Idea Transcript
CONSTITUTION OF KENYA REVIEW COMMISSION (CKRC)
VERBATIM REPORT OF
CONSTITUENCY PUBLIC HEARINGS, KINANGOP CONSTITUENCY HELD AT KINANGOP CATHOLIC CHURCH ENGINEER
ON
APRIL 18, 2002
CONSTITUENCY PUBLIC HEARINGS, KINANGOP CATHOLIC CHURCH ENGINEER – THURSDAY, APRIL 18, 2002
Present: Prof. Wanjiku Kabira Mr. Paul Musili Wambua
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Commissioner “
Secretariat Staff In Attendance: Jackline Odhiambo Roselyne Nyamatu Aggrey Akaranga Regina Mwachi Rev. Thagana: Mbere ngwamba gucokia ngatho kuri inyuothe aria makinyite giikaro-ini giki, commissioners na aria other makoragwo makiruta wira wabici-ini io ona aria makiragiriria guthoma githomo kiu gia Katiba, na ithui andu a guku Kinangop. Muthenya wa umuthi ni muthenya witu wa kuheana mawoni maitu makonainie na Katiba iria mukwenda na nigetha turute wira mwega, nitukwenda kuria kurathimwo ni Ngai, tumenyererwo thiini wa wira uyu turaruta. Na tukorwo twina muthenya mwega na Ngai maundu maya mothe tondu niwe turahoya Ngai niatumaga maundu maya mahanike niundu wa kwenda gwake. Rekei tuhoe.
Father Mwai – Prayer - Mwathani Ngai ithe witu, turagucokeria ngatho niundu wa uguo utumenyereire kuma riria twarahukire, na niwahota gutukinyia giikaro-ini giki ona gututwara mawira-ini maitu maria turutaga o muthenya, o muthenya. Turagwita ukorwo wi hamwe na ithui na ni getha ututongorie thiini wa mugomano uyu ututongorie maundu maria mothe tugukorwo tukiuga makorwo me magiriru na mari mega makuguna andu a bururi uyu wa Kenya – aria me muoyo ona aria magoka. Kirathime wira mwega urarutwo ni commissioners waguthikiriria mawoni ma muingi ona thirikari itu niundu wa uteithio uria iraheana nigetha wira ucio urike wega. Tuika Mwathani wa kurathima wira ucio ndukanatuike wa tuhu. Kwanarutwo mawira na magatuika ma 2
tuhu. No wira uyu ni wa mwanya muno na niturakunengera utuike wakuhotithia bururi uyu na nigetha Katiba iria twiriragiria ta aturi a Kenya ituike ya guthondekeka na nigetha tuture na gikeno ithuothe na aria magoka thutha. Tugitire kuma gwi caitani uria muru na maundu maria mothe moru mathukagia thanyu wa muingi matigakorwo makioneka giikaro-ini giki.
Twakuria ona aria mari rugendo-ini maroka ona kinya riria turikinya mathaa ma gutigana, Mwathani turikorwo turi wega-ini waku. Twahoya na macio ona mari manini, o ritwa-ini ria Jesu Kristu tene na tene. Amen.
Rev. Thagana: Thank you so much. Riu thutha wa kurikia kuhoya ni turi na kahinda ga kumenyana.
Ningetaka kueleza kwa mambo machache. Commissioner yuko hapa pamoja nasi, Wanjiku Kibira na ako na kudi lake kuchukua maoni. Ningetaka kueleza vizuri commissioner amekuja na kudi lake kwa sababu ya kuchukua maoni. Mala nyingi sisi tumekuwa tukisurura kusomesha watu na kuna maswali mengi na maoni mengi watu wamekuwa wakitaka kupeana. Sasa huu ndio wakati wa sisi kutoa maoni. Nimeangalia karatasi nikaona kuna watu wengi ambao wameonyesha kwamba wana maoni ya kutoa na wengine ambao wanaonyesha hawana maoni. Sisi zote tumekaribishwa kukaa either kuzikilisha ama kutoa maoni. Na tutapatia kila mtu dakika tano ambaye atasimama kuongea kwa niamba yake. Ikiwa unataka kuongea kwa niamba yako mwenyewe utatumia dakika tano. Ikiwa unaongea kwa niamba ya kudi fulani yaani karatasi imeandikwa kwa niamba ya kudi fulani, tutakupa dakika kumi. Kwa hivyo ukisimama ni vizuri ukumbuke mda wako ni dakika tano au dakika kumi kulingana na yule unawakilisha siku ya leo.
Mahali pa kuongea ni pale. Mahali yule Father amesimama vile alivyosimama na kuongoza kwa maombi. Hapo ndipo tutatumia hiyo microphone iko pale kwa sababu ya ku-record au kunakili mambo tunayosema. Kwa hivyo ukienda tumia microphone, iko pale, simama pale, halafu toa maoni yako na utumie dakika tano au dakika kumi.
Upande huu, nani hawezi kuongea Kiswahili au Kikuyu ama kusikia? Naona karibu kila mtu. Kwa hivyo sisi tuna uwezo wa ku-translate yale ambayo mmeongea. Kwa sababu tunaona sio vizuri usome Kingereza na watu hawa wote hawaelewi ni kitu gani unasema na wako hapo. Wanasikiliza, hawaelewi. Kwa hivyo ni vizuri uongee kwa lugha ya Kikuyu au Kiswahili kwa niamba ya kazi ya hapa kuna mtu wa kunakiri au ku-translate yale ambayo unasema. Kwa hivyo wale ambao wameandika memorandum, ukisoma, soma kwa Kikuyu ama Kiswahili. Naona tuko tayari sasa tulikuwa tunangojea hapo. Ndio, tunaweza kuanza.
Tutatumia kengere ili kukubusha kwamba mda wako umekwisha. Ukisikia nimefanya (kengere) unjue dakika zako zimeisha na ujaribu.
Okey. Niwakubushe tena. Ukimaliza kuongea unazunguka pale unamuona huyo ameinua mkono. Make sure umemuona. Na kabla hujaanza kuongea, sema jina lako ni fulani. Kama unaakilisha fulani. Kwa mfano sema “jina langu ni Andrew Muiruri 3
Mburu. Nimeakirisha Kinangop Youth Association”. Natoa mfano wa mmoja wa wale ninajua. Kwa sababu ya recording sema majina kwa sababu kuna shida wakati mwingine mtu hatujui jina. Instead of interrupting you asking for the name, say the name, say what you represent and then go ahead. Kwa hivyo sasa nataka kumkaribisha commissioner aanze kuita majina, atueleze tutaendelea aje, halafu tuanze.
Com.Kabira: Muri ega? Ke njuge ni ngenete muno tondu wa guka Engineer na gukora inyuothe mwikuo riu ruciini. He commissioner ungi tugukaga nake no ndekuiguaga wega. Kwoguo gwatuika ahota guka thutha-ini na aga guka tuthii na mbere turikie. Etagwo commissioner (inaudible). Na ningugeria muno tu-make sure everybody has an opportunity umuthi. Tondu nitui you have been waiting for this opportunity kwa ihinda inene na I feel very proud that we are able to make this contribution. During the current Constitution and in the writing of the new one. Kuoguo ningugeria muno at least to make sure mundu wothe uma na views ekwendaga gutuhe niatuhee. Ngucokera hanini ati you can use whatever language you want. Akorwo wi comfortable na Gikuyu nigetha turenda kuhuthira language ithuothe tura-understand. Kana tiguo? Akorwo ni Githweri tuhuthire Githweri. We have a cassette and it will record kana ni Githweri, kana ni Githungu, kana ni Gikuyu. So the official record is there with that cassette.
Twina muiritu ungi haria urandika points – highlights repporteur. No muiritu ucio ona akorwo ndaraigua Gikuyu, this gentleman here niekumu-translatira. And I don’t know, may be it might be better if instead of writing you sit next to her and you can tell her the highlights and she picks. Handu ha kwaria tugacoka tuga-translate ni undu wa gu-save time. So sit next to her and then she can give you the highlights and you can write as we move along. Muiritu ucio. Can you give your name please. Please come and introduce yourself.
Jackline: My name is Jackline Odhiambo.
Com. Wanjiku: Jackline aratuika lawyer. Niguo? You are in the Faculty of Law?
Jackline: No. In Education.
Com. Kabira: Nyamatu, can you introduce yourself.
Roselyne: Naitwa Roselyne Nyamatu. Nafanya kazi na Tume ya Katiba.
Com. Kabira: As a documentary?
Roselyne: Yes.
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Aggrey: Nii njitagwo Aggrey Akaranga. Ndi sign language interpreter.
Regina: Na mimi naitwa Regina Mwathi, recorder.
Com. Kabira: Kuoguo niwe ura-record na machini. Niturenda kumenya uria maragika. Thank you very much. Tutigute mathaa maingi. So we will move on as I said, uguo mwerwo ni chairman of the constitutional committee, akorwo ura-represent the group, tugakuhe ndagika ikumi. Akoruo uraria as an individual tugakuhe ndagika ithano. Tondu uria ura-represent group ni andu aingi muno maikarite this nao makaruta wira ucio. Kana tiguo.
I want us to move. We go by first come, first served. I accept that rimwe ni tubreakaga rules. Ta riu hangikorwo hena people with disability, nitukumahe opportunity moka nigetha nao makarikia nao magathii. Otherwise tuku-follow the rules. Ringi tubreakaga rules ni ungiona atumia aria uramenya nimeguthii kurora ciana na mathaa nimakinyire thaa kenda, ugatiga anake aria uramenya no mainuke gugukinya ona thinacara ni getha mutumia ucio ainuke. Kana tiguo. So if that happens, then ningumwira.
Mwanake uria ni sign language interpreter. Andu a deaf mangitonya no erwo. Tondu ndangimamenya na kumona.
Mundu angiigua uria aria angi maroiga-ri acoke a-decide nake ena undu arenda kuga na ndekuindicatate niarenda kuga – no tumwire aregiste ringi. Ti kuregister ringi on paper. Atumenyithie ni getha tukimuslot in. Thengio.
We will begin with Joseph Maina Kimani. Niwe ugutuhingurira umuthi. Thank you.
Maina: Hamjambo! Ngwambiriria na giti kiria ki bata muno thiini wa bururi uyu nakio ni giti kia Rais. Haha hoigite atiriri – mundu uria ugutuika Rais wa bururi uyu Katiba ya riu yugite akoragwo ari kuma miaka 35. Hau ngona ni wega tumwambiririe na miaka 40. Ndagakoragwo e thi wa miaka 40. Gitumi ni tondu ndarora ngona ati miaka 40 niho mundu akoretwo akurite kimeciria wega makiria na agakorwo ena mucii niahotete gukorwo ena maundu make. Riu ngona miaka 40 turute kuma miaka 35 twikire miaka 40.
Undu uria ungi ni ati mundu uria ugutuika Rais wa bururi uyu, gukorwo guthondeketwo kamiti ya kumuroraga history yake na haria thutha nigetha akorwo ni ari na maundu ta ma uici, maundu mangi moru kinya ma kuragana, mundu ucio ndakarekwo atuike Rais wa bururi uyu.
Undu uria ungi ni ati Katiba ya riu ni yugite ati Rais wa bururi uyu ari iguru ria watho. Undu ucio weherio. Gukorwo watho niguo uri iguru ria mundu wothe. Uguo nikuga ati mundu wothe wi bururi uyu no athitangwo. Uguo nikuga andu othe nimaiganaine. Undu uria ungi ni ati mundu arikia guthurwo President, giti kiria arathuritwo gia kwao atigane nakio kioywo ni mundu ungi nigetha mundu uyu, tondu ni President wa bururi wothe-ri, ndangigia na kamutindo ga kurora o kwao. Riu e 5
President wa bururi wothe ndangiuga ni kuna ekurora. Ngacoka ngona atiriri, ndagakoragwo ena hinya wa mbunge. Tondu mbunge niyo tuonaga tari yo nyene maundu mothe no riu gugacoka gugakorwo mundu ungi wi haria ena hinya wa mbunge. Uguo mbunge ikoragwo ni independent ina maundu mayo mwanya na Rais wa bururi ndari na hinya hari yo. Na ngacoka ngona ati hekirwo watho ati mundu uria watuika President wa bururi uyu astaavu kana arikia wira ucio wake agakoragwo akirihwo marupurupu na family yake ikoragwo ikiheo security.
Njuke uhoro wa makamu wa Rais. Haha ngona ni wega makamu wa Rais akoragwo agithurwo ni raiya nigetha raiya igakoragwo irathwo ni mundu uria irenda. Rais wa bururi ucio angicoka ehere, Vice President ucio wari ho egukorwo endetwo ni andu. Andu matigakorwo mekiriirwo mundu mateendaga.
Njoke njuke uhoro wa mbunge. Mbunge ikorwo niyo hinya wa bururi uyu undu wigii mawatho na ikorwo ndingiingirirwo ni mundu o wothe. Na mundu uria uguthurwo mbunge akoragwo nake niambite akarorwo ni andu a kwao matigakorwo marathura mundu utangimateithia kana mundu ukoretwo na record njuru na kuu thutha na mundu ucio niegukorwo akimagia.
Njuke ministry ya githomo – Ministry ya githomo niyo i bata muno thiini wa bururi uyu na ngona githomo gia primary school gikoragwo ni kia buri. Buri ati muciari ndagetio ibuku, karamu kana ki no mwana tu ariragwo athii cukuru. Wira wa muciari ukoragwo no gwaka ringi thukuru na kugurira mwana wake nguo. Gucoke gukorwo kwina watho ati mundu wothe utakinyitie miaka 18 ucio ni mwana tondu ndari na kibandi. Uguo agiriirwo gukorwo ee cukuru. Na gutiri mundu wagiriirwo gukorwo atari cukuru atakinyitie miaka 18. Tucoke tukorwo na githomo kia 7-4-2-3 tweherie giki kia 8-4-4. Gucoke gukorwo kwina mbeca cigitwo niundu wa githomo kia university nigetha ciana iria ingikorwo iri njugi na itingihota kwirihira university, gukorwo kwina mbeca icio. Na githomo gia primary school hau njokere ringi nogukorwo ndikugite, kuma nursery school gikoragwo arimu mandikitwo ni TSC tondu nimarutaga wira muritu muno magakoragwo nao maundu mao nimararorwo wega. (Bell)
Com. Kabira: Niukurikitie?
Maina: Ningutigaritie hanini.
Com. Kabira: Iyo ni warning so you can get half a minute.
Maina: Njuke uhoro wa urimi – Arimi riria irio ciao ciathukio ni mbura kana kindu kingi makarihwo. Akorwo ni undu aya maguraga middle men meherio gukoragwo na cooperatives. Icio niikuhota guteithia arimi.
Akorwo ni ciama cia uteti section 2A icenjio handu ha gukorwo na multi-partism gukorwo na kindu gitagwo duo-partism. Ciama igiri. Nigetha akorwo mundu ti wa kiama kiria ki na uteti ii kiria ki mamlakani, akorwo ni wa giki kingi. Nigetha thirikari igatiga guthoga ciama ici ingi. Gukorwo na ciama igiri tu. 6
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Mr. Maina. Please come through here. Just go and register. Andrew Muiruri. Na thutha wa Andrew we shall have John Njenga Ngatia.
Muiruri: Mimi natarajia nitakua faster kwa sababu niko na points kadhaa wa kadhaa. Kwa majina ni Andrew Muiruri Mburu. Niko hapa kwa sababu ya chama cha Kinangop Youth Association ambayo mini ni patron wake. Na tuna points kadhaa hapa. Tunasema tungekuwa tunataka kiongozi ambaye sio wa chama chochote – a partyless President. Tungetaka pia Vice President awe anachaguliwa na kila mtu. Asiwe anakuwa appointed na President ndio sisi tumpe powers za kuwa anatutumikia kama vile tungetaka. Pia tungetaka election ya President isiwekwe pamoja na zile za councillors na MPs kwa sababu wao ni watu wa muhimu sana. Tungetaka President na Vice President wawe wanafanya campaign as a President and a running mate. So that yule anakuwa running mate automatically becomes the Vice President when the President wins. Tungetaka pia mambo muhimu yaondolewe kwa President. Kwa hivyo hata tunasema some powers be removed from the President.
Kama education sector, tungetaka kama chancellor asiwe President. Hii ni sector muhimu sana na tungetaka mtu ambaye mda wake wote unatumiwa kuangalia mambo ya masomo. Huyo chancellor awe ndiye atakuwa anaangalia mambo ya masomo kuanzia primary level to university level. Pia tungetaka the age bracket of the President to be between 35 years and 80 years. Pia tungetaka President azizindize two terms of 5 years each. Tungetaka pia sisi wananchi kuwa na nguvu ya kumuita our MP or to recall our MP. Kama tulimchagua na asifanye vile tulikubaliana afanye kazi, we call him back and we elet somebody else. Na wale MP tunachagua wasiwe kazi yao ni kwenda Bunge. Wangekuwa pia wanakuja kwa citizens wanatusomesha mambo muhimu kama ya Katiba ndio tunazidi kuyajua saa hii. Pia tungetaka viongozi wote kuanzia President mpaka councillor wawe watu wa good morals. Hatutaki watu ambao tabia zao sio nzuri. Kwanza ni lazima ahakikishie kuwa mtu tunachagua anakuwa example kwa sisi kwa tabia. Na pia tungetaka kila mtu awe tayari kusema huo utajiri wake ameupata namna gani. We don’t want criminals, ama thieves. Kwanza tujue mtu ametoa hiyo mali yake wapi. Ndio tuhakikize tuna viongozi wamejitafutia mali na wakiingia pale hawatazidi kuimba mbali watatuongoza vizuri.
Pia tungetaka President awe ni mtu amesoma. Hatutaki President ambaye hajasoma. The least level of education iwe ni a degree level and above. Chiefs and sub-chiefs tuwe na nguvu ya kuwachagua. Tusiletewe chiefs na sub-chiefs. Sisi wananchi tujichagulie kwa sababu ni sisi tunajua ni nani anaweza kutuongoza vizuri kati yetu. Mtu asiletwe kutoka huku ama pale aanze kutuongoza. Constituency pia tunasema hatutaki constituency in area. Tunaita MP ako na area but there are no people in that area. Kuwe ni MP ambaye ni representative of a people lakini sio MP kwa sababu amewekwa kiasi fulani cha area kimetengwa awe MP ndio awe anatumikia yule ametenga hio area.
Employment na recruitment must be on merit only. Responsibilities lazima ziwe spread out. Nasikia kuna mtu mmoja hapa ana cheo kama kumi ndio kunakuwa na so much unemployment. Unasikia huyu ni director hapa, chairman pale vile vile and we 7
have so many other people who can take up such responsibilities. Our MP should be declared a winner only if he has garnered 25% in 75% in all wards in his constituency. Sio kama hapa kwetu wakipata taabu kabisa hajapata kura hapa kwetu tuseme he is a winner, he is not a winner. We want an MP who can represent South and North equally. There also should be seats for our ladies. We would want 10 seats in parliament for our ladies, 10 seats for our physically disabled people, so that mambo yao iwe inaangaliwa vizuri.
Tungetaka pia tuwe na nguvu ya kuchagua mayor. Na awe pia ni mtu amesoma. Pia kuwe na mambo ama project ya ku-tap youth talent. Talent ya vijana inapotelea kwa sababu there is no government funded youth project. Tungetaka hiyo sana iangaliwe ndio vijana wetu wawe na pahari ya kupeleka their talent.
Exportation of agricultural produce at the expense of our agricultural (tutafute sasa ile importation ya ile vitu tunakuza). Kama kitu tunakuza, kuziwe kuna mtu analeta hiyo vitu kutoka nje.
Communication system iimarishwe katika area ambayo is agriculturally productive. Pia tungetaka kila mtu awe na uwezo wa kukaa popote nchini bila mtu yeyote kumwambia this is not your area. You have a right to stay where you want.
Pia tungetaka our law to be applied to everyone of us with fairness. Siyo kuona ati matajiri hawaguzwi na law, wale wanyonge tu ndio laws ina-apply kwa wao. We want a law that is applied to all, whether he is learned or not, we want a law that is fair to all.
The Constitution should also see that we have a right to remove the President if he does not do the duties appointed to him. Kama ameshidwa na kazi yake tusiwe tunangojea all those terms to end while he is not doing a good job for us. To make a bill pass through in Parliament we suggest that we have 75% support not the current 65%. We want a higher percentage so that there is proper support to that. If one crosses the floor or defects, immediately the Electral Commission should declare that area vacant and come back to us to allow us to appoint somebody else.
President should be made answerable for crimes he has committed against his people. Akitoka tu pale, tunaanzana na yeye, kwa sababu akijua hio, he will conduct himself in a good manner.
Citizenship - Kila mtu awe na uwezo wa kua citizen kama amezaliwa na mwananchi wa Kenya. Pia wawe watu kama Chief Justice, High Court Judges, Appeal Judges, judges wawe wanakua appointed by the Parliament. Sio President appointed. Kwa sababu hapa inaonekana they will be loyal to the one who has appointed that. We want parliament to do that job.
Pia tungetaka, kwa sababu wana youth ndio wengi, kuwe na Department of Youth. How do our government deal with us youth? Kuna mambo ya Maendeleo ya Wanawake. Kuna mambo ya watoto. We haven’t had something to do with the 8
youth. We also want a Department of Youth, ndio government iwe ina liais na sisi youth, kujua matatizo yetu na vile tunashirikiana. Hayo maoni ni kutoka kwa wana-youth na imekusanywa na patron wa hiyo Kinangop Youth Association and it is in written form. It is going to be handed over. Kuna mambo mengi nimeacha kwa sababu sina muda but I am sure they are going to be taken care of. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Ukugite ati Bill cia Parliament no muhaka ihutukagio ni 75% of the vote. Icio ni Bill kana ni Constitution?
Muiruri: When they are passing a bill in Parliament. How much support is needed to make a bill pass or sail through?
Com. Wanjiku: Imwe niihitukagio ni simple majority no angikorwo ni Bill niiracenjia Katiba no muhaka makorwo na 55% to change the Constitution.
Muiruri: We want it to be 75% so that it has a proper support of the majority members who are seated.
Com. Kabira: Io ti bill ni gucenjia Constitution.
Muiruri: Yes.
Com. Kabira: Kiuria kingi, nimurenda MP arega kuruta wira etwo, nimucirite egwikwo atia? How do you get the right of recall? In other words, ni vote-of-no-confidence kana ni concensus ya constituency kana egwitwo atia.
Muiruri: There will be a forum to make that follow up so that we go to the authority and say we have no confidence with our MP. We want to call him back so that the Electrol Commission provides for proper election for another MP.
Com. Kabira: Muri andu aigana? Ndui andu eri matingiuga tutirenda MP.
Muiruri: Yes, there will be collection of signatures. How many people support that revision. Should I add something else. Just a single thing I would want to say.
Com. Kabira: You have done a good thing kurikia utahuriirwo ngengere.
Muiruri: Ningetaka pia MPs wetu wasiwe wanaenda Parliament wakati wanajua they have an interest they want to pass in Parliament. Kungekuwa na watchdog committee ambayo inaona our MP goes to Parliament as a responsibility not only wakati wanajua kuna kitu muhimu hasa kinawahusu kutaka kupitisa. Kuwe na watu wanaona wanafanya kazi ya Bunge kulingana na 9
vile wanatakiwa. That is a watchdog committee to keep them on their toes. Thank you very much.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Turie John Njenga.
Njenga: Thank you very much. My name is John Njenga Gatiri and I speak English language. I know most of you will understand. I’ll mainly dwell on the so called elections. In the first instance I would like this problem of bribes when the voting is being conducted to be treated very seriously. I would also like to say that instead of counting the votes at night, let them be counted during the day. Something else there. Instead of bringing Kenya Army, the police and army in the counting hall, let that not be done even if it means the security will be bad. That is what they say. So please I would urge this section to be looked into very seriously.
The other case is about political meetings. Let them not be licensed and let them not cancel the licenses at the eleventh hour. The other area that I would like to talk about is the area of development. The main thing in this country that would bring good development is communication network.
Let them consider the areas that are very productive and then they improve
communication network, especially the roads.
The other thing I would like you to bring into account is accountability. I would like you to tell them that in case things get into problems, let them not blame everybody. Let the person concerned get himself or herself blamed. That is on the side of accountability.
The freedom of worship - This one is becoming almost a nuisance in the country. Supposing a group of a church split. Then the group, if possible, let it retain the same heading that it had formally and where possible. We are getting a lot of problems with these things they are calling the kesha. At times we are not able to sleep because of the machines they are using at night and they are within our vicinities.
There is a problem that comes up with harambee. I would like to say or you to tell them that let them not take the harambee to the President. All harambees are controlled towards the President. The money that goes there is not known where it goes. So please do that.
The other thing is that these delegations that go to the President consumes a lot of money. Let them be reduced or done away with because some of them are not very important. The other thing I would like you to tell them or to note is that we have the KBC. This one is in the communication network in the air. In fact it is very sad that all we hear is about one end, that is KBC. Yes, it is true we have the others but the freedom is very controlled. Let them not control the freedom of air. This one is very serious. There is something else I would like to say. Let them not have the so called monopoly. They have the monopoly of controlling almost everything that goes in the air. So most of the public are not informed of what is going on. Something is 10
happening at Naivasha, somebody in Kinangop does not know that thing is happening at Naivasha. This one is very serious.
I would like to say that let the administrators stick to their jobs. If it is the PC, let the PC remain a PC and let him do his job. Do not allow the DO or the chief to interrupt the DC. Let the President take his part so the job should not be interrupted. Thank you very much although I had not finished but I’m happy I have aired my points.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Can we hear Isaac Githua.
Isaac Githua: Thank you very much. My name is Isaac Githua from Kangunyo, Githima area. I have got a lot of points but I’ ll be very brief.
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Appointment of people – I’ll start with Attorney General, Auditor General and
so forth. This should be left to certain people to do that and not the President who normally chooses the people he want. They should also have security of tenure, that is, they should stay there whoever comes in the power. We have Amos Wako or whoever you might be changed any time because there is no security of tenure. And therefore he is afraid to do the work he is supposed to be doing.
Presidential election –Io ndiroiga ikagwo ii iki, ndigekagwo hamwe na ici ingi. Ota uria muthuri ucio ungi ekugite. Ikorwo ii separate hamwe na Vice President magathii hamwe. Magathuragwo hindi imwe na nigwo mageka campaign thiini wa country yothe magacagurwo ni andu othe ti gucagurwo ni mundu. Na gutigakorwo ati akorwo ni wa Nyandarua, eguikara ee wa Nyandarua. Aca. Kuu oima niatigana nakuo. Kuu gukorwo kwina mumbunge wa kuu. Ngwiciria point ino muthuri ucio niekugite na noyo na nii ndirenda ku-empasize ati acagurwo ewa Kenya hamwe na Vice President. Kwoguo Vice President macaguragwo ni muingi. In case hindi iria kungikorwo President matinagia na vote iria igwitikirwo na ndanagia na 25% na nii ndiroiga 25% guthii guothe 8 provinces akorwo ena at least 25% . No total votes ikorwo cii 50%. Akorwo ni ekugia na 80 kuria kungi agie na minimum ya 25 no ciothe ciatarwo – not less than 50. If they are less than 50 makorwo na run-up na mundu uria ungi uma hakuhi nake. Mangiaga gukorwo matiragia na proper majority, then we come here tuthondeke thirikari itagwo ya coalition. Na coalition nayo ithondekwo uria ukorirwo na vote nyingi muno akorwo niwe President na uyu ungi atuike niwe vice. Ministers nao-ri ni atia uhoro wao.
Ministers marathondekwo every time kuringana na mundu uria arenda uguo ti wega. Niithondekwo ciirwo ni 10 tukwenda kana ni 30 tukwenda na iture hau uguo kinya riria bunge ikoiga nikwenda kuongerera niundu wa undu muna. Kwoguori akorwo ni ministry iikare uguo na iikare na minister wake na aheo wira ucio. Today tutiri na minister. We have the President as the minister of all the ministries. Kwoguo ni tukwenda minister we mwene akorwo ni wa ngirigacha, arute wira wa ngirigacha na munyinyi wake. Otherwise ministers aria mekuo, they are what we call toothless dogs. Ekuga uu na kwagia undu ungi ni undu ungi. Kwoguo lets have a country where we have a minister who is responsible for what he is supposed to be doing. 11
Qualifications ngugite at least gukorwo kwina qualification ya form 4. Gitumi ni kii? History yakwa inyonagia mundu ta Churchill could not pass even form 4 but he was one of the best Prime Minister thiini wa Britain. Tondu he knew his work. Kuoguo-ri ti qualification important no ningi niguo aigue uria kurerwo no muhaka agie na githomo kiu.
Finances – Mundu wothe ukwenda gutuika President akorwo e mutongu. Welfare nayo ithondekwo na njira njega. Trips cia President ituike reduced. Arathii every time na mbeca turoiga tutiri. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Now we have Lawrence Ruiga.
Lawrence: Wazalendo wenzangu, hamjambo? Kwa jina mimi ni Pastor Lawrence Gitonga Ruiga wa kanisa ya adventista eneo hili la Kinangop. Nimekuja hapa kwa ajili ya kuakilisha memorandum ya makanisa yetu katika eneo hili na namkalibisheni mueze kuyazikiza hio memorandum.
Ningetaka kuanzia kusema ya kwanza kanisa la adventista ilianza mwaka wa 1863 kule upande wa marekani na headquater yake ulimwenguni mzima iko sehemu inaitwa Michigan na kwa sasa walipata kufanya transfer mpaka Takome Park Washington DC, mwaka wa 1903. Na hio ni machache. Tunaona ya kwamba linaoperate zaidi ya mataifa 209 ulimwenguni mzima. Na liko na zaidi ya washiriki 50 million. Na kwa hayo ni introduction tu.
Ningetaka tuelewe hapa kwetu Kenya missionary alikanyanga mara ya kwanza mwaka 1906 pande ya Ngendia Karachuonyo. Hiyo ni introduction kidogo. Sasa hebu niweze kuingia katika recommendation zetu kwa ajili ya kuokoa mda.
Uhuru wa kuabudu – Wa adventist wa sabatu wana-recommend ya kwamba Commission hii iweze ku-ensure ya kwamba Wakenya wote uhuru wao wa kuabudu umelindwa na kuheshimiwa. Tunapoangalia tunaona ya kwamba tuko na makundi mengi ya kidini hapa katika taifa letu la Kenya. Na wakubaliwe uhuru upate kulidwa na wakubaliwe kuwa wanaabudu bila kusubuliwa, kila mtu kulingana na dhamili yake mwenyewe. Matendo 17:26-27. Na uhuru uendelee kulindwa kiasi ya kwamba watu watakuwa kufundisha wakisuhudia imani yao bila kuingiliwa au kusubuliwa na kiube chochote.
Siku za ibada - Kila Mkenya na akubaliwe kuwa anaabudu kulingana na uchaguzi wake mwenyewe wa ile siku ataka kuabudu. Na tunapoendelea kidogo pale tunaona ya kwamba kama ni mambo yanahusu kupiga kula, isiwe inawekwa siku ya kuabudu maanake wengi wananyimwa haki ya kupiga kula. Kama vile ilipata kutokea upande wa Taveta. Iliwekwa siku ya Jumamosi na ilipata kufanya kama tuseme kwa mfano wadventist wasiwe na haki ya kupiga kula katika jina la democracy.
Recommendation number 3: Nataka kupitia hivyo kwa sababu hii karatasi nitaipeana. Tukiangalia recommendation no. 3 ni juu ya sababu ya sabato. Siku ya Jumamosi iweze kutangazwa lazmi hapa katika taifa letu la Kenya kama siku ya kupumzika na kuabudu. Waadventista wa sabatu wanapendekeza kwa nguvu kabisa kikatiba iweze tutabulikane hapa kwetu Kenya iwe ni 12
siku ya kuabudu na kupumzika. (interjection) Ndio nimesema imeudwa na wa-adventist wa sabatu. (interjection). Hebu tuendelee tu wapenzi kutoa maoni. Hebu niharakishe. Na zangu dakika mbili zimeenda. Basi asante. Tumeshukuru.
Recommendation no. 4 ni juu ya hii kitu tunaita equal opportunity employers. Hapa tunapendekeza ya kwamba institution zote za serikari ziweze ziwaajiri Wakenya bila kujali mambo ya ukoo, ndini, nepotism, disabilities and political affliation.
Recommendation no. 5.
National resources protection.
The adventist recommend that in our new Constitution, the
environmental and natural resources should be properly utilized and preserved at all cost for the future prosperity of our nation and people in accordance to Gods gift on earth. Gen. 1:26-28.
Recommendation no. 6. District quota system of education. Wanafunzi wetu waweze kukubaliwa kuingia shule yeyote ya serikari bila kujali mipaka ya wiraya, yaani district. Kwa hivyo tunaomba ya kwamba kikatiba hilo jambo liangaliwe maanake ni kunyima watoto wetu haki kama ametoka district hii at least akawa wa kuingia district ingine. Shule zote za kitaifa ni zetu. Kengere inaendelea kulia nami naendelea kuharakisha.
Recommendation hio ingine ni juu ya God serving, moral and head clothe recognition. Tulitabua ya kwamba serikari zote ulimwenguni utawala wake umewekwa katika zile amri za Mungu ziweze kutabulikana kama sheria ambazo zinalinda haki zote za mwanadamu.
Recommendation ya mwisho – ndio hii. Structure and management of the next government. Tuna-recommend ya kwamba Rais ambaye atakuwa amechaguliwa katika serikari yetu ijayo aweze kuwa Rais ambaye ni mcha Mungu sio mtu mlevi wa dawa za kulevia. Na awe mtu ambaye ako tayari kutumikia wakenya wote bila kujali rangi, kabila ama ukoo. Tunapojua ya kwamba hivi karibuni Yesu yuaja kusimamisha ufalme wake.
Com. Kabira: Asante sana Pastor Lawrence lakini nikuulize swali moja tu.
Pastor Lawrence: Karibu dada yangu.
Com. Kabira: Ulizungumzia juu ya equal opportunity for every community, sindiyo? I wanted to know whether men and women are to be treated as equals.
Pastor Lawrence: Equal opportunity employers. The adventist recommend that the government and all state institutions to be equal opportunity employers as none shall be denied or favoured employment in such institutions on grounds of ethnicity, clan relation, nepoticism or political affliation.
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Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Haron Muturi. After him we shall have Josephat Ng’ang’a.
Muturi: Muri ega inyuothe. Ritwa riakwa ni evangelist Haron Muturi na ndina undu wa mbere ndirenda kugweta thiini wa mawoni makwa. Ni ati twoka ni uhoro wa utongoria mwenaini wigii administration.
Administration kwanjiriria chief,
administration ii yothe, andu acio magiriirwo gukorwo magithurwo ni raiya ni getha mathurwo ni raiya, raiya nirikoragwo ikimenya mundu uria ungihota kumatongoria thiini wa kijiji kiao kana thiini wa itura riao. Na hamwe na uguo-ri andu acio mathurwo ni raiya-ri nitukuhota kweheria. Ithui twathura mundu ta raiya nitukuhota kweheria ona akorwo ni charges ta iria twitagio gwa chief. Okorwo ni gacira wathii nako ukona ati niurarihio no ukona ati miena yeri, akorwo ni uria uguthitangite na uria uteguthitangitwo, ukona ni mwetio. Hihi ta kuria tumite andu no maheane uguo. Akorwo nitwathura mundu ucio akorwo ni assistant chief kana ni chief guthii na mbere, mundu ucio nitukuhota kuban charges icio aretia.
Undu ungi wa keri ni thibitari cia thirikari. Thibitari cia thirikari nitwiragwo kweri ni cia thirikari no riu niciagarurukire ti ta cia thirikari tondu ona wathii hari kindu ugucanjwo. Uguo mawoni makwa ni atiriri, angikorwo kwina thibitari ya thirikari muruaru agiririire guthii kuu akaheo ndawa agacoka akainuka ategwitio kindu. Tutekwenda kumenya kana hena kindu ati ungirwo wandikithie kandi ureandikithia kandi na ati thibitari ni ya thirikari.
Undu uria ungi ni ati ministers aitu kana mbunge, nigucagura tucagurite ambunge magathii thiini wa mbunge a ministers nimekwenda o nao tukona ati ta uria muthuri ungi agweta haha andu acio, mundu aheo ministry, niarekwo ambe arute wira nayo nginya ikamuingira. No ti ukaheo ino, rucio ugacenjerio. Na ningi of course mundu niagiriire kuneo ministry iria iringaine na githomo giake kiria athomeire. Angikorwo ekite ngirigaca thiini wa university, ndagiriire kuneo ya mbia. We no gutuharagania egutuharagania. Kindu ta kiu uguo.
Undu uria ungi naguo ni assistant chiefs na councillors othe. Andu acio magiriirwo gukorwo mari athomu mawoni makwa. Tondu andu acio mathii akorwo ni mucemanio wa DDC angikorwo utari na lugha njiganu kana lugha iria njega kana wathomete ka-history handu fulani na ukiigua, andu acio ona mathii kuu mucemanio wa DDC ucio tondu DC niwe ukoragwo ee chairman, andu acio matihotaga gucangira. Uguo ona angikorwo councillor ti muthomu, aingira kuu kwario githweri, ariikaraga na thina wake akainuka, no akareport akoya mucara. Tondu ndari na githomo. Uguo undu ucio nitukwenda mundu akorwo e muthomu na kinya assistant chief nake taguo. Guathio haria guathio ni mundu wagiriirwo akorwo akiaria na language ciothe ithatu iria tuui. Okorwo ni assistant chief guokwo guku ni DC, twagiriirwo kuigua niarahota kwaria na language ithatu. Ni araria na mother tongue tondu mundu ndangiriganirwo na ni agiririre arie na Githungu, kungikorwo uguo ni gukwendeka no ti utuike ati wathurwo thiinii wa kanjinji kanyu watwarwo kungi, ndurahota gu-communicate na andu na wimutongoria wa thirikari . Uguo andu acio ni magiriire gukorwo mari athomu biu.
Undu uria uria ungi ni ati twathii thiinii wa mwena wa mbunge MPs ni magiriirwo guthurirwo kiama thiini wa mbunge. Mathurirwo kiama-ri, ni kiria kiriroranagia kweli ti-itheru MP o MP ekuo ihinda riria riagiriire. Tondu tukimuthura kana hindi 14
iria raiya ikumuthura, tutiougite wee twagurura gwakinya hindi na hindi iyo nirio urikoragwo thiini wa mbunge no hindi-ino ingi uhang’anagie na mihango yaku. Hindi iria twathura mundu ni atigane na make riu ahang’ire raiya. Angikorwo ndekwenda kuhang’ira raiya, mundu ucio niagiriire guikara-thi tuthure uria ugutuhang’ira.
Undu uria ungi naguo ni tuke mwena wa ndini hanini. Ni ati okorwo ni ta thirikari andu aria akorwo ni makanitha tondu twi makanitha mwanya-mwanya, andu acio ni magiriire makorwo makiheywo undu ucio akorwo mundu niarenda guthii kwambika githomo handu fulani, kana kanitha fulani. Andu acio matiagiriire guthii kwa D.O. kana kuma kuri assistant chief ati makahoe permit na ni kiugo kia Ngai maratangatha. Andu acio magiriire makandikaga tu kanote makamenyithia munene kana assistant chief uguo guthii uguo. Makamumenyithia twi hana Engineer. Hau niho turekira crusade. Uguo niguo kungioneka thina we wi assistant chief no utuhe uteithio wa thirikari. No ti kuhoyaga tari licence na twina uhuru wa kuabudu. Uguo kuronania atiriri, tungituika ni turihoyaga licence-ri nikwonania tutihetwo uhuru uria wagiriire no kuheniotu na mandiko no ni ati twoka practically hatiri. Uguo gwakorwo kwina uhuru wa kuabundu andu ni mamenyithio tu. Tutiroiga arugwo, ni amenyithio no mundu ucio ndagatuike tondu guthiite uguo akorwo mundu ni arahoya licence akaigua anga ndikuheana kana ringi ukaguthaguthwo uguo cocoro, na ni uhoro wa Ngai. Uguo mwena ucio naguo andu acio ni makorwo makiigua andu.
Undu uria ungi na niyo point yakwa ya muico, ni undu uria tuthomaga thiinii wa ngathiti. Wanacemania nayo ukaigua kuri mundu akiaririria uhoro wa majimbo. Ukaigua ati ni majimbo, mundu ukwaria uhoro wa majimbo – akorwo ni indo cia thauti ta radio kana ngathiti itiagiriire gukorwo ikiandika uhoro wake. Majimbo mundu wothe nietikirwo – so long as wi muciarire thiinii wa bururi uyu, wagiriire ni kurura na kuiga mbiacara ciaku kuria guothe ungienda. No ndwagiriire gukinyirwo handu ukerwo Engineer ndigakinye gutire majimbo. Point yakwa yakinya hau Mwathani amurathime.
Josphat Nganga: Ni mawoni makwa ndirenda kurehe haha.
Wa mbere ninjui ati guku gwitu tukoretwo turi arimi na
mahinda maria tukoretwo turi arimi ni tukoretwo tutunganite na mathina maingi muno. Wambere nyambe huthire urimi wa muthemba umwe, tuge kindu ta iria. Uhoro wigii iria guku gwitu ni ukoretwo ugituthumbura mahinda maingi muno na kuringana na thirikari iria iri kuo ni ironania ta itari na uhoro wa gushughulikira murimi tondu akorwo ni ta iria riria twi nario, ringi niturathii tukaigua kuri iria ringi rirauma na kuu nja. Na thirikari iyo ni irakorwo ikimenya ati iria riu ni rirarutwo na nja rikarehwo guku. Riria riarehwo guku-ri, riria nario twinario rikaga kugurwo. Riu-ri, wina kilo ringi ta 20 ugathima ta kilo 5 riu ringi ugacokia – na ni wetereire gukama hindi iyo ingi. Riu-ri, ngauga mawoni makwa atiriri, korwo thirikari iria ingithondekwo kana Katiba iria ingithondekwo no igie na uhoro ucio wa gwiciria murimi uria atarikoragwo akihinyiririo na uhoro ucio wa indo icio irarutwo nanja, no ituteithiririe. Akorwo ni uhoro wigii ta rio – onakorwo ni irio nacio ni kugiite na soko huru, irio nacio ikarutwo mabururi ma nanja, onacio ikarehwo guku igoka ikendio raithi. Wee wi murimi, waru ciaku akorwo ni mbembe ciaku, urarimire ikaga muguri tondu iria irauma na nja nicio iragurwo. Riu woni wakwa ni ngwona thirikari iria ingithondekwo kana katiba iria ingithondekwo igerie kubaririra murimi mwena ucio. Njoke njuge undu ucio ungi naguo ni uhoro wigii mbiacara. Mbiacara korwo no kugie na mubango mwega, mundu uria wina mbiacara akagia na mbiacara imwe. No ti mundu agakorwo niwe mwene matatu, niwe mwene nduka, niwe mwene githii. Akorwo mundu ungi niarenda kuiga kabiacara akona ndangihota. 15
Kwoguo hau Katiba no igerie gutumenyerera nigetha mundu wothe at least akaigua ni aiganiire e bururi-ini wake. Ngwiciria ngutigira hau.
Peter Kimani: Muri ega inyuothe? Ritwa riakwa ni Peter Kimani Karimbo na ndirenda kuruta mawoni makwa. Nii niingienda Katiba iria iguthondekwo kana iria ingienda njathwo nayo ni police officers matigage kuhura suspect at ni getha maheane uira. Wahota gususpectwo ni getha gutuike niwe wikite undu ucio. Ukuhurwo kinya witikire nginya ona utekite. Ingienda Katiba iitu yeherie uhoro ucio wa torture thiini wa police.
Undu ungi wa keri, ingienda nii judges magathikagiriria muthitangwo na matigatue na uira uria mahetwo ni police ta ucio ndoiga wa kuringiririo na hinya. Woni uria ungi ndirona na ingienda Katiba iicirie ni uhoro ucio wa murimi. Indo iria turakuria ithui ta arimi guku ni itige kurutwo na nja tondu cioka nicio iratuma indo iria turakuria ciage thogora na igatuika ni cia kura oro uguo na ni tucirimite na thina. Ningi undu uria ungi ingienda ni ati tondu kuria ithui tukuragiria irio ndiui kana ni Katiba iria iri kuo ndiraturirikana. Kuria kurakurio irio communication, kana njira, niciagiriirwo ni guthondekwo ni getha tukahotaga gutwara irio ciitu guthii guciendia.
Ona undu ungi ingienda ni uhoro ucio wa kugia na uhuru wa mihoere. Nitui ithui turi andu atii Ngai na kwoguo ni twagiriirwo ni kugitirwo kana Katiba iria tungiheo ituhe wiyathi wa kuhoyaga. Ngwiciria mawoni makwa megukinya hau. Asante. (inaudible communication)
Peter Kimani: Muri ega inyuothe? Thengio muno. Haha nindi na memorandum ikoretwo igithugundwo ni akristiano o undu umwe na aikari a Tulaga. Nguthii ndimioyete point kwa point tondu ingimithoma ii yothe, hihi mahinda no mage gukorwo makinjitikiria.
Point ya mbere ni uhoro wa ku-protect national resources. Ni undu wigii mititu. Tungirora akorwo ni ta bururi uyu witu ni twari na mititu haria kabere no twaikia maitho ni turona mititu iyo ni ithiite na mbere o igithiraga. Nikii gitumi? Ni tondu akorwo ni andu ta aria maratutongoria, uhoro wigii kulinda natural resources, undu ucio nduri ho. Kuoguo o mundu o mundu arathii kuri chairman, akorwo nita chairman wa bururi, akamuhe mbeca nini akaingira mutitu, agatema miti na tugacoka o ithui tukaga mbura. Uguo niturona ona umaskini niuguthii na mbere na kuingiha angikorwo mititu ndiguthii na mbere na kugiriririo.
