<p>Here are two auctions that aggressive bidders could use to reach a small slam, using common methods in a 2/1 base system:</p>
<pre><code>W    E
     1NT | 15-17
2H   2S  | transfer to spades; acceptance
4S   5C  | mild slam try; club control
5D   6S  | diamond control; everything's covered
</code></pre>
<p>For pairs that play Texas transfers, a 2-level transfer followed by a jump to game is a mild slam try with a 6-card suit. W chose to make a mild slam try with excellent controls; this was a bit aggressive. E has a control-rich maximum with good trumps, so is clearly right to bid on.</p>
<pre><code>W    E
     1C  | E chooses to upgrade
1S   2NT | 4+S, 6+pts; 18-19 bal, 2-3S
3D   3S  | Some kind of checkback; 3 spades
4D   4NT | Control bid; key card ask
5H   6S  | 2 w/o the trump queen; just off the queen
</code></pre>
<p>Here, E has been the aggressive bidder, while W has bid normally. 3D may be part of new minor forcing or Wolff signoff, both of which use 3D to ask about opener's major-suit holdings. After the fit was found, W showed a diamond control and denied a club control. E, having the other two suits controlled, checked on key cards and placed the contract.</p>
<p>Note that both of these auctions are quite aggressive though not outside the realm of reason.</p>
<p>As noted in Joe's answer, the grand is quite bad. It requires picking up the spade suit (two-two with split honors, half of QJ tights, and half of stiff honors is about 47% a priori) <em>and</em> avoiding a club loser (hearts are stiff J, Jx, or Jxx in either hand, about 61% a priori, or a small chance of a stiff club honor in the hand with short hearts to provide the opportunity for a squeeze). You can't quite just multiply the a priori odds to get the probability of both things coming home, but you wouldn't be far wrong if you said that the grand is something like 25%.</p>

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Quick explanation of the spade calculation: The idea is that you cash one of your top honors. If both defenders follow low or the player under your remaining tenace played an honor, you cash the other top honor. This picks up all split honors and half of QJ tight, 5/6 of 41%. If the player over your remaining tenace played an honor, finesse the second round (1/4 of 50%).
ruds
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Your first auction is impossible - 4S -> 4C.  West also doesn't really have a slam try - max 28 points and a terrible spade suit plus wasted AK doubleton of diamonds.  And why would East upgrade?  17 4-4-3-2?  These auctions just go to show how terrible of a choice it would be to go for that slam using normal bidding techniques.
Joe
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(Edited to fix the first auction)
Joe
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Thanks for fixing 4C->5C in the first auction. As mentioned, these auctions are aggressive. As for whether west has a (mild) slam try, here are some hands for E that lead to good or excellent slams: Kxxx Ax QJxx AJx; KJx Ax Qxxxx AKx; KQx AQx xxx KQJx; QJxx AKx QJxx Ax. As for E upgrading to a 2NT rebid, I would not but devotees of K&R evaluation might, as that system rates this hand as 18.3. Certainly it's a better hand than many 18 counts I could name with connected honors, good spots, and more aces and kings than quacks.
ruds
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<p>The answer is; you don’t.  Not with normal 2/1 methods, anyway; and even pretty out there methods would have a hard time finding this.</p>
<p>Why?  Because it’s dependent on so many things. The seven card heart fit AND the short jack. The spades splitting 2-2, or guessing the finesse.  The partnership has only eight top tricks, and the rest depend on distribution. In NT even a small slam is risky if you get a club lead!  No one would bid the grand knowing even every card in both hands for EW - you need 70% to bid a grand and you won’t get that here (hearts are 61% and spades are 46% roughly between the length and the finesse possibilities, so the grand is about 30-35%, plus some small chance for a club trick with a squeeze).  6S is probably the ideal bid double dummy (only the spade split is really a problem there, hearts don’t matter, and extra chances appear in clubs).</p>
<p>A normal 2/1 auction is simple here.</p>
<p>1NT - p - 2H - p
2S - p - 4S - pass out</p>
<p>Some would bid 3NT instead of 4S, and some would leave it there.  Some have ways of showing really good spades (superaccept), though KTx feels borderline to me for that. Could the spade hand see the slam?  I guess?  But 28 points and pretty average distribution beyond the one extra spade isn’t super exciting.</p>
<p>Some bidding systems are very control oriented very early on, for what it’s worth, and would find most or all of the eight trucks in the early going plus the space fit.  Things like <a href="https://www.bridgehands.com/C/Control_Asking_Bid.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">this precision system</a> would have a shot at the small slam I think.</p>
<p>Don’t assume that the few hands that bid the best score did so by being smarter than everyone else. Usually it’s that they were more risk-taking than usual, or misstated the strength of their hands, and got lucky. But for every top they get for this kind of thing they get four or five bottoms when they’re down 2 in grand slam and everyone else is making 4S+1.</p>

