<p><strong>Shroud has no effect on targeting abilities on the stack.</strong></p>
<p>Shroud is defined in <a href="https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Shroud" rel="noreferrer">rule 702.18a</a>:</p>
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<p>Shroud is a static ability. “Shroud” means “This permanent or player can’t be the target of spells or abilities.”</p>
</blockquote>
<p>The triggered ability on the stack is a separate object from the permanent that has shroud, so the ability can be targeted.</p>

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<p>suppose <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karlach%2C%20Fury%20of%20Avernus">Karlach, Fury of Avernus</a> (with <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves">Lightning Greaves</a>), triggers:</p>
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<p>untap all attacking creatures. They gain first strike until end of turn. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase</p>
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<p>in response, <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Voidslime">Voidslime</a> to</p>
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<p>counter target triggered ability</p>
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<p>Question is: does the shroud of the source permanent extend to spells &amp; abilities on the stack or can this just be countered?</p>

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Can a triggered ability of a permanent with shroud be targeted?
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# Can a triggered ability of a permanent with shroud be targeted?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2024-04-02)

suppose [Karlach, Fury of Avernus](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Karlach%2C%20Fury%20of%20Avernus) (with [Lightning Greaves](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Lightning%20Greaves)), triggers:

> untap all attacking creatures. They gain first strike until end of turn. After this phase, there is an additional combat phase

in response, [Voidslime](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Voidslime) to

> counter target triggered ability

Question is: does the shroud of the source permanent extend to spells & abilities on the stack or can this just be countered?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2024-04-02. Score: 9 | Accepted answer

**Shroud has no effect on targeting abilities on the stack.**

Shroud is defined in [rule 702.18a](https://mtg.fandom.com/wiki/Shroud):

> Shroud is a static ability. “Shroud” means “This permanent or player can’t be the target of spells or abilities.”

The triggered ability on the stack is a separate object from the permanent that has shroud, so the ability can be targeted.


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