<p>From that same page (emphasis mine):</p>

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  <p>Creatures turned face down by Ixidron are 2/2 creatures with no text, no name, <b>no subtypes</b>, no expansion symbol, and no mana cost.</p>
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<p>"Creature type" is a shorthand for a creature-specific subtype (205.3m in the Comprehensive Rules). Face-down creatures have no creature type, so Coat of Arms does not affect them.</p>

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2014-09-22T17:30:47.573Z
So, you are essentially saying that **Coat of Arms** specifically effects only subtypes and since it only gets a base type of **creature** then it has no subtype and therefore coat of arms doesn't work on it?
dphil
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2014-09-22T17:33:40.173Z
@dphil: Correct. Creature types are a subtype.
Free Monica Cellio
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2014-09-22T17:37:36.940Z
@dphil, "Creature type" is short for "creature subtype", of which Sliver is an example.
ikegami
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2014-09-22T19:11:43.573Z
The shorthand is codified in comprehensive rule 205.3m *Creatures and tribals share their lists of subtypes; these subtypes are called creature types*
ghoppe
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2014-09-22T23:44:24.900Z
@ChadMiller It might be good to reference that shortcut, and state in your answer that 'creature type' refers to certain subtypes.
doppelgreener
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2014-09-23T18:32:37.017Z
You guys are allowed to edit, you know. But will do. ;)
Free Monica Cellio
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2014-09-22T17:26:30.027Z
2014-09-23T18:36:28.247Z
2014-09-23T18:36:28.247Z
Free Monica Cellio
<p>I was playing a Sliver deck vs a co-worker today, and he played an illusion deck with <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ixidron">Ixidron</a>. I was having a hard time grasping how <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coat%20of%20Arms">Coat of Arms</a> would work with Ixidron turning everything face down.</p>
<p>Ixidron basically says all face-down cards are creatures. Is creature a type that Coat of Arms would be pairing with and make everything huge, or would coat of arms essentially do nothing to all of those face down cards?</p>

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What effect does Coat of Arms have on face-down creatures?
dphil
# What effect does Coat of Arms have on face-down creatures?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2014-09-22)

I was playing a Sliver deck vs a co-worker today, and he played an illusion deck with [Ixidron](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Ixidron). I was having a hard time grasping how [Coat of Arms](https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=Coat%20of%20Arms) would work with Ixidron turning everything face down.

Ixidron basically says all face-down cards are creatures. Is creature a type that Coat of Arms would be pairing with and make everything huge, or would coat of arms essentially do nothing to all of those face down cards?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2014-09-22. Score: 9 | Accepted answer

From that same page (emphasis mine):

> Creatures turned face down by Ixidron are 2/2 creatures with no text, no name, **no subtypes**, no expansion symbol, and no mana cost.

"Creature type" is a shorthand for a creature-specific subtype (205.3m in the Comprehensive Rules). Face-down creatures have no creature type, so Coat of Arms does not affect them.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: So, you are essentially saying that **Coat of Arms** specifically effects only subtypes and since it only gets a base type of **creature** then it has no subtype and therefore coat of arms doesn't work on it?  
> **username_1**: @username_0: Correct. Creature types are a subtype.  
> **username_2**: @username_0, "Creature type" is short for "creature subtype", of which Sliver is an example.  
> **username_3**: The shorthand is codified in comprehensive rule 205.3m *Creatures and tribals share their lists of subtypes; these subtypes are called creature types*  
> **username_4**: @ChadMiller It might be good to reference that shortcut, and state in your answer that 'creature type' refers to certain subtypes.  
> **username_1**: You guys are allowed to edit, you know. But will do. ;)  

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