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Playing SAYC or other SA varients the auction eould be much the same. Anyone eho bids the grand i won't be playing eith in future, Even bidding 6 is overbidding on these hands.
David Siegel
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A Club lead is dangerous for the Defense as it risks transferring the Club control and setting up the Heart-Club simple squeeze for Declarer. That's a bad idea particularly when Defenders suspect the slam is a stretch. There's few things worse than for opponents to stretch to an unmakeable slam - and then you find the only lead to let it make.
Forget I was ever here
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I think you have overestimated the grand considerably. https://www.bridgehands.com/S/Suit_Combination_3.htm has spades at 46% and https://www.bridgehands.com/S/Suit_Combination_1.htm has hearts at 61% taken independently. You have small additional chances from a club-heart squeeze when a stiff club honor is paired with shorter hearts (along with Hxx, Hx, or H in spades, so at least seven diamonds).
ruds
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@ruds Probably; I was just making a very rough estimate (the kind most players would be able to make at the table).
Joe
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@ruds Edited to reflect that, though - either way, point is Grand is a bad choice. :)
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<p>As others are saying, it's a 5-or-7 hand; if you can pick up the spade suit (which has some luck involved in real life when it's 3-1 with stiff honour than double-dummy) you make everything when the heart J drops in three rounds; if you can't pick up the spade suit, the club lead will mean you lose two tricks.  5-or-7 hands are the ones you never want to see; if you missed slam, you want it to fail, because if it makes, you're losing to all the slam bidders; if you're in slam, if it fails, you get an almost shared zero.  And in the case where the spades are Qxx-J (or Jxx-Q), it's even more fun, because now everyone who plays the wrong top honour loses to everyone who played the right one (and then plays Restricted Choice, which is 3-1 here) - in game or slam.</p>
<p>Having said that, I'm not surprised that slam was few and far between, and I agree with other answers that those in the grand almost certainly got there on a bad auction (probably using 4NT &quot;we might have slam, partner&quot;, and then 5NT &quot;we have all the aces, so I have to find out how many kings&quot;, then bidding the grand missing one (was the long suit not mentioned?)  Keycard would have found the missing Q, and definitely bidding seven off the trump Q and a K is a bad idea.</p>
<p>Having said that, these hands are what strong club systems were built for; assuming no interference (and I wouldn't guarantee that, either hand), mine would likely go:</p>
<p>1C-1H; 16+any, 17+if BAL - GF, 5+spades<br>
1S-2H; Agrees spades, control ask - 5 (AAK or AKKK, has to be AAK as I have two kings)<br>
2S-3H; Trump ask - 6 to one top honour (has to be the A, so we're off the Q)<br>
4C-4H; Club ask - third round control, so no A or K in clubs, so DAK, which covers my doubleton)<br>
6S-p.  5 spades, 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a club; hope I can pick up one of (SQ, CK, HJ).</p>

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Note: I always find it amusing when we have auctions like this - where responder bids hearts 4 times, bu never saying anything *about* hearts!
Mycroft
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<p>First of all, there is no reasonable way to bid &quot;seven&quot; with these hands. One test is that only 3 pairs out of 1000 did it; the other test is in the last paragraph below. So the issue of bidding &quot;slam&quot; really refers to a small slam of &quot;six.&quot;</p>
<p>As it were, a &quot;random&quot; nine card fit with 28 high card points is about <a href="http://www.rpbridge.net/8j25.htm" rel="nofollow noreferrer">&quot;even money&quot;</a> to make a small slam. There are several important features of these two hands that make the actual odds decidedly better than 50-50.</p>
<ol>
<li><p>There are all four aces and three kings between them. They have first round control of all four suits and two round control of three out of four. (Also, because of the power of the trumps, aces and kings are worth more than their &quot;Work&quot; point values at suit contracts.)</p>
</li>
<li><p>The two hands have three doubletons, that work well with the two round controls and thus provide additional ruffing value.</p>
</li>
</ol>
<p>The two hands could actually make seven, because it was possible to drop the opposing jack of hearts, either with an opposing 3-3 split, or having the jack on the short side of 4-2 or 5-1 split. This is slightly better than a 50-50 chance, but not good enough odds on which to stake a grand slam. For this, you actually need two chances out of three (e.g. a 3-2 split in your key suit), because you lose both a game and a small slam bonus if you bid a grand slam and fail.</p>

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<p>The Common Game recently had this board in which the East-West pair usually ended up bidding and making a game contract of 3NT or 4 spades. Only 3 pairs of almost 1,000 bid and made grand slams; 42 pairs bid and made small slams. The question is, &quot;How would you bid a slam with this hand?&quot;</p>

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How to bid and make a slam with 28 HCP between the partnership?
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# How to bid and make a slam with 28 HCP between the partnership?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2020-11-03)

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The Common Game recently had this board in which the East-West pair usually ended up bidding and making a game contract of 3NT or 4 spades. Only 3 pairs of almost 1,000 bid and made grand slams; 42 pairs bid and made small slams. The question is, "How would you bid a slam with this hand?"

