<p>Yes you can proliferate loyalty counters on planeswalkers because they are permanents. </p>

<p>Planeswalkers are not players however, the only time they sort-of act like players is <em>"If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead."</em> And really that is just a rule so that cards like <a class="mtg-autocard" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer" href="http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bLightning%20Bolt%5d">Lightning Bolt</a> will be effective against them without needing errata. </p>

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  <p><strong>110.4.</strong> There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and <strong>planeswalker</strong>.</p>
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So... In theory, could I use ral zarek (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ral+zarek) with some inexorable tides (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397762)  to possibly gain infinite turns via quick, plentiful, cheap spells?
tuskiomi
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@tuskiomi You can, though there are significantly easier (and more reliable) ways to get infinite turns
diego
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...go on... I want to hear
tuskiomi
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@tuskiomi That isn't really what comments are for, but if you join us in [chat] we could answer that question for you.
diego
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Quickly just for anyone looking in from the outside, the big one everyone knows about for infinite turn combos would be the Time vault - Voltaic Key combo, often simplified to Volt(Vault)-Key.
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diego
<p>I am curious, can proliferate be applied to planes-walkers with loyalty counters on them?</p>

<p>proliferate text states:  </p>

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  <p>You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there.</p>
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<p>And planeswalkers are both players AND permanents, So I see no reason that it shouldn't work. Are there rules against it?</p>

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Can proliferate be applied to loyalty counters?
tuskiomi
# Can proliferate be applied to loyalty counters?

(Asked by: username_0 on 2016-11-10)

I am curious, can proliferate be applied to planes-walkers with loyalty counters on them?

proliferate text states:

> You choose any number of permanents and/or players with counters on them, then give each another counter of a kind already there.

And planeswalkers are both players AND permanents, So I see no reason that it shouldn't work. Are there rules against it?

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## 1 answers

### Answer by username_1 on 2016-11-10. Score: 12 | Accepted answer

Yes you can proliferate loyalty counters on planeswalkers because they are permanents.

Planeswalkers are not players however, the only time they sort-of act like players is *"If noncombat damage would be dealt to a player by a source controlled by an opponent, that opponent may have that source deal that damage to a planeswalker the first player controls instead."* And really that is just a rule so that cards like [Lightning Bolt](http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?name=%2b%5bLightning%20Bolt%5d) will be effective against them without needing errata.

> **110.4.** There are five permanent types: artifact, creature, enchantment, land, and **planeswalker**.

> **Comments:**
> **username_0**: So... In theory, could I use ral zarek (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=ral+zarek) with some inexorable tides (http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=397762)  to possibly gain infinite turns via quick, plentiful, cheap spells?  
> **username_1**: @username_0 You can, though there are significantly easier (and more reliable) ways to get infinite turns  
> **username_0**: ...go on... I want to hear  
> **username_1**: @username_0 That isn't really what comments are for, but if you join us in [chat] we could answer that question for you.  
> **username_2**: Quickly just for anyone looking in from the outside, the big one everyone knows about for infinite turn combos would be the Time vault - Voltaic Key combo, often simplified to Volt(Vault)-Key.  

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