Undu uria ungi, ni uhoro wa security. Nima Katiba iria twinayo niiraria uhoro wa security. No security io ndiratumika uria kwagiriire. Ni tondu atiriri, angikorwo muraiya wa kawaida ona thina no muhaka angithii ahonge thigari ati ni getha imuteithie thina uria enaguo. Undu ucio ndungihotekeka. Twone atiriri akorwo nita mundu uria wina mbeca ucio niwe urateithika. Nitondu ona angikorwo niarenda kuhingia undu, ena uhoti wa kuneana mbeca nigetha undu uria arenda uthii na mbere na kuhinga. Itungirora mwananchi wa kawaida? Kana mundu uria muhinyiririku muno? Nitukuona ona angikoruo hihi ni mugunda arenda gutunywo kana kaundu karia kangi arenda guthiirwo, ndangiona handu ha guthii gwita uteithio. Kuoguo tukona atiriri, 16
nitweherie uhoro uyu wa gukorwo ati kitu kidogo giki gi thiini wa bururi witu nikio kiratuma bururi witu uthii na mbere na guthina. Uguo tukona atiri, ona akorwo ni muici, aici ni maraiya indo nyingi muno. No marikia kunyitwo makarekererio kwa dhamana. Makarekererio na bill cia mbia. Twone atiri, ona mundu anyitwo niohuo kioho kiria kiringaine na kindu kiria aiyite. Tondu mundu ucio acoka arekererio, eguthii ona mbere na gutunyarira. Kuoguo andu manyitwo ni matigage kuhingurirwo, andu ni mohuo biu. Na getha o mundu o mundu etigire.
Undu uria ungi ni uhoro wa President. President akoragwo ari thi wa watho. Na nikio turona atiriri ona President angika ihitia ona ririku ndangihota guthitwo. Kwoguo tukwenda Katiba iria twinayo, President akorwo ari thi wa watho, niatige gukorwo ari iguru wa law. Ni tondu riri, riu ona hihi angienda gwika undu gutiri hindi angithitwo. Nituonaga ringi niathitagwo ni opposition no wona atwarwo kuria igotini, nitondu mundu uria wi kuria igoti-ini niwe umuthurite, gutiri kundu angitwaruo. Kuoguo nitutigage kuhe President mamlaka manene ati akorwo thiini wa Executive, akorwo thiini wa Judiciary, niwe urethondekera Commission iria ii kuu.
Undu uria ungi haha niturona ati thiini wa bururi-ini witu nitukwenda tukorwo na Prime Minister, Katibu Mkuu. Ati President ni wa gwatha bururi no nake Prime Minister-ri ni wa gwatha thirikari. Tutige kuhe President mawira maingi ati ona kaundu karenda gwikika thiini wa Kinangop kana kundu kuria kungi, niwe urerwo oke ahingure mucemanio uyu na uyu na uyu. Kuoguo President niakorwo akirora tu uhoro wa waguthondeka bururi no nake Prime Minister akorwo niwa kurora thirikari.
Undu uria ungi ni undu wigie ministers, kana ministry. Okorwo nita ministers nimaheo honge ota uria aria mekwaritie kuringana mundu na githomo giake. Niturona ati President arathii akagarurania mawaziri. Agathii akarutwo ministry ino akarehwo iria ingi. Na mundu ucio ndathomeire. Ningi uhoro uyu wa gutunyukithagia mundu kana uhoro wa kurugamagia mundu, President ndekwenda akorwo ena uhoti ucio ni tondu niarathii akarugamia minister fulani ni tondu mundu ucio niararega kumuunga mkono. Na mundu ucio ringi gutiri undu ona umwe ekite.
Okorwo ni uhoro wa kuretaithia andu, reke makaritayaga miaka yao yakinya. No tikuheagwo retire ihinda ritakinyite. Nitondu akorwo nita andu aria othe maroragana guku amwe makoragwo mari njeshi. Nitondu acio nimoi uhoro wigii gutumira siraha ni tondu maraheo retire ihinda riao ritakinyite. Na tondu mundu uyu niaheo retire na ndanaheo mbeca cia retire-ri, egwika atia? Eguthii na mbere o guthinia bururi. Kwoguo reke andu makaheaguo retire ihinda riria riagiriire na makaheagwo mbeca cia retire nigetha mundu ucio akahota guthii kwambiriria mbiacara yake wega.
Undu uria ungi, ni uhoro wigie magetha. Okorwo nita guku gwitu Kinangop, turutaga wira wa horticultural products indo ta mahua, mboga na maundu maria mangi. Na riu tungirora ihinda-ini riria turi, ni ati indo iria ciothe turatura kana wira uria wothe turaruta niutuikite wa tuhu. Ni tondu nituraga gwa kwendia iria, gwa kwendia matumbi na gwa kwendia mahua. Niki? Ni tondu riri, thirikari niitikiritie gukorwo ati mabururi ma nanja nimararehe irio bururi-ini witu. Okoruo nita iria riria riroima mwena wa South Africa, riroka ri ria mutu, rigoka rikaringio. Uguo iria riaku akoruo nita rita imwe, ria nanja rikiuma shiringi 20 ria 17
guku ni shiringi 30. Kuoguo mundu uria wina mbeca nini muno-ri arathii kugira iria ria nanja. Uguo tukona atiriri, tugie na sector io ya guturindira indo itikae gukoragwo ikiuma nanja na ni getha kiria turarima-ri, tukonaga gia kwendia. No, nociume nanja angikorwo hihi indo iria turarima-ri, itirahota kufeed andu a bururi. Hindi iyo no twitikirie no angikorwo indo iria turarima guku ni ikuhota gukorwo igitungatira andu a bururi tutige gukorwo na undu ucio wa kurehe indo cia na nja.
Undu uria ungi ni undu wa freedom of worship. Uhoro wa gukorwo ati ni kwagiriire na uhuru wa kuhoya. Nitwagiriiruo gukorwo ona tugikoragwo na uhoro uyu wa kuhoya ni hagiriirwo gutuo kiwango ni tondu wa riri, angikorwo o mundu o mundu niekwambiriria ndini yake, ndini ici ingiaga guikio maitho na kabere ni ciguthii na mbere kuhotomia andu ni tondu ni gukoretwo na uhoi wa ngoma – no uhoi wa ngoma uingirite ni undu wa kii? Ni tondu ni gwetikiririo o mundu o mundu no ambiririe kanitha yake. Kwoguo ona tukiambagiriria makanitha ni tugie na Commission ya guthugunda ati kanitha ici irambiririo-ri, kihumo giacio ni ha? Ti mundu agokira akambiriria kanitha yake niundu wa gwetha utonga kana utongoria wa ruciu. Asanteni sana.
Francis: Thank you very much. My names are Francis Kararu and here is a group memorandum kutoka Ichagaki catholic church and some members from that area. I will go very fast.
Interjection: Aria na Gikuyu.
Ndikwaria maundu maria ringi mekwaritio no undu wa mbere ni ati ninjaritie undu ukonie githomo. Na githomo ni kuroneka ati akristiano kana andu aria turari nao ni marona ati githomo kiagiriirwo gukorwo ari wira wa thirikari. Na thirikari itigirire ati ni yarikia kumenyerera githomo gikorwo ki-free na compulsory muciari hatiri kindu aretio ona ndururu undu ukonie githomo. Kiria kingi ingienda kuga ni uhoro ukonii admission quota system ithire, nigetha gutige gutwika ati he mundu umite area na ni arendekana ati ungikorwo umite handu hana ndungiingira university kana ndungiingira institution na iundu wa quota system. Tukona tondu syllabus ni imwe iria ithomagwo thiini wa cukuru, andu oothe maheo equal opportunity.
Kweherio kindu
gigwitwo quota system thiinii wa bururi uyu. Mathibitari namo, thibitari imwe ironeka uguthii ukerwo gutiri na ndawa kana ringi ugathii uga-turituo ugatuika ati no kinya ugure ibuku. Maundu mamwe tukenyuria thirikari kai itwarite ku ndawa gukaga kindu gitaguo iratathi ria kwandika. Uguo thibitari ciitu ikorwo na ndawa ciakuigana na maundu mothe gukorwo ati gutiri mundu wothe agiriire kurio ni getha arihe.
Information thiini wa family. Indo ciitu iragia na thina niundu wagukorwo na maundu mangi. Angikorwo hari andu mahetwo licenses cia importaga indo tax free, kiugo kiu gia tax free nikio gitumite indo importagwo igatuma indo ciitu iria turatumira thiini wa bururi uyu ciage market. Tugakiona ati indo iria iraimportwo itigatuike ati he mundu ona umwe uretikirio kuimportaga indo tax free na akorwo thirikari no kinya I-import indo ina turakuria ikorwo iraimport through Parliament itikirite, ikamenya akorwo ni mbeca cigana atia na ikamenyekana nikii kirendekana. Na gutikanagie mundu uretikirio kuimportaga indo tax free.
Undu ucio ungi nagwo ni wa defence na nimwarie no ni turona police tondu nimaturutagira wira mwega muuno. Thiini wa 18
training yao nikuo magiriire gukorwo makiheo, mathomithagio kindu gitagwo patriotism, kana wendo wa bururi uyu nigetha magiturutira wira matige kuhana tari thu hari raiya no nigetha makorwo mari andu aguteithia raiya. Makorwo mari partriotic kana wendo wa bururi uyu na wendo wa andu aria maratura thiini wa bururi uyu na ni getha makorwo makiruta wira makiiguithanagia.
Kiria kingi nakio ni Constitution. Katiba ya bururi uyu iria tukwenda guthondeka kana iria turoria ithondekwo igie na hinya ati mundu we mwenyewe arikia kuhitia ndaricirithagio ni mundu ng’ania kana ushahidi wa mundu ng’ania, no aricirithagio ni Constitution. Ikorwo iri supreme kana ikorwo ina hinya iguru ria maundu macio mangi mothe. President nake atige gukorwo ari above the law. Ucio niukugwetetwo na ni getha angikorwo niahitia ahote gucirithio kuringana na watho wa bururi kuringana na uria kwagiriire. Na kungihitana ta economy rihitane are President nituronaga andu nimarona ni agiriirwo we mwene kuresign voluntarily handu ha eterere kinya riria bururi ugathira. Uguo economy riahitana, President akaresign.
Land allocation – Migunda iria yoneka iheagwo andu kuringana na uria maronekana aria a itura riu aria matari na migunda. No ti gugatuika ati mundu ena mugunda ungi hana na karia koneka karongererwo aria mari naguo. Uguo aria matari na migunda thiini wa area io makagairwo tumigunda tuu ona akorwo ni half kana ni quarter, equally.
Job allocation – Namo mawira maria mararikia kwoneka maheanagwo kuringana na githomo kia mundu, uhoti wa mundu hatekuingirio ukabila kana uyu ni kabira na, kana uyu oimite kundu kuna, kana ni wa muhiriga muna. Kiria kingi nakio ni members of Parliament haha magiriirwo guthuragwo ni andu, raiya na kungituika MP maundu maria eriire andu a itura riao ndanahota kumahingia, tukona ati members a area iyo nimagiriirwo ni kugia na hinya wa kuhitukia vote of no confidence. Haha twarecommendaga tondu magithii guthurwo akoragwo ni kindu andu 1,000 aria masignaga kana mathiaga kumatwara ona andu 1000 mangicemania maheane sign 1000 moige matiri na confidence na MP ucio nikwagiriire kugie na by-election na uhoro ucio wikike uguo.
Kiria kingi nakio ni uhoro wa gender. Atumia nao nimathinikaga muno hindi iria gwakinya ati athuri ao nimarikia kwehera. Gukoneka ati thiini wa title-deeds tungitikirio igiage maritwa meri. Nigetha muthuri arikia kwehera mutumia ndetindaga athii guthitanga gikuu, akambiriria kugio thiini wa wabici. No angikoruo ritwa riake riari thiini wa title na property iria muthuri ari nayo, niiramenyekana ni mutumia undu ucio ugakorwo wi mwega tondu maundu ma succession matikugia mutumia.
Judiciary nayo hindi iria kwarikia gutuika ati Attorney General, Chief Justice na High Court Judges magiriire guthuragwo ni Parliament na ni getha makoragwo mari free and independent mateguthurwo ni President, tondu mathurwo ni President megutura marutaga wira kana ni mundu marirutaga wira mari rungu rwa mundu ucio. Na uhoro ucio ringi na ringi no ugie na thina. Haha nituronaga ati andu nao aria akuru, mundu akurite akirutira thirikari wira, akirutira bururi uyu wira. Arikia gukinyia kindu miaka 80, thirikari niimenyage kiria mundu ucio aririaga, na tii uru. Imaheage irio.
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Private schools nacio ciambiriria gwakwo private school handu, private school iyo niigie na secondary school yao na nigetha ciana iria cioima private school io itige kugayanaga vacancies na ciana cia athini tondu aria marathomithia ciana kuu mena hinya ona gutwara thiini wa private secondary schools. Uguo secondary cia thirikari itigirwo athini aria me cukuru cia public na ni getha uria wina kahinya makamutwara thiini wa secondary cia private.
Ministries: Ministry nacio iheanwo kuringana na qualification merit. Na angikorwo minister niaheo ministry yake, ndagetio ministry io ataninite miaka 5 nigetha atwarane nayo. Ingihitana ekuo aresign na athitangwo.
Kaundu kau kangi ni transfer ya power. Thutha wa githurano, Constitution iria tuguthondeka yagiriirwo ithondekwo ati thiku 30 igithira akorwo President kana mundu uria uma wabici io ni arikia kuhotwo thiku 30 igithira, oime wabici io. Na nigetha raiya yothe ikorwo ikimenya ati mweri 30 igikinya President niakahand over power ni getha maundu macio makorwo mari matheru na andu othe mamenye. Constitution iria ikwanjia guthondekwo niguo turoiga andu aingi matiui uria Constitution yugite. Nayo nitungienda na nitwarecommend ati Katiba iria iguthondekwo ithomithanagio thiini wa cukuru tari lesson, nigetha mwana akiuma cukuru agakoragwo akimenya section na yugite una. Na mundu wothe akinyitwo niamenyage nguthitangwo na section na.
Political parties twi nacio iheo equal footing na ni getha igie na hinya ona iri cia upizani. Iheagwo nginya mbeca nacio ni thirikari na iteithiririo ni thirikari. Itige kuhinyiririo na imwe itige kumerio ni iria ingi.
Cultural right – Ta riu umuthi ungithii kwendia njuguma. Ta riu ringi na ringi mundu no etikirio kwendia njuguma, uria ungi akendia banga,uria ungi nake arendia kina. No hari andu matangitikirio kwendia. Tukona kabira iria iri thiini wa Kenya ciheo equality na othe maiganane na guthomithanio maundu maria thirikari itikirite. No ti mamwe ma kabira na ma kabira iria ingi akorwo matiraiguithania. Kiria twagiriirwo ni gukorwo twina kio ni uniformity thiini wa bururi uyu witu wa Kenya. Kabira ciothe ciigananio. Na kwa haya machache nasema asante.
Com. Kabira: Period iria ukuheo ni getha ukiresign. Ungiaga kuresign what happens?
Francis: Ngwiciria Constitution ingikorwo ina hinya, President, economy ingihitana ihinda-ini riake ni agiriirwo guspecify time say aheo kahinda. Aheo kindu gitagwo warning tondu hena economists thiini wa bururi wa Kenya. Nao maheo hinya wa kuadvise President on the economy. Ni getha rikihitana-ri constitution ispell wega hihi gukorwo gukimenyeka thutha wa ihinda riigana una niagiriirwo ni kuresign.
Com. Kabira: Ii aaga kuresign voluntarily?
Francis: Angiaga kuresign voluntarily then tondu ndari iguru ria watho-ri, we can take him to court.
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Com. Kabira: Thank you. We now have James Gitau.
James Gitau: Muri ega? Nii ritwa riakwa ni James Gitau. No gwendaga kuga Constitution iria ingienda tukorwo twinayo korwo no kuhoteke ongorwo ni mbunge tukaiguaga, gukira gutindaga tukirwo uria muheshimiwa araugaga, korwo no ikoragwo ii life tuiguage ni wega muno. Ningi korwo no kuhoteke assistant chief and chief tukamachagura.
Ningi ngakiona ati Katiba njega niikorwo ii bururi mwega. Korwo no kuhoteke gukorwo na kiama ta giki turaigua kiretwo Anti-corruption Unit wakorwo nita guku Engineer hena provision gukorwo kwina wabici haria nigetha okorwo ni handu wabici ni ya thirikari kana handu haria hangi wagithii wona weruo una ndugeke, ona akorwo no mbia wagitio ugatiga mundu ucio agatiga niwahingia undu uria ukwendekanaga. Ni getha tugikorwo na katiba njega bururi-ini wothe. Ndiri na maingi.
Karuri: Muri ega inyuothe? Nii ndiri group, ni mawoni makwa. Na ngwendaga kudwell na maundu meri – Parliament na President. Tondu maundu macio nimo supreme na nimo matumite bururi uyu witu ukorwo wi muthuku. Ingienda Katiba iria tugukorwo nayo idelink uhoro wa kuinaga President. Kana President kwaga gukorwo ati niwe uugaga anything. Ikorwo, iria ingi ciothe ikorwo cii na hinya kuoguo tudelink President totally na running ya maundu maria matamukonii tondu kuri na andu aria macaguritwo a kuruta wira ucio. Kwoguo Parliament nitui niya just men and women ikorwo na uhoti wa kuvett even the President tondu niyo ina representation ya bururi wothe, no President ni individual. Akorwo atari na hinya kinya wa kuappoint cabinet ministers. Maritwa matwarwo Parliament ma cabinet, metikirika ni Parliament riu hindi io no agathii na mbere kuappoint. Kwoguo maritwa ma-proposwo ma cabinet, mathii Parliament metikirika, andu acio makorwo ni andu clean tondu currently twina ukora ukoretwo wiho. We have evil people me thiini wa cabinet. And when they are led by an evil person, ndukuexpect anything good.
Kuogwo tukorwo twina andu mavettetwo ni Parliament. Parliament ikorwo ii supreme.
Cabinet ministers makorwo ni
marvettwo ni Parliament. Chief justice akorwo niaravettwo ni Parliament. Commissioner of police ikorwo ti appointment ya President tondu when it comes ati President aracagura arata ake aracagura mikora ingi na guku. Some are killers, they continue killing. Kuoguo nii nguonaga Parliament ikorwo ii supreme. President akorwo ari answerable to Parliament na nigetha undu wothe utwike passed ni Parliament tondu Parliament is supposed to be of just men and women but not of corrupt people. Kuogwo nii ngugaga hakwa tuinsist Parliament to be supreme. Na President ndari na uhoti wa kudissolve Parliament kana kubunja. Akorwo ati ni hagie na mechanism iria akorwo ni calendar yakinya hindi yayo Parliament ikedissolve. Yakinya hindi iria parliament yagiriire ni kuhingurwo through that mechanism, Parliament ikaresume sessions ciayo. But tweherie President thiini gukorwo ati niwe uroiga everything. Kinya riu akinyite to an extent citizens makagia na guoya makafeel hihi ta riera, President ataugite niwega ta hatagiriire. Tukorwo ni tui ati mundu ugwitwo Commissioner of police araruta wira wa public tondu acaguritwo ni Parliament na government io ni ya andu. Angorwo ni provincial commissioner, maundu macio tweherie President. Please, thanks.
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Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Mr. Karuri.
Paul Kamau Waweru: Njitagwo Paul Kamau wa waweru. Handu hau ndirenda nii ti kwaria ndiraria tondu kahinda gakwa ti gakinyu no ni nguria kiuria. Hena thina, ndirenda kuiguithia Commission ino ati urimi wa guku wi goro muno gukira wa kundu kungi. Tondu indo iria ciothe tuguraga ciagutuma urimi witu uthii na mbere indo icio ikoragwo ina goro. Kwoguo-ri kindu kioima na ruraya, o matiri taxes nyingi makoragwo mekiriirwo. No mendie kindu kiao uria marona. Riu nikio urona haha hena utiganu wa ciringi 20 cia iriana ciringi mirongo itatu tondu o matiri taxes makoragwo mena cio. Ningi riria mekurima kwao input ciao itikoragwo ina goro indo iria maragura thiini wa nduka. My recommendation ni ati thiini wa thirikari indo ikonanitie na urimi ciehererio taxes.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much.
Paul Kamau Waweru: Nindamugeithia inyuothe. Commission ni ngwenda kumwira nii wa mbere ngwenda kwaria uhoro ukonanitie na President. President arikia guthurwo niwe mwene utongoria wa bururi wothe, niagiriirwo ni kumenya kuuma hau ati wira wake egukorwo akirutithania wira na MPs ake oothe. Na aria mamuthurite thiini wa bururi. Na guikara gwake ni miaka ina (4), two terms only. No acoke amenye gutiri wira ungi egukorwo enaguo. Ti matatu ati agurage matatu ni yake haria, ti taxi iria ikuanaga ni ciake, ti mbathi iria irathii njira ni yake. Mbeca cia harambee ni ciake mwenyewe no ti guthiaga gwitia thiini wa ministry akaneo agathii nacio harambee.
Akarutaga mbeca iria tumuheaga mucara.
Uhoro wa marua
kwandikaga ithaka cia thirikari cia andu atigane nacio kwandikagira andu magathii makaheo githaka grabbing ithaka cia andu, public, itiganwo nacio. Agithio power no athitangwo any time angikorwo nioneka ena mahitia ekite niagiriire ni guthitangwo, ti above the law. Ucio uuma uhoro wa President.
Vice President agiriire ni guthurwo ni muingi. Na acoke aheo power ati arikia guthurwo, riria President atari ho, no ahitukie maundu mothe maria President ekaga. No ti guka kwiruo niarendaga giti. Aheo power ya gwika maundu maria mothe mekagwo ni President tondu ni muthure ni andu.
Riu ndi mwena wa MPs: MPs magiriire ni guthurwo thi yothe na uhoro wa andu. No ti uhoro wa ithaka. Akorwo ni andu miringo iri me haha, ona kuria kungi gukorwo kwi mirongo iri no ti MP athurwo ni andu ikumi na etagwo no MP. Ungi athurwo ni 50,000 macoke matuike othe ni MP. Kwoguo athuragwo na uingi wa andu no uria ahana, no ti ithaka. MP mathii kuruaga kuria maheo discipline ni gucambia Parliament iitu kuruaga thiini wa Parliament.
Nimagiriire gukorwo makimenya nio
mathondekaga law na mangirua hagie na njira ya gutuma maheagwo punishment. Either ni kuimwo micara ta mieri itano magaikara mucii.
Riu nguka mwena wa githomo: Githomo gituike free gwi ciana ciothe kuma primary nginya form 4. Na gwathianga na hau mbere ona university irorwo ni undu wa ciana. Kwina athini aingi muno bururi-ini witu maroragirwo ciana gutigacoke gutuika 22
gutiri na mbia. Ni kuingatwo maraingatwo. Githomo kirorwo miena yothe ati muciari ndaraingatirwo mwana mucii. Thirikari ikuue njukumu io ya kuona ciana ni irathoma ciothe. Makiria kwage Kenya mwana utakinyite form 4. Gucoke quotally iria iho mwana na ugi wake athiage thukuru iria athii no ti kuga tondu haha Engineer nihahituthia ciana nyingi ikuoywo o igiri tondu quota yao ninjiyuru. Mwana ucio oywo na uria ahitukite. Gucoke o thukuru mwarimu akorwo ni mwarimu munene wa thukuru ahitia na anina thukuru io ndagacoke guthii kuheagwo mandaraka ona miena yothe ya thirikari. Ati riria wahitia guku handu ha kubutwo kana utwarwo wira munyinyi, ugathii ukaheo giti kingi kinene. Watuhitiria guku, uume guku uthii unyihio, no ti uthii uheo giti tukuonage riu niwe munene niunenehire. Uhoro wa nyamu: Nyamu nacio niiroraga andu na twina KWS. Ciamoraga, watwara uhoro ucio, urakuuwo onawe ta wi nyamu. Nduratikwo serious. Ndurecirio mundu ucio uragitwo. Nitukumenya uhoro ucio, uhoro ucio ugathiiywo. Andu acio ringi ni ithe wa ciana uragirwo, ciana icio ciothe igatura ii thiniku na itirathinikaga. Irateithagio ni ithe ucio na nioragirwo ni nyamu. Uhoro ucio ukorwo wi serious gwi thirikari, mundu oragwo ni nyamu na ena family, akarumirirwo na agateithirio andu ake othe. Akorwo ni irio ciathukio ni nyamu, mundu ucio aronaga income yake na irio icio, ni itige kurorwo ouguo gutuike ni nyamu irariire nake aikare o uguo. Mundu ucio irio icio ciake ni irihwo na arorerwo angikorwo hari undu ungi eguteithio ukonanitie na irio icio cia thukio, aheo uteithio.
Police: Borithi yarikia kunyita mundu, na niatwarwo custody, acoka atwarwo igoti-ini, oneka ndari na ihitia, angikorwo araigitwo thiku 3 kana 2 thirikari ikariha mundu ucio thiku icio aikarite.
Crisis: Bururi wanyu ukagiaga na crisis. Crisis yugaga atiriri, ni andu makarega kuiguana makarua no riu-ri, nithiaga ikoneka ta ina thirikari crisis io. Andu makoragwo ni thirikari yao. Oo hau President agiriirwo kurugamio ni Parliament. Arugamio ni Parliament erethe tondu nitwanyita thigari cigana una na nitui thigari icio cigana una ciuma kuu-ri, nicio irahura andu-ri, eretha tondu wi thirikari-ini. Crisis yoima ku na ti na ti andu kwa andu ni thirikari irarua? Akarugamio. Na ekurugamio muaka mugima. Undu uyu Commission ireka, ndigathii irwo mugwika uu ni undu wa wendo wa mundu umwe. Handu ha hadharani wike uguo andu makwira na power ya andu aya. Commission iike uguo. No ti wendo wa mundu umwe ati tugwika uu. Aca. Mukorwo mwi independent. Mutigathii mwakinya kuria gutuike nyamu ino tureka ni undu wa mundu umwe. Commission imenye uguo kuma riu ati ireka ni undu wa ithui no ti wendo wa mundu umwe kana eri. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Give us your memorandum. Mutua niokite. Okey.
Moses Mutua: Niwega muno na mawoni maria mandikitwo ni peace and justice Commission ya parish ino. Katiba iitu ndikoretwo ina muoroto, iria ikoretwo hau kabere. Muoroto wa mbere kana objectives. Ndikoretwo ina objectives na objectives cia mbere kana muoroto, kana Katiba niundu wa atuuri a bururi uyu. Katiba ino no nginya ithondekwo ni andu enyewe ni undu wa mathina mao maria monaga. Nituonete ningi ati, Constitution iitu no nginya ikorwo iri thi wa muingi. Constitution ni kuuga mawatho macio twarikia gwikira marikoragwo me rungu wa muingi wa bururi. No nguga handu haria 23
hangikorwo hagicengio kana hangikorwo hihi nitwicenjia, muingi ukoorio kana ni hagiriire no ti gucenjerio na hau tutaramenya. Thiini wa bururi witu niturona ati nitwagite kindu kimwe kana thiini wa Constitution iitu ndiratuitikiria tukorwo tugiciria uhoro wa andu a Kenya ta andu a nyumba imwe. Kwoguo Constitution niitwitikirie tutuike kindu kimwe na tutuike andu manyitanite na matangihota kuohoranio.
Thiini wa mioroto iitu kana state policy. Niturarora tukona gender policy kana kunyitana ithuothe, tukona atumia na arume tukorwo me kindu kimwe na magitirwo ona uria munini muno. Tukigweta uhoro wa uria munini muno, turarora ona cionje, turarora ona mundu uria utari na hinya othe makorwo makigitirwo ni Katiba iitu. Ciana, andu agima ona aria akuru othe nao meciririo onao makorwo makigitirwo ni gukorwo ciana nyingi muno ni ikoretwo ikiona mathina.
Mitugo iitu ya ugikuyu – Mitugo iitu ya Agikuyu, traditional customs kana mitugo ya mundu o wothe wi Kenya mitugo yao ya unduire nayo niibatarainie muno ni gukorwo amwe tuthiite tukoima na nja tukambiriria kuoya maundu ma athungu.
Democracy principles – Constitution iitu niyagiriire gukorwo gukorwo ikirumirirwo na ndikae kunangwo o muthenya uria mundu eciria. Tondu Constitution iitu marima maria makoretwo me ho irari ho nimo matumite bururi witu ukorwo uhuana uguo uhuana. Andu oothe ni maiganaine thiini wa bururi witu. Ona tutekurora uhoro wa uteti, utonga, miturire ya mundu ona kana cia right gutiri mundu wi above the other. Tutiri mundu wi iguru ria aria angi na kuoguo gutiri mundu wagiriire ni gutuika ati angihitia ndangitwarwo igoti-ini. Kwoguo ona President ndagiriire gukoruo ari above the law.
Constitution Supremacy - Constitution iitu, mawoni ma andu nimagiriire ni gukorwo makioywo mbere. Na mawoni maya ma andu marikia gucokaniririka, muingi niucokerio na wone kana niguo woigite. Thutha wa umuthi turaruta mawoni maitu, no nitukwenda marikia gucokaniririo na ithui turicokerio tuone kana niguo tuoigite. Tondu twina kiguoya no gukorwo hihi ni nyandike ona tukirutaga mawoni maitu. Hangikinya handu ni igucenjio, nitui wega akorwo hari kaundu kangicenjio, ni kuri na national referendum. Na national referendum niyagiriire gukorwo ina representatives a district ona akorwo ni atatu-atatu magicoka gucemania na aria makarehe feedback ati mawoni manyu nimakinyire kuria magiriire. Kuoguo gugikinya ni gucenjio onao ni metwo nigetha onao marugamirire muingi uyu ungi.
Citizen - Nuu muturi wa bururi uyu kana nuu citizen? Ni andu othe aciari ao eri maciariirwo bururi wa Kenya. Ni ciana ciothe iria aciari ao ni a Kenya ona makorwo bururi ungi. Ni ciana ciothe ona ciakorwo ciina muciari umwe (tondu airitu no marakigia na ciana me mucii na ringi matikihikite) mwana ucio ni citizen. Angikorwo mami wao niakuire na ithe akiri ho kwoguo mwana ucio onake ni citizen ona angikorwo ena single parent.
Structure and system of the government - Chiefs mathuragwo ni muingi na nigetha makoragwo makihe gitio muingi uria maratungatira. Chiefs makorwo mari a miaka 40 and above. Tukorwo twina Prime Minister uria urikoragwo akirora the governing of the country. President akorwo eho no ni wa bururi wi wothe but the Prime Minister akorwo akigovern the 24
government. Aria othe marithuragwo councillors, ona chiefs makoragwo mena githomo kia ‘O’ level and above.
The electral system and process – Kandi cia githurano ikaheanagwo gukiheanwo ibande ti hindi iria ithurano ciakuhiriria andu makambiriria guteng’erithio na makaheo thiku ndare. Thiku icio ndare andu matioete ibande ona ndagika ta ino na ni undu ucio tutiramenya kana nimaritikirio na kuoguo ihinda-ini riria riguka kandi cia githurano iheanagwo o undu umwe na ibande. Kuoguo undu ucio uthiage na mbere hingo ciothe. Commission ya githurano yagiriire ithuragwo ni mbunge no ndigathuruo ni uria urathana ta President.
Na nigetha ambunge acio nimarihotaga kumenya kana marikia kumathura, nio tuthurite na nio
maturugamiriire na kuoguo nimarihotaga kuruta wira na njira iria yagiriire.
Tariki cia guthurana niciagiriirwo gukorwo
cigitangathwo mbere tondu ikoragwo ringi na ringi andu makoimirirwo o uguo, tugathurana tariki cigana una. Kuogwo ni getha andu makoragwo me aware tondu nio marenda guthura uria ukumatongoria na ino nikugiririria gukoragwo kuri na mieke ya uici wa kura tondu mubango niugukorwo wi mubange. President uria wahota niagiriire gukorwo ena 51% in the total votes cast in the whole country. 51% niturona ni vote njega na kuouo niegukorwo akiri na vote njagiriru. Kundu kuria kuraikirio miti nokuo kwagiriire gugakorwo gugitarirwo miti. Hindi ino transportation ya voting boxes kana boxes icio cina votes, hau niho maundu mokagira. Na nikuo mitego iri mathanduku mangi magacenjanio kana magakiongererwo na mithemba io tugakorwo tukiona mathina. Na kuoguo ona uria utakihotete akahotanira hau gatagati-ini.
Mbunge – Mbunge niyagiriirwo ni kuheo hinya ni getha ithurage ministers, ti President uria uratongoria. Tondu acio nimekuhota kuminengera minister uria waganiriire kuringana na githomo giake. Gwakorwo ni minister wa health, nianengerwo health niatige gutwarwo kwa wildlife, ndathomeire uhoro wa nyamu cia githaka. Parliamentary/ Judiciary committee ni yagiriire gukorwo ikuo ni kuuga ati thiini wa Parliament gukoragwo kwina parliamentary/judiciary committee na ino judiciary iria ithuritwo thiini wa parliament niyo irithuraga Chief Justice. Chief Justice uria urarora mawatho agathuragirwo thiini wa mbunge. Ni undu ucio, hau niho turakionaga Parliament nikorwo na hinya wa kuvote a vote of no confidence kana mangiona President ndarahota gukorwo agiathana wega makamuoera vote of no confidence.
Constitution iitu no kinya ikorwo ikirumirirwo ni andu othe tutekumenya nia. Constitution ningi no kinya ithondeke kindu gitagwo Judicial Service Commission. Constitution iitu no nginya igitire majudge me mothe. No nginya igitire atuuri a bururi uyu. No kinya ihe muturi wa bururi uyu right ciake, cia miaririe, mithiire, miikarire ona cia kwiyaria meciria make.
Mwena wa wathani – President agireire gukorwo na 2 terms cia miaka 5-5. President no nginya akorwo ee mundu uhikanitie na mundu wina stable family. President turonaga akorwo ena miaka 45 na agakiretire na miaka 60.
Cultural Resources and Ethnic Religion: Constitution iitu no kinya igitire tradition na mitugo iitu ii yothe na njira ii yothe. Na Constitution iitu no nginya ningi icokie village elders handu ha assistant chief. Constitution iitu niyagiriire kwona ati niyanina mbara cia ukabira. Constitution iitu no nginya yonanie niyarehe unyitanu na urumwe (unity). Niyagiriirwo ningi gukorwo ikiona ati nihagia na iherithia rigima ria mundu o wothe ungirehe mbara cia gikabira. Constitution iitu, ngirikiriria, point ino niyo ya 25
muico, Constitution iitu, no nginya yone ati niyacenjia mituire ya macira igoti-ini. Mundu aiya mirion imwe, akohwo mieri itatu ni getha atumire mbeca icio. Mundu uiire ciringi 10 na ringi ni kuhuta akohwo miaka 2. Sheria iyo niyaroraga muthungu hau kabere ikombe ciake cia kauru itikaiywo ni aria mararuga na gwiciria ihinda-ini riri tiguo kuri. Kwogwo mundu aherithagio, kana aheagwo punishment kuringana na ihitia riake. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Mr. Mutua. These village elders. Ukugite chief maelectagwo. Chiefs should be elected? Sub-chiefs meherio? Muthondeke village elder?
Mr. Mutua: Sub-chiefs meherio ndirona wira wao.
Gideon: Nindamugeithia inyuothe. Muri ega? Ona nii ndi mwega. Ningenete nitondu wa gukorwo ndi haha. Maritwa makwa ni Gideon kandegoro wa Glory House Assembly, Engineer. Maundu maria ingienda kwaria ngwenda kwaria very brief na ni getha he andu acio angi chance yagukorwo nao makiaria.
Undu uria ngwenda kwaria wa mbere, ngwendaga kwaria uhoro wa Katiba iria ingi tugukorwo twinayo twitikirio ta uria Islamic mari magoti mao onao achristiano makorwo na magoti mao. Na nikio muonaga ona Islam they are at liberty ni tondu mathagwo ni mawatho mao. Ni tondu kwi macira mangi mathiaga ringi mara-need gukorwo mundu uhonokete ni getha ahote kumatua wega nitondu ringi matuo ni mundu utoi niekumatua uru.
Wa keri, Katiba iria tugukorwo twinayo Christian ministers should be given clear coverage by the media and the press or the TV nitondu mahinda maya tukoragwo namo maingi ungiona pastor akabitwo ni media kana press kana TV, mbia iria ararihio ringi ni nyingi muno. Na ingi ipindi niikoragwo cii cia tuhu ona iria itararihio kindu. Tunginyihanyihirio thogora wa those media, I think nitukuhota kwendesha ijili. Na mukutano uria wathii wahonokwo muno onaguo ugagikabwo ni ngathiti. No riu ngathiti ikabaga pastor makiiya, magitharia, magikorwo micii nyene. Kwoguo tukabagwo ni media a fair coverage.
Point no. 3. Laws citu kana mawatho maitu matikoragwo me sealed. Makoragwo matigitwo ta mawatho maria ma animal farm. Men should sleep, men should not sleep in beds gakongererwo haria muico with bracket, ugatuika watho. Kwoguo mawatho maria tuguthondeka makorwo me sealed.
Ngiuga uguo ndiroiga tondu riria kuragiire na merger ya KANU na NDP nikwagire watho ungituma andu acio magathurwo. Kwoguo watho witu ndwari sealed. Tondu watho thiini wa Katiba gukioneka andu acio no maikare kuu na maikare mari ambunge gutari na watho wa defection. Thank you.
Ucio ni undu ungi mwega. Undu wa kana: President uria ungithurwo thiini wa bururi, niagiriirwo gukorwo na legal wife. Aingata, kana ma-divorce niagiriirwo ni gwitwo ni getha mamenyeke nikii tondu angiremwo ni gwatha mucii wake ndangihota 26
gwatha bururi. Mutumia wake angikua niagiriire ahikanie tondu ona aria angi no marahikania. Tondu athii micemanio na ndirakiuga a guku aingi matari atumia monaga atumia ene mikutano-ini. Ugakoraga muthuri niaragiire na heart failure tondu aragitunyirwo ni President busikness mutumia. No ena mutumia wake nimarithiaga kaingi nake na kuoguo ndangikorwo na ukora muingi. Wa mbere ndiri muteti nikio itarenda kuingira uteti muno.
The Vice President should be an acting President when the President is out of the country. Uguo tiguo kuhana gwitu. Vice President akoragwo eta stooge, kibicha. No niagiriire gukorwo ee the acting President. Ati undu wothe wa dharura no uke thiini wa country na a-secure tondu niwe acting President.
Ngirikiriria tondu njugire ngwenda guthii muno, presidential directive should be followed or taken seriously. Mahinda maria tukoragwo na presidential directive itikoragwo na bata. They are always useless. Nindonaga hindi imwe President angiogire bara ino niigwikirwo rami, igekirwo tondu ni presidential directive. Kuoguo niciagiriire kufollow angiuga bara ikirwo na ndikirwo akorio kiuria. No riu uyu witu ndoragio. Njugire ti uteti. No niturenda ucio ungi uguka akorwo akiurio kiuria woigire bara ya Ol Karau nigekirwo rami na ndiekirirwo. Why? Woigire Nyayo ward ni gugakorwo, gwathire atia? Tondu maundu maingi maratugia nigutiga na mianya. Hakaga gutigwo mwanya ona umwe. Gugakorwo kwi certain ati undu ucio niguo ugwikika kuma hau na ugathii na mbere tondu ni President woiga. Tondu ni nguona, gwakwa ingitiga ndoiga irima rienjwo, ninii njagiriire kumenya riagire kwenjwo niki. Ona ciana ni cinjuragia baba uroigire tuheo iria na mami ndanatuhe tondu nanii ndi iguru ngoiga, maheo. Ona President niekwendeka undu arauga no ukamenyeka niatia aroiga. Kuoguo ngiaria kiugo kiu nigetha specify wega – we don’t want any promises from a President. Akorwo ee mundu fair. Oiga andu nimegwiko una, hagakorwo he mbia cia gwika uguo tondu niwe President. In fact the minister concerned oiga uhoro wa mbia oiga gutiri oige ciikirwo. Ta riu ungiuga urugiruo ngima thaa mugwanja-ri, na gutiri mutu-ri githi ti tuhu? Kwoguo ngwendaga kuuga the next government ikorwo itari na empty promises na nigetha tuhote gwika kuringana na uria kwagiriire.
Freedom of worship – Thiini wa mawatho maria twinamo wa mbere they are not specific. No uhoe muti, no uhoe kiria giothe ungienda na no uhoe ngoma. The coming rules cituike specified. There is freedom of worshiping God. Kwogwo twoiga ti Ngai urahoya gakahingwo. Ndirona ta ngukinyia hau ni tondu wa kuhe ucio ungi ihinda na ngirikia ningwenda kuga undu umwe. Ati he kindu ngutigite very important.
The civil servants and administration matigage gukorwo mari ariu thiku cia wira. Ituike specific na ikorwo ni watho ungimoha na umagirie gukorwo me kuu. Urakora muthigari ena mucinga (na mundekere tondu mukiri arata aitu) na ndarahota kuunyita arainaina moko uu. Angiratha uu? Hatiri. Because they are not sober. No korwo makorwo me sober andu aitu nitugukorwo tukiigua turi alinde. (Bell) Reke ngirikia, gutiriha ti uru.
Thiku ingi nikwirigite kugia na kisa. Ngari ikaiyuo, yahitukiire haha borithi maita meri. Police were in patrol na aria mari patrol makorwo ti ariu. No uria wari patrol ngari yathiaga igacoka tondu niaragwa onake ndaramenyeka kana e kuu kana e kwi 27
maraya. Kana matithiaga. Ngwendaga gutigira hau na macio manini. God bless you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Gideon. We move on to Wanjama.
Wanjama: Nindamugeithia, muri ega inyuothe? Nii Wanjama ndirarepresent PCEA Murungaru. Point no. 1 yakwa ni yario ni brother ucio uuma hau mbere ni uhoro wa devil worship. Tondu thiini wa bururi witu twina freedom of worship na ni mahitia muno tondu kana kwina freedom of worship niyagiriire gukorwo ii restricted to only worshipping the true God. Kuoguo freedom of worship ikorwo watho ucio niwikiritwo, kwina freedom no ni kuhoya Ngai uria mutura muoyo. Tondu rimwe haria Murungaru mecemanio-ini wa DO muthuri umwe arugamire akiuga Ngai na ngoma ni undu umwe. Na ikinya riria rioirwo ni DO no kumwira ehere, ‘wee ndona ta wi muhoi wa ngoma’ but hatiri undu ungi angiamwikire. Kuoguo gukorwo kwina watho wa kurestrict mundu ahoe o Ngai uria mutura muoyo.
Point no. 2. Free education for all. Ciana ciothe kana ni cia gitonga kana ni cia muthini, iheo githoma gia tuhu na gikorwo gi compulsory.
Point no 3 kwage importation of locally produced goods. Okorwo nita guku turakama iria na tugakorwo na thina muno tondu iria riroima na nja, akorwo ni andu aria mendagia cukari taguo. Kuoguo Parliament iheo powers ciagwitikiria akorwo kwina kindu gikuimportwo, Parliament igakorwo niyo igwitikiria nigetha mamenye kwina scarcity akorwo ni ya iria, akorwo ni ya cukari, akorwo ni ya kindu kiria kingi.
Point no. 4. Electral Commission. Chairman na Attorney General na Chief Justice na atongoria aya anene thirikari-ini, mathurwo ni Parliament.
Point no. 5. Commission findings should be made public. Commission yathurwo thiini wa bururi witu wa Kenya cirathurwo nyingi ikaga wira. Gukagia na Uhuru Commission, Kiliku Commission, maundu macio mothe macoka matuirio, Commission io yathii ukona uhoro ucio niwathira. Kwoguo gukahana kwina mbeca nyingi muno ciahuthirwo cia bururi na igatuika ciahuthirwo cia tuhu. Kwoguo Commission o yothe ya setwo, kana yasetwo ni President igatigirira wira uria yaseterwo niwarikirira na niwatuika public kwi members. Akorwo ni minister waset Commission, agatigirira wira ucio niwarikirira na ungiaga kurikirira agakorwo e answerable. Ngwiciria ngukinyia hau. Asante.
