<p>Humility sets the <em>base</em> power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.</p>
<p>The <a href="https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt" rel="noreferrer">relevant rule</a> is 613:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)</p>
<p>613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.</p>
<p>613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.</p>
<p>613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.</p>
<p>613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, &quot;Counters.&quot;</p>
<p>613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a <a href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4300" rel="noreferrer">2/2 Grizzly Bears</a>.</p>
<p>Layer 7b (note the use of &quot;base power and toughness&quot; in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.</p>
<p>Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.</p>

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2019-03-13T15:05:21.410Z
And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.
Taemyr
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2019-03-13T15:08:02.247Z
@Taemyr unless [Opalescence](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opalescence) is also on the battlefield ...
Glorfindel
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2019-03-13T15:09:10.847Z
So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?
corsiKa
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2019-03-13T15:10:03.247Z
@corsiKa No.  Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.
Taemyr
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2019-03-13T15:12:48.900Z
Oh wow, of course.
corsiKa
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2019-03-13T15:15:21.957Z
@corsiKa try [Ethereal Absolution](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=457314).
Glorfindel
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2019-03-13T15:51:08.547Z
@Glorfindel bonus points for the nonbo of creating spirit <strike>flying</strike> tokens!
corsiKa
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2019-03-13T15:52:20.927Z
Who needs flying if your opponent has no creatures to block with? [Oh, wait...](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=moat)
Glorfindel
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2019-03-14T08:26:44.767Z
@Glorfindel Great synergy between Humility and Moat.
JollyJoker
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2019-03-14T11:39:44.887Z
Then play Living Plane and watch your opponent scoop....
fireshark519
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Glorfindel
<p>What happens with multiple copies of <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bHumility%5d">Humility</a> and <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bGlorious%20Anthem%5d">Glorious Anthem</a>? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1/+1, or +2/+2 or  are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything? </p>

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2019-03-13T12:36:12.753Z
can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?
Nicolas Rudisky
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2019-03-13T12:47:01.377Z
Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield *before* either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).
Glorfindel
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2019-03-13T15:24:22.897Z
@Glorfindel Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.
Acccumulation
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2019-03-13T15:25:47.763Z
@Acccumulation it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...
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What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem on the battlefield?
Nicolas Rudisky
# What happens with multiple copies of Humility and Glorious Anthem on the battlefield?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2019-03-13)

What happens with multiple copies of [Humility](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bHumility%5d) and [Glorious Anthem](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bGlorious%20Anthem%5d)? For example, I have 2 copies of each of them; creatures are 1/1, plus +1/+1, or +2/+2 or are they going to be just 1/1? Does the order that they come to the battlefield affect anything?

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> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: can i ask also waht happend if we add night of soul's' betrayal to the formula?  
> **username_1**: Your opponent's creatures will die, for your creatures it'll cancel out the effects of one Anthem. You don't have to worry about the -1/-1 somehow being applied first and creatures dying before the +1/+1 from the Anthem can save them. (Of course, the Anthem needs to be on the battlefield *before* either Humility or Night of Soul's Betrayal (or both)).  
> **username_2**: @username_1 Remember to mention the person you're replying to. As it stands, it looks like you're replying to the main question and saying that Humility somehow gives -1/-1.  
> **username_1**: @username_2 it's the author of the question, so that wouldn't help...  

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2019-03-13. Score: 17 | Accepted answer

Humility sets the *base* power and toughness to 1/1 for all creatures. Glorious Anthem, and other effects like +1/+1 counters are still applied on top of the base power and toughness, so (barring other effects), with one or more Humilities and two Glorious Anthems on the battlefield, your creatures will be 3/3s.

The [relevant rule](https://media.wizards.com/2019/downloads/MagicCompRules%2020190125.txt) is 613:

> 613.3. Within layer 7, apply effects in a series of sublayers in the order described below. Within each sublayer, apply effects in timestamp order. (See rule 613.6.) Note that dependency may alter the order in which effects are applied within a sublayer. (See rule 613.7.)
>
> 613.3a Layer 7a: Effects from characteristic-defining abilities that define power and/or toughness are applied. See rule 604.3.
>
> 613.3b Layer 7b: Effects that set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value are applied. Effects that refer to the base power and/or toughness of a creature apply in this layer.
>
> 613.3c Layer 7c: Effects that modify power and/or toughness (but don't set power and/or toughness to a specific number or value) are applied.
>
> 613.3d Layer 7d: Power and/or toughness changes from counters are applied. See rule 121, "Counters."
>
> 613.3e Layer 7e: Effects that switch a creature's power and toughness are applied. Such effects take the value of power and apply it to the creature's toughness, and take the value of toughness and apply it to the creature's power.

Layer 7a is the creature's power and toughness as it's printed on the card, say a [2/2 Grizzly Bears](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=4300).

Layer 7b (note the use of "base power and toughness" in the rules) is where Humility comes into play, it makes it a 1/1.

Layer 7c is Glorious Anthem's layer, if you have two of them both apply and the 1/1 becomes a 3/3.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: And of course the +1/+1 ability is an ability of the enchantment and is therefore not removed by humility.  
> **username_1**: @username_3 unless [Opalescence](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=opalescence) is also on the battlefield ...  
> **username_4**: So does this mean, in effect, Humility + Elish Norn = no creatures for opponents?  
> **username_3**: @username_4 No.  Humility removes the abilities of Elesh Norn.  
> **username_4**: Oh wow, of course.  
> **username_1**: @username_4 try [Ethereal Absolution](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=457314).  
> **username_4**: @username_1 bonus points for the nonbo of creating spirit <strike>flying</strike> tokens!  
> **username_1**: Who needs flying if your opponent has no creatures to block with? [Oh, wait...](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=moat)  
> **username_5**: @username_1 Great synergy between Humility and Moat.  
> **username_6**: Then play Living Plane and watch your opponent scoop....  

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