<p><em>I'm answering my own question, because no one else cannot read my mind and without it the question is not really answerable. I would delete the question but it already has an answer.</em></p>
<p>Your confusion is stemmed from the fact that you were comparing the digital version cards (which you own) against physical game rules (which you do not have), and because the icons are different in the digital version vs physical one you mixed up &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; and &quot;Cannot Recover&quot;: you thought they were the other way around. Once you realise that, everything falls into places.</p>
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<p>It seems to me that &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; does everything that &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; does and more.</p>
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<p>This is mostly true, but &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; is much more frequent than &quot;Cannot Recover&quot;. These cards go to the Lost pile, you do not get them during your short/long rest, but you still can recover them.</p>
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<p>Why does this card have both icons? What &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; signifies, that &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; does not?</p>
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<p>If the card only had &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; and did not have &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; it would go to the Discard pile, not to the Lost pile. And then you would be able to get it back during you rest, since rest is not the same as &quot;recover&quot;. This was not intention for this cars, so it gets both icons. In fact for most (if not all) cards that have &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; the intention is that this ability is only used once per combat, that's why those cards <em>also</em> have &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; icon.</p>
<p>It could have been possible to print just a single &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; icon on those cards and add a rule that those cards also should be ignored in the Discard pile during rest, but it seems it would only add confusion without providing any real benefit.</p>

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you can remove the question if you want, I don't mind having answered it. And your answer comes down to the same as I said.
J_rite
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@Jungkook SE does not allow (self) removing questions that have answers, I think.
Andrew Savinykh
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I think I did it in the past on an other SE site. Maybe it's not possible anymore.
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Andrew Savinykh
<p>Some cards are lost or consumed when you play them. When you play a normal card it goes into you discard pile and the next round you'll get that card again.</p>
<p>Some card have a one time use ability. After you play that card and use the ability (top or bottom half of the card, in this case the bottom part) that has the icon the card goes into your lost pile. The cards in your lost pile cannot reappear in your hand.</p>
<p>When you take the resting action you can  regain the cards from your discard pile to your draw pile. By resting you put a random card from your draw pile to your lost pile.</p>
<p><a href="https://i.sstatic.net/H9m1B.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/H9m1B.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a></p>
<p>This card lets you regain a card from your lost pile and add it to your discard pile. For doing this you have to sacrifice this card (place it in the lost pile) <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a>. When this card is in your lost pile you cannot recover it, independent of how it ended up in your lost pile <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a>.</p>
<p>So the <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a> icon means that when played you have to place this card in the lost pile and the <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a> icon means you cannot regain this card with a <a href="https://i.sstatic.net/NsjaN.png" rel="nofollow noreferrer"><img src="https://i.sstatic.net/NsjaN.png" alt="enter image description here" /></a> ability, no matter how it ended up on the lost pile (resting, playing or other events).</p>

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Would anything be practically different if the card only had the  "Cannot Recover" icon and not the "Lost or Consumed" icon?
Andrew Savinykh
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"This card lets you regain a card from your lost pile and add it to your discard pile. " - This I think is wrong. When you recover, you recover to your hand, not to discard pile. The rules say: "Certain abilities allow a player to **recover** discarded or lost **ability** cards. This means that the player can look through his or her discard or lost pile (or discarded or lost cards in his or her active area), select up to a number of cards specified in the ability, and immediately return them to his or her hand."
Andrew Savinykh
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J_rite
<p>It seems to me that &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; does everything that &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; does and more. Why does this card have both icons? What &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; signifies, that &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; does not?</p>
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<p>If the performed action from a card contains a &quot;Lost or Consumed&quot; symbol in the lower right of the action field, the card is instead placed in a player’s lost pile. Lost cards can only be returned to a player’s hand during a scenario by using a special recover action.</p>
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<p>And</p>
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<p>Certain abilities allow a player to recover discarded or lost ability cards. This means that the player can look
through his or her discard or lost pile (or discarded or lost cards in his or her active area), select up to a number
of cards specified in the ability, and immediately return them to his or her hand. Some cards, however, cannot
be recovered or refreshed once lost. This is denoted by &quot;Cannot Recover&quot; the symbol. This symbol applies to the card no
matter how the card was lost or consumed</p>
</blockquote>
<p>It seems that the only difference is that the card ends up in the lost pile instead of the discarded pile, but since it cannot be recovered anyway, why/when does this matter?</p>

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Stamina Booster of Tinkerer, why both icons: Lost or Consumed and Cannot Recover?
Andrew Savinykh
# Stamina Booster of Tinkerer, why both icons: Lost or Consumed and Cannot Recover?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2022-05-11)

It seems to me that "Cannot Recover" does everything that "Lost or Consumed" does and more. Why does this card have both icons? What "Lost or Consumed" signifies, that "Cannot Recover" does not?

