<p>Starting from having thoughts imbued with the three poisons, one would have intentions and intentions lead to kamma by way of actions, speech and thoughts.</p>
<blockquote>
<p>All mental phenomena have mind as their forerunner;
they have mind as
their chief; they are mind-made. If one speaks or acts with an evil
mind, 'dukkha' follows him just as the wheel follows the hoofprint
of the ox that draws the cart.<br />
<a href="https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/verseload.php?verse=001" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Dhp 1</a></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>&quot;Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of
body, speech, &amp; intellect.<br />
<a href="https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an06/an06.063.than.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 6.63</a></p>
</blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>“Mendicants, there are these three unskillful roots. What three?
Greed, hate, and delusion.</p>
<p>Greed is a root of the unskillful. When a greedy person chooses to act
by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a greedy
person, overcome by greed, causes another to suffer under a false
pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or condemnation
or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that too is
unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are produced in
them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by greed.</p>
<p>Hate is a root of the unskillful. When a hateful person chooses to act
by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a
hateful person, overcome by hate, causes another to suffer under a
false pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or
condemnation or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that
too is unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are
produced in them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by hate.</p>
<p>Delusion is a root of the unskillful. When a deluded person chooses to
act by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a
deluded person, overcome by delusion, causes another to suffer under a
false pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or
condemnation or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that
too is unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are
produced in them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by
delusion. Such a person is said to have speech that’s ill-timed,
false, meaningless, not in line with the teaching and training.<br />
<a href="https://suttacentral.net/an3.69/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">AN 3.69</a></p>
</blockquote>

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@Letsbuddhism I have switched to the Thanissaro translation for AN 6.63. Thanks.
ruben2020
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@Letsbuddhism What exactly is the controversy regarding Sujato?  I'm curious. Could you point  me to sources?
A.Ellett
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@Letsbuddhism thank you for sharing the link.  it was very helpful.
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I would not say Ven. Sujato’s and Ven. Bodhi’s translations are wrong in the AN10.58. Amatogadha (deathless) is an analogy of the word Nibbāna in Buddhism. It means only Nibbāna could make you truly immortal. There are four characteristics of Dukkha nirodha sacca (Nibbāna), one is amata (deathlessness). All things culminate in the deathless. (=All things finish in Nibbāna. )
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https://www.karunasevena.cz/four-noble-truths

The extinction of suffering has four characteristics, being:  1. An escape from suffering, nissaraṇa    2. Free from disturbance, viveka  3.   Unconditioned, asaṅkhata 4. Deathlessness, amata
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ruben2020
<p>creates karma and samsaric existence ie. the truth of suffering but not necessarily bad karma</p>

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bw tho
<p>You want to go to X country for your next vacation, then you might lie to your boss because you want to stay longer vacation.</p>
<p>But lie is impossible for the noble one.</p>
<p>In Abhi.Patthana, the great explanation of the dependent origination, there are &quot;PakatUpanissayaPaccaya- strong birthplace for daily, habitually performed or accumulated realities&quot;.</p>
<p>Every vanished things, nibbana, and imagination can causes the next arising realities, counting from the 3rd arising moment (after the past reality vanished) and go on until Parinibbana (the death of Arahanta).</p>
<p>Every bad karma accumulate their habit for the next time and next level arising, until the end of the roots.</p>
<p>And it is arising very fast, trillion times per second, so if the practitioner has no stronger enough concentration meditation, the practitioner will lack of seeing some 5 hindrances. And even the
practitioner who has stronger enough concentration meditation (Jhanalabhi,Vasipatto) will lack of seeing a tanha, mana, ditthi arising moment if they never listen the Buddha's teaching because it means they has strong enough past Parami to analysis life as the dependent origination as the fastest and smallest arising&amp;vanishing moment to get the reality's 3 characteristics for destroy the root forever and enlighten 4 AriyaSacca.</p>

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Bonn
<p><a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/2868/20766">This answer</a> stated that:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Even if you sit in the dark and do nothing, you can still be creating
bad Kamma. It depends on whether you have Samma Sati or not. Whatever
you do can create bad Karma as long as your thoughts are defiled with
craving, aversion and ignorance.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So ALL thoughts that are defiled with craving, aversion and ignorance (lobha, dosa, moha) create bad karma? So does it mean when we want something (for example, I want to go to X country for my next vacation), does that thought creates bad karma because such thought is rooted in lobha (craving)?</p>

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Do ALL thoughts with lobha (craving), dosa (aversion) and moha (ignorance) create bad karma?
# Do ALL thoughts with lobha (craving), dosa (aversion) and moha (ignorance) create bad karma?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2021-07-03)

[This answer](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/a/2868/20766) stated that:

> Even if you sit in the dark and do nothing, you can still be creating
> bad Kamma. It depends on whether you have Samma Sati or not. Whatever
> you do can create bad Karma as long as your thoughts are defiled with
> craving, aversion and ignorance.