Com. Kabira: Thank you muno. Reke ngurie kiuria tondu issue ino niyukite maita ta matatu uguo. Issue ya importation ya irio iria irakurio. Na he muthuri umwe ugire atiriri, ndiui kana ni iria oigire riumaga mirongo itatu guku local (locally produced milk). No riria riarehwo kuma nja-ri, riroima 20. Kuoguo muthini-ri eguthii agure riu ria 20. May be ni wega gwiciria uhoro wa discrepancy io. Tondu ungiuga muthini ndakae kugura riria rina raithi. So you need to think kana nikuga ukuga ritikaimportwo kana ni subsidize farmers nigetha nao farmers mendie iria ri raithi ni getha nake muthini eke atia? Ndiui kana nitwunderstand. 28
Tondu uhoro ucio niwoima maita maingi muno. Ndeyuria nake muthini turamwika atia? Tondu akorwo nituraproduce iria na rirendio goro nayo thirikari ingi ni isubsidizate farmers kwao nikio iria riu riroima raithi. How do we deal with issue io ya kiria. Tondu ndungiuga ati muthini agurage indo goro. Ndirenda kuinfluence views no ningi making a Constitution no njira ya gwiciria uria tureka ati. Tondu no muhaka u-compare tondu angikorwo muthini aragura ona matumbi na nindiraiguire makirwo ringi matumbi maria maragurwo 80 shillings moimite South Africa namo ma guku marendio 130. Githi tiguo. Kuoguo surely ingithii supermarket riu no ngorirwo ndiragura ni gutuika patriotic ngure na no muhaka ngikorwo ndina mbeca nigetha ngure macio ma kii ma 130 nake muthini no akiagire kuria. Tondu ndungitiga ma 80 ugure ma 130. Isn’t it. Aria angi me kupresent views ngwiciria ni wega ku-deal na issue io both ways.
Wanjama: Ngwendaga kuga nyuma thiini wa point yakwa no tondu ni hindi yoka-ri, wa utuku ucokagirio utuku. Riu ndirenda kuga atiriri, uhoro uyu wa murimi thiini wa thirikari iria twina yo ndimwiciritie ona hanini ni tondu korwo ni iciritie uhoro wa murimi, warora akorwo ni input thiini wa urimi-ri, tuuge kwa muhiano fertilizer, seeds na maundu macio mangi ari murimi wa kigwa, ari murimi wa mbembe, ari murimi wa iria, ari murimi uria ungi, input iria arekira thiini wa urimi wake niirakorwo cii so high ni tondu ringi ni ringi indo ici ciumite nanja na cioima na nja ni iri na tax ihuritwo. Ciakinya ni indo ici ciakuma nanja the same iria turaproduce guku thiini wa bururi-ri, cioima na kuria nja-ri itiri na tax irahurwo. Iroka tax free. Uguo-ri mwiciria wa murimi ndiciritie uhoro wa murimi. Tondu korwo nieciritie uhoro wa murimi twarora akorwo ni kahua kana ni kii thiini wa murimi, thiini wa Kenya input igakorwo ii so high. Kwa muhiano ongorwo ni iria riu, riroima ciringi 30 per kilo, nario riria ringi riroima ciringi 20. No input ona hindi io riroima ciringi 30 ri no gukoruo input ni 35 iria ekirite handu hau. Uguo thiini wa new Constitution-ri ni yagiririirwo ni gukorwo igi-consider murimi tondu bururi witu utuikaga ni agricultural country aheo the first priority Constitution iria iho, murimi wothe, wiwa kahua, wiwa kii wa bururi aheo kahinda. Uguo niguo ingicokia.
Com. Kabira: Uroiga matige gutax input? Sorry. Can you come and explain. Turenda kudeal na murimi. Na murimi, na muthini. Miena yeri. Tudeal na muthini ndagatuike niwe uragura cia goro ii. Thank you.
Paul: Njitagwo Paul Kamau wa Waweru. Handu hau ndirenda nii ti kwaria ndiraria tondu kahinda gakwa ti gakinyu no ni nguria kiuria.
Mutua: Sub-chief meherio ndirona wira wao.
Com. Kabira: Muthondeke village elders council. Village elders macokio handu ha assistant chief.
Mutua: Handu ha assistant chief. Na dina gitumi.
Com. Kabira: A council or individuals?
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Mutua: Ni council tondu nikuhota kurora miena na miena. Ndina itumi na ni ngucigweta. Wa mbere ni tui wega ona mugunda warikia kurio ni ngombe, kana ngombe yakwa niyaria, athuri a itura no maritumwo moke mone mugunda uria wariirwo. Kwoguo assistant chief gatagati-ini gaka tutirona wira wake.
Com. Kabira: Ta aigana? Ni constituency kana ni location, kana ni sub-location kana marathurwo at what level?
Mutua: Sub-ocation level.
Com. Kabira: Okey. Aigana?
Mutua: Gukudepend na range uria andu mekuona.
Com. Kabira: Ni hari atumia?
Mutua: No nginya turore kinya atumia.
Com. Kabira: Ni wega muno. Thank you very much Mr. Mutua. Antony Chege. Sorry. Father Niekwendaga kuongerera point imwe kana igiri.
Father Mwai: Nii njitagwo father Mwai na tumaundu turia ndirenda kuongerera ni undu munyinyi muno tondu maundu maitu maingi ma kanitha nimarikia kugwetwo ni chairman witu wa peace and justice.
Com. Kabira: Tathikiriria hanini. Ni memorandum io ekwendaga kuongerera.
Father Mwai: Tukugweta kaundu kegie basic rights mwena wigii githomo. Thiini wa Kenya, githomo gituo gia tuhu na gituo ni kia watho hari ciana ciothe iria itakinyitie miaka 18. Ningi thiini wa Kenya mundu etikirio kugia na utonga handu hothe haria angitikira na agitagirwo o kuria guothe ariendaga guikara. Thiini wa mawatho ma Kenya, uhoro wa capital punishment kana mundu gutuirwo oragwo uthire kugie na njira ingi ya guteithia mundu ta ucio. Ningi thiini wa bururi uyu witu wa Kenya andu aria mena migunda mineene matahuthagira magetagio igoti niundu wayo ni getha igateithagia bururi. Kaundu karia kangi gakonainie na uhoro wa ndini. Kugie na uhoro wa freedom of worhsip o mundu wothe etikirio hindi iria angienda iria ikonainie na muturire wa andu. Na tondu Kenya ni kuri ndini nyingi muno, thiini wa Kenya, andu mangienda kwandikithia ndini yao kana mundu angienda kwandikithia ndini yake, akorwo na arumiriri adults makiria ya 1,000. Nigetha mundu ndageciragie ati o okira akanjiriria ndini yake. Agakorwo na arumiriri ta 1,000 agima na nigetha ndini iyo ikoneka ni irutanaga uhoro uria wama. Ningi thiini wa Kenya tondu kuri ndini nyingi muno ni wega ikorwo na mjumbe thiini wa Parliament kana member of Parliament ahana ta nominated member na athuragwo ni aria me mbunge. Ndini yothe ingioneka ina maundu satanic kana ina maundu ma uhoi wa 30
ngoma, ininwo na andu aria mamitongoragia matwarwo igoti-ini. Gucoke kugie na gitio kia maundu ma makanitha. Mari mathukuru kana mari shrines. Na ni wega.
Antony Chege: Muri ega. Maritwa makwa ni Antony Chege wa Kamau. Tumaundu turia ndirenda kugweta mbere ya Commission ino nituo tutu.
Ka mbere ni iguru ria President. President no muhaka akorwo na mucii. No ti akorwo e President na ndari na mutumia, uguo no muhaka akorwo ena mucii wake. Wa keri akorwo ena miaka kuma 44. Terms cia President ninguprefer ikorwo ciri terms igiri miaka 5-5. Na President ihinda riake ria kuuma wabici akorwo niarikia guthurukwo ni andu, aheagwo mda wa thiku 30 akoima wabici io. No ti agathurwo ta uria turathuranire hindi ingi thiini wa Kenya. Turathurana, na President e giti-ini. Na tutiramenya President arikia guthurukwo akoima wabici ri. Uguo tutirari na ihinda ati turathura President oime wabici muthenya uriku. Uguo muthenya ugakoragwo ukimenyeka akoima wabici muthenya muna tondu niarikia guthurukwo.
Undu uria ungi ni uhoro wa ciana – mwana wa muiritu akorwo ena kihoto kia mucii ota mwana wa kahii. Maita maingi thiini wa Kenya kana kuringana na watho wa Kenya, mwana wa muiritu angihika ahike mucii muthinu, ndari na kihoto gia gucoka mucii wao athii akagae. Ona angikorwo mwana aciaritwo ari umwe wa kahii niwe utigagirwo indo icio e wiki. Uguo kugie na kihoto kia mwana wa muiritu onake, arikia guciarwo thiini wa mucii, agie na kihoto gia kwaria mucii wao na kugaya ota mwana wa kahii. Tondu mwana wa kahii nake angihikania niagayaga mucii ucio. Uguo nake mwana wa muiritu agie na kihoto gia kugaya ota mwana wa kahii.
Undu uria ungi ni uhoro wigii factory. Factory niciakgwo thiini wa Kenya kuringana na kuria indo icio iroima no ti factory igathaiaga gwakwo githumo na ni kuo kumaga thamaki no gwakwo factory ya mboga na mboga turakuria thiini wa Kinangop. Uguo factory niciakagwo kuringana na indo iria irakurio kuu ni getha andu acio makahota guteithika noti makarihagio nginya transport. Araruta mboga guku agatwara githumo, igathondekwo, igacoka ikarutwo hau igatwarwo Nairobi ni getha ihaicio ndege. Uguo factory yakwo kuria kuri indo icio.
Undu uria ungi ngwendete kugweta ni uhoro wigie migunda. Maita maingi thiinii wa Kenya mugunda ungikinyirirwo ni kwario iguru ria guo, waragio ni magoti. Niingihoya Katiba iria tugukorwo twinayo, akorwo ni mugunda urario iguru ria guo ni family, ukaragio ni andu aria mari a family na andu aria maurigiciirie nigetha uhoro ucio ugathira na ihenya. No ti ugatwaragwo igotini tondu andu aingi matikoragwo na mbeca, nanikio kiratuma andu aingi matunywo migunda yao.
Undu uria ungi ni undu ukonii makanitha. Kanitha ni wega tugie na uhuru wa kuabudu. No kuringana na haria tukinyite, twina makanitha maingi ati ona umuthi korwo ni ng’ombe makanitha maria makitwo, tutingiona gwa gucingiria, tondu makanitha ni maingi gukira andu aria mekuo. Uguo nginyagia hau makanitha maria mekuo maikare-mo no matige kwandikithio mangi. Tondu mau makitwo mema kuhoya Ngai, na maria marakwo memakuhoya Ngai uguo gutige gukorwo makanitha mangi 31
marathii na mbere. Ngukinyia hau niwega.
Com. Kabira: Thank you muno Antony. Uguo urenda tu-reduce freedom of worship?
Antony: Ndinoiga tu-reduce.
Com. Kabira: Ungikigia na ndini ingi na nduri na kanitha ungika atia. Githi nduoiga makanitha tutigake mangi?
Antony:
Ndouga kanitha iria twinacio kuringana na andu aria twinao kanitha ni kwongererwo mekuongererwo tondu
marahoya Ngai no gutiri Ngai ungi uroka kuhoywo. Ngai uria urahoywo ari okuo na makanitha mekuo. Makanitha ni megwakuo no ku-registithia niguo ndauga makinyio hau tondu mothe marahoya Ngai. Mundu ni athii kuu makanitha makitwo.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Kwoguo freedom ikinye hau? Samuel Kamau. Thutha kurumirire Mbuthia.
Kamau: Muri ega inyuothe mukite? Nii njitaguo Samuel Kamau na njikara haria Nyayo Ward na kanitha huthagira kanitha wa PCEA.
Mawoni makwa maria nii ndinamo ona kana maria ndehete haha – ni hari muthenya umwe tuokite kufundithio kanitha-ini ni atongoria acio na tukirwo Tume ni iguka no ni hari ciugo caririo na ciugo icio ticio ihuthikite thiinii wa Kenya ona kana thiini wa bururi uyu witu. Nitwerirwo kiugo ati mundu angikorwo ena kibandi na mundu akorwo ena muti wa kura, mundu akorwo ena passport mundu ucio thiinii wa Kenya ndari handu atagiriirwo ni guikara. No twarora uria tuikarite tiguo kuhana uguo riu kuhana, nituthimiirwo ikeno. Na ingitua kuga uguo no njuge nii ta nii ndi umwe waumite Burnt Forest kuria kwari clashes. Andu angi ni kuigua maiguaga clashes – no clashes ikuo. Nii ndi umwe waikaraga Burnt Forest na ni kuuma ndoimire kuo. Reke njuge ni kuingatwo ndaingatirwo kuo. Angikorwo mugunda uria ndaikaraga naguo kuu ni kuheo ndahetwo na ndahetwo ni Kenyatta-ri, na rais uria wikuo mara yarikia kuma ndari ikinya oire andu makiingatwo-ri natugitunywo kinya ng’ombe na tugicinirwo micii-ri tugiikarite Kenya atia? Uria waheyanire migunda iyo ni kuhitia ahititie tondu ari rais na niwe watuheire migunda iyo. Gugituike riu kuria guothe kwaheanitwo ni Kenyatta andu ni megukiingatwo? Ona Kinangop tutigukiingatwo, guke guikarwo ni andu angi aria matari akuo. Uguo ni kuonania Kenya tutigitwo uria Kenya yagiriirwo ni guikara kana uria bururi witu wagiriirwo ni guikara. Ni tuthimmiirwo ikeno. Tondu nikuingatwo twaingatitwo, ithui twaingatirwo tugitunywo ng’ ombe, migunda, indo ciitu, na micii. Riu umuthi uyu kuria tuikarite nii ndi mukombori ona kana ndi muguri wa mugunda ngurite acre imwe, na kuria ndari na mugunda munene na ngitunywo. Riu ndina ciana ta ithano kana ithathatu-ri na atumia acre iyo imwe ni igutuigana? Ndingiigana no muhaka ngigure naningi mugunda ucio ona riu twi haha uguo andu marerwo macoke kwina thayu. Gutiri thayu wikuo – Kenya gutiri na thayu. Naingitua kuga uguo no njuge na undu urekika na ukonekana. Kiumia, Jumapili ino irari kuo na guku Ng’arua, andu makoragwo nyumba, makarutwo nyumba na makarathwo na makoragwo, na makorirwo nyumba makomete – ni thayu uriku tukiri naguo. Kenya no kugarurirwo maundu maria mekuo maigwo na muigire 32
uria magiriirwo ni guikara. No tutikerwo ati turerwo tucoke kwina thayu na andu macoka magathii kuragwo. Nii ndiri na maundu maingi ngwendete kuga ona ndiri undu ngwandikite no kiugo kiu kierirwo ati wina kibandi na wina muti na win a passport ati wi Kenya gutiri. Kuu twari Kenya, na ni twaingatirwo na tugitunywo migunda.
Com. Kabira: Riu atiriri ngurie ta murutwo, riu wa recommend twike atia?
Kamau: Andu magarurirwo maundu macio mothe twirwo twi Kenya. No ta riu twiragwo twi Kenya na tutiri Kenya. Tondu ta riu angikorwo ndaikara Burnt-ri na ni ndaingatirwo-ri, ndikiri Kenya iriku na guku no Kenya tukiri? Riu ona guku tutigukiingatwo tondu migunda ino nikuheo twakiheirwo. Tucokerio migunda itu tondu ni gutunywo twatunyirwo na indo tugitunywo.
Com. Kabira: Kuoguo ura-recommend aria mekire atia? Aria maingatirwo hindi ya tribal clashes macokerio migunda yao?
Kamau: Macokerio migunda kana makiheo migunda handu hangi tondu Kenya ikiri kuo. Tondu riu tutiri na migunda.
Com. Kabira: Thank you muno.
Kamau: Ona indo ciitu iria twatunyirwo, ta riu tungika mathabu, nii ta nii ninjikite ithabu na ni twetitio mathabu macio, na tugitwara mathabu macio kuria Eldoret. Nii indo ciakwa ndekite igakorwo na makiria ya 700,000 na hindi io nditarite mugunda. Ndarite indo iria ciakwa ciathire; ngombe, mburi, nguku. Indo icio nicio ndarite. Na nguo iria twatunyirwo na iria ingi ciahiire. Na indo icio gutiri kindu twarihirwo. Nitwatwarire maratathi na tutiarihirwo. Tutiui kana ciarihirwo ni thi ingi ti Kenya yarihaga. Tutiui kana ciarihirwo ikirio ni andu acio me Kenya kana ni thirikari iria ii Kenya.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Kamau.
Francis: Kwa jina ni Francis Mbuthia.
Com. Kabira: Ningwenda gu-clarify one thing nyonire kana mawoni maria mugu-confirm. Nigwenda kuga atiriri, report ino yandikwo-ri na ni yagiriirwo ni kwandikwo may be mueri wa July. Report io nigucoka icokio kuri andu nigetha mahote gu-confirm ati maundu maria ma-recommendete ni mara appear report-ini io. At least io is a requirement ya watho uria turarutira wira naguo. Ati report io niiku-discusswo thiku 60, Constitution itanandikwo nigetha andu ma-confirm ati maundu maria mothe moigire nimandikitwo.
Na riu ningi niekugite uhoro wa district representatives, na watho naguo ugite ati no muhaka guthuranwo andu atatu in each district aguthii to the National Constitution Conference haria Kenyans magathii ku debatira recommendations iria mukuheana. 33
Mutua ngu-recordaga ciuria igiri ukuraisate. Ii kuria kana andu nimekumenya ati mawoni maria maheanite nimekiritwo report-ini io. Na uria turacithondeka ni ati o constituency niugukora information yayo ii mwanya, ugacoka ugakora information ya province. Ta riu Central Province tondu riu mawoni maronganio the whole of Central Province. Ta riu kuri andu angi me constituency ingi iria ii Central Province. Mawoni ma Central Province megukorwo me mwanya na mawoni ma each constituency nimegukorwo me mwanya. No report iria mukareherwo yo nyene igakorwo ina mawoni ma bururi wi wothe no documentation centres niigakorwo na mawoni ta riu ma Central Province na ma constituencies. Ningwendaga gu-clarify hau. Na ni thengio nikuhe chance. Now you can go ahead.
Francis: Nii nindamugeithia thiini wa Mwathani. Tondu niwe utuhotithitie tukorwo twi haha na commissioners, akamarehe na riu twi haha. Pongezi ni tondu riri, koruo tuthiaga thii-ini wa Nyahururu-ri, kana Naivasha kana Nakururi, tutingiukite ithui tukite haha. Kuoguo ni pongezi.
Undu uria nyuma naguo ni atiriri, maoni yangu. Wasiobahatika ndani yetu. Aria tuturaga tugaga disabled. Thiini wa Kenya-ri, ona hindi ya Kenyatta-ri maundu maragio ma disabled. Na undu ucio ugekirwo hinya muno, na andu acio makahotherwo mbeca nyingi muno na hindi ino area ino, guku kanitha-ini guku gwitu. Turi na disabled school. Na atiriri, korwo ni nii nguthondekaga thirikari, as President no ndimihe ministry ya disabled. Tondu niturimagira ng’ombe, niturimagira mahua na tugathondeka mabururi maya mothe ni undu wa mambo ya dunia. No atiriri, ungiririkana wasiobahatika, ni andu aigana tuonaga guku thii-ini wa itura ritu? Kana thiini wa Nairobi? Tugakora cionje, andu mataiguaga, andu mataragia na andu acio me thiini witu. Na ungigeria kuonania thiini wa andu acio kana thirikari ina bata nao-ri, nii hakwa ni nyonaga thirikari ya Moi ndikoragwo na bata na disabled tondu twina MP. Ngathiti ya iyo ndathomire MP uyu ugwitwo Asinyo oigite atiriri, “thiini wa Kenya-ri wasiobahatika mationekaga kindu”. Na aheanire example njega akiuga atiriri – thiinii wa riria a-appointirwo MP aheirwo ni Moi kana ni Electrol Committee ati mweri mugima acuthiririo kana no ahote wira ucio. Na ni mundu wina hakiri. Na ni mundu wina degree yake, kwa nini? Kuoguo thirikari ya Moi ikoneka atiriri kuri maundu mamwe iigite kando na guku Kenya nitwagiriirwo gukorwo twina that ministry ya disabled. Angikorwo ng’ombe niiraheo, angikorwo mititu niiraheo, kwa nini watu?
Kuoguo commissioners aitu atiriri, muririkane wega muuno, nindiranyitire mutumia ucio ugwitwo Asinyo mbaru, na kaundu kau ugathome ngathiti, sijui ni ya ira kana io, Nation. Na undu ucio niwandurire muno na nikio ndoiga ndiwarie. Kaundu gaka ndagathondeka raithi muuno riria ngukaga, ngugaga hihi nitugukorwo twonete uguo. No kiria ingiuria ni atiriri, koruo ni nii thurwo, kana Kibaki, kana Matiba, kana Commissioner aya me haha umwe athurwo kana bwana Kiriro-ri ingikuria ugie na ministry ya disabled. Na tuthii na thanyu na ni wega muuno. Pongezi kwenu. Asante.
Paul Maina: Ngwenda o kumugeithia. Njitagwo Paul Maina. No nii ngwenda kwaria uhoro wa President.
President ndekwenda gukorwo bachelor. Tondu bachelor ingithurwo handu, gucoke gutuike ni harariririo undu ta wa ihu – mundu utari mutumia ndarutaga undu ta ucio. Undu uria ungi ningugweta o hanini tu, ngwete uhoro wa machief na assistant 34
chiefs. Njuge, twina thina muno na Katiba ino igithondekwo igerie kurora handu hau muno tondu ithui aciari nituraheana migunda tukahe ciana ciitu. Mwana ucio agakinya niekunuhanga mugunda ucio. Ugathii kuhinga mugunda ucio. No mwathii gwa chief akauhitukia na gituri. Uguo Katiba irore handu hau muno.
Undu uria ungi nguga tondu ndiuma na maingi muno, njuge uhoro wa githomo. Gikorwo gi kia bure. Tondu nituhinyiririkiire muno aciari ni gwitio mabuku, mbia cia guthomithia. Na andu aria maretio mbia icio itiri kuo. Thirikari itenge mbia icio cia guthomithia ciana.
Undu uria ungi ngirikia, ndiuma na maingi nyuma o kuhuta-hutia. Ni undu wigie borithi. Borithi irorwo muno thiini wa Katiba tondu mundu angikwira ta haha uthii ukareport borithi, ukwirwo no urutire mbia ngari yone maguta. Mundu ucio akarorwo na thiini wa DDC niigayaga mbia miena yothe. Uguo hau ha kurorwo muno ati mbia ciitio ngari yone maguta na thirikari niigaiirwo maguta niguo ngari ithii utuku na muthenya. Harorwo muno na ndiuma na maingi.
Peter Muikia: Mbere ni gucokeria commissioners ngatho nene muno. Na njoke njokerie father-in-charge ngatho ni undu wa gutwitikiria tuke turutire mawoni ma Katiba guku. Mbere ya maundu mothe, ngiaria mawoni makwa njitagwo Peter Muikia Kanyoi. Mbere ya maundu mothe, ngwamba kuhutia giti kia President wa bururi. President uria wikuo nitumwendete muno. Bururi witu nituwendete muno. No ningi mwathanire uria wi kuo, niguo utumite nginya bururi wa Kenya uhinyiririke ni undu wa kindu gitagwo corruption. Tondu wizara ino ya Office of the President nio itumite bururi uhinyiririke tondu niyo iingihitie kindu gitagwo corruption. Umite nginya wabici ya Rais, ugathii nginya kwi ministries, na ministers mawabici mao, ugoka uguo ugathii ta provincials guku kwa PCs, ugoka kwa DCs, ugoka nginya mawabici ma Dos na chiefs. Twambite kuoya uhoro wa President. Thiini wa Kenya nitui President wa Kenya ona riria kwina occasion oigaga niwe President wa Jamhuri ya Kenya. Na akoiga ati niwe amri jeshi mkuu. Giti kiritu muno. Giti kiu kia amri jeshi mkuu nigikwenda kiambe kieherio. Atigirwo giti kia Rais. Ona Rais uria ungi uguka ndakae gukorwo ena cheo iyo. Tondu cheo iyo yagiriirwo gukorwo ina minister wa defence ni getha arumbuyanagie na majeshi na akorwo ni minister uui nake kurathukia mucinga.
Secondly, nituke kwi mawabici ma chiefs. Akorwo kuri andu ningi mathinitie andu micii, mete machiefs. Athuri aya mwi haha gutiri mundu utari na mutumia wake. Na mutumia mungicogothana athii wabici ya chief guguthitanga, mutumia nowe uhotaga. Nima kana tiguo? (Niguo) Mutumia ahota mucii ucio niwagira (Aca). Undu uria ungi nituke maundu megii ma kurima. Urimi niguo ithui tungiamba kwaririria muno. Thiini wa Kinangop ino, sehemu ya Kinangop kuria turi ni kundu andu aya othe madam ngurie kiuria. Nginya riria ukire andu aya uri urona mundu wina nguo ina kiraka?
Com. Kabira: Aca.
Peter: Nduri urona mundu wina nguo ina kiraka?
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Com. Kabira: Ndionete no ndiumite haha.
Peter: Ona akorwo nduonete aria me guku githi ndurona ni andu smart? Makoretwo me smart ni undu wagukorwo ni andu hard working. Na mari aruti wira wao wa moko mao, thirikari niyagite kurora sehemu ya Kinangop. Okorwo ni guku iria riingi riumaga guku ona riria riathiaga KCC ya Naivasha. Ona ta riu rirakuo ni Brookside riumaga guku. No kindu kiria thirikari yambite gukorwo iteguturora muno, ni barabara cia guku. Hindi President aragerire haha atwirire barabara ino niirekirwo rami. Na tuturaga twetereire uhoro wa rami kuma Jabini guthii kinya Karao gucoka gukinya Ndunduri. Undu ucio ona tutiri twawona. Erekeire kwehera ihinda riake, guke President ungi o uria tutoi kana eguka na masheria mangi.
Commissioners hari undu ungi. Andu aria murona athini thiini wa Jamhuri ya Kenya tondu nio aingi muno.
Com. Kabira: Tondu bara ndiathondekirwo uheane recommendation.
Peter: Uria ingienda nii, tondu barabara ndiathondekirwo ni undu ucio akorwo ni MP uria twinake thiini wa Kinangop constituency, motion ucio autware mbunge. Uthii aririkanie Parliament nigetha undu ucio umenyeke. Mbeca iria ciagairwo barabara ino ciahatiire ku?
Undu uria ungi haria nguthiaga kuuga ni andu aria athini. Andu aria athini ona angikorwo ena cira igoti-ini, akorwo mena mundu maracira nake mundu gitonga, githiaga gikamuigira wakiri. Mundu ucio muthini ona arugama kabau-ini uguo ariinainaga uguo tondu niaretigira wakiri. Mundu wanathii igoti-ini nioi uria wakiri makoragwo magitwist mundu uguo. No njurie thirikari ithii ihote kuheaga andu acio athini kindu gitagwo mawakiri. Mustate council mundu no athii thirikari yuge muthini uyu niaheo wakiri. Niarihirwo wakiri ahote kumudefend tondu andu aingi mathinikite niundu wa gutunywo indo ni undu wa kwaga wakiri.
Undu uyu ungi wa githurano. MPs aria tucaguraga, thirikari niikwenda ikorwo ina watho ati riria mbunge yabunjwo kana riria kwaheanwo likizo ya guthii mucii, MPs acio oothe makerwo mathiage o mundu constituency yake na agakorwo ari undu arekithia. Tondu ona mbunge yathii likizo, aingi moragira haha Nairobi. Nii ndi muira nyonanite na aingi muno makiurura kuu na guku maundu maihurite kuo. Ningi okorwo ni githurano kia general election giekwo, President nianyihio uhoti uyu wa guthondeka baraza la mawazili. Nigithondekrwo kamati igukorwo ii neutral. Kamati io ikahota gucagura mundu uria wothe ugukoruo ena githomo kiiganu gukira guthiage minister ungi akanengerwo wizara, ukaigua wizara io niithire yahara. Okorwo ni wizara cia thirikari, niinyihio.
Ningi he kindu kingi. Mbunge ni inengerwo uwezo wa wabici ya Rais nigetha shughuli ciothe cia Rais agithii kundu, agathondekerwo budget ya mbia tondu mbeca cia Kenya nyingi ni ithirite na thabari cia ndege.
Ngirikia, githurano kiria Ngai egututeithia twike, President uria ugucagurwo, niakorwo ee President wina githomo kiiganu na 36
akorwo e President wina general knowledge. Na President o ucio akorwo a-servite thiini wa bururi wa Kenya, akamenya mathina maria moothe me thiini wa Kenya. Ni ngatho muno commissioners na father-in-charge na muingi wothe wa Kinangop.
Com. Kabira: Ngwendaga kuria uhoro wa atumia aya mahotaga gwa chief. Atumia acio ugire no o mahotaga mwathii gwa chief. Ke ngurikirie. Kaai wagitua macibu nimoru? Ngwendaga kumenya kana atumia makoragwo mehitie, machibu makoiga matiihitie. Kana muthuri akoragwo ahura mutumia agathii kuga niahurirwo na chibu akoiga ni uuru kuhura mutumia.
Peter: Ni ngatho muno. Thiini wa mahinda maya riria gwathirwo Be-jing madam, gwathio Be-jing, China, gwiciria atumia aria matoi thirikari mundu ahutio ruhi mucii niathiyaga gwi kirauni. Mamenyeire Be-jing. Na maoima na kuu, nginya atumia aria me guku migunda-ini, tita tene riria mundu arahuragwo, madam, ahurwo akoya tukuo twake agathii kwao mucii. Athuri magathii kumugira. Ihinda riri atumia ahurwo, oragira gwa chief. Atumia niukiui madam nimagitherire, machief nimarenda tuiritu tutu twega. Riu haria ngugucokagiria kiuria kiu at machief ona ni maingi makoretwo ngathiti-ini especially na guku Western na atumia ene. Riu ngirikia, machief nimekwenda ota hindi imwe ndiraiguire thiini wa Parliament he motion urathiaga wa athuri makorwo mekuo aguteithanagia na chief. Na athuri acio magatuika niega tondu nimarihotaga gu-solve maundu mamwe na makarihagwo ciring 100 o hwai-ini.
Com. Kabira: Ni harikoragwo atumia kana no athuri?
Peter: Ona atumia, ndagika ino ninyonete ngathiti-ini na guku Kilifi kwina machibu atumia. Ona DC uria urari guku nii ndamumenyeire Malindi. Omolo nii ndamumenyeire Malindi. Na thiku ici kinya kwina PC na nginya ndagika ino na haha Mukuki hena assistant chief mutumia. Riu atumia onao gugicagurwo kamati ya athuri onao nimathiage magacagurwo. Tondu ona ta riu twi haha nu ututongoretie kikao giki? Githi ti mutumia? Ni ngatho muno.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Peter Mwangi, are you there? Ok.
Peter Mwangi: Thank you very much commissioners na wananchi kwa jumla. Maoni yangu ni kama haya. Kwa upande wa jera the abolition of death penalty to a life sentence. So kwa majera kuna watu wanahukumiwa kufa lakini badala ya hivyo Katiba amboyo tunatengeneza sasa hivi tunataka hio offence iwe imembadilizwa iwe ya mtu kufungwa maisha depending on the offence committed. Regular medical check up, wale wafungwa wakiangaliwa kiafya mara kwa mara wote. Especially after every 2 weeks. Tena wale wafungwa wawe wakipatiwa mawaidha at least everyday. Halafu katika upande huo wa jera serikali ifanye wale wafungwa ambao wanaweza fanya kazi nje ama nje ya nchi wanaweza pelekwa huko na wawe wakiletea serikali mapato. Pia wale wafungwa ambao wamekaa tu kwa jera, wanatakiwa wawe wakifanya kazi ya serikali kama upandaji wa miti, kutengeneza barabara ama wawe wakifanya kazi kwa mashamba ya serikali kama upandaji wa miti etc. Na serikali ikifanya hivyo, nchi itapata mapato. Wengine wamekuwa hard cores wakati wako huko jera. Kwa vile hawana kazi wanafanya wanakaa tu. Badala ya wao kuwa rehabitated wanakuwa hard cores. Wakitoka huko wanakuwa very hard. 37
Upande wa demonstration ama maandamano – serikali inatakiwa iwe ikitumia vyombo vya kisasa. Si zile rungu mtu anapigwa halafu unaachwa with physical disability. So wanatakiwa ama Katiba ile iko ama ile tutatengeneza kuwe na sheria ambayo pahali serikali inaenda kununua hizo siraha wawe wakinunua siraha ambazo ni recommended world wide.
Upande wa pesa – tunataka ile Katiba tunatengeneza ile pesa ambayo itatoka isiwe na picha ya Rais ambayo atakuwako wakati huo. Kuwe na kitu kingine ama something unique si ati niya yule Rais atakuwako. Hapo tutakuwa tunaokoa ama serikari itakuwa inaokoa fedha ambazo zinaenda wakati wa kutengeneza hizi pesa kumbadiliza mara kwa mara.
Creation of jury – tunataka ile Katiba ambayo tutatengeneza kuwe na jury kama zile za America. Na hio it will be debated in parliament and passed by simple majority. Not two-thirds at this juncture but simple majority. Tunataka the supremacy ya Bunge iwe ndio inachagua hawa jury wakati wa macase.
Twende upande wa environment – tunaona misitu mingi kama imekatwa sana. So the gazettment ya hizi misitu inafanywa na mtu binafsi ama ministry ndio inafanya hii gazettment. So gazettment ya misitu yetu inatakiwa iwe passed by two-thirds or simple majority depending na umuhimu ambao uko wakati huu kama settling of squatters. The chief conservator ama mtu ambaye anachunga misitu hatakiwi kukaa mahali moja kwa mda wa miezi 6. Anatakiwa awe akibadilizwa mara kwa mara anapelekwa katika msitu mwingine. I had another point about criminority – a suspect should not shot – he should not shot to kill or summary justice. Na kwa hayo machache.
Another point, ama point ya mwisho ilikuwa hii. Nguvu za umeme. Our tarrifs ama zile tarrifs zimewekwa kwa nguvu za umeme ndiposa unaona hizi vitu zinatoka nje, zimekuja mingi sana kwa sababu tarrif yetu, it does not allow our home industry to grow because of the taxes. Ukitaxiwa na Kenya power, halafu na serikali tunaona hio ghalama ya kuproduce what you want is too high so our tarrifs should be minimized.
Peter Mbiu: Nii ndiri na maingi no kugeithania ngumugeithagia. Njitagwo Peter Mbiu wa Gichinga. No ni ngatho ngucokeria Ngai tondu maundu ta maya gutiri mundu ungiahotire kurugama haha arie iguru ria maundu maya mukite kurora. Ona gutiri mundu wetikagirio arie. Ungiaririe uguo, ukaiyirwo ni ngati ugathii ugatwarwo na kuria ugutwarwo. Ona ni wonjetie andu aingi atongoria a itura undu ta uyu. Andu aingi monjete muno ni undu wa maundu ta maya umuthi uyu. Nii ngukiugaga tugicagura mundu ta President kana mundu ungi wa maundu maitu megii ubururi, ndagakorwo ari iguru ria watho. Watho ukorwo niguo wi iguru. No riu-ri aria mekuo Judicaiary yoothe, niyao. Akorwo ngati ni yehia ndiri undu ingirwo tondu iragitira mundu uriku. Ndiri na maingi.
Ningi undu wigii githurano nitutige kwirwo 25% within 5 provinces. Nitwirwo umuthi uyu tuguthondeka watho witu uke 50% kana guthii na iguru. Ndiri na maingi no macio. 38
Com. Kabira: Ni thengiu muno. Riu tukuigwa Gitimu.
Gitimu: Nii gwitu ni kuma Murungaru. Na undu uria ngwendaga kuga ni atiriri – nii ndi muteithia wa thirikari riu ndi haha na ona angikorwo ni uhoro wi igoti-ini, ngorwo ni ndirathii kuruta uira-ri, ndihaguo nuu? Ngoraguo ndi wau riria thiaga kuruta uira? Ndirateithia thirikari inyite mundu uyu kana aritie ma kana ni maheni. Na riria nii ngugata mbia ciakwa ngathii-ri na ngacoka ngainuka-ri ona ranji ndikiri. Ni thirikari iriku riu ii tondu we niwe wakirutira Katiba ino wi wika wee. Nginya uria utanoka githi ndurakimurutira? Ugukirihuo nuu? Wee commissioner iiha indo cia andu aya?
Tonduri thirikari i tondu riu itu tugaga ni ndongu-ri muthamaki ndoigaga ithui turi na indo nyingi tutikwenda kuheo indo nanja-ri, ii riria kamusaada karoka, ati twihote-ri, riu haha thirikari tondu ni ndongu na itongoretio ni mundu uyu-ri wa ruguru-ri, riu tukuria ki? We niwe urarutira mundu uria utanoka. Tutingihota guuka ithuothe nginya mutumia wakwa noende kuruta uria ndimwikaga uru. Niagiukire? Nonga agiukire?
Uria ungi ni riri, uhoro wa thitima io yerwo-ri, na thitima ni mbiacara-ri, na bururi witu tukwendwo tuikare wega-ri, na ciana citu ithome wega tutige thuthoma na icinga ta tene hindi ya muthungu-ri. Thitima irarega gwikirwo irihio niki? Irihio mbeca. Uria utegukorwo akihota kuriha-ri, igitinio, kana tukimuhothere.
Haria hangi ni riri, ni ciana cia ndigwa. Ciana cia ndigwa na bururi uyu witu wi mbeca ni uguraga cukari, wi igoti, akorwo ni gakari gekuma Dubai gagoka kuria Mombasa, Kararingwo igoti kinya ugagate kuo gakabutha. Aria makihota gukaruta-ri na cukari uria turakigura-ri, igoti riu-ri riraga kurora ciana cia ndigwa niki angikorwo bururi uyu nitwanyitire wiyathi kwi muthungu? Ona nitukinyitwo ringi tukerira tukoiga atiri, ona kaba muthungu waheanaga kibaba. Ii tondu niagikuheyaga na agagikuhura. Riu guku ndurakihurwo, ndukiri ni kii ni uhinyiriirio nginya ona nguo ciake nicio turekera riu iria iragiuka iria nguru cia kuma na kuria. Twahota kuona nguo njeru riu? Ta mundu niarore uria utari na ino ya gukura. Nu utari? Commissioner nu utari haha tarora.
Tondu ithui tutingihota. Riu uria watuhurire agithii nowe ucokete guka gututeithia.
Na iranyitagwo igacinwo.
Tungirekira ki riu? Tondu twirirwo tutiri iraka-ri, kari nguo njeru twinacio. Ta atari iria nguru turahota kwigurira na ciringi mirongo 20, 30 nginya 40. Ndiri na undu nguga, nindarikia.
Com. Kabira: Ni thengio muno no ngwendaga unjire kiria kigiririe atumia moke. Tondu wee woiga mutumia waku ndari guku. Na riu twitite andu 30 na gutiri mutumia ona umwe tuonete.
Gitimu: Atumia maregete guka ni undu wa riri, korwo thirikari iitu niithomithagia atumia wega-ri, korwo ni ndini iritwo yuke guku kurutwo uhoro wa undini-ri, kurutwo iria itagwo w-w. Githi ndikoragwo w-w iria irutagwo atumia? Nimangiukite tondu ni moi uria maroka gwika. No riu atumia matiri mona kiundu ta giki gia thirikari ati no yuke imathomithie uria thirikari iikaraga. Kuoguo ndangigia na bata na undu ucio. Ithui tukite guku tondu turi a ciama ici. Ici ithuritwo cia gutindika mundu uriku? Nikio 39
turamenya guka ku? Ta nii ndi secretary sub-location ino wa Ford People thiini wa sub-location Murungaru. Wa gutindika mundu uriku? Uguo korwo ni honekaga hindi, mugoka guthomithia atumia aitu uhoro wa thirikari, miikarire ona kumwe ndingimuhinyagiriria muno tondu niegukinjira watho. No riu hatiri. Gutiri mbia iria cionekaga mbeca, commissioner, igoti rioneka ria kii.
Ona nyamu ya githaka iragiikara wega kungira riu. Niguo-ii. Nyamu ya githaka icuritio kanyamu haha
ingikorwo ii dwaru computer ni iroiga. Ati ni ndwaru ithii irorwo. No riu ithui-ri, Commissioner, mundu angikua akome thi, uthii uhure report haria muborithi ndangiigua. No angiigua cang’aa, tondu cangaa-ri ni mbeca aragira. No uyu-ri ni gutanga giko.
Reke nyongerere kaundu kanini. Andu aria maragua na ngari-ri, maraneo wakiri na thirikari itu ikuo. Ati injirire. Wakiri twonaniire nake naku? Na thirikari ikuo inginjiririra nii. Ka gutari wakiri wa thirikari? Nii ndakigua ndoke anjirire nigetha ndihuo tubeca twakwa wega itekunengera mundu. We ukariha mbeca icio, insurance ikariha, ikanengera wakiri uyu. Wakiri akagaya na gatagati. Na baba niagikuire. Ni kii ndona? Natwandike uguo tuneo wa thirikari uria mwandike ni thirikari – wakiri.
Com. Kabira: Thank you Mr. Gitimu. He mutumia gwitite, tumuhe chance riu? Ok. Margaret.
Margaret: Ni nii mwaigua ngitwo Margaret na ngwiciria ni nii wa mbere kwaria handu ha atumia. Nii muthuri wakwa niaheire rutha njuke nigetha heane mawoni makwa. Riu uria utigire wake ndekuheana.
Ngwambirira uhoro wa President. President akoragwo athuritwo ni andu aria aingi thiini wa bururi witu wa Kenya. Uguo nitakuga atia? 75% niyo imuthurite no ti 25% uguo gwakorwo upinzani wina andu aingi muno gukira President, ucio agacoka kiharo ringi. Acoka President uria turithuraga Kenya, akaheaguo wiki 2 githuratho giathira ataapicitwo nigetha riri hakorwo hena andu angi mangicoka guikia appeal kuga ihi niiraiyitwo-ri, ciumia iriri ugakorwo undu uyu wathira. Ningi President akorwo ari rungu wa watho ndagakorwo e Amri Jeshi Mkuu. Akorwo ee rungu wa watho ahana ota mundu uria ungi.
Agacoka
sectors ciothe cia government, ndakanakorwo eho agithii gukomba kindu. Uguo akorwo ni eguthii ta KCC akombe mbia na ritwa riake no ti kiraiya.
Forest – Mititu ndigacoke guthukio. Mititu ethukagio ni andu a mibuto. Magathii magaita thi miti yoothe. Na mundu uria uhuraguo ni mutumia na ahuraguo ni forester na thigari ciake. Nena tigiti hindi io muhuko na niarihite shiringi 49. I think cia kuriha tigiti na athiaga agakua mabuthu. Ndangihota gutema muti wa mu-ceder na ature mbao.
Andu maheo freedom na njira ta ino. Turorete githurano mwaka uyu niwa githurano. Twakinya guthuranari, akorwo he demonstration igwikwo tukorwo twi andu advanced ati ndoya kibang’o giakwa ndathii ngiugaga uria ngwenda ndikahuruo tondu ndirahurwo nii ta raiya ni mundu uria nyandikite na igoti riria nengagwo, o muthenya ngigura cukari ngigura kii muthigari. Agoka kuhura na turai twao. Na ndigutwarithia maundu mangi maingi no atumia matiri maundu maingi no mau.
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Com. Kabira: Jacinta Wanjiku?
Jacinta Wanjiku: Muri ega inyuothe? Nii hakwa ndirenda kwaria undu wigii mititu. Makiria kuongerera uhoro ucio wa mutumia ucio. Tondu ngu icio atumia mathiaga kuna mititu magatithagio ciringi 39 ni iria ituikite tiri na irabutha na mathiaga o hindi o mweri kugatithio na ringi mutumia ucio ndakoragwo ahotete kuna thiku 30 o muthenya o muthenya. Na ngu icio ikoragwo muoroto wacio iri guikara kuu ituike tiri.
Ningi njarie iguru ria migunda. Uhoro wa migunda magoti-ini ni uhoro uratugia muno na ugathukia mbeca nyingi muno na aciari aitu kana andu a itura nio moi uhoro wa mugunda na nio moi uhoro wa ciana cia muthuri ucio na makiria nio moi kinya uhoro wa family tondu hihi managiuka kuu na makonana na andu acio. No uhoro wakinya igoti-ini urakorwo wina thina muingi muno. Mundu arathii akaiga Ksh. 200,000 ugithii kuu urakora mawakiri matatu igoti-ini. Na wee ringi nduri na wakiri. Waigua ni mawakiri 30 ndungihota kurugama ona igoti-ini tondu andu acio ni andu athomu. Wakiri akoraguo athomeire uhoro wa maundu mangi we utangihota kumenya. Niegukuria kiuria ona wina uma, ukaremwo ni kwaria uma. Riu mundu agakorwo ena thina muingi muno ona indo icio cii ciake na akarikia gutunywo ona agicionaga na akarikia gucieherera o uguo, agakiuga gutikiri undu. Nii ndiri na maundu maingi ingienda kwaria no mututeithie uhoro-ini ucio wa migunda makiria guku. Asante.
Com. Kabira: Now I go to Muhia. Ok. John Kamau Mwathi.
