding, this answer depends on clinging and identification. If we cling to it and identify with it as the same - then for us it is the same. If we don't cling and don't identify - then it's not.

The next question you ask: if suffering comes from coincidence of multiple conditions, and one of those conditions is craving, if that craving is removed, the suffering stops - but can the suffering arise again? Yes, of course it can - if all the necessary factors, including craving, come together again.

Why would craving happen again? Craving happens when we think that object of craving is desirable. Why do we think that object of craving is desirable? Because we think that getting that object will lead to good experience for us. Why do we think that getting that object will lead to good experience? Because we think that good experience comes from the object, not from ourselves. Why do we think that good experience comes from the object? Because we don't understand how our mind creates experience. This is called "ignorance".

So if there is still this "ignorance" => there will be craving => there will be suffering.

Nirvana is permanent cessation of suffering attained with complete cessation of ignorance (of how mind creates experience).


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### Answer by username_1 on 2018-06-06. Score: 1

I think it's subject to origination if (but only if) the conditions for its origination exist.

A tree, for example, is subject to cessation.

A tree is subject to origination, but only in certain conditions: if there's earth, if there's rain, if there's sun, and if there's a seed (or perhaps the roots remaining from a previous tree), and if it's not eaten while it's still young, etc.

It's for that reason that they talk about Nibbana -- destroying the "roots" etc.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Just for clarification:Once cessation of craving is achieved how can 'whole mass of suffering' arise ? Isn't it true that cessation of craving means cessation of suffering and once cessation is achieved i.e Nirvana is achieved ,there is no way for the suffering to arise?  
> **username_1**: I think the 3rd noble truth says that suffering ceases when craving ceases, but doesn't explain why craving can arise. See also e.g. [this answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/26229/254) which identifies other "roots" -- including *Nivarana*, *Asava*, and *Anusaya*, as well as "ignorance". There are some other topics on these roots, see also for example [What is effluent?](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/9414/254)  

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