> If the performed action from a card contains a "Lost or Consumed" symbol in the lower right of the action field, the card is instead placed in a player’s lost pile. Lost cards can only be returned to a player’s hand during a scenario by using a special recover action.

And

> Certain abilities allow a player to recover discarded or lost ability cards. This means that the player can look
> through his or her discard or lost pile (or discarded or lost cards in his or her active area), select up to a number
> of cards specified in the ability, and immediately return them to his or her hand. Some cards, however, cannot
> be recovered or refreshed once lost. This is denoted by "Cannot Recover" the symbol. This symbol applies to the card no
> matter how the card was lost or consumed

It seems that the only difference is that the card ends up in the lost pile instead of the discarded pile, but since it cannot be recovered anyway, why/when does this matter?

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## 2 answers

### Answer by username_0 on 2022-05-12. Score: 1

*I'm answering my own question, because no one else cannot read my mind and without it the question is not really answerable. I would delete the question but it already has an answer.*

Your confusion is stemmed from the fact that you were comparing the digital version cards (which you own) against physical game rules (which you do not have), and because the icons are different in the digital version vs physical one you mixed up "Lost or Consumed" and "Cannot Recover": you thought they were the other way around. Once you realise that, everything falls into places.

> It seems to me that "Cannot Recover" does everything that "Lost or Consumed" does and more.

This is mostly true, but "Lost or Consumed" is much more frequent than "Cannot Recover". These cards go to the Lost pile, you do not get them during your short/long rest, but you still can recover them.

> Why does this card have both icons? What "Lost or Consumed" signifies, that "Cannot Recover" does not?

If the card only had "Cannot Recover" and did not have "Lost or Consumed" it would go to the Discard pile, not to the Lost pile. And then you would be able to get it back during you rest, since rest is not the same as "recover". This was not intention for this cars, so it gets both icons. In fact for most (if not all) cards that have "Cannot Recover" the intention is that this ability is only used once per combat, that's why those cards *also* have "Lost or Consumed" icon.

It could have been possible to print just a single "Cannot Recover" icon on those cards and add a rule that those cards also should be ignored in the Discard pile during rest, but it seems it would only add confusion without providing any real benefit.

> **Comments:**
> **username_1**: you can remove the question if you want, I don't mind having answered it. And your answer comes down to the same as I said.  
> **username_0**: @Jungkook SE does not allow (self) removing questions that have answers, I think.  
> **username_1**: I think I did it in the past on an other SE site. Maybe it's not possible anymore.  

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### Answer by username_1 on 2022-05-11. Score: 0

Some cards are lost or consumed when you play them. When you play a normal card it goes into you discard pile and the next round you'll get that card again.

Some card have a one time use ability. After you play that card and use the ability (top or bottom half of the card, in this case the bottom part) that has the icon the card goes into your lost pile. The cards in your lost pile cannot reappear in your hand.

When you take the resting action you can regain the cards from your discard pile to your draw pile. By resting you put a random card from your draw pile to your lost pile.

[![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/H9m1B.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/H9m1B.png)

This card lets you regain a card from your lost pile and add it to your discard pile. For doing this you have to sacrifice this card (place it in the lost pile) [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png). When this card is in your lost pile you cannot recover it, independent of how it ended up in your lost pile [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png).

So the [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/VvJmy.png) icon means that when played you have to place this card in the lost pile and the [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/EWvKG.png) icon means you cannot regain this card with a [![enter image description here](https://i.sstatic.net/NsjaN.png)](https://i.sstatic.net/NsjaN.png) ability, no matter how it ended up on the lost pile (resting, playing or other events).

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: Would anything be practically different if the card only had the  "Cannot Recover" icon and not the "Lost or Consumed" icon?  
> **username_0**: "This card lets you regain a card from your lost pile and add it to your discard pile. " - This I think is wrong. When you recover, you recover to your hand, not to discard pile. The rules say: "Certain abilities allow a player to **recover** discarded or lost **ability** cards. This means that the player can look through his or her discard or lost pile (or discarded or lost cards in his or her active area), select up to a number of cards specified in the ability, and immediately return them to his or her hand."  

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