John Kamau Mwathi: Muri ega inyuothe? Nii ngwaria uhoro wa President. Giti giki kia President, nii nguga mundu aikarage miaka 4 no uhoti wake ukorwo wi munini. Ukorwo thi ya watho. Ningi ha uhoro wa power, power nii nguga thirikari ino iguka io nio itumite maundu makorwo me mahaicu. Ni tondu thogora wa indo icio turagweta angorwo ni cukari, iria, ongorwo ni indo iria ciothe igeraga macini-ini, macini ta thitima itu ina goro muno. Thitima io icokio thi, icokio thogora wa thi muno ni getha andu othe mahote mumihuthira na indo iria turahota kuhuthira ciendio thogora wa thi. Ongorwo ni uhoro wa indo ta fertilizer, icio ciumaga murimo ina igoti inene muno, muno makiria. Na thirikari itu ndihotaga guthii gutugirira indo icio. Parastatals iria irahotaga kugira ta KFA, ciagiriirwo ni gucokio ni getha ihote gutugirira ongorwo ni fertilizer. Nawe ndiui kana niurathikiriria. Ndurathikiriria tondu ona nduri kindu urandika. Fertilizer nicio iratuma thiini wa bururi witu ona ongorwo no mbembe, ona angorwo ni iria riu turendia tukendia goro gukira South Africa, tukendia goro gukira mabururi ma athungu igakuo na meri ikarehwo ni undu wa kwenderio fertilizer goro. Na uhoro wa ndithuru onaguo. Ndithuru onayo itu ya Kenya, niturenderio goro muno. Ikwenda nayo icokio thogora wa thi nigetha ona angorwo ni iria rikahota kurutwo guku rigatwarwo na kuria riratwarwo na thogora wa thi. Ongorwo ni Nairobi rigakorwo rina thogora wa thi nigetha ona ithui tuhote kuona kindu. No ndithuru yakorwo ina goro, tutiri hindi tungihota kwendia iria ritu thi. Ndithuru igakorwo I iguru muno tukaremwo ni kugira indo ona kurima nakuo gugakorwo kwi goro. Riu ng’ombe io igicoka gukamwo, igakamwo iria riu rina goro muno. Riu twathii kwendia Nairobi ritingihota kwendeka ni undu wa indo ciothe iria iri na mutaratara wa iria ugakorwo wi goro muno. Onangorwo no mbembe. Riu mbembe iroima ciringi 400. Aria marthia ni undu thitima gukorwo ina goro ona riu matiri marahota gutucokeria thogora thi. Uguo angorwo ni ndithuru icokio thi nigetha indo ciothe, onangorwo no mbembe, irio cia ngombe, irio cia nguku 41
nigetha itumbi ricoke thi. Ndithuru icokio thi nigetha indo ciothe tuhote guciendia.
Riu ongorwo ni andu acio megwitwo President, matige gwitikirio kunyitanio na uhoro wa maguta. Matige gwitikirio kunyita uhoro ukonie urimi. Tondu mahutania naguo nikio indo iroka goro muno na matige gwitikirio ku-order indo ta mbembe, iria, fertilizer. Tondu gwakinya hindi ya githurano ta giki, marathii makagira fertilizer nyingi ikarehwo ikarehwo ina thogora wa thi. Yakinya guku igekirwo thogora munene ona matirariha duty cia thirikari.
Com. Kabira: Kwoguo i-importagwo nu?
John: Hethwo kindu ta parastatal ng’ania ta KFA uria yahanaga tene. Nyamu io itikirio kurehe indo ii moko-ini ma thirikari ni getha ihote gucoka thogora wa thi uria ciahanaga mbere.
Ongorwo ni uhoro wa ngari iciri – magoti macio nimathiite iguru muno na matinga. Kuria maraondwo-ri duty citu niicoke thi na thirikari igerie kwaririria na kuria maragura ni getha matinga maya macoke thogora wa thi ni getha maundu ma urimi-ri macoke wega niundu bururi uyu witu ni wa kurima. Riu maundu macio macoka thi-ri, bururi witu niukuhota gwitwara na mbere. No ti iria rirutagwo South Africa, ithui na ithui guku tugaikara tutari mbeca tugacoka kwiragwo ati andu maskini uhoro wa macukaru ati andu acio nimateithio. Gutiri uteithio uracoka ukoneka.
Uhoro ungi ni wa ciana ici cirakorwo Nairobi ona kana ni Nakuru kana ni kuria kungi. Nyamu icio ithondeketwo na majimbo. Ciana iria iretwo cokora ii Nairobi. Tondu ungithii thiini wa Central Province, ciana icio nikuo ironeka. Ironeka iguru ria andu acio guthinio. Ongorwo ni uhoro wa miikarire, nyumba ukaigua niciacinuo. Ongorwo ni indo iria irendio Nairobi na mundu niaigire gatuka-ini na aheo licence, ugicoka kurora mundu ucio niekire uria. Uhoro ucio thirikari ino iguka irore maundu macio. Na ciana icio-ri, President ungi ndakanaciite Nairobi uria uyu arahuthira. Ongorwo ni ciana icio angienda gwikenia-ri, agaciita, igathii ikonganio ciothe igatwarwo kwa President. Agacoka agacirekereria igacoka o Nairobi. Handu ha aciite, acikue acitware cukuru kana ithondekerwo kundu kuna gwa gutwara ciana icio. Miaka ingi tutikae kuona uguo. Kwi migunda ina guku Gilgil mineene. Athungu maroima na guku Rhodesia anga na ku guku maraingatwo, magoka gutwarwo na guku, gugathondekwo bara, gugatwarwo thitima na ithui tuturaga guku tutiraciona.
Ciana icio kai itangitwarwo kundu kuu?
Ithondekerwo ta youth handu ha kurutaga youth guku.
Undu ungi niwa ciana ciitu. Thirikari iria twinayo riu, ndiri na mubango iguru ria anake aria marikia macukuru. Ta riu haha tutingiona anake na mekuo makiri maiyuire guku town. Metereire mujumbe ooke amahe mbeca ni undu wa undu uria mena thina. No handu ha guka handu ta haha mathondeke mathina mao uria mahana gutingihoteka tondu andu acio mena thina muno. Thirikari itu ino iguka-ri, tuthondeke na Constitution ihitukio, rita riri riguka tutikanone ciana citu igiikara uguo itaramenyeka uria cikaire. Cii kuo na thirikari ndiciui. Ona ibandi itiraheo. Ibande iria ciikuo-ri nacio twagiriirwo ni gucenjerio. Kibande nikiandikwo Kenya. Mundu ucio akandikwo ni wa Central Province, no ndakae gwitwo mkabila. Nietwo ni mundu wa 42
Kenya. Niatige gwitwo mugikuyu na ukabila wake ndi mugikuyu, ndi mungania. Andikwo ni wa Kenya, wathii githumo wi mukenya, wathii turukana wi mukenya. Nduri handu wagiriirwo kwirwo ati wee umite Central Province. Ndwagiriirwo ni guikara kundu kuna. Na wina kibande gia Kenya. Mundu wa kuma America, mundu wa kuma kuria kungi agoka agaikara wega gukira mundu uria wi guku tondu we niaramenyeka niwakuma thiini wa Central Province. We niwakuma Nyanza, turukana, mundu woth aikare free bururi wake ihinda riri riroka. Ota uria ingiikara guku. No ti ndathii turukana ngatuika nyumite thiini wa Central Province. Ndingiikara kundu kuu. Riu maundu macio nii ngutigira hau.
Com. Kabira: Thengiu muno Mr. Kamau. Kamau ningwendaga guku-assure niturandika no nii ndirakiandika kiugo giothe giothe. Nikio twina kamachini gaka. Kamau nituraiguana? Twina kamachini ni getha turecord word for word. Kuoguo ndirandika summary. Na ni thengiu muno.
May be itaneta mundu ucio ungi, ndiri ndira-introduce district coordinator niwe ukunegenaga hindi io ngwiragwo ndirathikiriria. I wanted to let him introduce himself tondu niwe ura-coordinate maundu maya moothe.
Njuguna: Muri ega inyuothe? Thengiu muno. Amwe anyu nimanjui muno njitagwo Njuguna wa Gikonyo. Undu uyu munene muno wa gucenjia Katiba ni nii ndiracoordinataga thiini wa Nyandarua. Kiroko ngurokete Samata na kuu kwina andu aingi muno no guku nikwabunja record. Mutihure ruhi ni kubunja record.
Wa keri, tikunegena tukunegenaga. Ni kuria nguragia munene, uyu turiganitie nake ni Professor Wanjiku Kabira na professor ni mundu muthomu muno. Kana ti guo? (affirmation) Na ni mundu muruti wira muno nimurona ee wiki ona ira tuhingite kuria Jabini thaa igiri cia utuku ona umuthi tukuruta wira uguo. Na njoke ndimwire atiriri, handu haha kurandikwo maita matatu. Tape ikarecord, mwena uyu nimurona kwina muiritu nake ucio niarandika,, nake uyu akandika.
Kuoguo gutiri kaundu
kangiugwo gekurira thi. Nitwetikaniria? (affirmation) Gutiri kaundu kangiugwo gekurira thi. Nayandikwo ya mbere, tondu no nginya mandike ya mbere, tukareherwo thiku 60 nigetha turore atiriri kana kiria tuoigite ki hau. Kamau niwanyita hau? (affirmation) Akorwo kiria tuogite gitiri ho tugeka atia? Githi ndugakiuria? Kwoguo tiga kuga andu nimarahenio, icio ni ngano. Undu wa ma ni ati nitukumenya ma tondu nitukaheo tuthome. Thengiu muno.
Com. Kabira: Ngwiciria uyu ni mutongoria mwega ndetigagira nyumba yake ndigatikwo over. Tondu okire akora nituikarire na twaruta wira wothe na ndananegena. Kuoguo ni mutongoria mwega. Thank you very much for that introduction. We go to Peter Ndungu Mungai. Mutumia uria ukuoete guoko haria thutha, ukwendaga kwaria? Hosea Maina. Cris Njuguna.
Cris Njuguna: Muri ega inyuothe. Njitagwo Cris Njuguna. Ndina tuundu twiri turia ngwenda kuheana. Wambere ni uhoro wa githurano. Githurano tukwenda tuthuranage maita meri. Civic na parliamentary tugeka muthenya umwe. Nayo presidential tugeka thutha wa week 2 nigetha tukaga uhoro wa uici wa ithurano.
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No. 2 – Nitukwenda Katiba iria ikwandikwo yandikwo. Tutikwenda any misuse of public funds. Mundu akorwo atongoragia mai, ongorwo atongoragia society, angorwo ni thukuru aiya kuu ndakarugame kana aheo giti kingi.
No. 3 – Nitukwenda thirikari itu itugitire nitondu mathina maria twinamo bururi uyu ma-creatitwo ni thirikari. Angikorwo mundu niekurima mbembe ika 20 akinya hindi ya guthii kwendia, mbembe akagurirwo ciringi 400-ri, ni wira uriku araruta? Fertilizer iroima 1,500 mbembe acoke agurirwo ciringi 400. Riri ni iria. Iria turarutirwo South Africa, na iria guku ni gute turate. Tuitage iria na kwi mundu wandikiirwo iria thibitari umuthi na ndangiriona. Ucio ni uhoro uriku? Mucere turarutirwo Pakistan. Haha Mwea mucere uiyurite ho. Riu-ri, ni thirikari iriku ino twina yo? Maundu macio matatu ndagweta tafadhali mandikwo. Thank you.
Peter: Muri-ega inyuothe? Nii wakwa ngwaria uhoro wigie President. Maritwa makwa ni Peter Wanyoike. President kana kiama kiria arugamite nakio, agie hihi na policy yake mwanya andike a certain document. Ndiraria uguo uhoro wigii Katiba iria iguka. President o wothe urirugamaga agakoragwo mbere-ini akienda gukahuranira giti kia President andikire Nation hindi iria mukanjagura, ngekira bururi uyu, ndiwikire uyu na uyu maundu maria mothe egwiciria agekira bururi. Amandikire in advance na amatume kundu na kundu mathomwo mamenyeke atiriri, mundu ucio-ri niagatwikira uyu na uyu. Nigetha agiuka kurugama raiya yothe ikorwo ikimenya ati mundu ucio niameriire giki na giki na giki. Ucio ni uhoro wigii bururi. Agiuka hindi ya campaign yake agitua kuuga ati oka gwika campaign thiini wa Kinangop Constituency oke oige ngamwikira uu na uu na uu andu a Kinangop. Maundu macio mothe marecordwo na maiguo safely nigetha angigatuika ndageka uguo twmucagura thutha wa miaka iri na nuthu kugie na opinion polls ya ati a-promisire bururi maundu maya na maya. Miaka iri na nuthu nimithiru. Hagie na undu ukuhota kumunyita kana kumuria watupromisire maundu maya na maya na ndukinitie ona nuthu yamo. Hihi hagie na mbunge ikamufuata. Angorwo ndahingitie macio yuge hagie na no-confidence.
Wa keri ni MPs aria marugamaga. Marugamaga magatuhenia ati mwanduma mbunge nguthii gwika una na una no tiguo tuonaga. Onake agika campaign ciake akoragwo ati nama uguo aroiga niguo ageka. Atwandikire kana micemanio yake ikorwo na coverage, for example ta ino twinayo. Nigetha hingo ciothe, angigatuika ndekite uguo onake miaka iri na nuthu yathira, tukaga confidence nake tondu ndakihingitie ona nuthu ya maundu maria atwiriire. Nii nyuma na uguo.
Rev. Kuria: Muri ega inyuothe? Ritwa riakwa ni Rev. John Kuria na ngwaria tumaundu tunini-tu turia ndirona tariguo twagiriire. Wa mbere ni ngwaria uhoro wigii mutitu. Niingiuria Katiba iria tungithondekerwo kana iria tuguthondeka thiini wa Kenya ikorwo idefinate wega haria mihaka ya mutitu ikinyite. Nitondu ithui guku nitukoragwo tugithinio muno, muno ni administration police, chief, headmen, DO na thigari cia mutitu ciikuo. Ka gutari watho ugayanitie thigari ici iriathanaga nginya ha? Na hari bata uriku angikorwo police nirithiaga kuria githaka-ri, forester na aa-ranger na thigari ciao-ri, wira wao niuriku? Tondu matinyitanaga kuria muhaka-ini wa mutitu no o mokaga nginya micii ya andu ati hingura haha nigetha marore guku rungu kana gwi thiriba kana gwi kiria kingi na kuria mutitu gwi thigari. Miti io yoimite kuo nigetha igiuka gwaku mucii-ri yoimite kuu na thigari ciari kuo? Hau Katiba yathe andu aria a mutitu mariroraga nginya ha. Ucio ni umwe. 44
Muti wa keri – ni ati niingienda Katiba iria ingithondekwo irore andu aria marutirwo kuu tondu nikio mititu ithukite. Mititu ndithukite tondu gutihandaguo miti kana andu akuhanda miti nimagire. Aya othe matari wira guku matangihota kuhanda miti? Nigucokio uria gwatarii tene. Andu maheo migunda kuu nigetha miti yatemwo kuria ikurite, gukoneka andu mararima na nimarahanda miti ingi. Io ni ya keri.
Undu uria ungi niingiaria uhoro wa President. Nii President woni wakwa, President atigage guthurwo na 25%, 5 provinces. Aca. Niathuragwo na uingi wa 50% ya kura ciothe iria cikitio. No niatigage guthurwo na 25% tondu kuu nituhatagiririo muno. Keri, president ndagakorwo ari iguru ria watho. Niakorwo ari rungu rwa watho. Gatatu, Electral Commission ikorwo ii huru ati ndiri mundu ungi uramiatha, ii huru gwika uria yagiriirwo ni gwika kuringana na watho. Judiciary nayo ikorwo nayo ii huru tondu riu tutiikagirwo maundu mena wiyathi. No tuhenagio twina wiyathi wathii igoti-ini gutiri undu ugatuirwo na kihoto tondu gwathio twiragwo ati gwi gathimu kahurirwo na hau ukaiguaga judge niaguthuka na hau agathikiririe gathimu no ni karia kahurirwo ni mundu ungi uria wi iguru riake kana uria uratetera mundu ucio. Hau harorwo muno.
Undu uria ungi ni ati hindi yakinya ya githurano – nituri na ciama nyingi riu ti hindi iria turari na kiama kimwe gia ciaca. Ciama icio kwinacio nyingi, andu aria marirugamaga ona akorwo ni giti kia President, nimaheo wiyathi kana undu utuikite niumaigananitie othe. Akorwo President uria urari kiama kiria kirathana ta uria wikuo riu na aria angi marirugama giti kiu, akorwo etikiritio kihuthira ngari ya state – akorwo arihuthagira ngari igiri ona acio angi nimaheo ngari igiri, igiri. Tondu onake ndari na yake no ni citu ithuothe tuguthuranaga. No niatige gutuika niarahuthira tondu ithurano iria tuthuranite nituonaga ati na ngiuga uguo andu aya oothe no maunge mkono ati niukuona iyo ni ngari ya DO, yathii gwikira President campaign, io ni ya police, io niya kiria kingi haria hathio no maundu macio. Na ngirikia, uhoro-ini wa harambee umenyererwo muno ati angikorwo ni harambee ni kiria mundu akoragwo akiigua nieguteithia mundu nakio nikio gitagwo harambee. No ti ino iitu iria tukoretwo nayo ti harambee ni utunyani tondu nigwatuwo twathagwo ati wakorwo niwathii wabici ya chief kana ni wathii ya DO weruo atiri, President niaroigite we ta mutongoria muna ukarehe Ksh. 500 we nawe 200. Nitwitirwo undu umwe. Mundu aheo wiyathi ati nikwenda arenda guteithia ucio urateithio noti gwathwo turathwo na watho ati ni harambee ni ngania uroigire. Katiba iria ikwandikwo hau hakorwo hema watho uragiri mundu atuhinyiririe na njira ya muthemba ucio.
Ngirikia ninjuge ati niwega muuno ni tondu nituhetwo wiyathi wa kuhoya. Wiyathi wa kuhoya naguo, ngwikira hinya undu uria waritio ni ahunjia acio angi mekwaritie hau mbere nitondu kiria githukitie muno na gigathukia mbeca cia bururi tondu mbeca cia bururi niciathukire ati twathii gwethererwo ahoi a ngoma meku. Na tondu turethererwo ahoi a ngoma, ona angihoya ngoma, kana muti, kana kiria kingi, gutiri mundu unyitagwo tondu watho ugite nikwaheanwo wiyathi wa kuhoya. Watho niwandikwo wega ni wa kuhoya Ngai uria wi muoyo no ti wa kuhoya indo ingi ta irima, miti na ngoma. Asante sana.
Com. Kabira: Ni thengiu. Tareke njurie kiuria kimwe. Ndina-understand uguo ukugaga. Ukugaga presidential candidates maheo ngari. 45
Rev. Kuria: Yes. Tondu onake niahuthagira ngari nyingi uria wikuo. Angikorwo ni watho hihi ukoragwo umwitikiritie kuhuthira ngari icio-ri, nao aya angi marakirugama giti kiu-ri, matiheo cio.
Com. Kabira: Ndiroria atiriri ta riu 1997 twari na presidential candidates 12. Kuoguo othe 12 maheo ngari?
Rev. Kuria: Akorwo metikiritio ngari igiri-ri, na akorwo state yonete ngari igiri niciganite president-ri, ona uyu ndaheo 2 na ucio ungi 2 na ucio ungi 2.
Com. Kabira: Ona akorwo ni mbeca?
Rev. Kuria: Akorwo ni mbeca etikiritio kuhuthira mirioni imwe, oothe metikirio kuhuthira mirioni imwe. No ti uria wikuo ahuthire mirioni imwe, nake uria ungi niarahatiririo. Ahuthire mirioni imwe.
Njenga: Maritwa makwa ni Njenga wa Karinge. Nii ndi ona tumaundu tunini ndirenda kugweta. Wa mbere uria ndirenda kuga ni uu. Constitution tugithondeka, mbere yambe iimenyerere. No itugitire muno ithui twi raiya kana igitire ona anene noyo yenyewe ikaga kwigitira mawatho mayo. Na njira ya atiriri ati mundu angienda kumicenjia-ri ndari hindi atangimicenjia. Reke Katiba yandikwo, na yandikwo na njira ati mundu ungienda kumicenjia ndangihota. Na akorwo niegucenjia niekuhuthira mechanism nene muno niguo Katiba iyo ihote gucenjio. Ni haronania iria yari ho ni yahotire gucenjio maita maingi tondu yo Katiba yenyewe ndiambite kwigitira.
Kaundu karia kangi nako ingienda kugweta ni uhoro wa Commissions iria ikoragwo igithurwo ni thirikari kana ni President. Commission icio niikoragwo cina bata muno na maundu maria makoragwo mathete kana matuiritie, nimakoragwo matonyete muno thiini wa maundu macio na magakorwo na maundu mega muno mangiteithia bururi. Na haria hahitanaga ni haha hatuikaga marikia wira wao matwarire President. Nii uria ingiciria ni ati mathurwo wakorwo meruo meguthii meiri 6, gutiri mundu ungi ungimarugamia nginya ucio wamathurire. Mieri 6 igithira nio makanina wira wao. Na mbere matari maratwarira President recommendation ciao kana uria mona maundu macio tukamba kwirwo ari ithui tondu irathuraguo ni undu witu agatiga gutwarirwo. Tukamba kwirwo ati ithui turonire uu na uu na uu. Tondu matwarirwo-ri mambaga gucenjia na magacoka kuruta tumanuthu-tumanuthu kuringana na uria mekwenda.
Kaundu karia kangi, development plan ya thirikari yeheranirio na uteti. Tondu plan io igithondekwo niikoragwo na policy papers. Ni moi mwena wa turukana ukenda kina rina, mwena wa Central ukenda, Rift Valley ukenda undu muna na document io ni ikoragwo iigitwo. Ona thirikari ciacenjio document io noyo marumagirira. Reke itige kuingiranio na uteti. Gwakinya barabara ya Kinangop ni hindi irekirwo kuringana na uria yabangiirwo, reke ikirwo. Nitutige gukorwo na andu angi a gucenjia gwakorwo ni mbia cioka kuringana na uteti. Plan uria ithondeketwo ona akorwo yathondeketwo miaka 100 mithiru irumirirwo 46
o io. Ungikorwo ni hekwenda gucenjio hihi ni undu wa uria bururi uragithii na mbere, kaundu kau gagatwarwo Parliament kuringana na uria Parliament iguthondekwo. Na andu aingi nimarutite mawoni macio.
Kaundu karia kangi, Constitution iria ikwandikwo ri niyagiriirwo gutuhe access ya information. Nituhithaguo maundu maingi muno, na information ii bata muno thiini wa ukuria wa bururi. Mabururi maria mathiite na mbere muno thiini wa thi, kindu kiria muno makoragwo makiruira ni access ya information. Na access inori itige gukorwo ina goro. Tutige kurihio goro. Ta riu turi akuria a waru nituranegena uhoro wa waru no ithui tugikuria waru-ri gutiri mundu ungihota kumenya umuthi waru urendio atia market. Mboga irendio atia, ni kuhithwo. Akorwo ni maundu ma bururi uria marathii na mbere, no muberethi umwe tu uretikirio gutuhe uhoro. Na uratuhe uhoro niguo uhote kufavour mundu kana andu aria mari ho. Miberethi ni ihingurwo miingi airwaves, radio. Hindi iria wahoya licence na nimagiriire kumenya uguo. Hindi iria wahoya licence ya kuhingura gituo kia radio, wina ma niukuhota gwaka tio megugwakira bata no licence makuhe na kuria uriruta mohoro maku, magatiga kuingirira ona hanini.
Kaundu karia kangi, mundu ututhukiirie utajiri wa bururi ona ehera ndakae kuoherwo, niarumirirwo. Kindu kiria giothe akuite, tutikae kwirwo atiriri ihii reke tutige ati ni undu wa kina. Kana tutige kuhenio ati reke tuthondeke we ngutigire mwina ngania na ngania. Niguo ndarikia kwehera-ri na inyui mukangitira. Aca. Indo icio ni nyingi muno ciurite. Ona nitui na ni tuthomaga na nitwiritwo ona indo imwe turahoya mabururi mangi maturehere, ringi ni kanyamu kanini muno tungiringithania na indo iria ciyitwo.
Kaundu karia kangi, aria mahitia mari unene-ini, unene wothe, kana wi minister kana wi uu. Mundu aringithanio na kawaganu kana, o hindi io ukarugama wira waku. Tweterere utherio thutha-ini.
Kaundu karia kangi nitwitikirio vote of referendum. Thirikari yagia na thina, twamenya nimarahurana kwina thina tugetikirio githurano kiria kia yes kana no. Tukoiga kana thirikari io nitukumienda kana tutikumienda.
Kaundu karia kangi, politics na thirikari cieheranirio. Nitui gwi thirikari ihotaga gucenjia anene ao kiumia kana igiri igithira no thirikari uria ibangitwo gutiri handu hahitanaga ona hanini ona ithui no twende uguo. Ta Italy na India tutindaga tukiigua magicenjia anene. No thirikari mutaratara uria wiho niuhotaga guthii na mbere.
Ka muico police twinao na ti aingi muno nitwerwo makomaga haria uguo. Akorwo ni itura riri, nitwandikirwo anake a itura riri. Wokorwo turendwo police 20, nitwandikirwo police 15 a guku na atano a guka. Andu aciori ona kuoya hongo kuri andu aria makimarerete na mathomete nao-ri, niugukorwo uri undu wina hinya. Asante sana.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Grace do you have anything? Ok. Karibu.
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Grace: Muri ega inyuothe thiini wa Mwathani? Tugeithanie cia riera iguru tondu Ngai niatukinyaniirie rucini ruru. Thengio muno atongoria aitu inyui mukite gututhikiriria na mwirutiire mukoiga ni mukwenda tukorwo twi hamwe na nindacokia ngatho iguru rianyu. Ona ndina gikeno na father ni kuona aikarite haria athikiriire na agatuhe mucii mwega twarie uria wothe tui tondu tutikwaria undu tutoi. Maritwa makwa ni Grace Wanjiru Njuki na ninyenda Ngai ithe witu ni tondu wa kuhonokia. Ndimukenagira tondu uhuru uyu ugigoka nigetha njitikirio kwaria uria ngwaria, nindari kuo. Na nii ndiui muno. Na nindarutire wira muritu muno. Na ndari na miaka yagukorwo ngithii na nduma ni tondu utuku niguo wari muthenya wakwa naguo muthenya niguo wari utuku. Riu ngiri na gikeno ngirugama kuga mathina makwa.
Ta rekei tukinye ikinya na hau thutha-ini. Ni kuri aria marehire wiyathi uyu twinaguo na nikio muiguaga kaingi tukihoya tukamaririkana.
Na umuthi uyu-ri nio metagwo atia? Nii ninjuragia kiuria ngamenya kana andu nimakinyaga makinya
magacoka na thutha makaririkana bururi witu kuria woimire. Metagwo atia? (Mau mau). Metagwo Mau Mau. Thengio muno. Aria umuthi mathirire, aria umuthi maturaga gatorori gatorori, aria umuthi gatorori na gatorori maturaga gatorori, matakoragwo mari haria mari. Angi me riera-ini, angi maturaga icagi, angi maturaga o mandikitwo hamwe na ciana ciao, maturaga na mathina no nii ta nyina wa Naomi ndageririe juu chini. Tondu ndoigire atiriri, ikiheanwo ni Kenyatta ya mbere-ri wa Njuki agakorwo gatagati. Na mumenye nimari, wakwa wi haha plot 209. Ngenagira Ngai nitondu wa uguo tondu wana wakwa na unyinyi wakwa nduoriire thi. Na ndi haha hadi sasa.
Nindoima hau tiga guthethuka ngwendaga kumuririkania kuria tuomire. Na nindagweta uhoro ucio na Katiba iririkane mau mau aria matureheire wiyathi ithui. Nguka hari ithui twi haha. Tuthondeke Katiba na njira njega muno. Na njira yagiriire. Na nindakena ndaigua ati uhoro uyu turaria haha no ugacoka tuthomerwo tuigue ti mahuri tukuhungagwo. Riuri, nguiguaga kabere riria nyuma nja, kana hihi ni mahuri turahungwo tuoywo, kuonywo, kuonywo mundu acoke ethece na kii? Kana mutiui mundu nieriaga na gake? Na nindakena tondu ndaigua maundu macio mothe nimegucoka marehwo tuke tuthomerwo.
Ndina ihoru muno nii riria njikarite mucii na riria ndi guku Kenya. Ciana citu cia airitu niithomire. Ciana citu cia anake niithomire. Ina ugi muingi na ugi ucio wothe urorira thi. Uguo uria ukurugama guthondeka Katiba aririkane githomo gia ciana citu cia airitu na cia anake. Nitondu ithui tutiathomire wiyathi niwagiririe tuthome no nituthomithitie ciana citu kuma twaheo wiyathi twaingata muthungu. Hari handu ngwenda kugweta. Nii njiariirwo kuria ruguru thiini wa Uashin gishu. Na Uashi Gishu ni nene muno na I thiini wa Kenya nikuo ndarereirwo. Na Uashin Gishu na bururi uria uhana ta ucio itoi bururi ukomagwo ni thiya no tugire twi Kenya. Ndoiga twi Kenya ithui twi Kenya. Tutiri naku kana naku. Na tondu twi Kenyari, Uasin Gishu na kuria kungi na kuria kungi ni bururi urario ni thiya. Na tondu twi Kenyari na tutirenda kii kana kii-ri, turenda tukorwo twi hamwe turugamite na thirikari itu ya Kenya-ri na guku kungi mutitu wa Nyandarua-ri ona ndathuka muthii mukioyaga kimwe gwa kimwe. Guothe kungi urariywo ni thiya kundu kungiaturirwo ciana iria citu ciina thina muno na aciari aria ndagweta na hau kabere mena thina muno na ciana ciao na mundu akue quarter quarter. Na mundu wothe wi gicagi oime gicagi. Twina angi. (Mwanegena nii ningukira. Mutireke ndondoire.) Riu ndoiga atiriri, kuria kungi guothe, bururi uria urario ni thiya-ri, umenye uria ugutwarithio ni Katiba iria iguthii na mbere. Turaria uhoro wa guthii na mbere tutiracoka na thutha. Na tondu turaria uhoro 48
wanambere-ri, githi ti tukiambiririe guthuthuria kuria kurario ni thiya gutari andu? Nindiriraga rimwe muthungu oimire guku niki. Ndaririkana wega ndona kuria guothe murimo uria wothe woirwo ni muthungu na rikitie guthii. Niekire wega niatuikire citizen wa guku nima niwega ni gutuika no ningi ena rea nene. Niagiriire onake kugairwo o uria ona nii ngairwo nigetha na nii mwana wakwa akona handu. Hau ndindoima.
Ciana citu cia airitu niirorira thi. Tondu angorwo ni mwanake wamuhira ihu-ri, akarigia na mwana ucio. Agatiga thukuru agatuika muciari wa kurera mwana. Nowe wa mwanake agathii ona mbere na thukuru. Hau nguga atiriri, mwanake ucio waruta mwana thukuru-ri, onake niaheo ihera. Ni getha mahu maya-ri turore kana nimunyihanyiha. Tondu riu akiruta umuthi-ri egucoka agatengera akaruta wa uria ungi tondu ndari undu arekirwo. Tondu uria Njoroge ndari undu arkirwo. No korwo he kaundu onake arahihinyirwo-ri no etigire airitu aitu. Onao airitu no metigire ni undu wa uria nao monirio ni aciari mathina, ndigukurerera mwana. Tondu naho he gathomo o athii agira mwana ngoka ngoya ngarera. Niarigitiga kundehera? Hau naho hahitukio hoywo jukumu ni Katiba itu ya ciana citu uhoro ucio wa kugiaga na twana mundu atakinyaniirie.
Haria hangi ni haha. Wee tiga gutheka. Ithui ta atumia-ri, mathina twina maingi. Tondu riu angorwo nitanii nyina wa Naomi-ri, no ti nii nguga example, nii gwakwa ndatigirwo ndi woika na ndugamiriire gwakwa ndi woika. Muthuri ni wa atumia 5, na angi mena kuu na nakuu na nakuu na matiramenyeka. No nitui aya 5 me mucii. Kana ni eri nacio angi tutiramamenya. No muthenya uria ugakoma haha-ri nitukona angi maroka kurehe ngano. Aria me mucii-ri, nimoe title deed. Title niyoywo ni atumia ona akorwo ni 5 tondu ni atumia ake. No title niya muthuri. No akorwo ena atumia 2 title no cigana? Ni andikite mutumia wake thiini wa kiama giake gia title yake. Ucio ni mutumia wake wa mucii. No aya angi aguka kuga tulikuwa kulitendeka-ri, acio tugakimenyaga ti a mucii tondu riri tutarakimona list-ini ya muthuri ya title.
Haria hangi ni haha. Gute mutumia waku muthuri, nitwarega ithui atumia. Ndaria riu ningi ndi mutumia. Tondu riri wamute wacoka wagira ungi. Na uria niuteire na ndunoiga gitumi kiria giatuma umute. Uyu ningi woya niwacoka ningi niwatee. Atumia atatu niwatee ukinjokagiria nii. Na nii ndiagigutumite wira handu. Murathii na muiritu ucio wahikia arehe ciana ndimurerere. Aca. Katiba itu ihitukie uria ikuhitukia ha ciana iria itari na maithe cia guteo o uguo igacoka guika ciungurira. Ciungurira ciikuo. Ciungurira iroima maundu-ini macio. Korwo mundu ni aneagwo ciana ciake muiritu wakwa akanjokerera atari mwana tondu agithii gwake ndari na ciana. Nii ngareherwo muiritu wakwa e wiki tondu niwe wahitia mucii ucio no ti ciana ciaku cieka atia? Ciana ciaku woe urere kinya kuria ikenda gukinyania na githomo nacio. Nigetha riri nii ndige gutwika maid wakureraga ciana. Ndiganitie reke njuge kingi kimwe tu. Ndikuga igiri nguga kimwe.
Haria hangi ni haha. Airitu aria ngwetire-ri nimagerie guthondekererwo raini ciao cia wira. Nimagerie guthondekerwo mibango yao ya guikara. Ciana cia ngoria-I icio mureta cungurira ikuria Nairobi. Ciana icio ndirona igithii kurogotwo ni aria maracienda. Nitwarega uhoro ucio wa kurogotaga ciana icio itari na kundu iratwarwo igatindaga ikiererio na ngari ikiheagwo irio. Niithondekerwo uikaro wacio mwanya ithiage kwonwo. Tondu ciana icio ni iria ciomire na kuria nyingi na iria ingi ni iria itari na manyina makuite. 49
Haria hangi ni haha. Githomo gia ciana cia ndigwa thirikari iria iguka ithondeke githomo kiu. Ni kaba tutinagio kuota iria turutaga tugathomithia ciana cia ndigwa tugicionaga kuria cikarite. Gutiganite barabara ino itu kuma Jabini ithui twatuikire igoto. Ithui thiini wa Kinangop ti South ndoiga North Kinangop. Twatuikire igoto ria kuhuhagiririo nigetha riakana-ri, riarikia gwakana mwaki-ri, ndiui kana niuguthimura thimo io, tukoiga huu. Ithui tukiugaga o huu. Ithui tukiugaga o huu. Riu rami irorete gukinya Jabini. Guku gwitu-ri Katiba igiukari itwire atiriri nayo North Kinangop-ri wayori ikanjiririo ri. Thengio muno.
Com. Kabira: Thengio muno Grace. Coka haria Grace o ndagika imwe. Ngwenda gukuria uhoro wa ciana icio woiga iroragwo ni maithe.
Grace: Iroragwo ni maithe mao.
Com. Kabira: Niui uhoro wa Affliation act?
Grace: Muiritu wakwa ndathire gwaku na mwana. Athire e wika. Riu we waigua muiritu niwaremwo niwe-ri, na ni gute watee-ri ciana oera jacket umenye uria ugucirera. Thirikari yoe ikinya ria kumenya ucio wate ciana iciori, acite niki, na acite ni gitumi kiriku na acite ikarerwo nuu waciciarire.
Com. Kabira: Thengiu muno Grace. I mutumia angiura?
Grace: Mutumia wa kura gutari gitumi nitwarega. Mutumia wa kuhurwo gutari gitumi nitwarega. Mutumia wa kwaga gwathika. Hari undu umwe nguga. Ta ndekera hanini. Nii ndi muciari wa airitu na ndi muciari wa anake. Ndi wa raini cieri. No mutumia wa kura gutari gitumi uria maroha mirigo mundu agathii kwiikaria, agathii guikara thiini wa town, ucio atumia nitukurega. Ona niturirumanagirira nake tukamenya atiga muthuri wake agakombore nyumba niki. Kuu ni kuhurithia atumia gicangio. Tondu urirumaguo na wa Njoroge. Nawe nduri undu wikaga ona umwe wi mutumia muthingu. No nourirumaguo na wa Njoroge, niundu aratigire mucii wake arathii gukombora nyumba. Ucio wakombora nyumba gutari gitumi ona akorwo ni Naomi uria wakwa, muiritu acoka kwao ni athii mucii agaikare mucii tuonage ee mucii. Tumuteithagie na njira ya kuona ati ni kwaga agite. Twi airitu aingi muno me micii na mararuta mawira ma mugunda na mbiacara. No guikara town mundu akoima gwake na njira ya guturika ona ithui atumia nitukouoya jukumu.
Com. Kabira: He kiuria kingi kimwe. Athuri moigire atiriri mbere, ati atumia nio mahotaga hindi ciothe.
Grace: Mutumia no ahote. Ona gutari any kana any. Ona gutari gatuu kana gatuu. Gitumi ni tondu riri, mutumia niekuhota tondu mutumia hindi ciothe atigagwo mucii aramate nake muthuri ni wa kurehe. Angigikorwo muthuri tuothe urikooyaga kuoya o kuoya, o kung’aria, o kung’aria ugitwaraga kuria ugutwara-ri, kiria gigukigiria mutumia ucio agakihote atarura ndeto ciothe-ri 50
nikii na mutumia athitangwo oimburaga moothe magathira? Ndari maundu atigagia. Riu murikiugaga atiriri, mutumia ucio niaririe mahitia no mutumia aririe ma kinya athuri aria meguikaire thi-ri, ona niwandirikania kindu kingi. Mugithurana githurano Katiba – Katiba igithurwo thiini wa kiama ona akorwo ni gia chief kana ni kia DO atumia makoragwo ho. Nigetha uhoro uria ukwario nao mageka atia? Nikio ndoiga ati mutumia ndari kundu atangihota ona igoti-ini. Ona igoti-ini mathikagiririo ni andu oothe nginya ni athuri a igoti-ini. Mutumia nitondu ni ndungata, mutumia ndoiga ringi nimuramati angikorwo wakiramata iria waramata uriukaga ugicangaga-ri, kiria gikugiria njoe jukumu yakwa-ri, na ni nii mwene ciana icio utuku na muthenya-ri nikii? Ni nii mukami, ni nii mutungati kiria urehire, nii na nii no nginya ngigie na urume wa kuoya jukumu ndwarane nawe kinya kuria urindwara ungikorwo wi muoyo ndukuite ta wa nyina wa Naomi. Uguo mutumia ena bata ahotane tondu niwe ukuite ruriri ruria ndoiga ruothe. Angikorwo chief niekwenda kubara uma no nginya mutumia ahotane tondu ruriri ruothe ni mutumia ukuite.
Com. Kabira: Ngwiciria hau arume nimaigua. Thank you very much. Ucio oima Grace Wanjiru. Samuel Kihoti.
Samuel: Nindamugeithia nimwageithika? Undu uria ingienda kuga thirikari iria iguthondekwo. Nii ndi muhunjia no ninjui kuria maundu mathukagira. Thirikari ino iitu ya Kenya ithukitio ni kindu gitagwo maheni. Gwakorwo ni President oka thiini wa Engineer mugoka mukamwira uria tutunyitwo mbeca ni mundu ugwitwo Kairu. Akoiga ihi, ashikwe mara moja na hakuna kitu mutalipwa. Mugakena muoiga hiii, iria rianyu rikorira. Mugoka mukerwo ihi, barabara ino ndauge ithondekwo kuma Magumu yuke ihitukite kinya Karao. Mwihaha tukoya moko tukoiga iii. Tugakena muno makiria. Tutuikite akuhenagio. Ingienda President uria uguthruo, athurwo President utari wa maheni. Mundu mwihokeku. Mundu wa kawaida ta nii ndari na mundu wa kumurubuiya. Ucio niguo thina uria twinaguo makiria. Mundu tawe nduri na mundu urakurumbuiya. Ona ndungiona mundu urenda kumenya uriaga kii. Watunywo kindu giaku nduri na mukwaririria. Mundu oiga nindathii police turarorwo nginya kiratu nginya mutwe uria hunyukite. Ndingiona mundu wa kundeithia. Muthigari akoiga ihi, kabla nikusaidie lete kitu kidogo. TKK. Riu ndirenda kuga riu hakwa. Maheni haria haitu nihathecanirwo, mundu agitheca uria ungi na kahiu. Twathii gwetha uteithio borithi twerirwo turute ciringi 500 tukirega. Tugukaga kuruta mbeca ni muhothi. Ugwo ithui tutirateithio. Uguo ngwenda kuga atiriri Katiba ino iguthondekwo ni ithondekwo wega muno makiria ona America riria kurathuragwo aa Bill Clinton mundu ucio niaroragwo kinya uria ahana na mitugo yake, na mithiire yake tondu ni mundu uroka gwatha andu. Uguo ndirenda kuga atiriri ota aria moigire haha, President agithurwo niakorwo ena mucii wake. Ii tiguo-i? Kwimwana kiria gi gwakwa ona gitinginjatha. President akorwo ena mutumia nigetha riria ahiuha kiongo akahorio ni mutumia. No ringi kimwana kingithii gigathane nieguthii na akaria maundu maria matagiriire. Niundu cira ukuga atiriri ucio toguo ngwendaga kuga.
Point iria ingi ndinayo ni ino: Katiba iria iguthondekwo, muingi ukoragwo twina bata rekei ndimwire ta riu kwaina githurano. Githi tiguoi? Riu nitukumona guku. Reke muingi wa kawaida ona riria ringi tukorwo nituraheo gitio. Nii ninguraga cukari, ngagura kiria kingi. Mbeca icio ithiaga ku? Uguo Katiba igithondekwo President niatige kuheo mandaraka manene. President niakorwo ee thi wa watho. Ona thiini wa mbunge. Angikorwo arathii Uganda ambunge makamenya ni guthii arathii. No ti umuthi America, rucio wapi, nikio mwina mathina nginya mutingiona gwa kwendia. Athii kuria athii akerwo ndina iria ria mutu. Asante leteni. Twina kiria kingi. Rehe. Inyui mugakua ni thina na ciana mutiguthomithia. Ni undu ucio ingiuga uu, President 51
uria ugwathana, niatige kuheo mucara uria wothe ekwenda. Ona nii ingikiheo hinya tongiathe mutumia wakwa? Riria ndathii Naikuru akanjira aca niuthiite muno riu. Ithe wa Njeri poa kidogo. Onake ekwenda President uriragwo.
Akerwo riu
nduguthii, ndugwika uu. Uria ungi niuu, niwega uhetwo gitio ni raiya. Okorwo ni police iria tuhetwo, ota uria mundu uria ekugite haha, niirutwo kuhe andu gitio. Muborithi amenye wira wake niuriku. Ndionaga ta maheagwo mbia. Mundu ucio niabundithio kwenda andu aria ararutira wira. Turi ahinyiririe muno muno guku kinya ni thigari. Ukona mundu wa cang’aa niwe uratengerio muno. Mundu wa gacinga ringi niwe uratengerio muno wa guthii kugurira mwana kamutu. No aria maraiya na AK 47 nio makarekererio. Ukona no turahinyiririka. Ona tutiui kana Katiba ino tondu ndiraiguaga TV na ndirathoma magathiti-ini mundu ugwitwo Ghai aroiga ndingiretire. Uguo onayo Review Commission ina corruption.
Nitukwenda gwakorwo Katiba
niturenda tuthondeke, Katiba ithondekwo na njira itari ya ku-favour undu ona umwe. Tutige kuhungwo mahuri tugitwaragwo uu tugitwaragwo uu nigetha ringi tuhingicuo kana maundu maria mangi mahingicuo. Maundu mothe matwarwo utheri-ini niguo ndirenda kuuga. Tondu Kenya kiria kimithukitie ni maheni. Ringi turute mawooni na mahinda turate, tutikona ugaruruku ona umwe. Githi tiguoi? Kana tiguo kuri? Niundu ucio rekei uuma thiini wa bururi kiria kirathukia bururi uyu wa Kenya ni kindu gigwitwo maheni. Uhuru wa kuabudu. Ucio niwirirwo. Nii ndoiga ndi muhunjia na andu aria me thiini wa kanitha wa devil worshipers ni maminister. Minister fulani, MP fulani, etc. Ithui turahoya Ngai uria mutura muoyo. Na nikio tutiaheirwo matwirio ma devil worshipers. Uguo ndirenda kuga atiriri uhuru wa kuabudu ingiuga Katiba iria iguthondekwo, ndini yothe itekuhoya Ngai, io niihingwo kana niya munene kana ni yau io niihingwo. Tutuike andu aria marihoyaga Ngai uria uriiguaga. Niundu ucio kiria ngwenda kuga niandu matikarutithio wira wa tuhu ni Review Commission. Asante.
Jonathan: Gikirei na nii muthikiririe. Turathondeka Katiba na Katiba ino turathondeka, turathondeka ni undu wa ciana iria turi nacio na iria igaciarwo ni ciana citu. Ni getha bururi witu uikare wi conjo. Nii ninjuagaga kaingi muthamaki witu akiuga ati uchumi wa ulimwengu uliharibika, kama uchumi wa Kenya niwathukire. No uchumi ucio ndwathukirio ni mundu ungi nowe. Tondu riria akuaga andu 400 agathii nao nginya ruraya, Russia, Japan mbia iria ahuthagira ni mbia cia bururi. Na kwoguo bururi no kinya uthii hathara tondu wa kwaga uteithio. Niatige gutwiraga ati ni uchumi uthukite kuma thi ciothe. Wa Kenya niguo wathukire muno. Riu undu uria ingihota gucoka kwaria, ndirenda kwaria point 3 tu.
