<p>It wasn't in the rules pdf, but it was within the <a href="http://www.cheapass.com/bpu/butnrulz.html" rel="nofollow">online rule book</a>.</p>

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  <p>If all the dice are matched, the round is a draw. If one player has more dice than the other, and all the dice which can be tied for low are tied, then the player who has more dice goes first.</p>
</blockquote>

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<p>If Iago faces Changeling, and their results are:</p>

<ul>
<li>Iago: 1, 1, 1, 1</li>
<li>Changeling: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1</li>
</ul>

<p><a href="http://www.cheapass.com/freegames/buttonmen">The rules</a> say the following (emphasis mine):</p>

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  <p><strong>To Begin:</strong> Roll all of your fighter’s dice, and arrange your dice so they can be easily read. Players will now take turns. Whoever rolled the <strong>single lowest number</strong> will go first. If the lowest dice are tied, compare the next lowest dice, and so on until a starting player is determined. If all <strong>numbers</strong> are tied, the game is a draw.</p>
</blockquote>

<p>What is unclear, is what happens when the characters have differing numbers of dice to compare.</p>

<ul>
<li><p><em>Is it a draw?</em> Since you can't <strong>compare</strong> a die number to a non-existent die.</p></li>
<li><p><em>Does Iago go first?</em> Since an empty die (null die) has a value of zero.</p></li>
<li><p><em>Does Changeling go first?</em> Since they are the only character with a next lowest die, and all numbers are not tied.</p></li>
</ul>

<p>I am leaning towards it being a draw, because you can't compare dice with a character that doesn't have a, "next lowest die" to compare. Has there been an official ruling in a FAQ, or in Tournament Rules? Maybe no one has ever had this happen and the question has never come up (it only happens 1 in 100+ million times)?</p>

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If two fighter's dice all come up with the same numbers, but one character rolls fewer dice, who goes first?
user1873
# If two fighter's dice all come up with the same numbers, but one character rolls fewer dice, who goes first?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2012-02-19)

If Iago faces Changeling, and their results are:

* Iago: 1, 1, 1, 1
* Changeling: 1, 1, 1, 1, 1

[The rules](http://www.cheapass.com/freegames/buttonmen) say the following (emphasis mine):

> **To Begin:** Roll all of your fighter’s dice, and arrange your dice so they can be easily read. Players will now take turns. Whoever rolled the **single lowest number** will go first. If the lowest dice are tied, compare the next lowest dice, and so on until a starting player is determined. If all **numbers** are tied, the game is a draw.

What is unclear, is what happens when the characters have differing numbers of dice to compare.

* *Is it a draw?* Since you can't **compare** a die number to a non-existent die.
* *Does Iago go first?* Since an empty die (null die) has a value of zero.
* *Does Changeling go first?* Since they are the only character with a next lowest die, and all numbers are not tied.

I am leaning towards it being a draw, because you can't compare dice with a character that doesn't have a, "next lowest die" to compare. Has there been an official ruling in a FAQ, or in Tournament Rules? Maybe no one has ever had this happen and the question has never come up (it only happens 1 in 100+ million times)?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2012-02-26. Score: 3 | Accepted answer

It wasn't in the rules pdf, but it was within the [online rule book](http://www.cheapass.com/bpu/butnrulz.html).

> If all the dice are matched, the round is a draw. If one player has more dice than the other, and all the dice which can be tied for low are tied, then the player who has more dice goes first.


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