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## 4 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2020-11-03. Score: 3

Here are two auctions that aggressive bidders could use to reach a small slam, using common methods in a 2/1 base system:
W    E
     1NT | 15-17
2H   2S  | transfer to spades; acceptance
4S   5C  | mild slam try; club control
5D   6S  | diamond control; everything's covered

For pairs that play Texas transfers, a 2-level transfer followed by a jump to game is a mild slam try with a 6-card suit. W chose to make a mild slam try with excellent controls; this was a bit aggressive. E has a control-rich maximum with good trumps, so is clearly right to bid on.
W    E
     1C  | E chooses to upgrade
1S   2NT | 4+S, 6+pts; 18-19 bal, 2-3S
3D   3S  | Some kind of checkback; 3 spades
4D   4NT | Control bid; key card ask
5H   6S  | 2 w/o the trump queen; just off the queen

Here, E has been the aggressive bidder, while W has bid normally. 3D may be part of new minor forcing or Wolff signoff, both of which use 3D to ask about opener's major-suit holdings. After the fit was found, W showed a diamond control and denied a club control. E, having the other two suits controlled, checked on key cards and placed the contract.
Note that both of these auctions are quite aggressive though not outside the realm of reason.
As noted in username_2's answer, the grand is quite bad. It requires picking up the spade suit (two-two with split honors, half of QJ tights, and half of stiff honors is about 47% a priori) and avoiding a club loser (hearts are stiff J, Jx, or Jxx in either hand, about 61% a priori, or a small chance of a stiff club honor in the hand with short hearts to provide the opportunity for a squeeze). You can't quite just multiply the a priori odds to get the probability of both things coming home, but you wouldn't be far wrong if you said that the grand is something like 25%.

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: Quick explanation of the spade calculation: The idea is that you cash one of your top honors. If both defenders follow low or the player under your remaining tenace played an honor, you cash the other top honor. This picks up all split honors and half of QJ tight, 5/6 of 41%. If the player over your remaining tenace played an honor, finesse the second round (1/4 of 50%).  
> **username_2**: Your first auction is impossible - 4S -> 4C.  West also doesn't really have a slam try - max 28 points and a terrible spade suit plus wasted AK doubleton of diamonds.  And why would East upgrade?  17 4-4-3-2?  These auctions just go to show how terrible of a choice it would be to go for that slam using normal bidding techniques.  
> **username_2**: (Edited to fix the first auction)  
> **username_1**: Thanks for fixing 4C->5C in the first auction. As mentioned, these auctions are aggressive. As for whether west has a (mild) slam try, here are some hands for E that lead to good or excellent slams: Kxxx Ax QJxx AJx; KJx Ax Qxxxx AKx; KQx AQx xxx KQJx; QJxx AKx QJxx Ax. As for E upgrading to a 2NT rebid, I would not but devotees of K&R evaluation might, as that system rates this hand as 18.3. Certainly it's a better hand than many 18 counts I could name with connected honors, good spots, and more aces and kings than quacks.  

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### Answer by username_2 on 2020-11-03. Score: 3

The answer is; you don’t. Not with normal 2/1 methods, anyway; and even pretty out there methods would have a hard time finding this.

Why? Because it’s dependent on so many things. The seven card heart fit AND the short jack. The spades splitting 2-2, or guessing the finesse. The partnership has only eight top tricks, and the rest depend on distribution. In NT even a small slam is risky if you get a club lead! No one would bid the grand knowing even every card in both hands for EW - you need 70% to bid a grand and you won’t get that here (hearts are 61% and spades are 46% roughly between the length and the finesse possibilities, so the grand is about 30-35%, plus some small chance for a club trick with a squeeze). 6S is probably the ideal bid double dummy (only the spade split is really a problem there, hearts don’t matter, and extra chances appear in clubs).

A normal 2/1 auction is simple here.

1NT - p - 2H - p
2S - p - 4S - pass out

Some would bid 3NT instead of 4S, and some would leave it there. Some have ways of showing really good spades (superaccept), though KTx feels borderline to me for that. Could the spade hand see the slam? I guess? But 28 points and pretty average distribution beyond the one extra spade isn’t super exciting.