Wa mbere, andu nimarihite migunda amwe makanina. Niki gitumaga marihio mbia cia tiri o mwaka o mwaka ciringi 40? Kiu ni kimwe. Gia keri, nitui ati ta mutumia uria woiga haha bururi uyu watungatiirwo ni anake na ni getha tuone bururi mwega. Na hindi io ningwiciria bururi uyu ukiruirwo ndari mwanake ndiari muthuri uguo mukuona ngurite. Ndekagira mucinga ciande nii ukunyona hau uguo ngathii utuku tondu mau mau yathiyaga utuku niguo wari muthenya wao. Na kuoguo-ri, tuoigaga tukuruira bururi uyu witu ni undu wa ciana citu iria tuguciara ikona kihuruko. No riu nituonete ciana citu itiri kihuruko ingiona. Ciana citu itingiona kihuruko kiria tweriragiria ati twahotana ciana citu niikahuruka. Umuthi ciana citu ni nying iri na mathina. Nitugeretie guthomithia na gutiri mawira ingiona. Kuoguo-ri, bururi uyu witu niwabuthire ota tiri uria ukoragwo ubuthiite githaka. Riu Katiba iria tukwenda ni bururi witu urungwo wagire. Ongorwo ni migunda ta ino turi nayo tutigage kurihio tiri. Twaruagira tiri na tiri ucio niguo turariha o mwaka ciringi 40. Mbeca icio ithiaga ku? Maya ni mai – niturihagio mai ciringi 200 per month. Ciringi icio 200-ri tecirie 1000 ikuriha mieri iigana. Hau naho Katiba imenyerere ati mai maya twaheirwo ni Jehova uria 52
watumbire na niatwendete muno makiria tondu niatuheire bururi utari thina no andu nio marathukia bururi. No Ngai tiguo athanite. Ngai athanite twendane, tuteithanie, cionje tuciteithie, ciana iria itari na mundu wa kumateithia tuciteithie. Riu kuoguo Katiba igithondekwo ithondekwo uria tukwenda ithui wananchi wa Kenya. Nindarikia ndiri na undu ungi ngwendaga.
Mary: Muri ega tumukumie Yesu Christo? Njitaguo Mary Gichuki na uria ingienda watho witu mweru uyu turoka guthondeka haha wikwo, wa mbere ni President agiage na mutumia. Tondu riria President atari na mutumia nikuonania we ahitia ndangiona mundu wa kumugarura.
Uria ungi tondu ndirenda gutengeria na kuga point, point no nyende watho uyu witu mweru tuheo permit ni thirikari tuheagwo mai ma tuhu, tuheagwo thitima ona akorwo ni turirihagio. Mundu tondu ni citizen wa Kenya rikia kuga niaraka akaheo huduma ni thirikari ya mai na thitima tondu nituraruta igoti. Undu uria ungi ni undu wa gender. Atumia tuigananio na athuri. For example akorwo ni riria kurathuranwo ithurano o iriku atumia makaheagwo priority. Kwa muhiano kugie na watho thiini wa Kenya ati akorwo kamati ya cukuru wa primary kana o secondary niirathuranwo, mwahota gukorwo mugite gugathurwo atumia 5 na gugathurwo athuri 5 tondu nitwagiriirwo ni kuigananio ni undu ni ithui tukoragwo muno kuu cukuru io ona ni ithui tukoragwo na ciana icio ihinda riria inene. Ona no nyende watho ucio uthii na mbere kuhe mutumia gitio tondu mutumia niwe uciaraga kinya President ucio, mutumia niwe uciarite mundu wothe na kuoguo no nyende watho wa Kenya uhe mutumia gitio ati o vote o iriku gutiri irathuranwo, igathuragwo athuri na atumia maigananitio.
Ngitaganura hau hanini ni tondu akorwo nita board, for example ta riu ya Aids iria nii ndi committee member, twagiriirwo ni gukorwo turi andu 18. Na thiini wa andu acio 18 atumia turi 3. Na turathii kwaririria uhoro wa aids. Na andu aria maruaraga muno kana aria concerned matigagirwo ciana icio cia andu acio makua acio a Aids ni atumia. Wira muritu muno na ithui tuheagwo na ni undu wa kuheo wira ucio muritu-ri nikio ndiroria watho uyu mweru uroka gwikirwo uhe mutumia gitio na utwikire uigananu wa kamati. Ona ta riu ungirora haha madam na co-ordinator witu no wone ati atumia tutiukite haha aingi. Ti guthura ni tondu tutihetwo civic education na no turie thirikari itikire kuhe atumia civic education. Tondu mutumia ahota gwitikia na tiahota uguo niguo oi kuringana riu na watho uria uri kuo riu uroiga tondu uroiga ni watho uria uri kuo tondu ninjui uguo niguo kuri ati wira wa mutumia no kuruga na kurora ciana. Nitukwenda tuheo civic education tumenye ucio kuruga na kurora ciana toguo wira wa mutumia.
Mutumia niagiriirwo ni kuruta wira uria urarutwo ni athuri. Gitumi ni kii? Nitondu tuthomaga na school fees iigananite. School fees ya mwana wa muiritu na mwanake ikoragwo cigananite. Ndi muciari na ndina airitu na ndina anake na ndiri handu njiguaga school fees igituika ya muiritu ii thi na ya mwana wa mwanake ii iguru. No nyende mutumia athii na mbere kuheo gitio ni watho ucio mweru, uhoro ona wa administration. Hindi iria guguthurwo macibu magathurwo assistant chief onako tuheagwo kamweke kau gaguthurwo kana ga kwandikwo nigetha twathii gucirira kana twathii appointment ya board iriku tugagikorwo twi kuu. No nyende kuongerera hangi njuge ati no twende ona guthiathia hanene makiria hindi ino ya ithurano, ta riu tuiguaga ati hindi ciothe gukirwo ati niturenda uigananu na nigukendwo guthurwo atumia thiini wa Parliament. Tukoragia atiriri magathurwo atia? Ni 53
andu magoka kwirwo matigathure mundurume tondu niarugamite mathure atumia? Nituheo support ni thirikari nigetha tuhote kugia na ithurano njega kana kuwakirisha atumia. No nyende akorwo giti kia Presient twathura mundurume, nakio giti kia Vice President gigakorwo gi kia mutumia. Na no nyende akorwo giti kia President ni kia mutumia nakio kiu kingi gigatuika uguo. No njurie watho uyu turekira mweru ati no twende mutumia athurwo tondu ni ithui aingi aakirishe Parliament. Na no nyende kuheana gitumi. Ni tondu ta riu uguo kuma 1963 ni athuri mathuritwo tondu twina mapresident meri na mapresident macio meri ni athuri. Na tondu nimaremetwo ni gutwatha wega twina corruption nyingi muno thiini wa bururi witu ihinda riri nonjurie watho uria mweru uguthurwo uge mutumia aheo kamweke tumuthure President nake tuone uria angitutuarithia. Tondu niwega kugeria uyu nitugeretie niuturemete, rekei tugerie uyu ungi nigetha tuone kana niukuhoteka.
Ngwendaga kuuga atiriri, niwega tuhe andu kamweke na no nyende commissioner mumenye ati ni undu wa uria kuomire haria wathoini uria ungi, watho uria mukuru mutumia atahetwo wiyathi kana mutumia atahetwo gitio nikio urona tutihotaga kumira handu hari andu. No twende watho uyu mweru wikirwo maundu maingi muno megucover atumia nigetha tuhote kumagira ta uria athuri moimagira ta riu tuoka haha niundu wa kurehe maoni maitu. Tondu ni ndaigua nindahurirwo ngengere-ri, na ndikuninite-ri, no nyende gukiuga atiriri ona gugikagwo uguo wotheri, ciana citu niicaririo mawira. Ciana ciarikia guthoma ni itige kurekererio ni thirikari na ni turaruta igoti ni citwarwo ma training na ciheo wira tondu nitukirutite igoti na turirutaga o rucini. Asante.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Reke ngurie kiuria kimwe please. Ukwaragia uhoro wa atumia a certain percentage. Ukugaga 50 –50? In all boards?
Mary: Ii ngwendaga kuga atumia tutige kuheo 50 – 50. Mutumia akaheo akorwo ni 40% riria muthuri ari 50 kana 60%.
Com. Kabira: Okey. 40% kana 60%.
Mary: Ii nigetha tugie na chances nyingi cia kuhota gutonya thiini wa thirikari.
Com. Kabira: I parliament na local authority?
Mary: Parliament and local authority. Uguo ni kuga tuheo kamweke, ndiui kana hihi niuranyita wega, ngugaga 40% nigetha tondu atumia wona twaheana 50-50 atumia matiihota kugia na mweke wa gutonya thiini wa Parliament kana thiini wa councillors no mutumia angiheo priority nimekuhota kuingira wega. Tondu njugire o haria mbere watho uria wiho ndwarehire mutumia wega undu mutumia ahotire kwi approach wega kana kwiyumiria wega hari wananchi. Riu watho uyu urehuo ugutuma mutumia eyumirie wega muno kwi wananchi. Niwanyita hau tondu niho ndina bata muno naho gukira kuria kungi. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Nindanyita. Mary Gichuki. Bidan Ndirangu. 54
Bidan: Nii njitagwo Bidan Ndirangu ota uguo mwaigua mwandiki agweta na ni ndirenda kuheana mawoni makwa na gwitu ni Muruaki. Undu wa mbere undu uria ingienda kuga ni ati uhoro wa campaign ya Presidential candidate.
President uria
ungikorwo arugamiriire thirikari gwa kahinda kau ndakahuthagire ngari cia thirikari agika campaign ciake. Uguo akoragwo agika campaign na ngari iria ci ciake kana ndege iria ci ciake.
Na undu uria ungi ingienda kuga ni ati President ndagakorwo ari iguru ria watho. Onake angihitia niathitangwo na watho uria angikorwo ahititie. Wa gatatu ngwendaga kuga ati ni hagie na ugayanu kana kugayanio kwa mawatho ta judiciary ikaheo hinya wayo mwanya itekuingirirwo, na Parliament nayo ikaheo hinya onayo wayo uria wagiriire na ningi executive nayo igakorwo nayo ii mwanya. Na undu uria ungi wa kana ni githurano kurugamirirwo ni Commission ina hinya itekuingirirwo ni thirikari. Ni ngwenda kugweta hanini uhoro wa Commission iyo ya Ghai ni tondu niirathii na mbere na Constitution iria ii ho kwa mahinda maya niituhinyiriirie muno tondu ii kundu kuingi muno ithukitio. Nitungienda commission ya Ghai irikie wira wayo December nigetha tugithii gwika githurano kiu kingi twike twina Constitution njeru iria ina mawoni maitu. Naguo wathio constitutional conference uhoro ndugagikinye o hau nikugie na referendum ni getha nao andu magithii kiharo na mahitukie mawoni macio mari othe.
Uhoro uria ungi ngwendaga kugweta ni uhoro wa mititu. Mititu niirorwo na njira njega nitondu mititu niithukitio muno igatemwo miti, igacoka nginya kuria mai moimaga gugathukio na gutiri undu urathii na mbere kurorwo. kwogwo ona andu aria mari kundu guku ta naguku kiandaini magacoka makaga mai ni tondu wa uria mititu itu ithukitio.
Undu uria ungi wa kenda ni ati ithui turi andu a Kenya ithuothe nanitwagiriirwo ni mundu wa Kenya angigia na handu haria ararutira wira niarekwo aikare ho na hatikae kugia na mundu wa kumuruta ho nitondu ni mukenya na ti mundu wa gugiuka. Githurano nakio akorwo ni githurano kia President ona kana kia mbunge nigitangathaguo ta mieri 6 mbere nigetha mundu o wothe akamenya nigugathuranwo hindi na, mieri 6 igiuka guthira nitugukorwo twina githurano na nigetha andu nao makehariria ona kumenya andu aria marathura.
Nake President athurwo akaheagwo kahinda karia egukorwo oimite wabici.
Nii
nguricommendaga ta thiku kuma 20 nginya thiku 30 nigetha akorwo e wabici kahinda kau gathira akehera na nigetha uria ungi nake uguthurwo agacoka agoka. Kenya ni ya multi party kuoguo ni tondu ni multi-party ambunge aria mathiaga thiini wa Parliament matithiaga ambunge o a kiama kiu kirathana. Nimathiaga ambunge a ciama bali bali. Kwogwo ingirecommend nii Katiba iria tuguthondeka kana iria iguthondekwo irugamirire mumbunge ucio utari wa kiama kiu hindi iria atwara mawoni make thiini wa mbunge akanyitagwo ati ni mumbunge muthure ni andu aria o ene mekwenda gutungatirwo ni thirikari io. No ndakae kwiragwo we tondu wi wa kiama giki ndungihingirio maundu ni tondu thirikari iria irathana ni ya kiama giki kingi.
Undu uria ungi ni ati President angiagirwo confidence ni ambunge aria marakorwo me mbunge niagiriirwo ni kuvotirwo vote of no confidence ni nuthu ya ambunge handu ha two-third iria ikoragwo iki-vote Parliament gwa kahinda gaka. Kuoguo ambunge mangikinya nuthu na mone President ndareka wega na niahititie niagiriirwo ni kuvotirwo nuthu ya ambunge. Undu uria ungi 55
Katiba itu iturugamirire ati President angikorwo ni oiga undu, undu ucio arikia kuuga niutuike ni undu wama nigetha undu ucio ugekika andu matige kuonaga ati tari o mundu wa kuhenania ni tondu ni mundu wina giti kinene na arikia kuga undu undu ucio ndurahinga. Ningi President ona nindirarecomenda ati ndagataraguo e Amri Jeshi Mkuu kana agakoragwo ati niwe urugamiriire jeshi yoothe ni hagie na njira ingi kana mundu ungi angikorwo arugamiriire jeshi-ini na nigetha agitua gwika undu andu acio eri nomacokanie undu ucio ugakorwo wi muiguanire.
Undu uria ungi ingienda kugweta na ni wa 15, ni wa andu aria mohetwo aria mohagwo njera na andu acio nimaroraguo wega nitondu andu acio wahota guthii njera ugakora andu matarukiirwo. Angikorwo thirikari iria iguka ndikuhota kumaserve wega aria matari na mahitia manene nimaheo rutha mainuke handu ha gukorwo magiikara makinyaririkaga njera-ini. Undu uria ungi ngwendaga kugweta ni ati President uria ungithurwo na kuma 51% guthii na iguru. Ndagika imwe tu. Just one. Kireke ndikie. Nacio votes iria cast thiini wa province, percentage cia vote iria cast thiini wa province niciikiragwo ni getha mundu agakoragwo akihotana na uingi wa kura. Mubango mwega mathoma niwagiriirwo ni gukorwo wi ho nigetha magacaragirio mawira o maria mothe mangika ona ongorwo no ma mbiacara.
Ngwenda kugweta uhoro ningi wa constituency. Constituency igithondekwo igakoragwo ina uingi wa andu. Mumbunge araheo constituency imwe na ena andu 5,000 na angi mena 30,000 na ni ambunge kwoguo constituency igakoragwo igithondekwo na uingi wa andu.
Gwendaga kugweta naguo uhoro wa retirement ya andu aria mangikorwo mararetire. Andu acio nao nimaheo retirement ya miaka kuma 48 – 50 mundu agathii mucii nigetha nake ucio ungi nake agakorwo akiona wira uria nake urathoma. Muico ni ati appointment ya judge niikoragwo iri ya Commission no ti ya President uria urathana nigetha judge ucio kana majudge macio magatigaga gukorwo ni marahuthirwo ni mwathani uria urathana ni tondu ati niwe wamathurire. Maundu macio nomo ngwendaga kuneana, niwega muno.
Com. Kabira: Ni wega muno. Reke ngurie kiuria kimwe. Waria uhoro wa referendum ukwenda Constitution twike atia?
Bidan: Ngugaga atiriri, mwarikia kuoya mawoni ma andu-ri nimugakorwo mugithii Constitution conference. Thutha wa uguo-ri nikwagiriire ni guthii na andu aingi referendum nonga ari undu umwe na conference?
Comm. Wanjiku: Niho ngwendaga guclarify ati tugukorwo na three district representatives under constitutional conference. Riu conference io igakorwo na andu 600, 210 ni members of parliament, representatives a district 3 maita na 74 that is about 210, macoke mathure representatives a makanitha na NGOs, professional bodies like law society group ta icio and then representatives a 42 political parties ciama iria cia registratwo by the year 2000. Group iyo ya andu 600 niyo ikaririria Katiba mamihitukie. Role ya Parliament thutha ucio ni ceremonial, to pass the bill, but decision na adoption ya Constitution ikamakwo ni conference iyo. Angikorwo he maundu andu matakaiguanira, ta riu nituraria uhoro wa Prime Minister na President, President 56
amwe makoiga agiriirwo gukorwo e ceremonial hangikorwo hari kindu kinene, kana uhoro wa migunda for that matter ii tuge andu matikwenda andu magie na property anywhere.
Andu mangiaga kuiguanira undu serious, maundu mothe ni serious no kuri maundu more significant gukira maria mangi. Mangiaga kuiguanira hindi io niguo gugakorwo na referendum. Yes and no. Kenyans morio okorwo ni issue ta iyo ya andu gukoragwo na property kuria guothe mundu ekwenda within Kenya morio. Aria mekuga yes makorwo mari aingi-ri then igatwika Constitution. Ningwendaga guclarify tondu ona Mr. Mutua niekwaritie uhoro wa the same issue na ndeciria ni wega guclarify. Referendum ikuhappen only angikorwo kwina disagreement. Akorwo gutiri na disagreement then the national conference will pass the Constitution and within 14 days inengerwo Parliament. Twetereire James Mwaura.
James Mwaura: Niwega muno Commissioner ni undu wa kuhe ihinda riri. Na nii gwenda kwaria tuundu tunini na tondu maingi ma mo nimahutitio na njira imwe kana iria ingi, ninguona tari wega koruo no thii through na ihenya ota uria kungihoteka. Nii ngwenda kwambiriria na system ikonii githomo ndikwenda kuga system iria yagiririire no ngwenda kuga githomo kiria tugukorwo nakio gikoragwo ni githomo kiria kiagiriire bururi kuringana na maundu maria makonii bururi ucio. Akorwo twi Kenya githomo kiria kibataire Kenya kingikorwo Uganda no kiage kwagirira. Ni undu ucio twage kuadopt system cia githomo kuringana na mabururi maria turacera. Ta uria mundu umwe athire gucera bururi fulani oka akiaria uhoro wa 8-4-4 no ukorwo ni watho na igituika no muhaka ikorwo ari yo. No warora uria 8-4-4 irateithia Kenya, ukona ina loopholes nyingi muno. Ni undu ucio githomo githiage kuringana na mabataro ma bururi uyu witu wa Kenya.
Mwena ucio wa githomo – githomo nakio ningi kigayanio ota uguo twi na andu a mithemba mianya mianya, thiini wa bururi kwi andu mwanya mwanya kuri mataiguaga, matonaga, githomo kigayanio kuringana na andu acio uria mahana, o andu kuringana na uria matarii maheo githomo kiria kirimateithagia. Na igeranio nacio ciukage ci tofauti na igeranio iria irekwo ni andu aria angi agima. Ongorwo ni mundu ndonaga niatige gwika kigeranio kiria kirekwo ni uria wonaga. Akorwo ni uria utaiguaga githomo nginya kigeranio kiria areka gitige gukorwo ati giothe ni uniform. Kuoguo gitirahe andu aria priority muturire-ini wao wa thutha. Ona nieguthoma na ahituke no wira fulani makinya kurutwo, niakaremwo ni kuruta tondu githomo giki gitiramufavour. Niundu ucio mwena wa githomo ngurikiria hau uguo. Ngwiciria thiini wa constitution iria tukugia nayo njeru ni ikugia na changes icio.
Undu ucio ungi ni Parliament. Ngwenda gucokia issue gwiciria ni no. 9 thiini wa Parliament thiini wa tubuku tutu andu menatuo tutune. Nii nguga mbunge yongererwo muthenya ungi. Karoigo mbunge ithiaga thiku 3 Jumanne, Jumatano na Alhamisi. Mbunge yongererwo muthenya ungi either Jumatatu kana Jumaa. Reke tucemanagie na MP aitu mithenya iria ingi tiga working day no makoragwo me mbunge thiku 4 tondu issues iria ithiaga mbunge itihitukaga ni undu wa mahinda. Ukona kahinda kau nigakuhiha mbunge niyathii niyakinya handu, niyahingwo andu ni mambe mathii leave hingo iria marathii ningi magathii leave nene muno. Waringithania wira uria mararuta na mucara uria mararia, ukona Kenya nikio irathina. Irathina ni tondu nimararia mbeca nyingi muno no wira uria mararutira bururi ni munyinyi muno. Thiku ucio mathiaga 3 ni nyinyi ciongererwo thiku ingi imwe kuringana na woni wakwa nii mathiage thiku 4 na thiku icio inya uhoro wa kuga atira thiku mugwanja ona aria mandikitwo 57
mawira mangi haha mutiitikagirio gutira thiku 7 mutari na rutha. Nimatige gutira guthii mbunge. Hindi io atari kuo ithui tutiri na mwakilishi. Niundu ucio athii mbunge at least thiku 3 hari icio 4 o kiumia, o kiumia. Micara nimaheo wona maruta wira mwega. Nimarie ngiri icio mararia magana macio mothe. Tutikumaka makorwo nimekuruta wira mwega. Ucio ukonii mbunge. Yongererwo muthenya ungi umwe kuringana na uria commissioners na aria mekuruta mawoni mekuona kwagiriire.
Employment – ucio ni mwena wa wandikani. Nuturamaka na ngwiciria athuri na atumia aria mwi guku umuthi nimuramaka ni kuigua munene uria wikuo umuthi na niwe President ati wona ehera atiga upresident nowe ugathii na mbere gutuika chairman wa kanu. Ni undu ucio niwe ugathii na mbere nginya gwatha jeshi na aria angi athenga. Tukamaka atiriri uria ukuneo upresident-ri ndekugarurwo ni jeshi tondu jeshi yumite kabiraini imwe? Daudi Toje, uu, na acio angi ndikwenda kugweta othe tondu ni aingi parastatal fulani ni arap ng’ania wa ng’ania wathii ha ni ng’ania, thii posta no o kari o kabira imwe i thiini wa Kenya ingiandikwo? Kai wira uyu tondu niwa bururi witu wi wothe utangigayanio kuringana na makabira. Akorwo twi kabira 42 thiini wa Kenya, akorwo jeshi irendwo 100 ikagayanio na percentage kuringana na unene wa kabira. Ta riu Gikuyu turi aingi na nima ni wega turi aingi tondu nikio census ona twatarwo report ndioimire tondu Gikuyu nimugwitia ni tondu wa kuingiha. O uguo kabira ii nene, ikaheo proportion nene gwakinya ni mawira makinya ni maundu maria mangi marekwo kibururi, maria marekwo ni ithui turi ithuothe. Mawira macio makagayanio. Akorwo ni kwandikwo ni warimu niku, mawira maya mothe tugayanio kuringana na uria makabira maitu maigana na percentages tondu ngwiciria uguo niguo guthiaga. Tondu nyonaga thiini wa share holding mundu aheagwo dividend kuringana nikii winakio. Ni undu ucio o uguo na ithui turi aingi mawira magayanio o uguo tugakorwo turi aingaingi mawira maya. Ndirakiuga o Gikuyu-i no ndiroiga proportionally kuringana na uria tuigana thiini wa bururi.
Undu ucio ungi naguo ukonii urimi. Nii ngurecommend thirikari ino ya Kenya yeherie uhoro witagwo wa middle man thiini wa urimi. Ni hari mundu wa gatagati. Ati nii wona ndakuria waru ciakwa cigikinya kuri uria murii, hena mundu wi gatagati witaguo broker. Uhoro uyu wa broking, broker cieherio ciothe kana ni kwendia plot nakuria Nairobi na kuria kungi kwendagio plot wira wa broker uthire. Nii deal directly na thirikari. Nayo thirikari ideal na muguri wa kiria arenda kuria. Akorwo ni iria ndiui muuno no ninjui atiriri, America ndungienderio iria fresh ni mundu. Ndiui kuu kungi njui America hanini. Ndungienderio iria fresh ati ta riu njuke uke na gakombe kana kabuyu gwikirire iria ndutite nyondoini cia ngombe. Ingika uguo watho niukunjoha kana ninguthitwo ni undu wa kuna watho. Watho uroiga kiria giothe ngukuria kuma mugunda githii gwi thirikari. Nayo thirikari ikioe nigetha i-determine price uria ukuruta nginya muthini, nginya gitonga inywothe ni mukiugananio thiini wa thogora ucio ugwetetwo ni thirikari. Tondu mathogora marathukio ni andu aya me gatagati-ini haha. Ni undu ucio nii nguria twendagirie thirikari indo citu ciothe nayo nikuhota kuregulate kinya mbei ya fertilizer na input icio ciothe andu maritie. Thirikari akorwo ni nii nayo maundu nimekuhutha. Iyo niyo recommendation yakwa nii.
Undu ucio ungi ni working time. Mathaa ma wira. Ni cori muno tondu maya nyonete o guku turi. Ati niuguthii ta wabici ya chief muthenya wa Jumatatu ugaikara kinya thaa inya na nima ukaigua ati guku muthenya wa Jumatatu wabici ihinguraguo kuma thaa inya na nuthu. Niki? Kai Kenya ino tita mabururi maria mangi? Na niguo tuthinire, na niguo tukomire, na niguo tutuikire 58
corrupt. Mathaa ma wira nii ngurecommend Katiba ino njeru iclarify wega muno mathaa ma wira ati wona ndathii wabici ndathii thaa igiri mbataire kuhingirio nigetha na nii thii wira kuria na nii nguthiaga, kana njoke mugunda ngarime, ngarore ng’ ombe ciakwa thaa igiri, ni thaa igiri. Urona werwo uthii gwa chief. Kwagiriire ukinye kuo thaa ithatu na nuthu. Kurerwo thaa ithatu na nuthu gotangira andu thaa iria ciagiriire cia wabici? Njoke ndakinya kuo ngore ni ma thaa icio nikuru mundu? Urathii ngakinya icio ithatu na nuthu no muhinguri wabici ariuka thaa inya.
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itangicomplain. Tondu wathii borithi report office ina mundu thaa ciothe. Uguo niguo iguru ria mathaa ma wira.
Wa muico ni corruption. Nii nguga kuhitukio watho. Mundu anyitwo na kaundu kanini gakonii corruption, kuhakwo na kii, na ukabila ati no heire mundu uria tukonaine kifamily wira, nepotism na maundu macio mangi. Wona wanyitwo na kaundu ka muthemba ucio ii ugatangathwo nginya ngathiti-ini uria tuonaga andu na mbica ngathiti-ini ati mundu ng’ania ti mwandikwo ringi wa kambuni ino. Mundu ucio akandikwo tukamenya na agatunywo public office. Kuuma hau nginya riria agathirwo. Thank you very much.
Francis Munyua: Wa mbere nyambe njuge ngatho ni undu wa muingi uyu, kuri commission na ithui wananchi ni undu wa undu uyu. Ndirenda kuruta mawoni makwa ma mbere megii commission ino. Commission ino ninjui ikoretwo ho thutha wa ngucanio nene na nditi nene niundu wa uria bururi witu ukoretwo Katiba itari njega na President ari above the law uguo ona ithurano cia 92, 97 ithuranitwo uru ni undu wa gukorwo twina Katiba njuru. Uguo nii woni wakwa ni atiriri, kuma hindi iria Commission ino yaheirwo wira-ri, kahinda karia kaheanirwo ithui nitwacokirwo ni thayu twaigua tuguthurana na Katiba njeru.
Uguo
recommendation yakwa ni atiriri, tugithii guthurana hindi io ingi-ri, tuthurane na Katiba njeru nitondu twathii na Katiba nguru tugucoka thina-ini uria twari ni tondu President ari above maundu mothe nginya Electral Commission, nginya Commission ino maundu macio mothe. Uguo ni undu umwe na kuga atiriri, akorwo tutigukorwo na Katiba njeru-ri, gutiri uhoro wa guthurana.
Mawoni makwa ma keri megii igoti. Ona gutuika nitugwetete muno President ari above the law, hari mundu ungi nake uri above the law, nake etagwo judge. Thiini wa bururi witu ungithii igoti-ini kwanja ungikorwo wi mundu wa kawaida ti mundu uthiaga kurorwo kana niehitie, nitakuhinyaniriria gutheri. Wambere angikorwo turathii gucira na gitonga, na gitonga nikirahota ku-hire wakiri, Commission ino yuge ati angikorwo andu eri marathii gucira, umwe ndakagie na wakiri na uria ungi akorwo atari na wakiri. Thirikari yone mundu ucio nake ni agia na wakiri ni tondu mundu utari undu arahota-ri, utaramenya watho-ri na uramenya watho-ri, mutingihota gutwarana. Wa keri nake judge amenyeke ati ndari above the law. Rekei ndimuhe kaundu kanini tu kahutitie riri ndirathii guthikiriria cira wa muru wa maitu akomborithitie mundu nduka. Mundu ucio agacoka ningi agoka akenja nduka akaiya tondu niendaga kuongererwo kiria. Rugendo ruria rwari hau ni runene muno tondu mundu ucio ari na tubia niagithire akiheana kuria igoti-ini na maundu mothe. No muthenya umwe niathire guthikiririo cira. Na ni nii ndathire mbere yake. Ndatindire njikarite hau njigue kana ni egwituo, no hwai-ini erirwo nietirwo. Tondu ambite guthii handu hangi. Ngioya guoko igoti-ini ngiuga ndatinda haha na ndanetwo. Ndetirwo na hau thiini chamber. Ngirwo content to the court na ngitocwo ciringi 2,000 na ngirwo akorwo ndikuruta 2,000 thii igoti-ini. Ouguo ngoiga atiriri, nii tiga ndari na ciringi 2,000 ingiathire kuohuo mieri 2 bure niundu wa watho wa mundu uri above the law ati tondu ni judge. Uguo undu ucio naguo urorwo 59
muno.
Undu uria ungi ni ati thirikari ni iralicense maundu mamwe magatuika ni maguthinia muraiya. Kwa muhiano njohi. Njohi ni thirikari iheanaga rutha mundu akaheo license arugage. No ungirora na guku tukoragwo icagi-ri, ukona njohi ni irarugwo mundu wa bar agetwo endagie njohi no ndarendia njohi iria yagiriire arendia cangaa, akendia njohi kabira o yothe. Na mundu uyu ona mungigeria kuga ati niarendia cang’aa nakii, mundu uyu ndangikinyitika. Ukuona andu ona nimagithitio thayu, nimagithitio gitio ni andu aria menyagiire gitio makinyua njohi ici. Uguo undu ucio naguo urorwo muno.
Uhoro uria ungi ngwendaga kugweta ni uhoro wa inheritance: Maundu mamwe nimatige gutigirwo nduire cia andu. Kwa muhiano, haha nihekugwetetwo uhoro wa kugaya. Mwana ni mwana. Wa kahii kana wa kairitu. No muthuri ahota gukorwo ena kihii kimwe kana ihii igiri na akorwo ena airitu ana. Airitu acio tondu nduire citu ciugite ati mwana wa kahii niwe wagiriirwo ni kugaya. Ciana ici igiri tu igaye indo ciothe cia ithe. Akorwo ni ciana cia airitu-ri ona akorwo ni ahikirio-ri, ahikirio ni mundu muthini. Egutura e muthini ona ahota gukorwo e ngombo ya muru wa nyina na ithe ari mutongu. Uguo uhoro ucio naguo ndukae kurekererio o uguo niurorwo wega.
Njoke kuri githurano: Ngurikia ino ya githurano. Thiini wa bururi witu thina uria ukoretwo kuo ni tondu nii nyonaga o mbunge igithurwo no ndiri ndona thirikari igithurwo giti giki kia mundu uria munene muno niwe President. Gugagituika nioima giti-ini ni getha akeyethere kura na nigetha acoke wabici. Kugie na kahinda. Kahinda gaka karetwo ni ga campaign-ri, eke campaign atari giti-ini. Na nigetha thutha wa githurano giekwo ati-ri, okorwo ni mweri mugima-ri, gutuike niahota kana ndanahota. Hindi io norio tungigia na uhoro wa fair election na tuone mundu uria mwagiriru wagukorwo ati niathuritwo. Tondu nindakihurirwo ngengere nyuma na point imwe no ndikiuma ndimirikie.
Njera citu – Njera yagiriirwo ni gutua mundu mwegega no ti mundu muru muno makiria. Rimwe nindahamire ngithie njera no ndambire guthii rumande. No undu uria wamakirie ni ati nii ndonire undu itari ndona. Kuu njera ukiingira, ati urute nguo ciothe uingire uria waciarirwo. Kuu nikwagithia mundu gitio. Onawe nguo ciaku no igikwo birigicenii ukinengeretwo nguo iria ciao. No riu mundu njera akoragwo nita nyamu ya githaka. Kwagithia mundu gitio. Mundu ucio nake waiguo kuu anga thigari cia njera ikoragwo iri trained cia kuimithia mundu gitio biu. Njera niikorwo niya kuhe mundu gitio nigetha atwike mundu mwega. Oima njera akorwo e mundu mwega gukira uria arari. No riu andu aingi ona ni uru muno guthii njera tondu ukuma wi muici, wi mutunyani, wi mundu mwaganu na maundu macio ubundithiirio kuu. Na ndina macio manini ndoiga ni wega ni undu wa maundu macio.
Francis: Ha ritwa njitagwo Francis Munyua wa Kibuku. Ngwamba kwaririria uhoro wigii wathani. Wakwa ni undu wigii President. President niagiriirwo gukorwo akiimwo hinya gukorwo ena mahinya mangi maingi muno tondu mahinya maria President uria wi Kenya ahetwo ni kuumiza muraiya. Tondu President ta uria wi Kenya kinya kiosk nioi uria kirutagwo wira. O uria utamubataritie. Kuoguo President ninguga aninuo hinya. Ngiehera mwena wa President nguthii nyihitie ndiroka handu he 60
kindu gitagwo Criminal Act kana kindu gitagwo death penalty. Kuraga mundu tikuo solution. Mundu kana niekite tondu mundu angikiuraga mundu ucoke nawe uke umurage ni 0-0. Ndinaguteithia. Kuoguo nii nguga sheria iria iguthondekwo mundu akorwo niathitwo ni death penalty, atige gutuirwo kuragwo ohwo ihinda inene tumwike rehabilitation, tumuthondeke mitugo, tumuthondeke agire nigetha atige gucoka kuna sheria. No kuraga mundu na nioragire ungi ni ithui twetwara hathara maita meri. Kuoguo nii ngugaga death penalty yagiriirwo ni kweherio.
Kindu gia keri, angikorwo kwina cira wa death penalty uracirwo thii-ini wa magoti maitu ma Kenya, mundu wititwo kuma chief magistrate gucoka na thi, ndagacire. Tondu andu aingi aria twi nao riu mandikitwo ni andu aria maroima university, mundu utari na experience, agathii agacira cira na agacondem mundu. Wacoka guthii proceding iria mundu uria aruikite condemned ugakora ina eras. Miscontradictions. Ugakora mundu ucio oragitwo ni kindu hatari agacoka agathii akarekio ni igoti ria iguru, arekio akerwo ni majudge he is not guilty. Na thirikari ya Kenya ndiramuhe compensation ona imwe. Kuoguo niingiahoya sheria iria iguthondekwo, angikorwo mundu niatuirwo guthii njera, na ohuo acoka eka appeal arekio ni igoti na atuika ti guilty agekwo compensation ni thirikari, akarihuo. Nigetha thirikari nayo iturwo ni mbeca, ihote gucira macira ina ruo. Kindu gia keri, ni kindu kiretwo economical sabotage. Twina aici aingi muno aria mareita ni athomu. Murimi aratura mugunda na thururu. Indi ici twamatwarira tugakora andu angi magathondeka maratathi ageka sabotage io ikaneneha kinya igatuika country wide. Muraiya wothe wa bururi mugima, ngigura cukari ciringi 50 ona uria wi Molo aragura 50 wa Wajir aragura 50. Tondu economy ni ithukire. Nii ngugaga atiriri, sheria iria turathondeka-ri ikorwo kwina sheria iretwo economical sabotage ikorwo iri crime. Na mundu uria wanyitikana na hatia-ri, akohwo kuma maisha kana miaka 10. Na indo ciake iria aiyite raiya-ri, ikanyitwo ni thirikari ikaauctionwo akariha indo iria cia raiya aiyite. Sabotage io agakorwo niamicover tondu tutungitura turutagira andu wira na mundu ucio aturaga athiaga na ngari nene no we uturaga na kabuti na gukira utuku.
Njoke njuge he kindu kingi kiretwo igoti. Igoti riria ri Kenya ino turaruta-ri, ni ria utunyani. Tondu we uturaga urihaga VAT, ugithii kugura cukari niurarira. Service charge na service niurariha gutiri service uheaguo. Nii ngugaga atiriri, magoti maya sheria iria tuguthondeka-ri, tumanine. Tucoke igoti riria riari ria wamundara. Turihio mundu ciringi 50 ta Uganda. Ungithie Uganda kwi igoti ritagwo mucoro. Mundu arihaga ciringi 1,000 ugatura ururaga town gutiri muthigari ugakurugamia. Gukira uici uyu turaiywo tunini, tunini. Nitutuirwo mundu ciringi 100, 200 kana 300. Tukaheo kandi ya igoti ta uria igoti ria Kenyatta riaturaga hindi ya mundara na mbeca hindi io twathiaga barabara njega, mai nitwanyuaga kinya nitwakiirwo matangi guku na athuri marihaga ciringi 10, 8. No riu turariha igoti, ukigura cukari ni urihire igoti, thuruari ya thiini ni urihire igoti, ndunyu niurihire igoti na barabara no marima. Kuoguo-ri, niturihe igoti no tutikarihe magoti atiriri ta maria marekirwo ma toll station. Magakorwo mekiritwo me thiini makienda gusabotage thirikari kuria mbeca. White elephant igathondekwo, nyamu irathondekwo ati gicira gia kurhe mbeca no account itithondekwo ati gicira gia kurehe mbeca no account itironeka. Kwoguo-ri, nii ngugaga turihe magoti ma yearly no tweherie magoti ma VAT, service charge tondu kuri andu angi matakiguraga indo no ungikiriha igoti-ri, mbeca icio niikuoneka ciri ciothe.
Wa keri foreigners matikaheo licence ya exports na import licence. Import licence iheo mukenya tiga citizen wa kwandikwo. 61
Tuingire mwena wa borithi. He kindu ngwenda sheria io gugithondeka, he kindu gwenda icenjio itagwo judges rule. Judges rule no. 8 no hoe tugithondeka sheria icenjio. Gitumi, he nyamu itagwo confession statement nicio iturite cihuritie andu njera tondu cioyaguo after torture ni borithi. Muthuri arathii haria akorio niutemire muti forest? Aca. Ndwitikire ni utemire muti forest. Ni undu wa kuhurwo akoiga nindetikira. Athii kuria agathomerwo agetikira. Confession icio nguga atiriri, yandikagwo ni judge kundu mundu ataratorcwo, kundu mundu atararacimicwa kuga undu. Kwoguo confession statement uria uratuika uthii umirege etuike extracted statement, ukiungira thiini wa nyamu itagwo trial within trial. Mundu ucio ndoi sheria. Na riu tondu muthuri ndoi sheria-ri, akerwo rehe kandi ya thibitari niwahurirwo. Hindi io wari borithi thiini. No uge witware thibitari wi borithi? Ndungiteithika. Ugatuika statement ni yaku.
Kuoguo-ri ndiroiga juges rule no 8 icenjio, ikoragwo statement
ndirandikwo ni officer wa borithi. Ikandikoguo in front of a magistrate nigetha igakoragwo ni ya ma.
He kindu kingi kiretwo section 296/2 na section 296/1. Nacio section icio igiri ni ici cia capital offence. Mundu uria uratua gucirithio mukenyari, gutiri mundu uthomithagio sheria thukuru thiini wa bururi wa Kenya. Kuoguo ona mundu anginyitwo na guku mutitu-ri, arathii akerwo niwathitangwo na 296/2 ndoi ni ndu io. Andu angi athiaga igoti-ini agetikira. Thiini wa sheria inori, niiyuritie andu unjera na niyo irathukia bururi tondu ungitara mundu umwe mwaka mugima na araria makiria ya 100,000 na muroiga mutiri kiria. Kuoguo-ri, mundu uyu agicira akaheo kindu gitangwo commital buddle kuma kwa Attorney General kana akaheo wakiri.
Kuma hau hena sheria ya itonga. He sheria irathondekirwo iratuika hindi ya cira wa KACA. Iretwo 108 ya constitution. Iroiga atiriri, muthigari ndagiriire gukorwo agithitanga any criminal tondu ni gitonga kinyitirwo. No kuma 63-ri, thigari ituraga ithitangaga aya. No riu tondu gitonga nikanyitwo-ri, gikahumburia sheria iria thike, akoiga sheria ya Kenya 108 iroiga ati muthigari ndagiriirwo guthitanga criminal no niagiriirwo kurora indo cia muraiya.
Kwoguo-ri sheria io ya 108 ya
constitutional-ri, nikwenda kurorwo. Na okorwo ni muthigari-ri, oimwo uhoti ucio na uneo Attorney General. Ugithitangwo ukaheo commital bundle ugathiaga mathitanga maku. Tondu uroka ukarutirwo uira ni muthigari, na niwe uturaga na commital bundle agoka akongerera maundu make ma nduma. Kuoguo-ri, ugathiaga gucira wina cira waku commital bundle ya kuma kwa Attorney General. Any criminal case, especially capital offence mundu agaciraga ari na commital bundle – a murder, na akaheo wakiri tondu ti muthomu sheria.
Hari nyamu ingi i haha. Atumia nio maraciara na nio maiyuritie andu njera. Kuoguo-ri, atumia matige gukorwo magicira cira wa capital offences. Tondu ungithikirira Kenya, mutumia uria uraganaga ni umwe kuri igana thiini wa mwaka.
No arume
moraganaga 85% thiini wa mwaka. No ungituika uguthii ucirithio ni mutumia nawe wi mundurume uthire ringi mwahitania na mutumia kirabu wamugutha cuba, bitterness io akamicokia no muhaka ndangimuhe justice. Kuoguo-ri cira wa kindu ta murder, robbery, hanging act ukanengerwo mundurume na especially qualified judge but not magistrate. Na angiuga cira ucirwo ni magistrate ucirwo ni chief magistrate tondu mutumia ni mundu wa kuiga marakara. Urathii agagucirithia akaririkana uria ekirwo ni murume. Agoka agakurehera githina kiu igoti-ini. Kuoguo-ri, nii nguga atiriri capital offence ndigacirwo ni mutumia tondu matiraheana justice. Na ndina record na riu no ndute record cia majudge ta andu 400 ndiramenya moragitwo ni atumia. Twina 62
mutumia umwe witagwo Lydia Chonde – Mombasa, Manyasi – Malindi, twina ungi wi Kibera egwitwo Miss Mugo, Waruguru. Atumia ta acio ungirora ni andu brutal ona Wangu wa Makeri githi mutiui ari ho?
Wa muico-ri ngiariai, ngwaria uhoro wa human rights. Human right ni magiriirwo gukorwo magitembelea njera ciothe nigetha mone condition ya njera tondu andu aria aingi ni marakua nigukorwo uuma wa binadamu ndurarorwo.
Ya muico ni atiriri, mundu wothe wi njerari ni Kenyan citizen na niagiriirwo ni guikia kura ta South Africa. Mfungwa wothe-ri ena haki yake tondu ndegutura njera na niagakora thirikari. Na ekuria ti muguruki. Na ahote kuvote na athure thirikari iria yagiriire. Kwoguo niturenda mugithondeka sheria ino-ri, itikirie mundu wothe wi njera nake guikia kura agatwarirwo ithanduku agathura mundu kuringana ni democracy. Ngukinyia hau ni wega.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. It is the turn of Isaac Wanjau.
Rev. Wanjahi: Nii ngwaria maundu matari maingi, maundu 5. Ngwaria points 5 kuoguo ndigucokera muno makiria. Mbere ngwenda kwaria uhoro wa parties cia opposition ni tondu wa kindu gigwituo reluctance ya ruling party iria turi nayo kwaga kuaccept the multi party democracy ta the year 1991 hindi iria delegates 3000 a KANU mathiire thiini wa Kasarani na makiruta 2A section ya Katiba itu na gukigia na room ya kindu gigwitwo multi party democracy iria turamenya yari kuo na igicoka ikihitukio ikieherio. Parliament thutha wa gucemania thutha wa wiki magikira maundu maria magiriire na kuma December 1991 Ford ikiregistwo.
Com. Kabira: Ngwiciria ugwika uguoi, utuhe recommendation clearly tondu twina andu aingi muno. So that we shorten utuhe recommendation.
Rev. Wanjau: That is what I am arriving. So, reluctance iria ngugaga ya ruling party kwaga ku-accept multiparty democracy in view ya maundu maria ngwendaga kugweta ni provincial administration igakorwo ikihuthirwo ni thirikari na machinery ya kumapopularize na he maundu maigana una. 1.
Recommendation iria ndiri nayo wa mbere ni ati gutigakoragwo kwina zone ya kiama fulani na kiama kiria kingi
gigatwika outlawed kuo na ti undu wa Katiba ni undu wa mundu. 2. Kindu gigwitwo Constitution iria tukwandika iria igukorwo i kuo I-admonish provincial administrators ma-exercise equality thiini wa service yao na matige kuharass andu na andu may be ni kindu gigwitwo party affliation.
