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<p>I recall reading the Buddhist scriptures say those who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell.</p>
<p>Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?</p>
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<p>Yes. But that is not a special case. It's that Noble One's conciseness is at highest level.</p>
<p>Here is the general theory.</p>
<p>Below are the interaction combinations.</p>
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<li>1st person is bad + 2nd person is bad</li>
<li>1st person is good + 2nd person is bad</li>
<li>1st person is bad + 2nd person is good</li>
<li>1st person is good + 2nd person is good</li>
</ol>
<p>Consider 1st person as the one who revile.</p>
<p>Then,</p>
<p>1 and 4th combinations won't produce one sided results(one getting very bad karma).( that's because both are equal).</p>
<p><strong>3rd will produce baddest karma for 1st person. That's because 2nd person is a great person.</strong></p>
<p>2nd will produce, as 1st person getting little karma and 2nd getting big karma.(not big as 3rd combination).</p>
<p>This is the reason for <code>who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell</code>. Noble one has grate conciseness. So it become a reason for generating very bad karma for one who revile.</p>
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<p>Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?</p>
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<p>In theory, yes.</p>

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2024-04-21T18:07:12.940Z
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Pycm
<p>Sure. But they wouldn't risk much here in regard of touch Noble Ones, or? Even a fault couldn't be expected here, as not possible to trace it an area of Upasaka, Upasika, for the most.</p>
<p>How ever, even if a Noble One would act wrongly toward another, such would block his progress as long as not pardoned, brought to be solved again.</p>
<p><em>[Note that this isn't given for stacks, exchange, other world-binding trades, but for an escape frim this wheel]</em></p>

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2020-11-11T11:44:37.283Z
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Samana Johann
<p>I recall reading the Buddhist scriptures say those who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell.</p>
<p>Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?</p>

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2024-04-21T13:02:42.490Z
@user66697 Maybe better post an answer than a comment -- if you'd like to answer -- even if a question about "the precise working out of kamma" might be difficult to answer! Also "Noble" might refer to any of the "4 stages of enlightenment", i.e. not only "arhats".
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What is the destination of unenlightened monk reviling Noble Layperson?
# What is the destination of unenlightened monk reviling Noble Layperson?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-11-11)

I recall reading the Buddhist scriptures say those who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell.

Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?

**Tags:** karma, mara, evil, vipaka

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: @user66697 Maybe better post an answer than a comment -- if you'd like to answer -- even if a question about "the precise working out of kamma" might be difficult to answer! Also "Noble" might refer to any of the "4 stages of enlightenment", i.e. not only "arhats".  

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### Answer by username_3 on 2020-11-11. Score: 0 | Accepted answer

Sure. But they wouldn't risk much here in regard of touch Noble Ones, or? Even a fault couldn't be expected here, as not possible to trace it an area of Upasaka, Upasika, for the most.

How ever, even if a Noble One would act wrongly toward another, such would block his progress as long as not pardoned, brought to be solved again.

*[Note that this isn't given for stacks, exchange, other world-binding trades, but for an escape frim this wheel]*


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### Answer by username_2 on 2024-04-21. Score: 1

> I recall reading the Buddhist scriptures say those who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell.
>
> Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?

Yes. But that is not a special case. It's that Noble One's conciseness is at highest level.

Here is the general theory.

Below are the interaction combinations.

1. 1st person is bad + 2nd person is bad
2. 1st person is good + 2nd person is bad
3. 1st person is bad + 2nd person is good
4. 1st person is good + 2nd person is good

Consider 1st person as the one who revile.

Then,

1 and 4th combinations won't produce one sided results(one getting very bad karma).( that's because both are equal).

**3rd will produce baddest karma for 1st person. That's because 2nd person is a great person.**

2nd will produce, as 1st person getting little karma and 2nd getting big karma.(not big as 3rd combination).

This is the reason for `who revile Noble Ones are reborn in hell`. Noble one has grate conciseness. So it become a reason for generating very bad karma for one who revile.

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> Does this also apply to an unenlightened (puthujjana) monk that reviles a Noble Layperson?

In theory, yes.


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