<p>The deuce of club and hearts do not considered a spade in the <strong>standard game,</strong> however there are variants where they do.</p>
<p>From <a href="https://www.pagat.com/auctionwhist/spades.html" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Pagat</a>:</p>
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<p>In some versions of Spades, some or all of the four <strong>twos are elevated to the top of the spade suit</strong>, are ranked in some specified order, and are considered to be spades. The rest of the cards rank as in normal.</p>
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<p>For example, in the <em>New York City rules</em> the trump suit ranks is as follows: <code>big joker, small joker, 2♦, 2♠, A, K, Q, J, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3</code></p>
<p>In the <em>Deuces high</em> rules the trump suit is is as follows:<code>2♠, 2♦, 2♣ 2♡, A, K, Q, J, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3</code></p>
<p>Those variants are pretty common, and are implemented for example at AI-factory's <a href="https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.aifactory.spadesfree&amp;hl=en&amp;pli=1" rel="nofollow noreferrer">Spades free</a> app.</p>

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Cohensius
<p>Like any game, Spades has a lot of variations. Long unnecessary story short, I've moved A LOT. 48 states, 6 provinces, dozens of cities in Mexico...
I like to play cards, it seems to dissolve borders. Anyway...</p>
<p>When I learned to play as a kid in Syracuse NY.  Rank of cards from highest to lowest was:
Big Joker, Little Joker, 2 H, 2 C, 2 D, 2 S, A S, --- 3 S.
3 H, and 3 C weren't used.
Total number of tricks remained the same, but total number of spades was 18 instead of 13.</p>
<p>Since then, I've played a bunch of variations from &quot;no nil bid allowed&quot; &quot;max 5 bid/hand&quot; &quot;reneg&quot; &quot;forced blind when -200&quot; &quot;2 D, and 2 S were trump behind the jokers&quot; &quot;jokers high then A S --- 2 S&quot; and any number of combinations of these rules.</p>
<p>The &quot;original&quot; rules without the jokers and only the 13 spades as trump is probably the most common across the US as a whole. Maybe not the way they'd usually play, but they're familiar with this way most often.</p>
<p>Apples and Oranges, though.  They're really different games.  The mechanics are different, the tracking becomes a little more challenging, and the game seems to be less predictable.  Just like with Hearts, spades gets to be a little mechanical and repetitious, but the additional 5 trump cards make it a little less so.</p>
<p>Best practice with any game is to make sure you all know the rules BEFORE the situation presents itself unless you're all very patient :-)</p>

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Andy V
<p>In Spades, is a deuce of clubs/hearts considered a spade?  I played with some people that argued they consider their suit to be spade.</p>

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2020-07-06T20:58:10.980Z
Why would it be considered a spade? As far as I am aware it can't take a trick unless everyone is out of both clubs and spades and depending on the rules the 2 of clubs should be the first card played so that will never happen.
Joe W
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@JoeW, the rule: "2 of clubs should be the first card played".  is a Hearts rule, it is not common in Spades.
Cohensius
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@Cohensius Yes and I did say it was depending on the rules that it was played first and I mentioned that as a side note as in some cases it will be the first card played.
Joe W
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In spades, is a deuce of clubs considered a spade?
Dejanelle B
# In spades, is a deuce of clubs considered a spade?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-07-06)

In Spades, is a deuce of clubs/hearts considered a spade? I played with some people that argued they consider their suit to be spade.

**Tags:** variants, spades

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Why would it be considered a spade? As far as I am aware it can't take a trick unless everyone is out of both clubs and spades and depending on the rules the 2 of clubs should be the first card played so that will never happen.  
> **username_2**: @JoeW, the rule: "2 of clubs should be the first card played".  is a Hearts rule, it is not common in Spades.  
> **username_1**: @username_2 Yes and I did say it was depending on the rules that it was played first and I mentioned that as a side note as in some cases it will be the first card played.  

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_2 on 2020-07-07. Score: 10

The deuce of club and hearts do not considered a spade in the **standard game,** however there are variants where they do.

From [Pagat](https://www.pagat.com/auctionwhist/spades.html):

> In some versions of Spades, some or all of the four **twos are elevated to the top of the spade suit**, are ranked in some specified order, and are considered to be spades. The rest of the cards rank as in normal.

For example, in the *New York City rules* the trump suit ranks is as follows: `big joker, small joker, 2♦, 2♠, A, K, Q, J, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3`

In the *Deuces high* rules the trump suit is is as follows:`2♠, 2♦, 2♣ 2♡, A, K, Q, J, 10, 9, 8, 7, 6, 5, 4, 3`

Those variants are pretty common, and are implemented for example at AI-factory's [Spades free](https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=uk.co.aifactory.spadesfree&hl=en&pli=1) app.


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### Answer by username_3 on 2021-01-31. Score: 1

Like any game, Spades has a lot of variations. Long unnecessary story short, I've moved A LOT. 48 states, 6 provinces, dozens of cities in Mexico...
I like to play cards, it seems to dissolve borders. Anyway...

When I learned to play as a kid in Syracuse NY. Rank of cards from highest to lowest was:
Big Joker, Little Joker, 2 H, 2 C, 2 D, 2 S, A S, --- 3 S.
3 H, and 3 C weren't used.
Total number of tricks remained the same, but total number of spades was 18 instead of 13.

Since then, I've played a bunch of variations from "no nil bid allowed" "max 5 bid/hand" "reneg" "forced blind when -200" "2 D, and 2 S were trump behind the jokers" "jokers high then A S --- 2 S" and any number of combinations of these rules.

The "original" rules without the jokers and only the 13 spades as trump is probably the most common across the US as a whole. Maybe not the way they'd usually play, but they're familiar with this way most often.

Apples and Oranges, though. They're really different games. The mechanics are different, the tracking becomes a little more challenging, and the game seems to be less predictable. Just like with Hearts, spades gets to be a little mechanical and repetitious, but the additional 5 trump cards make it a little less so.

Best practice with any game is to make sure you all know the rules BEFORE the situation presents itself unless you're all very patient :-)


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