Undu uria ungi ni kindu gigwitwo coverage.
Kugie na coverage njiganu ya broadcasting cooperation iria ingikorwo
irugamiriirwo ni tax payers money. Uhoro uria ungi ni gukorwo gugiparticipatwo kwa provincial administration during the grassroot makorwo mena kindu gigwitwo guthomithia muingi, andu aria matoi uhoro wa democracy na maundu macio mangi. Io yuma point ya mbere. 63
2. Undu uria ungi, President niagaga kuheo gitio ni undu wa gutuika ni leader wa party fulani. Ingirecommend kugie na Prime Minister. Prime Minister akorwo athuritwo ari mutongoria wa kiama kiria kina andu aingi parliament no President akorwo e ceremonial na a-act ta unifying factor thiini wa bururi wothe. Kuoguo aheo gitio na aheo gitio ndagatongorie kiama uguo uhoro wa partisan ukorwo utari ho. Na thiini wa Katiba iria tugukorwo turi nayo tugie na clause yugite the President is not above the law.
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Referendum – Thiini wa 1970 October nituthomaga tukaigua ati ni kwari na kindu
gigwitwo uhoro wa kugarura Katiba na 1982 gukigia na uhoro wa ugaruruku wa Katiba, in 45 minutes gukigarurwo Katiba iki-review na gukoongererwo uhoro wa kugia na one party. Sure enough history niratuonia ati 1982 constitution ammendment ndiari njega na ndiagiriire. Nikwagiriirwo na gukorwo na kindu gigwitwo referendum. Kenya ni democratic state iria tugaga ati democracy ikirwo ati ni the rule of the people by the people for the people. Owing to the fact that andu othe matingihota guthii mbunge nitukwenda kugie na kindu gigwituo referendum hindi iria turagia na major change thiini wa Constitution kana hindi iria kwina decision major irenda ku-makwo thiini wa bururi kana thiini wa uturo kana Katiba ikigarurwo.
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Santify of human life – Niturathoma magathiti-ini tukaigua tukagia na great concern
ya andu makiuragwo, niturathoma uhoro wa robery with violence, killing of innocent people, car jacking, rape na nitungienda Katiba iria iguthondekwo gugie na kindu gigwitwo kuhe gitio uturo wa mundu. Kana ni criminal niatwarwo aheo trial iria imwagiriire. Undu uria ungi ni violation of human rights ati tutiri thiini wa emergency ati muthigari niekuraga mundu ati tondu niamukora ati tondu niehitie. No muhaka a trial.
5. Final point, ni kindu gigwitwo rights cia arimi ndiagiriirwo ni kuninwo. Tondu turi na na arimi nio aingi thiini wa Kenya na nimaracontribute to the economy ya bururi kuoguo-ri, nimagiriirwo ni ku-guadwo ni constitution. Ni uhoro wa cheap importation na hindi iria irio cikuihura guku murimi niegutuika frustrated ni tondu ageria kwendia indo ciake iria ciumite nanja igoti riacio ti inene cigakorwo ciina raithi. Na Constitution niyagiriirwo ni ku-out law importation ya such commodities nigetha murimi atuike murimi wina wiyathi wa kwendia indo ciake kuria ekwenda. Ti eragwo uria ekugurirwo to uria twiragwo uria ukugurirwo. Na uhoro ucio ugukorwo wiwa betterment ya economy itu ta uhoro ucio wa murimi. Na nitui uhoro wa kindu gigwitwo ati kwina thina wa global economy no ona ithui turi na kuria turi na thina wakuo. Hena mundu witirwo haha etwo middle man. Middle man niwe urehete thina muno makiria. Na nikio turerwo murimi akuria kindu ndareka kumuria uria arendia aroka kuria muragura atia? Thank you very much.
David: Njitagwo David Wambugu na nguthii na ihenya tondu indo nyingi iria ngwandikite haha niingwetetwo. Wa mbere ngwambiriria chapter one ya Constitution iria twinayo. Chapter 1 – Republic of Kenya is run by Constitution. This is a very important document iria ikwenda gucenjio handu ha Katiba ika-amendwo na 25% of the members in the house. Na before 64
ituike amended kugie na referendum andu makaheana views igacoka yathii in the house igacenjio. Katiba ta ringi thiini wa schools ithomithagio. Ingienda Katiba ithomithio all classes yambiririe form 1 ithii igithomithagio chapter 1, chapter 2 uguo nigetha tukamenya uhoro wa Katiba tondu andu aingi matiui uhoro wa Katiba.
Thii no. 2 –Chapter 2. Na kungihoteka andu ta assistant chief na DC na DO na chief magatuika elected by the people handu ha kuappointwo ni Public Service Commission. Then chapter 3 ya Constitution yagiriirwo ni gukorwo na Upper House na Lower House na andu aria meguthii kuo those houses makorwo mena a record of responsibilities. Nigetha makorwo makiunderstand maundu maria marathii kuu thiini wa Parliament. Na ningugite in the Parliament gukorwo na 2 houses Upeer House na Lower House. Na Parliament ikorwo I independent body tondu matihotaga gwika maundu ni gwitigira Executive.
In case of citizenship, ingiuria gutuike atiriri, mundu agituika citizen wa Kenya tondu ni by birth, no hari andu mahinyiriirio ta atumia. Mutumia angigurwo ni muthuri wa kuma America muthuri ucio ndangituika citizen wa Kenya. Mutumia angigurwo ni muthuri wa America, muthuri ucio ndagiriirwo gutuika citizen wa Kenya. Tukwenda watho uthondekwo nigetha mutumia agurwo ni muaustraria kana muchinese kana nuu, acio eri magatuika automatic citizens.
Chapter 7 – Finance – Handu haha niho hena corruption iria nyingi. Andu aingi nimararuta wira mwega no, Auditor General aruta wira mwega undu ucio upuuzagwo oo uguo ingiuga andu aria megukorwo in-charge haha magatwarwo igotini na makamakwo to pay for those things. Then Public Service niyo ikuite police, armed forces, prison whatever. Kundu guku andu makandikagwo na merit, no ti because of who knows who but the person who has education. Ni getha akorwo ni minister wa health agathuragwo mundu uria uthomete that field, no ti kwandikwo anybody. Gwathuranwo President agakorwo na 51% na ti 25% in the constituency na Electral Commission ikorwo ii independent andu magacaguragwo ni ciama kana andu nigetha magakorwo mategwitigira kundu kungi. Registration of voters ikorwo i continuous na akorwo nita Vice President agacagurwo ni andu na voting ituike computerised ni undu wa kuavoid rigging. Lastly let the country honour its heroes. Thank you.
Kimani: Njitagwo Kimani na ndi murimi. Wa mbere nii ngwenda kuga uhoro wa urimi. Indo citu twarima andu angi nio maroiga mathogora maria mekugura kuoguo ingienda Constitution io iguthondekwo, ciama cia arimi iheo hinya kwambiriria kiria kinini kinya kiria kinene ati niikuhota gwithondekera mathogora macio, ma indo ciao. Undu uria ungi naguo thirikari indo iria murimi atumagira tondu urimi turakirwo niguo munene Kenya iguithaguithio thogora kana thirikari isubsidize indo icio nigetha indo citu itige kugia iguru muno tondu nokio kiragiria tuhote gucompete na thi iria ingi gugatuika economy ikorwo ii free tondu indo citu niigiire goro muno. Undu uria ungi ona thirikari iitu kana Constitution iria iguthondekwo riu, tumenyerere ati nituri na andu aiganu guku kuoguori tutige gucoka kuimport indo, tuimport technology iria ithondekaga indo icio nigetha riri, andu aituri twathondeka factory guku-ri makona mawira magithondeka indo icio. Kuoguo tugatiga kuimport fertilizer tukaimport kiria kingi tuimport technology tuthondeke iganda nigetha tuhote guthondekera indo icio guku nigetha andu aitu mone mawira. 65
Undu uria ungi uhoro wa kugia na migunda. Nitwagiriire migunda igie na limit. Ti mundu umwe agiage na Kenya yothe aria angi matari. No ningi hau he kindu ndirenda gucoka njuge. Ithui ta andu a Kenya nitwagiriire riu kahinda gaka na nonyende Constitution iria iguka iaddress kaundu kau, tumenyithio wega ati ti mundu wothe ungigia mugunda tondu twathii hau tuge mundu wothe agie mugunda, nitukuhuta na bururi niguthina. Tondu kamugunda karia gakwa nika ika 5, ndina ihii 5 o mundu acre imwe, imwe. Mwana ucio nake ekugaya ki? Kamugunda kau no gaturangirwo kinya muco kabitha ti economical, gatigakorwo gakiuma kindu. Kuoguo nii ngugaga atiriri, Constitution ino turathondeka ikire watho ati mugunda ndukagayanio nginya tucunji tutangitumirika wega nigetha mugunda ume irio. Kurorwo gicunji kiria kingigaika na kuringana na indo iria ikuragio bururi ucio. Nituge akorwo ni gwa kahua, macani tondu kundu kumwe-ri itingiiganana tondu mundu wa kuriithia ng’ombe cia nyama ndungimwira akariithie acre-ini 5. Ucio arenda nyingaingi. Kuoguo Katiba iria iguthondekwo, ithondekwo migunda igayanio kuringana na uria production ihiana na tucoke na ithui tumenye atiriri ti ithuothe tungigia migunda.
Uhoro wa kugaya migunda tondu niguo urarehe migunda io kugayanio kinya gagathira. Nii ingerecommend mugunda ucio niugaywo ni mundu uria ukuhota guthii na mbere gwika uria mugunda ucio urekagwo. Ndiroiga atiriri, okorwo mugunda uyu ni wa ng’ombe cia iria-ri, mwana uria urenda uhoro ucio wa iria-ri agairwo mugunda ucio. Mugunda ucio ungi niwikwo value acio angi-ri, nimaheo mbia. Thirikari ni isubsidise maheo mbia ni athii akahure mbiacara nigetha uyu uriithagia akaruta iria-ri, iria riri ritikage kwaga. Uria uhandaga ngano, ngano ndikage kuma tondu ni twagaya kanyamu kau kanyiha. Mugunda ucio ugaywo ni mundu uria uguthii na mbere kuruta wira uria urarutagwo mugunda ucio. Acio angi, ringi nii ndirenda gutangana na tiri, nii nindihwo mbia ciakwa iria itgaire hau thii kuria ndirenda guthii. Na hau ngoiga atiriri ciana ciothe niiconsidwo. Tutigatuike no imwana, aca. Ciana cia mucii ucio okorwo kamugunda kau koima acre 10 nikarorwo value yako aria meguthiaga nakuu nimathii aria angi meke ati.
Uhoro uria ungi ni twari na uhoro wa financing bodies iria ciarutagira farmers mawira makumahe loans. Nyamu icio niciathirire. Nii ingiuga haha iriukio na itigithanio na uteti tondu uteti niguo uracithukia nigetha arimi mahote gwika ati. Uhoro uria undi ni ati korwo thirikari kana Katiba itu no ithondeke wega kugayanio. Okorwo ni kuria gukuraga ngano, andu makurie ngano biu. Aria mariithagia ng’ombe cia iria, mariithie ng’ombe cia iria nandagatukanie na tutume. Kuria ng’ombe cia nyama ikuraga, ikure nigetha nii ndiithagia ng’ombe cia iria, ndaruta iria, ndarihwo mbia ngathii kugura mbembe. Nake uria uhandaga mbembe, ona mbia cia mbembe akanyuaga iria riakwa. Na hau notuteithike nigetha tugatiga guproduce kindu kimwe tondu thina wa andu a Kenya ni atiriri, maigua mbembe nicio cina bata kinya kuria gutakuraga mbembe ta Kinangop, magakuria. Riu ugicoka guthikiriria mbembe itiri na mbei ningi. Riu kuoguo korwo twagayanirio hau ni wega muno.
Uhoro wa Parliament representation niikugitwo. Reke twikage ati na population not areas. Excuse me ke ndinie haha hanini. Hari uhoro wa githomo, nii ndina woni different. Nii ndiroiga githomo gia primary na secondary, thirikari isubsidise na stationery na arimu. No githomo kia university na colleges gikorwo ki free tondu kuu nikuo uhoro ukomete. Turenda guteithio haria hahuthu kuria kuritu ciana cia athini ndukona Ksh. 200,000 macio marendwo kuu. No haha tungisubsidicirwo githomo gia 66
primary na secondary-ri, stationery and teachers kanyamu karia kangi gegutigara no tuteithanie gicagi-ini muthini ucio utarona. No kuria kuritu-ri, ciana citu ihote guthoma githomo kiu tondu nikio kina bata thiku ici.
Uhoro uria ungi niwa andu aria angi mena tubiacara tunini ta tukiosk. Tubiacara tuu turutaga wira mwega muno wa kwandika andu notutimenyagirirwo ta kiosk. Nitukaga tukabunjwo, riria ringi tugekwo atia, andu aria aingi mekwandikitwo ni tunyamu tuu-ri magatuika jobless. Tubiacara tuu tunini ngwendaga turorwo ni Katiba iria ino tondu nituo turacratira andu aitu mawira. Na ngirikiriria mbia citu, niturathii hathara muno na gutinda tugikira mbica cia andu. Nitwikire mbica cia the founder of the nation kana uhoro ucio uthire tuikare uguo, mbia icio tutiicenjagia maingi maingi na ucio niwatuma. Muico project cia thirikari ni itigithanio na politics, tondu niukuona kindu kingioneire thirikari mbia gitirona ta thitima ikoima haha igathii nginya tonde yathii kwa mundu munene no andu aria me guku na nimoima na uhoti wa kuriha makaga kuheo ni undu wa politics. Kuoguo-ri, indo icio ingitigithanio igayanwo economically according to what it could have done no ikorwo I njega muno. Na ngwiciria ngukinyia hau.
Mr. Kamau: Niwega muno ni undu wa ihinda riri. Nii ndiri na maundu maingi ona gutuika maundu maria ngwendaga kwaria ni marie no nigwendaga kwaria uhoro wa mabarabara maitu. Mabarabara maitu nimatuikire ta kundu gwakuragira andu niundu wa uria bara ciathukire ikiaga guthondekwo na makiria ni undu wa ngari kuhanyukania niundu wa gwikira okorwo ni ta matatu uguo nitwekirire mathiri maneene maria ringi mundu atarahota kuriha na nigetha ahote kuriha thiri ucio no ahanyukire agakora bara ti njega. Nii ngona korwo bara citu no ithondekwo accidents no inyihe niundu wa mabarabara maitu handu ha tutinde tukigira indo cia kuma nanja cia guka guthondeka mitoka, indo icio igathondeka mabarabara maitu.
Maundu maria maturigiciirie akorwo nita tourism, angikorwo kuri na igoti rirarihwo, andu aria marigiciirio ni maundu macio magathondekerwo indo iria ii hakuhi nao mabarabara, mathibitari ona macukuru.
President nake niagiriirwo gukorwo atari na watho munene na nigetha agakorwo tiwe uroiga maundu mothe. Ninguririkana kiumia giki giothe President witu ndakoretwo ari kuo na niarageririe kuhanyuka muno nigetha oke ahingure mucemanio kana mathako me Nairobi, na ona atanogokete handu ha guthii kuhuruka arathii maoccasion na Vice President e guku. Oguo korwo Vice President nake aheo occasions ciagwikaga ni kuri bata. Ni nguririkana hindi ingi President nieriga guthii kuhingura kioro kia Eastleigh sewage na maundu ta macio nima andu aria me town-ini ta mayor, ta chairman na maundu mangi ta macio. Uguo President witu agie na maundu magwikaga maundu ma bata na nigetha onake athire na maundu araheo gitio. President hindi ingi nitwiriga kuigua nikuri na uhoi wa ngoma gugithurwo mundu wa gutuiria na mahinda ma muico biu President witu oigire, “uhoro wa uhoi wina wiyathi kuoguo mundu no ahoe kuria angihoera”.
Ugurio-ri angikorwo niwe wathura Commission na acoka aminina na kiundu gitanahota gutuirika na kiundu gitanoneka kiarikirira ku-ri, nikuri bata uhoi onaguo urumirirwo nitondu ona no kunina andu hinya no kuingiria ona ciana citu ona mitego-ini ya uhoi ucio wa ngoma tondu angikorwo mundu o wothe ena wiyathi wa kuhoya-ri, githi to akihoe kuria angihoya? Uguo 67
nihekwenda onaho harorwo. Ihinda riri nikuri na mitino miingi muno, nikuri na andu aingi muno marakua ciana igatigwo. Ndigwiciria kuri itura ritari mwana mutige ni undu wa ikuu ici iroka cia murimu wa Aids. Ciana icio niiratiganirio na tukirora ciana icio ni cia bururi. Murimu ucio tukiigua wathondekirwo na ugi uria turoiga o wa githomo na riu-ri ciana icio cigacoka cigatiganirio cikaga mwene wa gucirora na nikio urona cungurira nikio urona ciana citari na mwene na ukona no maringirira unyui-ini wa bangi, unyui-ini wa njohi nitondu nimagire wa gwika.
Uguo korwo no kuhoteke ciana icio niikwenda
guthondekerwo handu ni thirikari na nigetha mahote guikara nao ta andu a bururi.
Ngirikiriria githomo nakio nitwagiriirwo nakio githomwo githomo gia tuhu nitondu nakio kiu nikirahinyiriria andu na kwanza ona aria marathurwo macukuru magakorwo mena thina. Rimwe President akoiga nigiatuhu ndararehe indo uguo nigikwenda kurorwo.
Ngirikiriria biu, ke tuge kundu guothe thiini wa bururi akorwo ikunia rimwe ria mbembe riumaga ciringi 600. Wathii kugura mbegu ukagura, ungigura mbegu equivalent na mbembe cia ikunia rimwe ukugura ta ciringi 9,000. Icio ni mbegu no iria cia guthii kuriyo urendia na ciringi 600. Riu mundu nigetha mbegu ikorwo ina quality no mbegu ikorirwo ii raithi gukira irio iria irathii kurio. Nitondu angikorwo mbegu nicio ikuma goro muno-ri, mundu niegukurania. Handu ha gukorwo akiendia irio cia kurio kana irio iria fresh-ri, akona wega ni endie mbegu tondu niyo ina goro. Na ukona akorwo turenderio mbembe, tukenderio mbembe thi nitondu mbembe io ina goro gukira uria ungiendirie ii fresh. Ngwiciria ngukinyia hau ni wega muno.
Com. Kabira: Ni thengiu muno Mr. Kamau. Zacharia.
Zacharia: Mbere andu ni kwamba kumenyana. Ninjiguire witagwo Prof. Kabira na nii nindakigweta ndita Zacharia Kiratu na in the first place I take this opportunity to extend my admiration to you as an individual and a few other commissioners. And I would take this opportunity again to send a message to the commissioners to all commisioners through you because there is infighting which is making us lose some confidence with the commissioners. In the first place, all Kenyans had a lot of confidence with the Constitution Review Committee and seeing that now you people have internal fighting is putting us years back before the commissioners. Therefore this is a message I would like you to take to the commissioners and let them know how to handle these affairs without we people knowing what is happening there because every Kenyan has total confidence and this is what is very important.
Secondly, I would like to take this opportunity again to say that this Constitution is a very vital document which should not be considered for coming general elections. It should be taken seriously that is a document that is going to affect offsprings that will come 20 years to come and therefore I personally do not see the reason why we should take this document because the elections are just near the door. It is a document and therefore for this reason I would personally take this time to ask that this should be delinked. Elections and Constitution should be totally separated because it is a very vital document and that is what I 68
find very important. Let me now come to the points that I have and present them. The present Constitution
Com. Kabira: Sorry, I have heard your message. (inaudible communication from the public)
Public: Aria na Gikuyu. Tutikwenda Githungu aria na Gikuyu.
Zacharia: Message ino ngwendaga gutwarira commissioner nigetha atwarire andu acio angi. Ningwihoka nindoiga uria ngwendaga kuga na ningwihoka niaigua na nianyita uria ngwendaga kuga.
Mbere ngwendaga kuga atiriri, Constitution iria twinayo, niithukitio muno ni andu aria makoretwo me ho na Constitution ona ino iho ti ati yari njuru. Mbere ningwendaga kwamba kuga hari undu ngwiraguo ni gikuyu ati mwaniki wa mwatu ambaga kwiyanika wee mwene. Uria ingiuria commissioner ni ati Constitution iria iguthondekwo ikorwo ni constitution igukorwo within itself iprotectite ta uria mundu umwe aririe ati ndirituikaga kindu gia kuhutangio o kahinda karia yecirio ni undu wa guteithirira interest ya individual. Such being a case way back in 1975 or 1974.
Comm. Wanjiku: Just tell us recommendations.
Zacharia: My recommendation is that Constitution iria iguthondekwo, ithondekwo nyamu itegutuika tampered with now and again. Constitution iria iguthondekwo ithondekwo undu Parliament irikoragwo kuu ndikuga uhoro wa thiku 4, nii nguga ikoragwo kuo fulltime, Monday – Friday nigetha andu aya makoragwo mundu akigia na kahinda. Na parliamentarians aya megukorwo mekuo, makoragwo andu megutuika accountable to the public. Uguo angorwo mundu ena mawira meri a choose gutuika parliamentarian kana thii na mbere na businesses ciake. Uguo ndirenda kuga atiriri, mundu ucio akorwo ni MP acagurwo e MP akorwo amenyekanite mawira maria mangi enamo nongorwo ena maundu mangi tondu undu ucio niguo uthukitie thiini wa Parliament iria twinayo, ongorwo ena mawira mangi, akaresign honourably agathii kuruta mawira make. Undu uria ungi ni at onongorwo ni President ndagakorwo e na business. Maundu macio mothe meherio. Thiini wa Constitution iria iguka 3 enemies ituike igituika addressed. That is education, poverty and health ikorwo ikiheo utmost care thiini wa the coming Constitution. The next Parliament ikorwo I committed to its work. Undu uria ungi leadership iria, ninyuma na tuundu tunini ingiarikia natuo. Leadership ikorwo ii kindu disciplined. Tondu kiria kirathukia muno thiini wa utongoria witu ni lack of discipline within the leadership. Undu ucio niguo uthukitie muno. Thank you very much.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Ucio auma Zacharia. Tuigue Karanu. Mr. Karanu you have three minutes.
Karanu: Ni ngatho ngucokia gwi Commission ni undu wa gutukuhiriria nigetha tuheane mawoni maitu tugiciria uria tungithondeka Katiba iria tungienda gukorwo tukimenya uria tuguthii na mbere na uria tungienda gutongorio na nigetha bururi witu wagirire. Wa mbere ndimugeithie inyuothe. Nii maundu maria ndinamo nitondu nindarutirwo ni mwarimu umwe, undu uria 69
ngwendaga kugweta ungigwetwo ndungitinda ugicokera nitondu mawoni maria nyuma namo nimarikitie kugwetwo ni andu aingi no tiga maundu meri tu ingigweta. Wa mbere uhoro wa President ninjiguaga uhinyiriirie muno riria njiguaga ati kwi mundu ungikorwo ari above the law. Ucio ninguiguaga ati ndingiaga guka haha na njuge ati nii ndingienda President urithiaga igoti-ini ihinda riria ehia. Undu uria ungi ni ucio uhuro wa uhoi wa ngoma. Uhoi wa ngoma niutuhinyiriirie thiini wa bururi uyu muno nitondu nigwathondeketwo Commission na President ota uria hagwetirwo ni mundu ungi, arikia guthura Commission ya gutuiria maundu macio ma uhoi wa ngoma ikaend na kwaga anja njiganiru. Ingienda nii uhoro wa kuhoya kuhoyagwo Ngai na ikorwo i full stop. Thiini wa Katiba iria tuguthondeka kuhoyagwo Ngai.
Ngirikia tondu ndikwenda guthii na mbere muuno, he uhoro wa githomo. Githomo nigituhinyiriirie muno ni undu wa aciari na inyui nimugwitikania nanii, no riu ni tuthondeke Katiba iria ikunyita githomo ki free education kuma standard 1 kinya std. 7 kana 8 na iprovide text books nigetha macenjia syllabus o o makahota kurehe mabuku thiini wa cukuru aciari makaga kugura mbuku. Uguo murigo wa githomo-ri kuma std. 1 kinya 8 utigirwo thirikari. Uhoro wa teachers na books. Uguo muciari ehererio uhoro ucio. Uhoro ucio ugakoragwo wiwa thirikari. Githomo kiu kingi no tuthii na mbere nakio na njira iria ciagiriire. Ndiri na maundu maingi ngugweta tiga ati niungiandeka commisioner ndikiririe na uhoro wa mai. Mai ni kindu kiega muno tondu mai ni uturo na mai nimo matuteithagia bururi-ini uyu. Nonyende mai makorwo me free thiini wa thirikari-ini. Okorwo ni section iria ciroima mai, andu makorwo magitikiria mai macio kumanyua uria kwagiriire tondu nimugwitikania na nii andu aingi thiini wa South Kinangop ni maruarite typhoid akorwo nita Jabini, ukona ati mai marayuo mega thiini wa Nairobi na maroima Jabini na Jabini town na Jabini area icigiriirio ni secondary schools, cia ciana iraruara typhod mai makinyuo Nairobi mai maria mega. Na mai maria moru manyuagwo thiini wa macukuru maitu. Undu ucio-ri ninguona thirikari irore muno hau na tumenyererwo uhoro ucio wa mai, maheanwo nginya macukuru-ini na maheo andu aria me matura-ini maria magiriire. Thank you very much.
Macharia: Ucio wetwo Macharia ni nii. Ndiri na maundu maingi ngwaria no wa mbere ngwaria undu wigie agricultural sector njuge ati arimi masafeguardwo ni thirikari kana ni Katiba iria tuguthondeka njeru arimi makorwo me safe guarded. Makuria irio ciao magakorwo na gwa kwendia thirikari ikamagurira igacoka kwendia na kuu mbere. No gutigakorwo ati ta riu twakorwo na iria riria twinario tukagaga gwa kwendia na thirikari iri okuo. Kuoguo murimi akoruo e safeguarded indo iria iroima na nja ta iria kana cukari itige guka atangikorwo kwina shortage nene muno itige kurehwo guku kinya iria cina arimi kana cihurite migunda-ini yao ituike cia guthira. Undu uria ungi wigii o murimi, ni policy igii ya irio ibatie kudefinwo wega tondu niugukora ithui twetagirira tukaheo irio hindi iria kwaga irio o riria twina kundu kuingi kwega kungirimika no riu gukaga mai. Twagiriire gukorwo na policy njega ya mai handu ha tuhoyage irio ringi na ringi tukorwo ni technology turahoya ya gwika maundu maria mangi.
Undu uria ungi ingiongerera wa keri ni powers cia President. Ninguona nii ciagiriirwo gutirihwo hanini wa mbere nigetha atuikage accountable kuri andu. Executive President niwe mwega no ningi atirihirwo power. Wa mbere Legislature, Judiciary na Executive. Keri akorwo ni appointment iria akoragwo nacio cia civil servants ta PC, DC na DO cieherio thiini wa wabici yake nake ungi agakorwo e chief wa armed forces no akorwo agitongoria airforce na army no borithi ciothe ciagiriire gukorwo na assistant ministers me independent. Election ya President yagiriire gukorwo I simple majority no haria hategukorwo na 70
simple majority hagagikorwo na githurano gia keri uria ugukorwo ari mbere agagikorwo niwe watuika President.
Undu ucio ungi nguga wigii Constitution. Constitution yagiriire yandikwo na githungu itranslatwo na githweri. Icoke ikorwo ni irathomithanio kuma std. 1 guthii na mbere nigetha o mundu o mundu akorwo oi haki ciake. Undu wigii local authorities ninguona kwagiriire gukorwo Constitution yagiriire kudefend land kana plot iria cii kuo thiini wa council citu nigetha councillors aria mathurwo magatiga guthii kubora kinya tuburi kuria guthikagwo andu magatua ati nimona cieya cia gwaka.
Undu uria ungi wigii Attorney General. Ninguona hena kihoto kia Attorney General ehererio power iria akoragwo enayo ya kuingiria nole proseque thiini wa macira mothe maria makoragwo thiini wa Kenya. Wa muico njuge mwena wigii arimi meteorological department nimatuikite a gututhumbura muno na njira yakuga nigukura mbura nene gukarega kura. Tukahanda irio gugacoka gugakorwo gutiri mbura ta riu twerirwo ni ikura na nigutuhenia.
Njuguna: Uria wa mbere ingiuga ukonii uhoro wa sports. Tungirora situation ya Kenya, turona ati kwina a lot of influence thiini wa sports meaning that turona o thirikari hindi niiraingirira sports hagakorwo mundu ni qualified thiini wa ihenyano ndararekwo athii agatengere kana acompete kindu kiria aqualifiete for. Then ni inguaga irekwo irugamirire kiviake. Akorwo ni funding of it ndigatuike influenced by the government. Ona angorwo iku-fund-wo by the state.
The next concerns about new Constitution. Turona ati thiini wa unemployment kana retrenchment issues ukona mundu ati thirikari iroiga ii kwina retrenchment no ndiroiga benefits cia mundu ucio uratuika retrenched cikunyitwo atia gwa kihinda kiriku na ona akorwo iroiga ni how much urakora mundu a-serve-ite in the civil service may be for over 25 years na arerwo ekuheo benefits cia 40,000. Ukarigwo egwika atia and the current cost of living is very high. Issue io ingi ni public audit. Urakora ndiui kana the current Constitution of Kenya nitukoragwo na public audit teams iria ciagiriirwo ni kuaudit public sectors kana government owned organisations. Riu turerwo ihi, kiganda gia kina ni kiagua kana ni kiahara kira-make loses no tutiramenya nikii gitumi. Reke kugiage na public audit teams iria igukorwo I-empower-two ni parliament kana inominitwo ni parliament na igatuika answerable to the Parliament.
Issue io ingi concerns about the new boundary cia constituency. Irakora o hindi kurerwo ihi, tondu nikuramenyeka ng’ania na ng’ania moimite Rift Valley niguguthondekwo boundaries cia constituency. Na tondu kurarorwo provinces akorwo 25% niguo kurathondekwo those boundaries. Nii ingiuga cieherio na kuremain o iria ciari kuo tene. Kiu kingi gikonie the question, gikonie about homosexuality na lesbianism. Yaani muiritu-ri, about lesbianism. Muiritu-ri thiini wa Constitution nietikiritio gukorwo ndugu na muiritu ungi? Kana mwanake nietikiritio gukorwo ndugu na mwanake uria ungi? Reke Constitution iria tugukorwo nayo yuge is it legalised or not.
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Edward: Njitagwo Edward na ndina kindu kinini haha nitondu nimarie muno na nguthii na ihenya ta uria kwahoteka. Uhoro wa mbere uria ndinaguo ni ati ni githurano kia Rais. Githurano kia Rais nogikorwo ati Rais ndarathurwo na mikoa, 25% io yeherio no. Rais athurwo na uingi wa kura. Na athiite muno akorwo na ibindi igiri thiini wa wathani akorwo ni mundu mwega muno na ndagakorwo ari iguru ria watho – tondu angikorwo ari iguru ria watho nikio turahinyiririka thiini wa bururi. Hau nindoima.
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Ni uhoro wa githomo. Githomo woni wakwa ni ati githomo kuma elimu msingi
Kana primary githomwo tuhu kinya std. 8 na kigerio kia 8 kieherio mekagire kigerio form 4. Na kuma form 4 magathii na mbere gucokio form 6 githomo gia tene ni getha andu makorwo mari ogi magithii universities. Kuma hau ni uhoro wa wandikani wa thirikari. Uhoro wa wandikani wa thirikari – thirikari no twende yandikage mundu kuringana na uria ari na ugi wa wira no ti kuoya mundu na kuu mugunda-ini kana kuria turutirwo akarehwo wira-ini na ndaui. Nikio mawira maitu ma thirikari marathuka muno. Mundu akandikagwo na ugi wake uria ari naguo githomo.
Uhoro uria ungi ni wa migunda. Uhoro wa migunda niurarehe thina muno thiini wa bururi witu na muno Nyandarua tondu macira ma migunda nimaratwarwo magoti-ini muno makiria.
Na woni wakwa ni ati korwo kwahoteka twagia na igoti
ritekuhutania na magoti maya mangi ria migunda yo miene nigetha magatwarithia maundu macio na ihenya tondu macira ma migunda maratura miaka na miaka igoti-ini na ni uru makiria muno. Miaka na miaka andu makuage magatiga cira ugicirwo ugacirwo kinya andu magakua magatiga cira uri o igoti-ini. Uguo kugie na igoti ria migunda yo miene nigetha macira macio magacirwo na ihenya.
Undu uria ungi ni Katiba iria turathondeka riu. Katiba ino turathondeka riu woni wakwa yarika nikuona nigetha andu mohige na Katiba yao ya bururi ni andu othe a bururi either kwenderio kana kuheo tuhu nigetha tuthomage uhoro wa Katiba itu ya bururi. Tukamenya mawatho maitu ma bururi mathiite atia.
Ucio ungi ni uhoro wa natural resources. Natural resources ni ati nii no njurie ona forest niicoke nitondu riria kwari na aruti a wira forest nimahotaga gukuria miti thiini wa forest na bururi ukagia na utonga. No thutha wa undu ucio kweherio bururi niwathinire mwena wa natural resources. Ciakwa igukinya hau ni ndoiga ni wega muno.
Com. Kabira: Thank you Edward. Tucoke Beth. Beth ekurumirirwo ni Joseph Muraya.
Beth: Ni wega commissioner nikuhe kahinda gaka njuge undu. Ninguthiite tondu ningweteire muno. He kapoint kamwe ingienda kuga. Tuingi turia nyuma natuo nitugitwo ni andu aingi na ndingienda gucokera maundu maria mekugitwo tondu mothe ninjui nimukumaigwite.
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example, Presidential powers should be reduced as an example. He kindu gitagwo qualititive and quantitive. Githi tiguo. Quantitive ta riu andu aria othe moima guku-ri akorwo moima andu 70 aria maririe-ri, ni aigana moigire ati Presidential powers should be reduced. Akorwo ni 60-ri depending on the number country wide-ri io ni a common thing. Kuoguo-ri, you don’t have to explain no agikorwo niuragree na condition icio-ri, you should list them. Githi tiguo? Ugacigweta nigetha riu kuoneke ni andu aingi maroiga uguo. Ta riu uhoro wa migunda tondu niwaritio maita maingi-ri, uria andu aingi mararia uhoro ucio wa migunda-ri, noguo uronekana constituency io-ri ina problem ya mugunda. No angikorwo ni mundu umwe waririeri ucoke uge ucio angi maririe na nii nindetikia-ri, riu ndui cassette iria ndingimenya maundu macio mothe uroiga nimaririo ni mariku wetikania namo. So io sentence ndikumake sense. Kuoguo kaba kiria uagreeite utekuheana examples uheane points nigetha ucingwete.
Beth: Maritwa makwa ni Beth Wahito Njoroge. Nii kindu kiria ingienda kuga mbere ya maundu mothe ni kuga ati Constitution ino twatinda tukimiaririria kuma rucini na niyo turenda idraftwo ituike ya kurimagirirwo ni tondu wa mundu wothe gukorwo akimenya watho wa bururi ni very important nigetha mundu akaga gwika uria ekwenda. Nii kindu kiria ingienda gustress muno ni i-respectwo tondu ona ta riu twi haha ni kuri Constitution iria irathana Kenya ona kana yadraftitwo ni muthungu kana nia hindi io mari kuo, corruption iria i thiini wa bururi witu, yugite ni undu wakwaga ku-respect that Constitution kinya ona andu aria ma kuria iguru matiui Kenya ni kuri Constitution tondu ona marikia gutwaruo igoti-ini tondu ni andu anene matitwarikaga igoti-ini tondu ni andu anene matitwarikaga igoti-ini, tondu niukuririkana ta hindi mundu ta Mwai wa Kibaki acoketie petition gwatuikire no muhaka personally aserve president na marua na ndangihota kuona President niguo amuserve. Riu uhoro ucio ukihurirwo iguru tondu mundu ucio ena powers nyingi muno na arikia kuga ciugo ciake ni final. Undu ungi ingienda kuga ni ati no nyende Constitution ino turaririria riu, ikorwo ikiaririria uhoro wa mundu wothe wi bururi wa Kenya na ni muthomu na ni mwandike ni thirikari umwe agatiga kuheo ciringi Ksh. 5,000 muico wa mweri uria ungi akaheo Ksh. 1,000,000. Tondu ta riu turoiga corruption ithire muthigari ungi uraigua akiuga mucara wake ni 4,000. Ungiexpect muthigari arere ciana ciake na ciringi Ksh. 4,000, niarenda guthomithia cukuru ota kuria andu aria angi marathomithia tondu uria uraheo Ksh. 1,000,000 wake arathomera academy. Muthigari ucio nake niarenda mwana wake athomere academy ta wa muthuri ucio murata wake. Riu no muhaka aforcwo ni circumstances gwika maundu maria matagiriire magwitia bribes nigetha ahote guikara maica ma mundu ucio uraheo mucara wa Ksh. 1,000,000 na araruta wira ta uria muthigari arutaga. Kuoguo nii no njuge ati micara igerie kuigananio tondu ta riu niukuigua ringi ni gugutuika bururi-ini witu.
Bururi wa Kenya ni bururi mutongu muno no niukuigua kwina andu marerwo mainuke aria maheagwo mucara wa 3,000, 4,000 na 5,000. No a mucara wa 1,000,000, 700,000 matirainuka. Andu acio mbeca ciao inginyihanyihio maheo kuma mundu 30,000-40,000 acio mararetrenchwo makerwo mainuke matingiinuka tondu mbeca icio no igayanio na ihote gucater he mundu o mundu. Tondu ta riu mundu wa mucara wa Ksh. 5,000 eritwo ainuke agacoka akaheo tubenefit twake Ksh. 40,000 akiritwo ni mundu uria uturite guku atumaga waru. Mundu ucio utumaga waru ni mutongu kwi mundu ucio uraturaga arutagira thirikari wira. Riu ucio ni undu umwe ingienda kuga urorwo ta riu ona tareke njuge for example njoke mwena wigii uteti witu wa bururi. Mundu ta councillor araheo mucara wa 10,000 na mungimenya wega muno ti kwaririria councillor ni undu uria wi waho. Councillor aheo Ksh. 10,000 niwe utindaga na raiya guku tondu councillor aikaraga location yake. Gutiri councillor uthiaga 73
guikara kuria council iri. Kuoguo andu acio no nyende marorwo. He ndagika imwe please. Uhoro ucio ukarorwo mundu ta councillor niwe utindaga maita maingi na andu aria me guku grassroot aheo mucara wake wambatirio nigetha akahotaga kumeet problems iria twinacio guku uguo kwi muingi. Thank you.
Muraya: Thank you madam commissioner. Ritwa riakwa ta uguo mwaigua ni Joseph Muraya na ndina maundu manini ndirenda kuga. Ta uguo commissioner woiga ona akorwo ni macokere no ngumathoma. No wa mbere ndukiri mucokere. Nii ningwenda commissioner witikirie independent candidate akarugamaga githurano thiini wa Constitution io njeru urathondeka. Independent candidate are we together? Na independent candidate ucio ni tondu ringi ni ukwaga chance ya kurugama ciama-ini na ndina interest, ndingiuga uguo itari na interest, ni ukwaga chance ya KANU na ya DP na no ukirugamie ta mundurume na uthurwo. Hau commissioner note that.
Com. Kabira: Kana mutumia?
Muraya: Ona mutumia no mwitikirie arugame ari independent tondu no uhurwo ni KANU na uhurwo ni DP usimame peke yako na upigane. Kuma hau madam commissioner, uguo woiga nii ningwenda President agathurwo ena miaka 35-70 makura muno andu maroragwo kwao nyunjuri wa nyumba na matiramenya. Yeye anakua tu kama mboga fikira ikimalizika hata hawezi fikilia chochote, aende. Ena mugunda akirimaga ona to arime mboga na ikure? Ndui ithui tungitura turimaga ona President no ahote kuhanda waru na ikure na endie marigiti. Akinyia miaka 70 aende nyumbani. Ona ithui twikuo tutikuite.
Halafu Attorney Aeneral athuragwo ni Parliament. Let Parliament be supreme. Mundu umwe ndagatuike niwe urathura mundu wa kuhata, mundu wa kila kitu. Let Parliament be supreme. Parliament is made up of many people and all the people can’t be wrong one person can go wrong. Kuma hau andu ta Auditor General very important people in the country, those people should be taken care of, should not be tampered by anybody anywhere. Auditor general, attorney general and parastatal heads, people like you madam commissioner should not be thrown out just because somebody does not like the way you look. Now from there I know mine are 3 minutes they are about over.
Mundu niatige kuoya Kenya yothe andike title deed.
Kenya ni Muraya. Kenya ti Muraya? Mundu niagie na ika 200 na atosheke. Ona kuu kungi ni thungura ikomaga ona ndamenyaga nu ukomaga kuo. Ti ika 500 iwe ya mwisho. That’s the ceiling. Andu aria matari migunda ninjui maithe makuiriiire mutitu na maturaga icagi na ndangiikara muti iguru, thirikari niigure migunda kuu twirirwo Gilgil maragurira andu a Rhodesia imahe ika imwe, imwe maige ng’ombe imwe zero grazing.
Kuma hau itanahurirwo ngengere, nii ndi mundu wa retire onaungiona ndina mbui na uhoro uyu wa retire madam commissioner mumenyerere. I am about to go in about 3 months mbeca citu ciume narua. Madam commissioner tondu nindirathii in 3 months mbeca murute narua inyui commissioners tondu nitugukua. Ndui kurima, ndui gukama niwatunywo mbeca ni thirikari utakufa, watumwo mortury.
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Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Jonathan Njenga. Isaac Njuguna. Ugutuhinglight-ira o imwe tu.
Isaac: Niwega muno nikuhe kahinda gaka thome woni wa gikundi giki. Mandumite hana ta chairman wao. Ngugeria guthoma na ihenya muno nigetha hote kumeet maundu maya manengerete. Mambiriirie na Tume ya uchaguzi. Makoiga Tume ya uchaguzi inafaa kuwa huru na haki bila kuingiliwa na mtu yeyote hata Rais wakati inatimiza wajibu wake. Iwe ikimaliza kazi yake baada ya miaka 5 halafu ichaguliwe Tume ingine miaka mingine. Wanakamati wa Tume ya uchaguzi wawe wakichaguliwa kulingana na makubaliano ya vyama vyote vya siasa.
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Uchaguzi wa Bunge – Bunge inafaa kuchaguliwa kuakilisha wananchi wasio pungua
10,000 maana tunachagua wabunge kuakilisha watu wala sio wanyama au miti. Hivi sikusema sehemu dogo ilio na watu wengi iwe na wajumbe wengi kulingana na wingi wa watu. Na sehemu kubwa isio na watu wengi ipewe wajumbe wachache hivi ni kusema mjumbe anapelekwa bunge na kula ya watu sio kula za wanyama au miti. (b) Mtu akiwa anataka kuchaguliwa bunge lazima awe anajua kusoma na kuandika na ajue kuzungumza lugha ya Kingereza na Kiswahili na sio shahada za degree. Hata councillor wawe wanachaguliwa wametimiza mambo hayo, hayo wakitaka kuchaguliwa.
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Uchaguzi wa Rais. Rais awe akichaguliwa na wingi wa kula wala si mikoa (b) Rais
Asiwe juu ya sheria kama ilivyo Katiba ya sasa. c) Rais awe chairman wa board ya ulinzi wa nchi badala ya kuwa kamanda mkuu wa majeshi yote. Board hio iwe na wanakamati hawa – Rais awe chairman, chairman wa chama cha upinzani awe vice wake, chairmen wengine wawili wa chama cha upinzani wawe member wa board hio. Majemadari wote wa nchi kavu, maji na wa hewa na commissioner wa police na PC wote wakitawala hio board ya ulinzi.
Rais awe akihudumu vipindi viwili, vya miaka 5 kila kipindi na si zaidi ya hio. Akiwa na kashfa yeyote na iwe wazi anafaa kujiuzuru mwenyewe kwa hiari yake. Rais akivunja bunge kwa uchaguzi ama awe amechaguliwa amewacha wadhifa wake wote na akatazwe kwa 240 apizwe. Vyama vya kisiasa ili visiwe vya isiwe kikabila viwe vyama vitatu tu katika nchi.
Wanawake wawe wakichaguliwa kama wanaume wasimame kwa wingi ili waombe kula. Chama kile kitashinda wakati wa uchaguzi iunde serikari ikiwa kina wajumbe wa kutosha na ikiwa hakina wajumbe wa kutosha kitavuja viama vingine waunde sherikari ya msheto (coalition government). Ngoja niende ingine ile nilitumwa nayo ya Jua Kali.
Ufundi – nchi hii iko nyuma sana kwa ufundi. Elimu ya ufundi iwe ya lazima kutoka primary hadi secondary ili watoto wakimaliza shule wapate kazi. Mafundi wa Jua Kali wawe wakitengewa uwaja kwa miji mikubwa na miji midogo ili waweze kufanyia kazi huko na wategewe peza za kukopeza kama 5,000,000. Lakini sikumaliza. Asante sana.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. Nitukumithoma yoothe. Ok. John Maina.
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John Maina: Niwega muno athikiriria aitu othe ona anene aitu aria me haha ningumacokeria ngatho ni undu wa uria matuikite wega.