Some bidding systems are very control oriented very early on, for what it’s worth, and would find most or all of the eight trucks in the early going plus the space fit. Things like [this precision system](https://www.bridgehands.com/C/Control_Asking_Bid.htm) would have a shot at the small slam I think.

Don’t assume that the few hands that bid the best score did so by being smarter than everyone else. Usually it’s that they were more risk-taking than usual, or misstated the strength of their hands, and got lucky. But for every top they get for this kind of thing they get four or five bottoms when they’re down 2 in grand slam and everyone else is making 4S+1.

> **Comments:**
> **username_3**: Playing SAYC or other SA varients the auction eould be much the same. Anyone eho bids the grand i won't be playing eith in future, Even bidding 6 is overbidding on these hands.  
> **username_4**: A Club lead is dangerous for the Defense as it risks transferring the Club control and setting up the Heart-Club simple squeeze for Declarer. That's a bad idea particularly when Defenders suspect the slam is a stretch. There's few things worse than for opponents to stretch to an unmakeable slam - and then you find the only lead to let it make.  
> **username_1**: I think you have overestimated the grand considerably. https://www.bridgehands.com/S/Suit_Combination_3.htm has spades at 46% and https://www.bridgehands.com/S/Suit_Combination_1.htm has hearts at 61% taken independently. You have small additional chances from a club-heart squeeze when a stiff club honor is paired with shorter hearts (along with Hxx, Hx, or H in spades, so at least seven diamonds).  
> **username_2**: @username_1 Probably; I was just making a very rough estimate (the kind most players would be able to make at the table).  
> **username_2**: @username_1 Edited to reflect that, though - either way, point is Grand is a bad choice. :)  

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### Answer by username_5 on 2020-11-03. Score: 2

As others are saying, it's a 5-or-7 hand; if you can pick up the spade suit (which has some luck involved in real life when it's 3-1 with stiff honour than double-dummy) you make everything when the heart J drops in three rounds; if you can't pick up the spade suit, the club lead will mean you lose two tricks. 5-or-7 hands are the ones you never want to see; if you missed slam, you want it to fail, because if it makes, you're losing to all the slam bidders; if you're in slam, if it fails, you get an almost shared zero. And in the case where the spades are Qxx-J (or Jxx-Q), it's even more fun, because now everyone who plays the wrong top honour loses to everyone who played the right one (and then plays Restricted Choice, which is 3-1 here) - in game or slam.

Having said that, I'm not surprised that slam was few and far between, and I agree with other answers that those in the grand almost certainly got there on a bad auction (probably using 4NT "we might have slam, partner", and then 5NT "we have all the aces, so I have to find out how many kings", then bidding the grand missing one (was the long suit not mentioned?) Keycard would have found the missing Q, and definitely bidding seven off the trump Q and a K is a bad idea.

Having said that, these hands are what strong club systems were built for; assuming no interference (and I wouldn't guarantee that, either hand), mine would likely go:

1C-1H; 16+any, 17+if BAL - GF, 5+spades  
1S-2H; Agrees spades, control ask - 5 (AAK or AKKK, has to be AAK as I have two kings)  
2S-3H; Trump ask - 6 to one top honour (has to be the A, so we're off the Q)  
4C-4H; Club ask - third round control, so no A or K in clubs, so DAK, which covers my doubleton)  
6S-p. 5 spades, 3 hearts, 2 diamonds and a club; hope I can pick up one of (SQ, CK, HJ).

> **Comments:**
> **username_5**: Note: I always find it amusing when we have auctions like this - where responder bids hearts 4 times, bu never saying anything *about* hearts!  

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### Answer by username_6 on 2022-02-07. Score: 0

First of all, there is no reasonable way to bid "seven" with these hands. One test is that only 3 pairs out of 1000 did it; the other test is in the last paragraph below. So the issue of bidding "slam" really refers to a small slam of "six."

As it were, a "random" nine card fit with 28 high card points is about ["even money"](http://www.rpbridge.net/8j25.htm) to make a small slam. There are several important features of these two hands that make the actual odds decidedly better than 50-50.

1. There are all four aces and three kings between them. They have first round control of all four suits and two round control of three out of four. (Also, because of the power of the trumps, aces and kings are worth more than their "Work" point values at suit contracts.)
2. The two hands have three doubletons, that work well with the two round controls and thus provide additional ruffing value.

The two hands could actually make seven, because it was possible to drop the opposing jack of hearts, either with an opposing 3-3 split, or having the jack on the short side of 4-2 or 5-1 split. This is slightly better than a 50-50 chance, but not good enough odds on which to stake a grand slam. For this, you actually need two chances out of three (e.g. a 3-2 split in your key suit), because you lose both a game and a small slam bonus if you bid a grand slam and fail.


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