So ALL thoughts that are defiled with craving, aversion and ignorance (lobha, dosa, moha) create bad karma? So does it mean when we want something (for example, I want to go to X country for my next vacation), does that thought creates bad karma because such thought is rooted in lobha (craving)?

**Tags:** karma, craving, ignorance, defilements, aversion


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## 3 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2021-07-03. Score: 1

Starting from having thoughts imbued with the three poisons, one would have intentions and intentions lead to kamma by way of actions, speech and thoughts.

> All mental phenomena have mind as their forerunner;
> they have mind as
> their chief; they are mind-made. If one speaks or acts with an evil
> mind, 'dukkha' follows him just as the wheel follows the hoofprint
> of the ox that draws the cart.  
> [Dhp 1](https://www.tipitaka.net/tipitaka/dhp/verseload.php?verse=001)

> "Intention, I tell you, is kamma. Intending, one does kamma by way of
> body, speech, & intellect.  
> [AN 6.63](https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/an/an06/an06.063.than.html)

> “Mendicants, there are these three unskillful roots. What three?
> Greed, hate, and delusion.
>
> Greed is a root of the unskillful. When a greedy person chooses to act
> by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a greedy
> person, overcome by greed, causes another to suffer under a false
> pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or condemnation
> or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that too is
> unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are produced in
> them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by greed.
>
> Hate is a root of the unskillful. When a hateful person chooses to act
> by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a
> hateful person, overcome by hate, causes another to suffer under a
> false pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or
> condemnation or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that
> too is unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are
> produced in them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by hate.
>
> Delusion is a root of the unskillful. When a deluded person chooses to
> act by way of body, speech, or mind, that too is unskillful. When a
> deluded person, overcome by delusion, causes another to suffer under a
> false pretext—by execution or imprisonment or confiscation or
> condemnation or banishment—thinking ‘I’m powerful, I want power’, that
> too is unskillful. And so these many bad, unskillful things are
> produced in them, born, sourced, originated, and conditioned by
> delusion. Such a person is said to have speech that’s ill-timed,
> false, meaningless, not in line with the teaching and training.  
> [AN 3.69](https://suttacentral.net/an3.69/en/sujato)

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: @Letsbuddhism I have switched to the Thanissaro translation for AN 6.63. Thanks.  
> **username_2**: @Letsbuddhism What exactly is the controversy regarding Sujato?  I'm curious. Could you point  me to sources?  
> **username_2**: @Letsbuddhism thank you for sharing the link.  it was very helpful.  
> **username_3**: I would not say Ven. Sujato’s and Ven. Bodhi’s translations are wrong in the AN10.58. Amatogadha (deathless) is an analogy of the word Nibbāna in Buddhism. It means only Nibbāna could make you truly immortal. There are four characteristics of Dukkha nirodha sacca (Nibbāna), one is amata (deathlessness). All things culminate in the deathless. (=All things finish in Nibbāna. )  
> **username_3**: https://www.karunasevena.cz/four-noble-truths  The extinction of suffering has four characteristics, being:  1. An escape from suffering, nissaraṇa    2. Free from disturbance, viveka  3.   Unconditioned, asaṅkhata 4. Deathlessness, amata  

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### Answer by username_4 on 2021-07-03. Score: 0

creates karma and samsaric existence ie. the truth of suffering but not necessarily bad karma


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### Answer by username_5 on 2021-07-03. Score: 0

You want to go to X country for your next vacation, then you might lie to your boss because you want to stay longer vacation.

But lie is impossible for the noble one.

In Abhi.Patthana, the great explanation of the dependent origination, there are "PakatUpanissayaPaccaya- strong birthplace for daily, habitually performed or accumulated realities".

Every vanished things, nibbana, and imagination can causes the next arising realities, counting from the 3rd arising moment (after the past reality vanished) and go on until Parinibbana (the death of Arahanta).

Every bad karma accumulate their habit for the next time and next level arising, until the end of the roots.

And it is arising very fast, trillion times per second, so if the practitioner has no stronger enough concentration meditation, the practitioner will lack of seeing some 5 hindrances. And even the
practitioner who has stronger enough concentration meditation (Jhanalabhi,Vasipatto) will lack of seeing a tanha, mana, ditthi arising moment if they never listen the Buddha's teaching because it means they has strong enough past Parami to analysis life as the dependent origination as the fastest and smallest arising&vanishing moment to get the reality's 3 characteristics for destroy the root forever and enlighten 4 AriyaSacca.


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