Com. Kabira: Rekei tumuthikiririe.
John: Nii ndi umwe wa andu aria matangiihota ona angorwo ni munyonaga guku ngithiururuka. Ndi umwe wa aria matangihota. Ndoria andu aya mokite kurugama
Com. Kabira: Wigwete ritwa.
John: Njitagwo John Maina Waweru na gwitu ni South Kinagop. Riu kindu kiria nguria Constitution ni atiriri, thiini wa constitution ino turenda guthondeka-ri, no njurie mutwikirire member wa Parliament akorwo eho, na councillor angorwo ti uguo mukinominate disabled amwe a gutwaragiriria. Tondu ungirora thiini wa guku matown-ini murore cionje nyingi ni kuhoya irahoya. Twathii Nairobi ni kuhoya marahoya. No tuoima kundu kungi mabururi ma nanja disabled njiguaga ni kugurirwo maguragirwo migunda, makagurirwo ma-plot makoragwo meho. Ii ithui-ri, andu a Kenya-ri mwendaga tugikwo ta uria Amini agikire cionje ciothe agiikia iria-ini? Mungigika atia inyui professor? Inyui professor ni inyui twanengera undu uyu please. Uthii urugamirire twagicemania na haria ndakigura gacai ukoiga asante. Nii ndikiri mwega tondu wona ngithua, I uria ungi ukomete haria uyu muthuri ena kionje gwake mucii gikomete hau na gitirehota. Na oka guguthaitha uramurora na thutha. Tungwika atia please? Reke Katiba ugituthondekere na tukihote ona ithui cionje, tukihote gukirugamirira. Asante sana.
Com. Kabira: Thengio muno Mr. John Maina na ngwiciria uhoro wa disabled niuhoro wi gatagati-ini ga the Commission ino tondu ona nitugite ati andu aria 10 mathuritwo in the constituency committee, 3 no muhaka makorwo me atumia, na 1 akorwo e a person with disability. Kuoguo ngwiciria ni uhoro ukurorwo.
Councillor Stephen: Commissioner yakwa niya urimi tu. Ritwa ni Councillor Stephen Kiriro Njihia, Engineer location. Ngwiciria nguthoma na ndimihighlight tondu ni points their. Farmers in Engineer location we request that government remove all duty and imports on products coming from outside. Uguo ni kuga indo iria iroka guku matigetikirio moke guku ona akorwo ni Comesa kana thi icio ingi.
Parastatals – turoria parastatals, andu aria meguthurwo matongorie kambuni iria irakuria indo citu ta mucere, cotton, cukari, kahuwa, macani, waru, flowers, ikoragwo igitongorio ni andu aria maturitwo ni arimi o ene nigetha mahitia makahota kumeheria na magaikaraga miaka 3 na maximum miaka 6. Mbeca iria ciumanite na wendia wa indo icio ciumite migunda-ini ciendio igokaga account-ini cia arimi aitu in foreign currency ni getha tugacenjia tukuria Commission io nini. Arimi aitu maheo mbeca na uhuthu nigetha makihote kurima wega. Thirikari ya ministry iria i ya girigacha igatigagirira niyatuma andu merutaga wira kuria matumitwo no ti andu akwandika report tu me mucii magatuma makoiga ni mararuta wira. Thirikari nituramiuria ithondeke 76
shows ari watho thiini wa district ciothe na ikarihaga kumithondeka na kumikaga o mwaka, o mwaka. Ino ni igutuma arimi aitu makorwo mena ugi wa gukorwo makiona indo iria irathondekwo kuria kungi. Nituroria thirikari ire andu aria matumwo ta atari a arimi mathondeke ta Tuesdays kana mithenya iria marithomithagia arimi. Akorwo ni urimi wa ng’ombe, wa thamaki magatigagirira andu aitu nimamenya nigetha magathondeka indo iria irabatarania quality kana mutaratara uria ubataranitie.
Barabara iria i kuu ta kuria kwa arimi nituroria ithondekwo ni arimi na ciana ciao marihitwo kuma kuri kigina-ini gia thirikari kana council makarora uria ingithondekeka. Uguo ni kuga ati ona arimi onao nimeguthondekerwo ciana ciao ikona mawira kuma wira-ini ucio. Nituroria thirikari icokie nyamu yetagwo guaranteed minimum refund, yetagwo GMR ya indo ciothe irakurio in large scale ta ngano, barrey, oats, cotton, sugar indo ta icio, nigetha igakoragwo ikirigiriria riria kwagia na crop failure kana riria kwagia na riera riuru thiini wa migunda-ini.
Farmers Bank – nituroria thirikari iteithiririe farmers guthondeka bengi ciao nigetha arimi matige guthii thabari, hena ukora wa gutunywo mbeca na ningi kunyihanyihia andu kuiga mbeca mucii niundu wa kugia na uici.
Land boards – Turoria land boards itige gucoka gwitikiria migunda ya kurimuo gwaturagwo tunini tunyihiire ika igiri na nuthu ni getha ona uria warima akorwo ni zero grazing akagia na kanuthu ga gwaka na ga kurima. Atumia metikirio gukoragwo mandikaniirio thiini wa migunda io yao na athuri. Co-registration of title deed, husband and wife. Uguo niukunyihia wendia wa migunda igatigara kanini muno aria angi a mucii matekumenya. Kuoguo nikio kiratuma tukorwo twina andu aingi thiini wa squaters kana ciana ikaingira ni undu wa mathina macio ma uikaro. Thirikari yurio ta requisition ithondeke dams kana guthondeka njira ingi ya gutumagira andu mai migunda-ini yao nigetha riria hihi riera riathuka andu makahota kurima na mai macio tondu ithui twi kuria kwi mai uguo ona Kenya kana ni Naivasha ta mau me lake Victoria angikorwo nituhotaga kupump maguta kuma Mombasa magathii Eldoret to mai tutangiruta Mombasa tutware kuria kungi. Thirikari nituramiuria yake cattle dips na gukorwo ari watho ati mundu uria uteguikia ng’ombe ciake munanda agathitangwo nigetha tuhote kunyihia mirimu ya ng’ ombe iria itarahona. Tondu andu aingi marehurira makagura ndawa ikahuthirwo na mahitia uria itagiriire. Nituroria thirikari ithondeke iganda area-ini iria irakura irio iria irakura. Akorwo ni pineaple nituonaga ikuraga Thika, ni kuri na factory ya pineaple, akorwo ni factory ya thamaki igige gwakuo Thika yakuo Githumo nigetha ukui wa indo icio gutwara kuria turathii ukahuthahutha. Tondu ta riu akorwo ni ya mboga yari Naivasha riu ndiui kuria yatwarirwo. Ingiatuarirwo Kinangop uguo ni kuga yakitwo kuria kurakura indo icio nituguthondeka arimi acio andu ao makandikwo kuo na ningi income ya andu acio igakurakura aria megukoruo makiruta wira kuu.
Turoria ati hari na mubango wari ho wa kuhe ciana iria. Tutimenyaga wathire ku tondu iria rioimaga guku migunda ino. Nitungiuria ciana citu thirikari nigetha icokie gacunji kanini igurire ciana citu iria ritwarwo kinya kuria ciana citu iri tondu kuri ciana iraraga itekunyua iria na thirikari ina mbeca. Uguo ni kuga ati nitukunyihia uthuku wa iria akorwo no rirarehwo ni getha nari ritu rigakinyuo guku ni ciana citu na igoti rigagicokerera arimi na njira io.
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Arimi metikirio guthondeka cooperatives ciakurehaga input ta fertilizer kana ndawa matura maria mari. Akorwo ni Kinangop magathondeka Aberdare SACCO igetikirio gutwitiria fertilizer na indo iria ingi irabatarania na itikarihio igoti kana kwina zero rated. Uguo ni kuga factories ici ikarekerwo ni thirikari kuma kwi magoti maria mangi.
Migunda iria ikoretwo i ya andu either me guku kana mathire nio njiguaga makiuga absentee landlords na i under utelised yaturangwo na iheo andu aria kana ikomborithio aria mekwenda kuruta wira wa commercial farming. Group ranches ciaturangwo nigetha iheo members ao na maheo title na thirikari tondu niyo itumite uhoro ucio uthii kahora ikimahe title icio. Andu aria mari icagi metherwo migunda io itigarite o io turoiga ya absentee landlords na yaturangwo na marihio fees kana charges nyinyi ciagucover waturi ucio nigetha tukinyihanyihe andu guikara. Tondu maikara icagi-ini marathii na mbere kugayana gicagi kiu kaarea ni kanini muno. Tutiri hindi tukanina gicagi tondu gicagi gigutura gi gicagi. Tondu tutangieheria andu acio kuu noguo gugutura icagi ithiite na mbere.
Ni kuri na loan ta iria cia AFC nitungiuria ota uria kuria kungi cieheretio ciaherio nigetha mathina manyihanyihire arimi aitu. Nitukuria thirikari ithondeke open air market all over the district ya livestock farming arimi a ng’ombe. Pricing of agricultural product be dictated by farmers, not brokers kana andu acio angi. Thank you gentlemen and ladies.
Jeremiah: Ucio muraigua agitwo Jeremiah Maina ni nii na gwitu ni haria Gitiri. Nii ndina kiuria kiria ndirenda gukuria commissioner ni ngurie atiriri, uria ngukwira ni uigananite na minister umwe wa Kenya ngithie gukwariria ta uria ingikwariria?
Com. Kabira: Ta cokera.
Jeremiah: Uria ingikuhe views ciakwa-ri, niguo minister agukuhe kana ari na hinya kungira?
Com. Kabira: Views ciaku na cia minister niciganaine.
Jeremiah: Aca, tondu nituraiguire ngatheti imwe iratwira atiriri, minister umwe niaroigire ati tutigukorwo na tamed na niyo views iria ngwendaga gukiwira. Turenda tukorwo na tamed akorwo ari muraiya tanii. Gwakorwo ni aiya, agatwarwo igoti-ini. Riu niukwandika uguo?
Com. Kabira: Ngwendaga kuga atiriri, minister ucio uroigire uguo-ri, io ni views ya mundu umwe, ya one Kenyan. Korwo ni muthuri uyu ugukite kwaria uhoro wa jua kali sector, oige matikwenda President tamed no oige atiriri uhoro nitwaririirie turi 300 ndiraheana memorandum isignitwo ni andu 300 a jua kali sector kana tari nii Chair. Io ni igukorwo ii view ya 300. No minister e wika-ri, ndararia on behalf ya ministry riria aroiga ati tutikwenda President Kenya. Kuoguo io ni view ya mundu umwe. Na iria uroiga riu wee ni view ya umwe. Kuoguo yaku na yake niciganaine.
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Jeremiah: Aca itiganaine. Mundu ucio ni very influential na nitumwitigirite tondu ukora wake niwitikagio ni thirikari ino ya Moi muno. Kuoguo uria gwenda gukwira tukwenda tamed President. Mundu wi below the law. Wa keri, nitukwenda Constitution ino tondu niturona iria ingi nita gukobio yakobetio itiandikitwo nita ithui. Mugithii kumiandika muturore ithui turaheana views ti kuroraga maminister ati niandika akoiga ati tutikwenda uu. Wagiriirwo common man tondu ni ithui tuhinyagiririo ni Constitution ino ya bururi uyu. Niturenda President agakoragwo ateguthura Commission ya Electoral Commission.
Wa gatatu, uhoro wa Judiciary, athuraga judge uria eciria gwathii gucirithanio akamwita na hau. Mundu ucio niatuirwo. Tutikwenda uhoro ucio. Wa kana local government niturenda ituike itari uhoro na thirikari iria nene. Nigetha mbeca citu cia council guku igaikaraga o guku tugatiga gwathirwo ni mundu wi Nairobi utoi mathina maitu ma iria ta uria tuitaga iria. Kuoguo council ya gwitu nitukwenda ituike independent.
Wa gatano, Constitution ino nditwiraga tukuhoya ki. Iikarite uguo yugite freedom of worship. Nditwiraga ngoma no riu Constitution iria iguka turenda yuge tuhoyaga Ngai na nindagutiga na icio.
Robert: Ni ngatho chairman wa Commission na ni undu wa Commission ino hamwe na timu yaku. Tukiite haha nigetha tumuhe maundu maitu maria twinamo wa mbere ndiaria uhoro wa administration. Administration iragaywo o hindi o hindi thiini wa division ukaiguaga location imwe igakorwo na headman ungi akongererwo marari 4 magatuika 5 kana 6.
Ucio muthii
muthondeke.
Uhoro wa thibitari mumenyerere ihane hindi iria yari ya hayati Kenyatta President witu wa mbere. Nituthondekerwo tondu atumia aingi matiri na uhoti ona athuri aingi matiri na uhoti. Ituike ya tuhu. Ndirenda gutengeria nigetha hote gwika ati. Uria ungi naguo ni andu aria tuthurite aya tureta MPs aria mathiaga gutuika maministers na maMP assistant ministers. Acio nao nikumenywo uhoro wao. Nikio turagutuma na nikio ukite haha. Matige kuheo micara minene niundu ona ithui niturahinyiririka. Ndirenda gutigira uhoro ndirenda gukuhe tu. Uria ungi naguo ni uhoro wa cooperative. Nii ndi murimi wa kahua na majani na nii nyumite constituency ya Mukurwe-ini. Na riu ndirenda wandike atiriri, ithui andu aria mendagia kahua magaturehagire mbeca igoka through account-ini yakwa handu ha andu aya megwitwo cooperative na sacco ino maratuika ni maraumire kuu maroka SACCO mbeca iria turatumiirwo ciringi 5 cia bonus matinirie niundu wa karatathi turaheo ciringi ithatu. Uguo niturahinyiririka ni undu wa njira ya githomo. Na nokio urona thiini wa bururi kuragia na mauici maingi muno makiria.
Uria ungi ni administration ino ya borithi. Iratwarirwo maundu ndirenda mungirire. Wi muciari wa mwanake na muiritu. Tiga gutwaragirwo uhoro kugaga o mundu akinyirira ati uyu ni muici na atwarirwo ni informer. Undu ucio unengerwo team ithii ikague. Tukuninirwo ciana, ta mutumia wa haitu urari na ciana 4 irari na madegree riu ndari. No tondu wa njira io na ni undu wakwihota. Mwana ningi niarahota aigirwo ni nyina hardware, onwo ni anake aria angi niarokira agathii agathitwo kwi borithi agoka akagabio ndoo. Nacio indo ciake igathii ikagayanwo. Uguo mutugitire. Ndikwenda gukiria hau.
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Daniel Mwangi Njoroge, kuma kuria Ndunyu Njeru: Niwega Professor. Ngwenda kwaria uhoro wa President njuge wabici yake ina powers nyingi muno na niikwenda kunyihio. Powers imwe itwarwo wabici ya Prime Minister, na iria ingi itwarwo wabici ya deputy Prime Minister na iria ingi atigwo nacio tondu ndikwenda atuike President ceremonial. Kuoguo mawira macio, ningwenda makorwo magayanituo uguo. Ningi President atige gutuika niwe munene wa maundu maingi muno. Ta riu umuthi uyu niwe chief commander wa forces, munene wa thigari, vice chancellor mawira macio mothe magayanwo atigwo na mawira manini. Acoke uhoro wa gucaguraga judges na Chief Justice ehere ho tugie na Commission of lawyers aria maricaguraga uhoro ucio. Kuoguo-ri wabici ya President i-reduce power no ndakae gutuika ceremonial atigirwo na some powers.
Njuke handu ha provincial administration njuge he mawabici na sub-chiefs na chiefs acio tumetaga assistant chief na munyinyi wake acio nao macaguragwo ni raiya. Okorwo ni location itu tugathii tugaikia kura tukoiga ngania niwe tukwenda chief. Tukagia na chief uria turenda nake agaikara miaka 5. Tuona ti mwega tukeheria. Kuoguo assistant chief na chief mathuragwo ni raiya.
He wabici ya district commissioner na provincial commissioner – wabici ici niturenda ciambe ciehere. Kugie andu aria marithuragwo ni raiya. District commissioner athuragwo ni raiya, na akorwo e district governor. Na PC nake athurwo ni raiya na ndagakorwo e PC ackorwo e provincial governor. Kuoguo-ri uhoti wa muraiya uthii ugithuraga andu acio kinya PC we mwenyewe. Na mathii miaka 5. Na tuona PC ti mwega tugekira ungi.
President – President uria wikuo na aria mariukaga matuike ni andu mangithitwo igoti-ini. Aya mekuo ndungihota kumukinyira ona ndungihota kumuhe sermon. Kuoguo President uria wikuo angihia athii arugame haria gathugui-ini igoti-ini, ta mundu ordinary, na atuirwo. Kuoguo-ri, nitukwenda hau naho hatonye. Thii uhoro wa kweheria President angihia. Impeachment ikorwo iho. President angihia niatige kuoneka tari mundu munene muno.
Njuke handu ha Legislature, niyo Parliament. Parliament Katiba mpya tumihe niyo serving body in the land thiini wa bururi. Kuoguo ateti othe na anene othe me rungu rua body iyo na ithuraguo miaka 5 onayo. Na hindi iria tuguthondeka constituency gutige gutuika mundu umwe kana MP umwe ararepresent voters 3,000 na uria ungi ararepresent voters 100,000. Kuoguo twike standardization na Parliament i-dissolve-agwo only for 21 days after 5 years na yambagiririe every 4 th February ya miaka 5 haria yathirira.
Prime Minister nake oimage gwi kiama kiria kinene kiria kiagia na MP aingi na deputy wake oimage kuri second largest political party. Na Prime Minister athurage minister na deputy prime minister athurage assistant ministers.
Kuma hau ningwaria uhoro wa Judiciary – Judiciary ithondekerwo Commission yayo aria marimacaguraga tondu tutikwenda President athurage andu acio. Kuoguo magoti mothe maheo Commission yao na makorwo mari magitire. Tuthii uhoro wa 80
magoti tuge nigukwendwo igoti rimwe inene, Supreme Court of Appeal ati macira mangiremera guku mothe mundu niaritwaraga supreme court of appeal.
Kuma hau tuthii prisons – prisons nacio andu aria moherwo tumehia tunini acio makohagirwo guku division, makarutaga wira wa gwaka cukuru, ndaraca, barabara uguo makarutaga tumawira tutu tuhuthu. Matige gutukanio na criminals aria handcores tondu ni kumuthukia. Na hanging bill nayo yehere. Mundu ni ohagwo maisha akarutira bururi wira thirikari-ini.
Local government ningugweta uhoro wayo njuge mayors na councillors mathuragwo miaka 5 na mundu angika mahitia agathurukwo gatagati-ini, to kinya unine miaka 5. Githomo nakio ngwete uhoro wakio gikorwo gi kuma std. 1 kinya std. 12. Na hatikagie na KCPE. Kuoguo gap io yehere. Andu othe nimathome kinya form 4. Nakio kia university andu nimarihirwo ni thirikari na igoti riayo. Na andu acio magethagirwo wira na mundu uria ukwenda kuruta mbiacara akaheaguo mbeca cia mbiacara niguo agekuria na njira iyo.
Uhoro wa urimi – urimi naguo irio citu cimenyagirirwo muno. Iria ciroima mabururi ma nanja itigage kwendio tutambite kurikia. Okorwo ni waru citu twatwara marigiti waru itikoime Tanzania kana Uganda tutarikitie citu. Kuoguo privitization yeherio hari ngirigaca niguo indo citu ikagurwo na iria ritu tutikwenda iria ri-imprtagwo kuma nanja na ng’ombe citu tutiri turarikia kugurirwo. Atumia nao maheo kahinda kao matuike nimariheagwo tumigunda ni maithe mao gutikae gugituika no anake margairwo ni maithe mao.
Uhoro wa weapons, live arms – Thiini wa bururi witu twina micinga miingi iroima nja kuoguo-ri nonjuririe andu aria moi uhoro wa matharaita andu othe meke registration na metikirio gukorwo nayo na makamenyagirirwo. Kuma hau ndikwenda kwaria maundu maingi, maundu macio mangi nimeguthii haria na nimegukinya. Ni wega muno commissioner. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Ngu-suggest ningi tunyihie ndagika tucicokie 2 nigetha tuhote kuhe andu othe chances. Riu uria ukwaria ni James Mbugua.
James: Njitagwo James Mbugua ta uguo mwaigua ndetuo. Maundu maria ndinamo ni manini naningumagweta na njira nguhi. Wa mbere ni miena iria ikoretwo ina thina wa mapigano ya makabila, mbara cia gikabila. Ciugo icio nicio ngwenda cimenyererwo uhoro wacio na kundu kuria kuiyagwo ng’ombe na mburi. Kundu kuu kituo cha police kana ituo cia thigari itigakorwo I makiria ya kilometre 3 kuma kutuo kinya kiria kingi, nigetha thigari icio ihote kugitira andu aria makoragwo kuu. Uhoro wa keri, thiini wa icigo icio-ri kugie na andu thiini wa community mekuheo radio calls. Radio calls ni cia gwita thigari iria ci hakuhi kungioneka undu ta uici wa ng’ombe aria matharikirwo mageta thigari na ihenya. Uguo ikorwo na radio calls cia gwita thigari na ihenya ihinda oro riothe. Manengerwo radio calls maikarage nacio micii yao atongoria aria me itura-ini riu, kana atongoria a kanitha. Uici wa ng’ombe woywo ta uici uria ungi wothe wa mabank. Nigukoragwo kwina thina tondu andu aria maiyaga ng’ombe moyagwo tari kitamaduni. Na thirikari niiguite uhoro ucio ni kuri watho ugite theft with violence. Uguo andu 81
acio matwarwo igoti-ini manyitagwo ta andu aria angi othe maiyite with violence ma makohwo kuringana kinyonga kana kuohwo maisha.
Thiini wa bururi gutigetikirio mundu o wothe gukua ciraha ta ruhiu rwa njora kana ruhiu oro ruothe, mkuki, rungu, kisu, msare, rongo, uta, bunduki nja ya mugunda wake. Indo icio ciothe itigetikirio. Ongorwo enja ya mugunda wake akorwo arathii mugunda ungi wake wi handu hangi no ti kurura nacio o uguo atari mugunda wake arathii kana akorwo ndarathii mugunda wake wi handu hangi. Uguo undu ucio uninwo.
Riu-ri malipo ya mawasiliano nchini ya Kenya iwe yalipwe kwa Communication Commission for Kenya wala si KBC. Ihinda riri andu aria mendagia radio mathondekaga radio marihaga licence gwi KBC. Uguo matige kuriha KBC. Vituo vya radio gitikirio gwaka boosters o kundu o guothe cingienda gwaka iria registered. Licence cia kwendia radio na tv ciendagio ni communication commission of Kenya no ti KBC na itigakorwo cii makiria ya ciringi 1,000 kwa mwaka. Nacio licence cia kumiliki radio na TV itigakorwo cii makiria ya ciringi 10 na ciendagio ni dealers iria registered kana communication commission of Kenya.
Undu wa muico ni undu wa kulinda viwanda hapa nchini. Thirikari ikire export compensation ya kuria andu marendia indo nja ya bururi nigetha mahote kwendia na njira huthu na mbei ya rahisi ni getha iganda cia Kenya cikorwo ci ushidani mzuri kwi iganda cia mataifa. Nindoiga ni wega ni undu wa kuhe kahinda kau.
Dominic:
Ha maritwa makwa njitagwo mutungatiri Dominic na ndina proposals iria ingienda ikorwo cikioywo ni
commissioners aitu niundu wa guthondeka Katiba njeru iria turahaririria ni undu wa bururi witu. Tumaundu turia ngwenda kugweta nguthii ndeng’erete. Ka mbere ni kegii local government. Njuge nituri na uhoro ta wa city council, urban councils, county councils, town councils etc. na honge ici ciothe
Com. Kabira: Tamba utige hanini. Handu ha andu marigiste angi na twina andu gikundi, andu aria angi mekwenda kwaria tureke mandike mawoni mao tukue. Otherwise tutingienderea tari rucini. Githi tiguo? Angikorwo hari andu meguthii beyond acio mararegister ona no manengerwo maratathi malist points tucikue riu as memorandum. Otherwise twahota ringi guthii kinya utuku muno tondu ni thinacara. Aria moka kinya 5.30 aria maregister kinya 5.30 nio marambiriria riu after.
Dominic: Ngithii na mbere ngwenda kwamba gu-take issue ya uhoro wa council citu either ikorwo ni city, urban, county. Ngoiga honge ici ciothe tondu ni citu riria ciarogota mbeca itigatuike ikwoywo ni ministry ya local government. No mbeca icio cigatumirwo within that locality ya council io, nigukorwo thiini wa bururi witu nituonaga kundu kumwe kuria council itongeire ni iremagwo ni kwiyaka na ikahota guthii gwaka kundu kungi na kuoguo andu aria maratongia council io magakorwo matigitwo uru. Ndarora ngona ta guku gwitu Nyandarua twi thina-ini ucio. Ni gukorwo twina products nyingi muno iria ciumaga guku na thiini ya council yoya igoti riathii tutigaguo tutari na kindu. Kuoguo ninguhoyaga thiini wa Katiba itu gwitikirio council mbeca iria 82
yoya akorwo nita Engineer ikadevelop itura riu.
Kaundu karia kangi ngugwetaga ni uhoro wa thirikari ituike yakuheaga uteithio kana gutungatagira githomo gia tuhu. Nyambiririe njuge health facilities ikorwo I cia tuhu ni gukorwo andu aria me bururi-ini ucio, citizens nimagiriirwo maheo ndawa cia tuhu, akorwo ni x-rays ikorwo ni cia tuhu na maundu macio mangi mothe, medical check-up, medical counselling ciothe thirikari iheanage tuhu. Niguo mundu ucio agokorwo ena hinya na akahota gutungatira bururi wake nigukorwo mbeca iria andu maratumira na thibitari ni irakorwo i nyingi na mundu agikaheo ndawa iria yagiriire agakorwo ringi ni gukua arakua.
Kaundu karia kangi ingienda thirikari ituike ya gutuhe tuhu ni uhoro wa githomo gia ciana. Niingihoya thirikari irutie kaana kuma nursery school gatuike ni geguthomithio gathii primary school na secondary ona university. Mwana ucio atuike githomo ni tuhu. Na riu ningi aqualify thiini wa university kiria egukorwo agite thiini wa githomo giake, thirikari imuteithiririe guthii gukirutithia wira. Ni gukorwo ithomo nyingi iria irathomwo na andu magakorwo mari ogi makaga gukorwo mena maundu mareka nikio kiratuma mundu atuike mentally tortured ona agathii gwika maundu matagiriire.
Kaundu karia kangi ingienda kugweta ni uhoro wa cukuru o hau ngugwetete. Igoti riria muciari angiheo ni kaundu kanini muno. Akorwo ni cost sharing muciari agakorwo niwe urathii o gwaka tumaundu turia turendekana. Akorwo ni murimi, igoti ria fertilizers ndawa cia ng’ombe na maundu macio mangi mothe ma urimi maundu macio mothe meherio igoti niguo murimi ahote gukorwo akiruta indo njega migunda-ini na riu ningi thogora wa indo ici thirikari icicuthiririe, gutigatuike murimi arirutaga wira ugatuika wa tuhu. Ndathii mwena-ini wa igoti ngugaga angorwo ni igoti ritikirio gukorwo ri very independent. Kuoguo akorwo nita chief justice ndagathurwo ni President kana athurwo nuu no akorwo agithurwo ni Tume ithondeketwo ni majudge. Riu ningi njuge akorwo ni attorney general niguo akorwo e non-partisan onake akorwo ndarathurwo ni mundu no akorwo e gikundi kiramuthura.
Uhoro wa githurano kia President ngona kinyihio President akorwo egwathana terms 2 cia miaka 4 – 4. Nacio term icio agiathana ndagakorwo e mumbunge. Akorwo e President wa bururi wothe niguo riria egukorwo agiatha bururi wothe ndagaconcentrate na itura rimwe agie na kwendereria na kana gukuria handu hamwe na indo cia bururi wothe.
Kaundu karia kangi gwenda kugweta ni ithurano kia mumbunge na gia councillors. Kiu gikorwo nakio kina term yakio. Acio mathurwo matuika nimathurwo kia President nakio gigacoka thutha wa ciumia igiri kuma kiu giathurwo niguo uhoro wa rigging na uhoro wa maundu maya mothe gutukanio makehera. Na tondu giti gia President no kinene, gigakorwo kiroretwo na njira njega. Kaundu karia kangi ni kweheria iti cia nominated councillors tondu angorwo ni nominated councillor ringi giti kiria athurwo maga kuiguithania na uria uthuritwo mariambagiriria mbara na kuoguo itura riria mari ritigatuika ria gukura. Kuoguo ngona mbeca iria ikuneo mundu ucio nominated no itumirwo na njira ingi.
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rungu wa thirikari niguo itigatuike kwi mundu ikuhinyiriria ni undu wa kwaga hinya wacio no makiria hagakorwo kuigwithania. Niguo ndikiririe thii hutitie, kanitha ndikahuragwo riria yagweta kaundu ga siasa. Angikorwo ateti nimararua kanitha yarugama ipoint rihia ni itigage gukirirwo irekwo ithii na mbere na kuhunjia na kumenyithia andu uhoro wa Ngai ni gukorwo siasa angikorwo kanitha niikwiyeheria andu megutuika rotten. Kuoguo kanitha niitigage kuhurwo ati uhoro wigii ciaca niireingiriria.
Uhoro wa employment – census yekwo niitangathwo niguo o kabira o kabira ikamenyeka andu acio maigana atia niguo gwakinya wandikani wa wira gugathii kwina ratio ati kabira ino yagiriirwo iheo iti ici, aya nao magiriire ni maneo ici no ti gutuike gutiritaragwo andu mekuheo wira atia? Ukona kabira imwe itari na andu aingi iretwo nginya andu matari athomu makarutwo gwikira signature niguo ahotage kuruta mbeca bengi. Kuoguo ngona haha hatiri na uhoro wama.
Kaundu karia kangi ni ka uhoro wa forest. Ithui turigiciirio ni forest kiria ingihoya niukuona murimi niahandite miti, niaratura mbao, niaratura thiriba. Ukona riria oimiririe niaratengeranio nake. Ukarigwo nayo forest-ri irarega gupreserve na kurora maundu mayo niki? Ukona murimi arakorwo e humiliated. Kuoguori murimi niarorwo maundu-ini make akorwo ni mbao niitige gutuika no forest, kuri amwe mena miti ya mitarakwa, atura mbao niaheo wiyathi wake.
Kaundu karia kangi ni ga Parliament – Parliament nayo ngirikiriria nigwethwo commission imaheage mucara. Tondu riria mathii mbunge, mathiaga magaikara makeyona no ithui matiratuona. Ta riria kurari na mbara ya Afaghanistan ukaigua makiuga o maheo micinga no raiya ndirerwo iheo micinga na niyo imathurite. Kuoguo nayo mbunge yetherwo Commission iria irimaheaga go ahead niguo nao matuteithie. Thank you.
Patrick: Thank you madam commissioner na wananchi. Ni nii ndetwo Patrick Munene na riu na nii ninguruta kaundu gakwa karia ndinako uhoro ukonii constitutional review. Riu nii ngwambirira uhoro wa administration tondu riu administration niyo irugamiriire raiya thiini wa matura, provincial administration. Njarie atiriri thiini wa riria gukwandikanwo ni thirikari korwo kwahoteka tondu riu mandikaga chief na assistant chief na wa district focus, riu-ri raiya itikirio yo nyene ikaruta mundu uria ukwandikwo ni thirikari. Kuoguo mundu ucio egucagurwo ni raiya ni getha riria andirutira andu acio wira uru-ri, raiya ikahota kumweheria, igaikia vote of no confidence. Magaikia mundu ucio nja. Andu aria matahuragwo transfer chief na assistant chief Constitution itikirie moimage kuri raiya direct.
Undu uria ungi ni uhoro wa ambunge – Mumbunge na councillor mathuragwo ni andu ni getha marugamirire raiya na ni getha mathii kuria guciragirwo magagicirira raiya maundu maria mathinitio nimo. Riria mathii mbunge ninyonete riu matiikaga micemanio tondu riu ukona mumbunge aroneka riria kwi mathiko kana akoneka riria hihi kugite kamucemanio kangi na tiwe wititie, ndahotaga gucemania na andu. Kugie na watho wa ati no muhaka angikorwo niakarugama ringi na niakenda giti kia mbunge, nigukarorwo ni micemanio iigana ekite constituency yake nigetha acemanie na andu mamwire mathina mao. Kuroragwo thiini wa Constitution mundu ucio arutite wira atia thiini wa constituency yake ya gucemania na andu na ni maundu mariku ekite na akaririria andu acio. 84
Kaundu karia kangi ni ngiaria uhoro ucio wa uhoi. Uhoro wa kuhoya Ngai ithui andu airu tuturite tuhoete Ngai uria wombire thi na iguru na riu Kenya kwina wiyathi wa kuhoya. Riu-ri wiyathi wa kuhoya-ri, riu niutuikite wa kuhoya Ngai kinya kuhoya ngoma. Riu-ri nii niingiuga gwikirwo watho wiruo atiriri, Kenya kwina wiyathi wa kuhoya Ngai uria wombire thi na iguru. Kuhoyagwo Ngai ucio no to ngai uria weciria kuhoywo ni andu tondu uhoi wa ngoma, niuthahitie bururi witu.
Kaundu karia kangi ingiuga uhoro wa iria na indo iria turimaga guku. Njarie uhoro wa urimi. Njuge riu urimi-ri, thirikari niirore uria ingika uhoro wa urimi wa bururi uyu witu. The government mangika atia nigetha ithui arimi tuguragirwo indo citu ni thirikari tutige kwenderia o mundu kuria oimire. Indo citu twendia tuhane ta bururi wa njeremani kuria kana mabururi maria mangi, thirikari igatuguragira indo icio, igacoka igetha gw kwendia. Kuoguo yatugurira-ri nimarihotaga gwetha gwa kwendia na nimekwaga ihinda ria kugura indo kuma na nja makarehe guku indo iria ithui tukuragia.
Riu undu uria ungi niingiuga thiini wa thirikari Vice President tondu nitugiaga nake na ndiri ndiraigua giti kia Vice President kieherio, Vice President onake athuragwo ni muingi. Public magathura Vice President niundu hinya wa President niwonekete wi munene muno ndakae gukorwo e above the law, akorwo e rungu rwa watho onake nigetha kungituika niaremwo ni wira Vice President uria muthure ni andu no aikarire giti ihinda riu kaira kurikwo githurano.
Undu ucio ungi ngugaga ni wa judicial – Judicial ni atiriri, uhoro wa igoti. Andu aria matari hinya na athini, athini riu makinyitwo mutwe ni itonga thiini wa bururi witu. Muthini ndonaga mundu wa kumwaririria tondu gitonga giathii igoti-ini githiaga gikaruta mirigo, gikaringa judge ngundi ya nda ni undu wa corruption. Mundu ucio muthina ukorwo niwe urahinyiriirio, ahinyiririo makiria, kuoguo ingiuga handu hau harorwo. Riu muthini ndari na mwene na riri angikorwo thirikari iria twinayo ithuragwo na kura athini na itonga nia aingi? Athini nio aingi akorwo nio aingi nio mena kura na angikorwo nio mena kura nio magiriirwo ni kuregardwo gukira itonga. Kuoguo muthini ahitirio kugie na watho wa muthini uria thirikari irimurugamagirira yo na ikamuigira akorwo ni wakiri ucio. Arorwo ni thirikari tondu muthini niwe thirikari na niwe urugamiriire thirikari. Thengio muno.
Father Mwai: Niwega madam commissioner o hamwe na ageni aitu ni undu wa kuhe kamweke ndugame haha ringi. Riu ndinoka kwaria no ndoka kuheana memorandum ya andu makiria ya 2,000 akiristiano a gatoreki a parish ya Magumu. Nio marandumite haha ndimarugamirire niundu wa gitumi mwanya mwanya. Uria uraneaga father in charge ndanahota na riu na nii ndoiga ndimineane publicly nigetha andu othe mamenye memorandum yao nineane. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Mithome just the headings. Nimaheanite mawoni but not the details. Akorwo mena sub-heading.
Father Mwai: Mena sub-headings. Nguthoma iria major. Nimaroiga uhoro wa identity. Kenya ikorwo ii sovereign state. Na nimoigite uhoro wa constitutional supremacy thiini wa Kenya Constitution ithondekagwo ni muingi ota uguo turathondeka na ni moigite uhoro wa directive principles cia state policies na bill of rights, lands and property rights, makoiga thiini wa Kenya 85
andu matikagie migunda makiria ya ngiri acres na andu aria mena migunda minene makaheana nafasi nigetha migunda io igatuika ni valuable. Nimoigite uhoro wa political parties makagweta nikwagirirwo gukorwo na political parties ithatu na ni getha tweherie ikindi ici ikoragwo kuo nyingi cia uteti. Nimoigite uhoro wa structures na systems of government, na ni hari na uhoro wa Executive na President na duties na responsibilities cia executives. Nimagwetete uhoro wa Legislature na Judicially magakihena point iria maheanite, nimaheanite uhoro wa local authority ikorwo ii autonomous, na nimaritie uhoro wa management of natural resources.
Na muico nimoigite uhoro wa Constitutional Commission na institutions ikoragwo ii
independent. Nimaritie uhoro wa foreign affairs and international relationship na civil service na muico-ini nimaritie uhoro wa succession na transfer ya power iria President angikorwo nayo na nimaheanite uhoro wa environment and natural resources. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much father Mwai. Ni Njoroge?
Njoroge: Thank you. Wa mbere ingienda kuga ati githomo gituike compulsory na gituike financed kuma treasury ni getha muciari atige kuhinyiririo muno, gicokio uria kiahanaga tene twathiaga kuriha githomo wabici ya githomo, mbeca igathii Treasury gikambiriria gigatumwo mathukuru kuringana na needs cia o thukuru o thukuru. Uria ungi ni murutani nake, murutani uria waruta wira wega niarihwo uria kwagiriire kana ta uria kwandikitwo, promotion merit itwike practical. It is there no riu ti practical. Murutani akaruta wira na ungirora wega no murutani wabaga gutuika evaluated wega muico-ini wa mwaka. Andu aya angi oothe gutiri mundu twiragwo araruta wira atia mwaka wathira, no murutani githomo githomagwo na gigekwo tukarutirwo results na tukerwo cukuru iria iratongoretie na iria irarigitie no tutiiragwo chifu uria uraruta wira wega muno arari uriku thiini wa district, tutireritwo mumbunge uria uraruta wira wega muno arari uriku, tutiiragwo ndagitari uria urathondekire andu wega muno arari uriku, no nituiragwo cukuru iria iratongoretie ikagwetwo na ikandikwo ngatheti ingiuga naguo okorwo mwarimu niegwikwo uguo niarihwo uria kwagiriire kana atuike promoted accordingly.
Uria ungi ni uhoro wa prices – nikugie na Control Price Board na mathogora magatuika well laid down nigetha gutige andu mekuhinyiririo gukira aria angi. Na planning ni undu wa economy, matauni ni maplanwo wega. Nairobi guplanwo wega nigetha guthire haro nyingi cia hawkers, matige gutinda makihurwo makiingatagwo town ona akorwo no guku turi town ituike well planned tukamenya o town igie na sewage tutikerwo cioro ikororio naku kana giko giothe gikororio ku, uhoro ucio uplanwo wega ni andu mena githomo.
Uria ungi ni uhoro wa mabarabara – Ministry of Communication and Transport, o area niikwenda Commission iria iriroraga barabara. Nitugie na commissioner na mundu ucio wathurwo arugamirire barabara angiaga kuruta wira mwega akeherio, tukareherwo mundu ungi adeal na barabara. Ta riu ungirora bara ino itu nitwikiriirwo mahiga kuma kuria kianda no mahiga macio uria uitite matigitwo uguo gutiri mundu wa kuharagania. You don’t know who to ask uguo ni kuga mahiga nimaitirwo nu ukuharagania? Uguo nitugie na Commission kana road commissioners maaga kuruta wira mwega makeherio tugathura andu angi. 86
Uria ungi ni uhoro wa kanitha – nikugie na freedom of worhip well specified turahoya Ngai uriku tondu ithui turi prayerful country na tukinyite hau ni undu wa kuhoya the true God. Uguo kanitha niiheo gitio no nihekwenda kugia na limit. Kanitha itikae gwakwo ta matuka kana kiosk. Nihagie na specified distance ya kanitha from one church to another tondu ungituiria urona planners maheana cieya kana turehe hihi mwako makanitha mothe makwo handu hamwe tukarigwo, do I enter here or there. Uguo kanitha ikorwo ci well spaced.
Judiciary nayo cases niituike – nituge judge niarute wira wake na ihenya. Let’s not have pilling of cases. Na muthigari nake anyita mundu case ciake nacio niitwarwo igoti-ini na ihenya. Na mundu angiikario matuku makirio maria magiriirwo guikario, mundu ucio niatuike compensated. Angithii aikare matuku makire atuike compensated ni thirikari kana mundu uria umunyitithitie amucompensate time yake awastate ni tondu ni mundu urari wira-ini.
And finally ni uhoro wa thibitari tutige kugia na double taxing. Bururi uyu witu wina a lot of taxation. Mundu wothe araruta igoti na ukariha igoti maita meri. Ukariha igoti haria uri wira-ini kana nduka-ini kana wi mbiacara-ini ningi, wathii thibitari ukariha igoti ringi ria ndawa. The same case to education tukariha tax ukigura ibuku, ugithii kuriha fees ukariha igoti uguo ni hagie na defination njega ya taxation tuavoid double taxation. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you Mr. Njoroge. Then we have Kimani, then Njuguna, John Mwangi and then Francis Ngugi.
Kimani: Thank you, muri ega? Ritwa riakwa njitagwo James Kimani. Niingiaria uhoro wigie urimi. Urimi niukoretwo ugituhinyiriria muno tondu guku tuguraga indo na kilo. No thiini wa kwendia irio icio ikunia riigana uguo tuguragirwo na guthukia. Kuoguo nitwagiriirwo indo ciothe turagura na kilo tukendia na kilo.
Tuke uhoro wa President. President ndagakorwo iguru ria watho. Tuke uhoro wigii corruption – thiini wa mugunda niugukora mugunda wina title deeds 2. Niki? Title deeds 2 ciumite ku na ni mugunda umwe? Nitukwenda hau turorerwo. Nitukwenda ningi indo cia urimi ikagerera thiini ta wa SACCO aria maratukinyiria indo icio, tondu iri iguru muno riu iria ritu rigakorwo ri thi. Ithui twina thina munene muno nitwagiriirwo ni kurorwo naho hau.
Tuthii uhoro wigii thigari. Thigari ciongererwo mbeca nigetha naithui tutige gucina andu. Turacina andu niki? Tondu gitonga kiria muriu anyitwo na kindu athii agoti-ini akoiga “na githi to murakirwo” na ithui tugeka uguo tugacina tugetuira. Kuoguo majudge marumie wira wao wa waragania. Uhoro wigii migunda, survey. Thiini wa njui niagiriire ni kurutwo. Survey aratura mugunda rui gatagati agakwira ni gwake ugoka ukarima hau. Bururi witu andu aitu nituumenyerere. Mugunda niurorwo foot cia rui irutwo kuhandwo wega. Twarima kinya rui-ri myoyoko witu uguthii ku? Soil erosion iguthii ku? Kuoguo nitwagiriirwo ni kurora. No macio nyuma namo. Asante.
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Francis: Thengio muno madam commissioner. Njitagwo Francis Ngugi. Mapendekezo makwa ni presidential powers niwaritio ni andu aingi. Niwega powers cia President inyihio ahote kuimpichwo ni Parliament angikorwo kwina mehia maingi ekite. Ambunge mangiona bururi ndurathii wega nimagiriirwo gucokanirira mete President mamucirithie na mangiona niathukitie bururi mamu-impeach after that angienda gutwarwo igoti-ini no atwarwo. Secondly thiini wa appointment iria ekaga ona akorwo ni cia cabinet presidential appointment ciothe nia-appoint andu aria ekwenda kuappoint no magithii kwambiriria wira wao magere mbunge mahitukie ati ni andu mangihota kuruta wira ucio tondu nituonete andu magithurwo wira tukagia nganja kana nimaui tondu wa background ciao, githimo kiao. Ukona mundu ucio athurwo tondu hihi ni ashoutaga muno ni psychopant ya President agagithurwo wira uria utamwagiriire. Kuoguo nitukwenda President athura mundu akahitukirio mbunge. Mbunge ikoiga ni mwagiriru agathii akaruta wira ucio. Atuika ti mwagiriru akerwo athure ungi kinya hindi iria agathura uria umwagiriire.
Nitukwenda Vice President athuragwo hamwe na President. Mundu akirugama President akoiga ndatuika President, Vice President wakwa ni uyu tukamathura me hamwe. Vice President aheo wira utaririo wira wa Vice President ni muna nigetha akaruta wira wake ategwitigira ati hihi no abutwo kuappointwo ungi ruciu. Uguo nitukwenda President agie na running mate wake.
Parliament nayo nitukwenda kugie na mechanism, andu mangithura mumbunge tondu nitui mumbunge umwe wathiaga mbunge kuhoya, andu mangithura mumbunge mone ti mwega ndararuta wira uria mamutumire makahota kumurecall. Magacollect signatures cia nuthu ya registered voters constituency io, mangicollect signatures ta nuthu yao matwarire Electoral Commission yone niyo registered, mundu ucio no atuike giti kiu niekulose na gwitanuo githurano kingi.
