<p>I think that nibbana is defined as the end of suffering -- which occurs with the end of craving (as defined by the noble truths).</p>

<p>The end of craving happens (permanently) when the various causes of craving up uprooted -- the causes of craving include e.g. <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/9414/254"><em>anusaya</em> and <em>asava</em></a> and so on.</p>

<p>This uprooting can be permanent in the same way that <a href="https://accesstoinsight.org/search_results.html?q=palmyra" rel="nofollow noreferrer">when a palm tree is cut then it won't grow again</a>.</p>

<p>Conversely, Samsara is a cycle of existence -- the <em>pratītyasamutpāda</em> doctrine (i.e. the doctrine of the 12 <em>nidanas</em>) says that cycle (including further birth) is conditioned by craving -- and so does <a href="https://suttacentral.net/sn22.99/en/sujato" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this description</a>:</p>

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  <p>“Mendicants, transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving.</p>
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Sorry if this doesn't understand the question -- I'm not sure I understood what the question was.
ChrisW
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ChrisW
<p>This kind of questions comes simply because, you have mixed your understanding about Buddhism with Science. Science made by humans to solve day to day problems, but Buddhism isn't. Believe or not dharma is the explanation for everything. So don't let your mind to ask such questions about the Nibbana, see <a href="https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/29070/what-is-actually-nirvana-what-are-some-tripitaka-sources">this</a> thread also to get some brief idea about Nibbana.</p>

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thanks. there's also the 40+ part reading/talk/expansion/Q&A on "The Island" by Ajahn Amaro https://www.amaravati.org/speakers/ajahn-amaro/?fpmtp_series=the-island
vimutti
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PL_Pathum
<p>Buddhism doesn't define the extremes; Samsara's beginning and end is not apparent. So, if it's not apparent you question is, according to Buddhism, wrong question.  </p>

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Epic
<p>It's not so much: is it possible to have Nibbana without Samsara? That is just how it is. Positive is accompanied by negative, yin and yang, pain/trouble and peace/bliss. The goal is to be more towards Nibbana, and step out of the way of, or avoid being in Samsara. Beings learn by falling into Samsara, and deciding not to go back there!</p>

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Brendan Darrer
<p>Sure, that's what the path of the Noble One is all about.
While the question "is sustainability possible (and how)?" is of no need. It's the very nature of Unbond that it does not require any sustainability, entertainment, is free of "under holding", holding on, requirement of support. For one who as fulfilled the task.</p>

<p><em>[Note: this is a <a href="http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/dhamma-dana" rel="nofollow noreferrer">gift of Dhamma</a>, not thought for trade, stakes, exchanges or other gains subject toward decay and should be deleted if it's not giften to give in Dhammic conditions]</em></p>

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Samana Johann
<p>Is nothing but all-encompassing, absolute Nibbana without Samsara possible? If so, is sustainability possible (and how)?</p>

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Possibility of nothing but all-encompassing, absolute Nibbana without Samsara? If so, is sustainability possible (and how)?
# Possibility of nothing but all-encompassing, absolute Nibbana without Samsara? If so, is sustainability possible (and how)?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2018-11-13)

Is nothing but all-encompassing, absolute Nibbana without Samsara possible? If so, is sustainability possible (and how)?

**Tags:** nirvana, samsara


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## 5 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2018-11-15. Score: 2

I think that nibbana is defined as the end of suffering -- which occurs with the end of craving (as defined by the noble truths).

The end of craving happens (permanently) when the various causes of craving up uprooted -- the causes of craving include e.g. [*anusaya* and *asava*](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/q/9414/254) and so on.

This uprooting can be permanent in the same way that [when a palm tree is cut then it won't grow again](https://accesstoinsight.org/search_results.html?q=palmyra).

Conversely, Samsara is a cycle of existence -- the *pratītyasamutpāda* doctrine (i.e. the doctrine of the 12 *nidanas*) says that cycle (including further birth) is conditioned by craving -- and so does [this description](https://suttacentral.net/sn22.99/en/sujato):

> “Mendicants, transmigration has no known beginning. No first point is found of sentient beings roaming and transmigrating, hindered by ignorance and fettered by craving.

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Sorry if this doesn't understand the question -- I'm not sure I understood what the question was.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2019-05-27. Score: 1

This kind of questions comes simply because, you have mixed your understanding about Buddhism with Science. Science made by humans to solve day to day problems, but Buddhism isn't. Believe or not dharma is the explanation for everything. So don't let your mind to ask such questions about the Nibbana, see [this](https://buddhism.stackexchange.com/questions/29070/what-is-actually-nirvana-what-are-some-tripitaka-sources) thread also to get some brief idea about Nibbana.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: thanks. there's also the 40+ part reading/talk/expansion/Q&A on "The Island" by Ajahn Amaro https://www.amaravati.org/speakers/ajahn-amaro/?fpmtp_series=the-island  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2018-11-15. Score: 1

Buddhism doesn't define the extremes; Samsara's beginning and end is not apparent. So, if it's not apparent you question is, according to Buddhism, wrong question.


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### Answer by username_4 on 2018-11-13. Score: 1

It's not so much: is it possible to have Nibbana without Samsara? That is just how it is. Positive is accompanied by negative, yin and yang, pain/trouble and peace/bliss. The goal is to be more towards Nibbana, and step out of the way of, or avoid being in Samsara. Beings learn by falling into Samsara, and deciding not to go back there!


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### Answer by username_5 on 2018-11-17. Score: 1

Sure, that's what the path of the Noble One is all about.
While the question "is sustainability possible (and how)?" is of no need. It's the very nature of Unbond that it does not require any sustainability, entertainment, is free of "under holding", holding on, requirement of support. For one who as fulfilled the task.

*[Note: this is a [gift of Dhamma](http://accesstoinsight.eu/en/dhamma-dana), not thought for trade, stakes, exchanges or other gains subject toward decay and should be deleted if it's not giften to give in Dhammic conditions]*


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