Majudge namo nimekwenda President amathura makahitukio ni Parliament ati nomahote kuruta wira wa majudge. Uhoro wa political parties, madam commissioner, nitukwenda political party igatiga kuregistagwo ni registrar wa societies tondu mundu ucio e directly under Executive. Tukwenda political parties iregistagwo ni Electrol Commission ni ikorwo i independent. Uguo ni kuga thirikari yahota gutwara kiama ipendelee giki, kirigistwo, giki kirege kirigistwo. No Electrol Commission ingikorwo ii independent niiriroraga applications cia political parties na merit ciacio. Na nitukwenda political parties ciambiririe democracy thiini wacio cio nyene, tondu the political parties we have right now ti democratic uria kwagiriire. Na tungikorwo nitukurehe democracy thiini wa bururi ndungirehwo ni parties itari democratic. Kuoguo tukwenda Electrol Commission yoe responsibility ya kuona ati political parties iria twinacio ni democratic. Ithurano cia political parties ciikithagio ni electrol commission io, tondu koruo niguo ciikaguo ngwiciria maundu maria marekirwo Kasarani tutingiramonire. Thank you very much.
Com. Kabira: Ningwenda kurecognise the presence of your MP Mr. Mwangi Waithaka na turari nake ira kuria Jabini. Na ni very important kuria MPs maraparticipate together with the constituents tondu ngwiciria nitwaririe mbere uhoro wa constitutional conference tuoiga ati gugakorwo representatives a district and then Members of Parliament. Kuoguo Mwangi angikorwo niaraigua uria turoiga haha as members of his constituency na ni muraexpress the same views hatiri gitumi kingituma athii National Constitutional conference athii akagaruruke. Kana tiguo? Kuoguo riu presence ya kuparticipate within the 88
constituency level ni very important for the members of Parliament and also for constituents. Ningumuritie kana niekumugeithia mbere oiga ambe athikangiririe. I don’t know whether you want to say something now.
Mwangi: I can do it, now.
Com. Kabira: Can we give him a chance.
Mwangi: Niwega madam commissioner Prof. Wanjiku Kabira. Ouguo mwerwo ni professor turari nake Jabini ira niundu wa kuoya views division io ya Southern hamwe na uguo ninguga tondu ndi member wa forum ino ya guku ningi ni wega gukiigua onakorwo ndiri na views ngwenda kuruta, niundu nindirarutire ira na nindutite handu hangi na kiama na ni thikiriirie uria wothe muroiga. Andu aria murathikiriria nimuraigua uhoro ucio ona akorwo ndurendete Katiba urarenga, muroiga murenda kindu gitagwo utongoria mwega, good governance. Githi tiguo ndiraigua mukiuga inyuothe? (affirmation) Ii tondu kiria gigutuma toguo ndaigua muthuri uria uma haha oiga maracina andu ni undu wagitwara mundu borithi ekite kiundu mugicoka kuinuka maguru, mugikinya mucii mumukore kuo tondu we ekuinukio ni ngari ya borithi. Ii landrover ya borithi imuinukie na inyui mumutwarire muinuke maguru. Kuoguo mukumukora mucii. Na inyui mungimukora mucii, no alternative. Io ni sign imwe ya kuonania utongoria muru. Niguo witagwo na githungu bad governance. Riu muroria commissioners aya, maikara thi marore uria Katiba ingiandikwo na andu maheo hinya uria marihotaga gutua itua ona akorwo ni itua ta riri riagia na utongoria muru.
Ta uria turerire andu Jabini ira. Bururi uyu haria wahitaniire kidogo ni ati nitwacolonisatwo ni muthungu. Na riria twaheagwo wiyathi Katiba iria twagiire twa-inheritire maundu ma muthungu. Katiba yandikiirwo kwa muthungu. Tukireherwo, tukirwo twitikire na igitikirwo ni aria founding fathers. No yarehirwo na our founding fathers magitikira tondu yarehirwo riria mari ahumu muno tondu moimite mbara-ini ya ukombozi kana tiguo? Na mundu e muhumu nigetha ahumuke, ona mundu nimaruaga na mundu, ukoragia kai gutangiura muteithuranwo ni mbura ni uria muruire. Na riu ndurenda gusurrender no niurona wi mutorie no ndurenda gwika atia? Riu Katiba yasignirwo ni andu at a verge of surrender. Mahuritwo muno ni muthungu makahuma. Magigicaina nigetha mbara igithire. Riu tukwenda twandike katiba twi sober, twina andu aitu ona andu amwe ti ageni ona professor uyu ona angimuhe uhoro nimukuona niwa guku kwanyu Kinangop andu ao me guku. Riu ti andu ageni marandika Katiba nikio yerwo people’s driven Constitution. Ti ati ni mundu murona mukaigua tari mundu wa Nairobi. Uyu ni mundu wa guku andu ao me haha Tulaga aria mamui. Kuoguo Katiba ndirandikwo ni andu ageni. Ona chairman ni uyu waigua etagwo Yash Ghai aciariirwo bururi uyu.
Nikio turerwo Katiba ino yandikwo ni andu a guku moi mathina maitu. Tondu muthungu hindi iria atureheire Katiba ino, twareheirwo andu amwe metaguo chief, DO, na DC. DC ari muthungu na DO ari ki? Na cibu uria wari mundu muiru gwethagwo uria loyal to muthungu, uria loyal biu. Wira wao wari wa kuhinyiriria mundu muiru na kumwira athikire muthungu. Uoguo ari thu ya mundu muiru. Cibu aria twainheritire hindi ya independent makiriganirwo ati o ti cibu a muthungu, ni cibu wa mundu muiru. Riu tondu mena crown maDC, maDO maturaga mamuhinyagiriria ona kii? Na bururi uyu nduthukite ona waigua 89
bururi uyu thirkari io ya President ucio wiho igicabite uguo iracamba, icambite ni undu wa andu acio me provincial administration. Matiacenjirie, they still hold the colonia relics, colonial hangover iri o thiini wao, ati mundu muiru ni mundu wakuhinyiririo.
Magicoka ni ui hindi io nikio wonaga ona umuthi matiri metikira DO arute wira kwao. Na angorwo ni Kinangop no kinya kurehwo DO umite kunene nigetha ahinyiriria andu acio amatige na thina. Riu DO magoka makahurithania andu acio. Wira wa DO ni kuhurithania andu na munjumbe wao. DO oka akahurithania andu na councillor wao nigetha hindi iyo mutaraiguithania indo cianyu igeka atia? Nikio uraigua andu angi makiuga madam commissioner, mekwenda andu acio thiinii wa provincial administration accountable to the people nikio marasuggest mathuragwo. Tondu ringi ni mekureherwo DO, na ni mundu mugeni ona kuria aciariirwo matiui kana family yao na kuria oimite. Ungi okite na kuria aroimite ni kuiya araiyite no mangithura mundu ta councillor kana mundu ta munjumbe ta nii, mwambaga kumenya baba nuu, maitu nuu, twathomaga nau, ndaiyite nguku cigana rugong’o rwa gwitu. Ona angi makauga ‘sorry to say’ agimarire nau – ii kana ni mugima matingienda gwathwo ni mundu utari ki? No DO tutimenyaga magimarire nau nikio andu aya marigua me na thina muingi muno tondu hau niho, bad governance niyo ithukitie bururi uyu witu na ungiigua makaya macio moothe mari na andu aya commissioner mukiandika Katiba.
Uhoro ucio wikirwo uhoro-ini wa Katiba the President should be impeached ta uguo Njoroge oiga. Gutiri mundu wagiriire kuhinyiririo. Ninjiguire mundu ungi oiga haha ati o mekwenda Katiba ikwanikwo itakohera andu aria maiyite indo cia muingi tondu okorwo no unjitikirie-ri, bururi uyu witu ona hari handu hangi wahitaniire kidogo na wahitanirio ni mwanzilishi wa taifa hii, witagwo Kenyatta.
Hindi iria oire Katiba ino ya muthungu athane nayo, ndui kana niguo makiaririe uria gwathire gugituika niekuohera ngati na akihe ciama ciao mawira manene. Nikio gitumite andu aingi maturike ati ni meguthii guikara na andu aria maratuhinyiriria magietha mbeca. Magacoka moka na mbeca magatugura magakorwo no o anene. Maroiga atiriri, wahota kuigua mundu ungi ona uria muhinyiririe muno akiuga atiriri, nii ona Kibaki angiathana ninii ngakorwo ndi wa mbere ngithii gwake ndimunengere ciringi mirion imwe cia harambee gwa Kibaki. Kana tiguo moigaga? Mundu ucio angenirie muno njiguire oiga ati ithui tutiihaririirie tugie na Katiba itakohera andu acio nigetha matigaturike tondu riu ciana cia ngati ciaheirwo mawira aria mamuhuraga riu ona andu aingi ni maremirwo ni kuruta wira wa kwirutira. Wirutire urute wira wa guteithia bururi waku. Tondu uriugaga nii ngwirutira ciana ciakwa ciage guthii githomo na aria matarerutira ciana ciao ithome – igacoka iheo mawira. We cannot have patriotic people niundu wa giko kiu gia kwohera ngati – ona kaba ngati icio ingioheirwo na ciana ciao cikare micii. No cioheirwo ciana ciao ikiheo migunda iria minene na mawira maria manene nimo maturikirie ngati. No mumenye andu aya matiri na hakiri ta cia Kenyatta. Kenyatta ari muthuri mukuru ari na karisma nene gutukira, riu haria turathii, turorete bururi uyu, andu aria mararuta wira ucio matikoherwo tondu ucio niguo utumite andu a bururi uyu wothe uikare uguo uikarite. Ukonaga andu mararuta wira muritu muno no matiraheo benefit ciao.
Tondu ndikwenda kwaria muno ningwenda murute views cianyu, ngwendaga o kwaria tumaundu tuu tondu ni ndiraigua 90
problems cianyu irathii o thiinii wa governance. Niwaigua uhoro ucio wa iria, gutiri mundu utararia uhoro wa iria, farming na kii? Thina uria wikuo munene muno nitukwenda uguo niguo ndaigua hathomwo memorandum ya miceni ya kuria gugwitwo Magumu. We want a sovereign nation, ti bururi uri cukumagwo uguo ni the international organization ati you, we want you to liberalise this today, mukaliberalise. We want you to go global, mugeka. We want you to do this, as if we are not sovereign on our own. Tukwenda bururi wina sovereign ta bururi wa Ghana. Bururi wa Ghana marerirwo maliberalise cocoa industry, mararega, maroiga we cannot libralise our cocoa industry because its our life line. Riu umuthi uyu bururi wa Ghana ni mwega muno tondu cocoa ni maregire kumineana kuri mang’auro maya ma international community – gutiri mundu ungiuma New York oke eciria uhoro wa mundu wi Kinangop no ecirie.
Andu aya mokire riu tugitikira tondu tutiri sovereign turetikira turahenio turaliberalise industry itu ya iria, riu iria ni guitwo riraitwo. Tondu ni twa liberalisire industry. Riu-ri idea ya andu aya yari twaliberalise hindi iria turigia iria ritu riingi handu ha guthia ritu na kiganda gitu gi kundu gwitagwo Nanyuki tukariita kuara magaturehera mutu wao ni getha mone mbiacara kundu guku. What are we doing to our country? Point iria yaririo ni andu a mission iria ya Magumu ya sovereignity no kinya ikorwo ii very much entrenched in our Constitution that we should not be dictated by the international monetary fund. Njiguaga magiitwo international mother and father – i for international, m for mother and f for father but I don’t think they are international mother and father, tondu ni matuhinyiriirie muno. Ni undu these globalization na liberalisation ya economy ati nigetha andu maheo tubeca twa musaanda, ni mahinyiriirie andu aya muno tondu riu guku bururi uyu ti andu aingi marathomithia ciana. Because of that element of lack of sovereignity, that we can tell them ‘no’ riu ni iria turaita. Uhoro ucio ni turaigua ukiario ni andu acio muno, tondu tariu ungiigua makiaria muno umuthi no gukorwo ritinagurwo. Dairy industries iria iragura iria guku, maroka rucini rumwe makouga tutikugura iria, cokai nario. Makera andu thiini mwanirire makanitha, kiumia giki tukugura iria thiku ithatu, na inya muite gutiri undu mareka na iria riri. Niundu wa that issue. The government must be governed by its own rules and regulations but not actually allowing its economy to be controlled by the vagaries of nature. Ati gutigira economy yanyu weather. Ona weather ndikipredictikaga ukaigua ati ruciu ni gukoira. No riu twina thirikari ona utangimipredict. A good manager in management, is a manager you can predict – we cannot predict this government because it doesn’t have any control.
Com. Kabira: No ona andu a weather nimatwirage nigukura na gukaaga kuura.
Mwangi: Anyway ndikwendaga gukiria hau tondu onanii ni ngwenda thikiririe ni getha ona nii njuhohige na uria mukiugaga tondu turathii kumurepresent uria mukwenda no ni ngwendaga gukimwira uguo. Nii ni ndakena muno ni uguo mwoka na mwaikara na namba io yoka haha na njokerie madam commissioner ngatho. Ira aikarira giti rucini ndanokiriria na umuthi ndirona tari oguo riu kuma riria aingirire no araruta wira. Ucio niwira munene wa kwirutira tondu andu angi ni mangiugire thaa ni ciathira, thaa ikumi na imwe ni meguthii, muhurirei karuhi. Ona ira tondu niturari na commissioner ungi witagwo Wambua, ithui turathire lunch na Wambua turamutiga aikariire giti o giki, na ndiracoka ndirouma ngithii Nairobi ndiramugiga aikariire giti o giki – riu ni mundu uraruta wira wega na Katiba angikorwo ikwandikwo ni andu dedicated ta aya, we expect a good document. 91
Hindi iria Katiba ino ikwandikwo, ninjui kwina maundu maingi andu mararia – Katiba ino anga ndikurika, aya marauga uu, aya maoiga uu – reke nyamu ino yambe yandikwo tondu yandikwo ni mugucokerio. Nana tiguo amwirire? Muthomerwo muone uguo niguo mwoigira kana ti guo – mungikora tiguo mwoigire-ri, ni mukamiregera handu hau. Ni igathii kinya national constitutional conference, igigacoka kurehwo mbunge na mutikamakio ni iyo bunge icidentally hau hihi niho mutekweiritwo. Uria igetikirwo ni inyui yuke ii drafted thiinii wa mbunge mutikae kuhenio ni mundu, hatiri handu igacenjio ni mbunge. A Constitutional Bill is never amended on the floor of the house – you either reject it or accept it the way it is – ndiui kana ni mwanyita hau? (ii)
Bill iracenjia Katiba kana Constitutional Bill – ndi amendagwo on the floor of the house. Ithui ona korwo no ndimwire proper, mbunge twetereire murehe tuhure muhuri. It will be your document because okorwo turona itari njega, uria tugeka ni kumirega ii yothe. No tutingiamend kana twitikire ii yothe. So if they come up with a good document na ni mugukorwo muthomeirwo mwitikire thiinii wa conference iyo, we are only coming to kuhura muhuri nigetha igie na legal sactity ati ni yahitukirio ni mbunge. Uguo muthii na mbere na mawoni manyu ni ngwendaga kugweta tuundu o tuu tunini na nindakena muno ni guthikiriria na kuhe kamweke gaka madam commissioner. Thank you very much.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much. Ndireenda guthoma list ya andu aria matigarite. Dominic, Veronica, Samuel Mungai, Moses Mutua.
Samuel: Nii ngwaria nyihitie muno nigetha tunine. He watho urathengirio wa ciana, punishment thiinii wa cukuru. Ni kieha muno, tafadhali niucokio. Hau nindarikia.
President hinya wake niuninaninwo ona nii nguga hihi kungihoteka aheo hinya wa guthura ministers no arikia kumathura magaikara nao miaka 5 tondu hatiri wira marutaga ni undu wa kumwitigira. Aheo hinya wa to hire but not to fire. Thank you.
Uhoro wa pension naguo njuge ni gutige kugia na gap mundu a retire o aya marakuretaithia nimatume marua kuria gwa pension ati kuma rina nitukarekia ng’ania mumuoe kuma hindi na no mundu atige gweterera miaka 2, 3.
Makanitha-ri, nimatige kwandikithio maingi. Kanitha ingionwo manifesto yao niiraringana na kanitha muna-ri aria marenda kuhingura ucio kanitha-ri, nimerwo mathii kanitha ucio. Githurano giatangathwo-ri ona President niatige wira, minister niatige wira. Reke ministry itigirwo PS, nigetha tuhure kiharo, tugithurana hakorwo he kiharo level ti o marahurithia na noo marahura hau ti hega. Mbunge yafunjwo andu othe nimainuke magacarie miti. Ministry niitigirwo PS naguo bururi ona ungitigirwo Attorney General kana aria mangithurwo no guthii uguo.
Haria hangi Constitution, mawatho mahituka mbunge-ri, tutige guthii kwi President uhoro wagithira. Nduhurwo muhuri watho 92
ucio wambiririe kuruta wira tondu atwarirwo niguo mathiaga gucenjia kuringana na uria marenda. Riu kuoguo woni wakwa nikwirwo mbunge yahitukia watho ruciu-ri uhurwo muhuri o hau hau, rucio uroke kuruta wira.
African socialism niirekwo ithii na mbere. Ona handu hegie discipline. Mutumia ahuritwo ruhi rumwe ti undu muneene. Itige kuninwo biu. Ona muthuri angienda kuruga kanya kamwe ka njohi tomuhaka agire marua gwa chifu. We want African socialism. Itige kuninwo biu.
Haria hangi President no uria tukugite majority vote. Mangivotirwo mari aingi arege gukinyia nuthu, nimacoke na uria uma namba 2 nginya mone uria uma na vote nyingi at least ikire 50%. Asante sana.
Com. Kabira: Thank you. No kau ga atumia kuhurwo nduma serious! Ok. Thank you very much. Wachira.
Wachira: Ndiraria handu ha group ya anake a gicagi aria self-employed kuoguo ndirenda kwaria muno ni undu wa anake.
President akorwo e below the law. Akorwo e rungu rwa watho nigetha mundu ta nii akahota kumuthitanga. Mundu ta Waithaka niekuhota kumuthitanga. Na arange between 22-60 tondu angikorwo no hote kumobilize andu ndimahoe kura na mahe, reke ndimatongorie. Tondu currently ingiciria to vie presidential giti kiu ndingihota ona ndingitikirio tondu ndi below 35.
Mumbunge niaheo wabici thiini wa kuria arawakirisha tondu kikatiba ta riu tutiui tungiruta mumbunge ku, kuria ungimwetha officially. Reke tuheo jukumu ya kuvote a vote of no confidence na mumbunge witu angikorwo niekuremwo ni gututongoria na uria turaexpect.
Heads of government department na sectors reke macaguragwo ni mbunge nigetha makahota gutucagurira mundu uria uritutongoragia kwa ndege ni moi ni engineer munene niekuhota wira ucio. Reke three governing bodies ikorwo ciikaritie, Parliament, Judiciary, Executive, ciikarie kindu mwanya mwanya.
Reke micara ya andu aya a mbunge ireducwo, they are over paid. Hindi iria mundu umwe ararihwo in the same country ciringi Ksh. 4,000, uria ungi akarihwo over Ksh. 500,000, iyo ni injustice. Reke kugie na proper accommodation thiini wa police cells tondu ta riu inginyitwo na ndi suspect, kuria nguthii kurara hehoini na ndiri nyiki Gutingikomeka. Constitution reke yandikwo na language tuku-understand. Currently Constitution ona tutiui yandikitwo atia. Reke yandikwo na githungu na githweri ithuothe tukahota gwithomera. Ningi hau wongerere, reke Constitution tuprovidwo, Kenyans tuheo a copy, ukiheo kibandi ukaheo copy ya Constitution nigetha ugithomage.
Registration ya ibande – kibande na muti tukaheanirio hamwe at a time. No ti gukorwo ati ngwenda kibande githurano giakuhiriria ngwamba gwetha muti, reke tuheo hamwe. Ningi hagie na duration ya time ati kuma riria ndambirirria negociation 93
cia kibande ti njukage mwaka, mwaka ngerwo gutiri mbica, gutiri officer, gutiri nini. Reke hagie thiku iria ati ciakira ninguhota gutwara registrar ucio igoti-ini in fact 21 days.
Responsibilities – Reke iheanagwo kuringana na qualifications no ti gender issue. Reke mundu atige gutuika na responsibility nyingi thiini wa bururi niwe mwarimu munene, niwe muthigari, niwe whatever. Reke hagie na andu angi.
Resources – Reke ihuthirwo ni all Kenyans, example forest na rui. Ti a wonder gukora ati rui rumite Kinangop na ni ithui turugiririirie rutikae guthukio no ugakora gukurutwo mai guku magaserve Baringo na ithui twi guku tutiri mai ma miberethi. Reke government itugiriririe indo iria iroka kuma nanja. Angikorwo twahingura mihaka, example E.A. community igwitikiria indo ciuke tax free itugirie ithui iria turarima ituteithie, nikaba angieherio. Reke njuge guthondekwo anticorruption department na ndinarikia no ningi ningutigira hau.
Com. Kabira: We go to Daniel.
Daniel: Thengio muno madam ni undu wa gukurona tondu nyonaga ngathiti. Mwena wa structure and system of the government. Nguona gutige gucoka guthondekwo thirikari ina ministers ta 30 bururi-ini. Gwikirwo ministry ta 15 na gutikaheo ministers eri hari o ministry umwe tondu uyu no guoya wa kugia na andu aingi mwena wa cabinet ni undu wa guthura kuhotwo. Thank you.
Na nitungienda ministry ya cooperatives. O murimu uria uruarite thirikari ya guku wa kuhinyiriria arimi na kumathikagiriria hindi ciothe mathina-ini mao-ri no twende ministry ya Cooperatives igie ho. Na nii ndi chairman wa Abadare SACCO ndugamiriire andu makiria ya 14,000.
Uhoro wa Legislature – tukugathiriria ati constituency niithondekwo na uingi wa andu aria meho no ti acrerage. Tondu kuria Aberdare gutikaraga andu na no bururi. Guthiaga guthiage na andu aria mekuo – population.
Haha ni uhoro wa Executive. Nii ndingiuga President utari na kahinya ona kanini ati atuike uguo aretwo, no ninguona atige gutuika ena hinya wothe, ndakanagie na hinya wa gukinyira Judicial na ndakanagie na hinya wa gukinyira ningi waguikarira Parliament. No akorwo e President wina hinya na kugie na Prime Minister ungibutwo ni President.
Judicial iria ikuo niicambite. Inyui riu tondu nituramutiya muno commissioners aria mwikuo na mwina gitio kiu gitu no angikorwo ni muguthondeka uhoro wa judicial iria ikuo gucamba kuria icambite nikwagana tondu uria matwikaga nitumoi, guthondekwo judicial itekuingira ihaki uria kuhana today. Tondu riu mundu muthini ndari na haki Kenya.
Uhoro wa basic rights, madam commissioner, reke ituike ino ni haki ya wakulima thiini wa basic right, ati magetha make 94
nimekuheo gitio ni thirikari mendagio na arimi makoneka ni thrikari matinatunywo. Ungiria mukawa-ini no unyitwo na wohwo no ungitunya murimi mbeca kana iria nduri kindu ungikwo bururi-iniuyu witu ugutigwo oro uguo na utinde o uguo ona ruciu na oke gutiri kindu ungikwo. Na riu ni undu wa uguo reke njuge ni right imwe ya murimi atuike no agitirwo ni thirikari gutunyagwo. Keri thirikari iingirie kuona murimi niona market ta uguo iria ritari na mundu wa kumateithiriria kuona market instead nikugirwo murimo riendagio guku. Rikagirwo Australia, rikagirio ku. Ona noguo andu a cukari makionaga, noguo monaga riria urorira Mumias nao aria angi menaguo makirehe. Thank you nitondu we utuire guku naniukiui na thengio muno ni gukorwo nawe.
Kurikiriria, ni riri ni, thiini wa rights cia binadamu guku gwitu-ri, nituri na freedom of worship. Kuhoya Ngai no ithui ta christians thiini wa bururi uyu wituri, nitwagiriire ni kwira thirikari atiriri gutige kuhoywo ngoma na kwandikwo uguo Katiba merwo kuhoyagwo Ngai uria wombire thi-ino na iguru. Na ni thengio muno.
Kamau: Nii ngwaria briefly tondu ni kahinda ndahoya. Ningwenda kuga ati policy ciothe cia githomo igerage Parliament. Na Constitution iria tuguthondeka ndigatige any loophole ati a certain minister niegutigirio powers cia amendment ta iria yekirwo ya corporal punishment. Korwo niyathiite Parliament nimangiambite guthondeka guidance and counselling then manine corporal punishment. Kuoguo policy cia githomo igere Parliament.
The other one ni Customary law. Customary law iria twina cio imwe niikwenda gutuika nullified kana ituike uniform. That means tukorwo na watho ti ati mathai no athii thiini wa igoti na aikarire giti ena thimbo na mugikuyu aingira akerwo at ni oi watho. Gukorwo ndui watho tikuga nduhititie. Tukorwo twina watho umwe noti kuga ati Customary law na yugaga una you are one.
Hindi ya elections reke tudisolve-age Parliament na Parliament ikadissolvuo ni parliamentarians not the President. Na thirikari hindi io ikarugamirirwo ni Speaker of the National Assembly. Resources citu niiganywo equally. Ti kuga tondu tutiri a KANU na tutire a DP. Rais wa DP athana guku tutiri aho. We should have plans cia thirikari igakorwo itanyitanite na political parties.
Watho uria turathondeka riu ti wega tuuteng’erie nigetha ati ukabe elections iria igwikwo. Tutikwenda gukorwo na snap elections kana tuge tuguteng’eria Katiba nigetha ikabe elections iria irekwo. No. Katiba iria iho ya mbere no ihuthirwo na nituramenya ati yahitukitie Rais agathii terms 2 na io niguo tui. Kuoguo-ri tutikwenda kuga tuteng’erie ino, no, ino yagiriire guthii kahora na tuhuthire iria ya mbere kuringana na uria ihana.
Commissions thiini wa bururi uyu ni nyingi muno na tutionaga report ciacio.
Commissions angikorwo ni necessary ni
I-appointwo ni parliamentarians, MPs na tukona result ciao, igatangathwo. Uria kurathii Parliament, proceeding cia Parliament reke ikorwo ci live. Mundu ukwenda kwirorera akahingurira TV yake akona uria kurathii na mbere na uria kurario.
President ndagiriire gukorwo e iguru ria watho. Ona muhunjia agituhunjiria ndakoragwo iguru ria watho, akihunjia bible. 95
Kuoguo President ndari iguru ria watho.
Gutiagiriirwo ni gukorwo nominated MPs tondu nominated MPs ndangikorwo e neutral in any judgement. Arithiaga mwena wa mundu uria wamuappointire. Angikorwo aappointirwo ni DP kana kanu kana whatever party arithiaga mwena ucio wa party. And to make my speech to an end, reke locally available materials iprotectwo. Kuoguo import ya produce iria tungikorwo twinacio guku tutige kuimporterwo indo ingi. And if any, Parliament ikahitukia. Mundu no aruire giti kia rais angikorwo ena miaka 30 na ndathii beyond 70 years. Thank you.
Ngare: Nindamugeithia. Nii haria ngwendaga kugweta kana woni wakwa ni riri madam, no nyende kungihoteka munjokerie riu no ngene. Ta riu riria njikarite guku uu nituraigua uhoro wa mathina uria ukite kundu guku na uchumi uria twinaguo kundu guku. Angikorwo hakwa piu ingikwira na ndina aira mangikorwo me haha-ri, ta riu he muthuri waturaga miti na haha rugongo na ni yake. Yoka, thirikari iria iho yona ikamunyita. Nikii kiratuma mundu ucio akorwo agiteng’erio na haki ni yake enayo na mundu uria wariire billions and billions of money tuiguaga ari o kuo na e thirkari-ini na twauga niararia atwarwo igoti-ini, thirikari io iramunyita ikamureharehe, ikamunyita mbaru wega. Riu-ri thina uyu ugatuthira ri mundu ucio uraria billion 2, billion cia mbeca agakua hinya wothe no ari o thirikari-ini na ndangitwarwo igoti-ini. Na ucio wendia waru ciake kana karati kana iria riake niaranyitwo ii rehe permit, na akamire ng’ombe ciake, inake ucio wakuwa mbeca ciothe?
Wa keri ningwendaga kugweta twina thina ithui twinaguo guku. Hari sons ciakwa na itioete ibandi. No wathii na guku Rift Valley no ukuigua ibande no iroywo na guku tutiroithio. Hau umenye na hau unyite niki kiratuma ibandi ihingiririo guku Central na kuria kungi niiroithio. Ndiuma na maingi ngwendaga kwaria tondu maria maingi nimahutitio.
Com. Kabira: Ke explain hanini atiriri, mabururi mangi-ri, nikuri mundu uthuragwo witagwo office of ombudsman. Ta riu uguo woiga selective application of the law, ii ati mundu wina indo nyingi eka undu uria we wikite tondu wee wi muthini ukaherithio ni thirikari. Na tondu ni thirikari irahitiria muraiya mundu ucio witagwo ombudsman akoragwo agitetera raiya mangikorwo nimaraherithio ni thirikari. Wanjuria kiuria andu mangika atia? In the interest of the Constitution-ri, that would be the kind of recommendation that could be necessary. Ii angikorwo niuraherithio ni thirikari tondu at present tutimenyaga ungithii ku.
Hon. Mwangi: Ngiguteithia madam, Bill iria turadebate mbunge riu, I think it is also to continue for debate today it is on the human right bill iria ikuestablish a board iria iriroraga abuses of human right equivalent to office of goodsman. Nio i mbunge riu. Riu akorwo ni iguthii kana niiguthii through, yathii through riu gucagurwo director, chairman na andu angi 8 aria megukorwo mena powers ta cia judge. Kuu nikuo turitwaraga mateta maitu.
Ona wahingirwo borithi hatari na gitumi warekio wainuka ugathii wabici io ukareport nindirahingiirwo borithi. Nao aria magoka makona wahingiirwo na njira ya makosa. Riu nitugwikira provision thirikari nirihotaga kuriha compensation kuri mundu ucio wahingiritwo na mahitia.
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ukunyitite agatuika sur-charged kuma mucaraini wake tondu yarihia thirikari yahota kurihia raiya iria itahititie tondu ni igoti ria raiya. Ndui mbia cia thirikari ni igoti ria raiya? Kuoguo ingirihia thirikari ni kurihia raiya. Turendaga gusurcharge the person who did it and that bill is now in Parliament.
Wahungu: Ni thengio muno. Mawoni makwa ninyandikite na ngwenda o kuhutia ciongo iria ingienda muno Constitution itu irumirire. Wa mbere ninyandikite uhoro wigie preamble na niyo gitongoria gia Constitution itu ngimiuria istress muno iguru ria ritwa people kana andu aria mahutitie muno uhoro wigii thirikari. Kuoguo uhoro wigii Constitution ino undu bururi uyu ni wao na nio meyandikiire.
Com. Kabira: Ndirona wina memorandum yambiriire preamble kinya muico?
Wahungu: Ndirenda guthoma ciongo.
Com. Kabira: Highlight them.
Wahungu: Citizenship niyo ya keri. Ndina ingi ya gatatu ya Land and property rights kana ihoto cia migunda na gukorwo mundu ena indo ciake. Defence and national security na haha no nyende muno kuhutia o kaundu kanini tu. Kuga ati nindiroria Constitution itikire kwaga kuhe President hinya wa kudeclare emergencies no ika-approval ni mbunge ni ambunge aitu tondu nio tuhete hinya ucio.
Ucio ungi ni uhoro wigii political parties. Ciama citu cia uteti ikorwo ci ithatu tu na iria cina mwerekera wa gukuria na guturia bururi witu. Structures and systems of governance. Mutongorerie uria thirikari itu yagiriire gutongoria.
Io ingi ni the Legislature – uhoro wigii mbunge na hakwa mwene nii hete ambunge aria twithuriire hinya. Na ngoiga mwena wigii Executive niyo ya kanana. Nindimuhete hinya wa ku-appoint no ningi subject to approval by parliament maundu-ini mothe. Nii gitio kiu gia President ndirenda kumuima no ningi naiagituikite too much.
Io ingi ni Judiciary – yeheranirio na maundu macio mangi mothe.
Separation of power. Itindie na kugie na Khadis
manominatagwo ni Muslim Council nayo approval no ya mbunge.
Io ingi ni basic human right na haha no nyende gu-stress kaundu o kanini. Uhoro wigii gitio kia umundu urumirirwo muno.
Cultural ethinic and regional diversity and communal rights – uhoro wigii nduire citu. Andu amwe matigacoke kuheo wiyathi wa kwendia njuguma na hiu na aria maracigura manyitwo nacio makahingirwo.
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Envorinment and natural resources.
Liberalisation – uhoro ucio ni mwarie. International relationship, mbunge itu itikirio kana iheo hinya wa kumenya nia twagiriirwo gutwarana nao. No ti mundu umwe agacoka ningi mamenana akoiga mundu ucio tutiri ndugu nake. Asante.
Kagiri: Niwega muno ni undu wa kuona kahinda kau na niwega ni nii njitagwo Paul Kagiri wa Kamunyi na gwitu ni guku. Ni ihinda riega muno tiga no undu maundu macio tutangihota kumanyitithania mothe hamwe. Kuri andu amwe maritie maundu maria ona nii nguiguaga ngienda kwaria. Na nindamakenera muno ta maundu macio ma kuga President anyihirio hinya. Tondu hinya ucio wahetwo President wa mbere wari wa andu mari single party. Single party nikuga mundu ukurutwo thuruari akahurwo ni ithe. No mundu angicoka agurane-ri riu ari multi party ndingicoka kwiragwo ni ithe ruta thuruari nguhure. Riu riria turoiga President anyihio hinya ti kuga turoiga uru andu aria moigite uguo ona nii ningunyitanira nao kuga President anyihio hinya. Nigetha tweherie kanyamu getaguo tribalism na kangi getaguo corruption. Na icio ni minyoo igite thiini witu ithuothe ona inyui andu a Katiba no ta muri ona miyoo ta mukwenda. Ni uhoro mwega, rekei turorane wega tondu unginjira ndina kihuti na hau-ri, niwanjira uru? Githi ti undute color io yaku ti njega. Ndunanjira uru. Andu acio riria uraiguaga magiatukana amwe moima kwa nyayo, angi matiuma kuo, tutiraiguaga wega. Nituronaga ona inyui muri na icio tureta worms na nitukwenda na inyue mwirute tondu turathii itura ritagwo global nirio Ngai egucokera. Tutiguthii handu hangi, mundu athimitwo na 5 tu. Ngwendaga kuga atiriri, uhoro ucio wa kunyihia President hinya ti muru tondu riu turi andu civilized. Ithui tutinghihota kwiruo ruta thuruari nguhure ta kaana.
Naguo undu uria ungi ucio twarikia kweheria wa ati President anyihio hinya tuke ucio ungi turoiga no muhaka andu – ni nii wahurira ngengere? Tuge ni ninire thaa? I am very sorry. Riu ndingikiaria maundu maingi ngwendaga kuga atiriri, undu uria ungi ni uyu wa kanitha. Kanitha andu nimaciikire limit no tigai kuga ngoma ati eherio. Ungikihura mubira nau? No ugitigwo kiwanja giaku wiki? Ngai oigite niwe mwiroreri andu acio maroiga ii kanitha wa ngoma reke ngome ake ingi, nigetha umenye ma. Tondu riu tungiuga mbunge ithii Waithaka wiki no ta single party. Ni uhoro wa ma? Ninjui ti andu aingi moi turahura mubira na shaitani na nietikiritio nigetha mundu wa ma oimire. Uria mwihokeku biu tiga kuona kiremba, tiga kuona color ya father no niugucio ni ciugo njega na Ngai niwe ukerorera. Undu ucio mureke kanitha ingi. Ndi hakuhi kurikia no ungirwo woe andu aya othe umahike ndungimahota. Reke amwe matwarwo kwa ngoma matindikwo, magicoka kuma mamenye ma.
Katiba ni imwe tu, Ngai atuheire imwe natukimibreak. Atwirire twi gwake riagai irio icio no mutikarie uria. Tukibreak. Akiona ii andu aya ni ainamu uguo nimabendete nimatwarwo kwa ngoma makambe kurutwo. Nikio urona twina miyoo. Waithaka aiguo kuo akegaira mbia nyingi. Githi tutirerwo nimaregaire nyingi? Ona nii ndingiikara kuo ngiuge he ici irahura maguru-ri reke njoe. Ona ndi muchristiano ningwenda kuoya. Tondu ni njui andu aya nimanogete muno, rekei tutigathii muno.
No uria ngwenda ningi mwike nigetha tuhote kuhingira ngoma icio kiugu na twikire ruriri ruega ni mugunda. Mugunda ithui ni ithui twaruire. Nii ndiraikarire miaka 5 itari ndona kaana gakwa. Migunda nii njoheirwo Nyeri andu akwa me Rift Valley. Na 98
ni uhoro wama ucio ngumwira. Ndimwire migunda mutikae gwitikira ona inyui andiki a Katiba mutigetikirie mundu ahitukie ika mirongo iigana? Arahitukia ageke atia nayo? Andu amwe mena migunda irariyo ni ndarariki na nduu. Anake aya matindaga guku magietherera tukiosk na migunda io nieritwo uguo. Gutiri muthungu weritwo acoke guku. Tungirua nawe ni undu wa mutumia wakwa ugucoka guka kuhoya irio niki? Twaruire tukiuga aca. Mundu akorwo mugunda ndekuhota niaurelease gwi thirikari. Akiria acre 50 ithii na kuu iguru etio igoti inene nigetha ndakauigage uriagwo ni ndiu ni nyamu naguku. Mugunda tu mumenyerere. Ucio niguo ukunina corruption. Anake aya mone.
Wa keri ni thigari iria turatuire nacio cia muthungu na iratrainiirwo Kiganjo giki. Itiri ciaratha mundu. Muthigari ndagetikirio kuratha mundu kuma hau coka na iguru. Aratha mundu kuma hau akaranga haria kibendero tondu nimekumbanira muiritu uyu mari eri, ombanire na mwanake ta nii nake ni muthigari niekundatha nigetha atiguo. Undu wa kuratha mundu ni raithi muno. Thigari ciitikirio irathe mundu kuma hau na ikorwo iramuratha akiura. Ndikamurathe na mbere imurathe na thutha. Undu ucio nimarutitwo muno na ni kwenda gwika corruption. Riu nitungiakiaria muno tondu ningiiguire ndiuma kuo na mundu uria ukaga thutha oyaga mara. Niturionana ringi Ngai enda. Nitukaria uhoro ucio wega nigetha tuuharirie wega. Tigai reke shaitani arute wira nderitwo ndakarute. Shaitani ahetwo tuingiranie goal.
John: Nii ni nii ndetwo John Njuguna na guku nikuo gwitu Engineer. Mawoni makwa nimoima maingi no tondu gutiri na ihinda nguthii hiuhitie. Ngwete hanini, hanini, ndigakihurirwo ngengere itarikitie. Wa mbere ninguonaga kiria kiratuma tuge Katiba iria ikoretwo kuo ti njega ni tondu twetha democracy kuo thiini wayo niturona gutiri. Tukona democracy niyathirire kuo na tugeciria ni wega twethe Katiba ingi ina democracy. Na nii ngirora nindirona democracy twambiririe gwetha ciama-ini iria turathondekire cia gisiasa tondu nicio turoiga itwethere democracy na itingihota gwetha angikorwo cio nyene ti democratic. Na njira nguhi ngona niciagiriire kwanza ciambe ilimitwo itigare ta ithatu muno ni undu wa kunyihia ukabira tondu kabira citu nimui ni makiria ma 40 na o kabira niihanaga ta irenda guthondeka kiama kiayo. No ingikorwo iri ciama 3, gutiri kiama gitegukorwo gitukanite kabira ciothe. Riu ngona ingikorwo iri 3 niikuhota gukorwo cinyihitie ukabira.
Undu ucio ungi ni ati ni ikwenda ikorwo i democratic na njira ya guthondekerwo regulatory body kana njira ya guciroraga. Na korwo Electral Commission niyo irarora ciama icio no ihote gucicekaga. Undu umwe ni uhoro wa kumenya o kiama nigetha gituike registered kina hihi ta registered member maigana atia? Hihi ta kuma 500 kana 1,000,000. Ninguonaga ati nikiagiriirwo gukoragwo nikiracokia return yakio ya maundu makio o mwaka. Akorwo mwaka ni uguthira na kiama gitirahota kuga githiite atia mwaka mugima, kiama kiu gigakanjwo nigetha igathii inyihite.
Undu uria ungi kiama kiria gitangihota gwika githurano gia kio kuringana na manifesto yao kana Katiba yao uria moigite marikaga githurano maremwo ni gwika githurano kiao national, kiama kiu gigakanjwo. N anjira io ciama icio ni iguthii inyihite na itigare ciama ta 3 iria igukorwo ikihota guthii na mbere.
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i-regulate-agwo ni President we mwenyewe. Angienda kuga uria gugwikwo niguo gwikagwoo. Nokorwo ni gugukorwo na timetable, ithuothe mundu wothe niarimenyaga githurano gigakorwo ki mweri 29 December na hatiri undu ugatuma gitire. Angikorwo nigigatira ni kuri watho ungikirwo aheane notice mbere ya muthenya ucio ta mieri iigana una ati githurano gitiikiritwo haria twikagira nigiacenjia. Undu uria ungi nigikorwo kina calendar yakio. Akorwo ni Parliament ikorwo na calendar yayo ati yambiriria mweri muna, ikarika mwaka muna, mweri muna na ikahingwo mweri muna yani igie na calendar ya uria iguthii miaka io 5. O mundu wothe niarimenyaga akorwo ni mweri wa ina, gutiri mbunge ni hinge tondu calendar niguo irouga.
Undu uria ungi nguonaga itangienda gutigirira ni uhoro wigii land policy. Ni ingienda kugie na land policy na akorwo ni mugunda mundu etikirio akorwo na mugunda uria arahota ku-utilize. Akorwo wina mugunda munene ika 10,000 na arahota ku-utilize ika 1,000, ucio ungi urihagire igoti. Akorwo ndukuhota kurihira igoti, thirikari iwoe igaire andu aria matari na migunda kana iwoye iutue large scale farming.
Undu uria ungi nguonaga ni ati thirikari niibatie gusubsidize urimi thiini wa bururi uyu tondu thi iragithii o icekehete, ikunderete tutingihota kuga mabururi maria mangi marasubsidize urimi wao moke kwendia indo ciao guku, na moka mendia guku gwitu na citu ti subsidized citu igukorwo ina goro na twiguraga iria tondu cina raithi, citu ikora. Uguo thirikari nibatie isubsidize citu ona cio isubsidize indo ta fertilizer, akorwo ni ndithuru na kiria kingi, thirikari igatuteithia kuriha ngarama imwe nigetha kindu kiu kingigatuika gia kwendio, ugakorwo thogora wi thi ni getha ikahota gucompete na iria ciumite mabururi ma na nja tondu tutingiuga matikarehe ciao tondu ona ithui niturendia citu nakuu kwao. Ke ndigire hau, yuma nene no tondu thaa niciathira, ke nyambe ndigire hau.
Com. Kabira: No niugutunengere?
John: Ndikwandikite wega no point.
Com. Kabira: Hatiri thina nituguthoma.
Ngatia: Thank you. Njitagwo Martin Waweru Ngatia. Uhoro ukonii anake na airitu. Mwanake ahutia muiritu kana mendana na muiritu-ri na amutwarire aciari, mona mwanake ni mwega-ri, aciari nimatige kumurega angikorwo mwanake niamwitikirite, marekwo maikaranie. Na uyu niundu umwe niurarehe thoni muno ati mwanake agweta ati ucio niwe mutumia wake na wa utoro wake, aciari moiga matikumwenda, mwanake akaforcwo akombore nyumba. No uthire gukombora nyumba ndukumuiga guku. Guku ni gwakwa na ni nii nguga.
Undu uria ungi, anake maheo limit na metikirio kuhikania Moi tondu anake maroria kuhikania makerwo atiriri wambe utware ruracio, wambe utware giki, no nginya urehe mori. Muiritu ucio tumurerete na hinya muno. Ni anyuite iria riingi muno guku, nitumuthomithitie, macio mothe. Hakuhi wiruo kinya urihe kinya iria riria ongire ni muthaka muno. The other way, anake 100
marekwo mahikanie meke mohiki kanitha-ini. Akorwo mwanake ndari na kindu, niarekwo ahikanie o uguo atarii agethe indo tondu indo nigwethwo ciethagwo. Ta riu mwanake wa kuma na cukuru-ri, akinina miaka 3 nduri mwandike ucoke uge niukuhikania, wonane na muiritu, wathii kwaa muiritu nimakwihitiire. Uyu muiritu turerete na hinya, uyu utangirehe mori haha ina ihu rironeka ndungimukua. Nake nyina agekinya, urehe ciondo ithatu, thaburia acuragia ngimurugira, urehe thaburia inya, ngio cia guku niciathirire, utige warehe ngio na iti cia gukandira migate. Undu ucio ukorwo null.
Customary law citu ikorwo cii preserved na njira ino. Angikorwo muiritu nimuhiku, ndakagairwo mugunda tondu undu uyu niguo urekira airitu hinya ati wona ahika oige atiriri ona ndiragairwo mugunda na haria. Wangia-ri nitakuweka chini bwana. Ngucoka o haria ngarime. Ino ni kindu kimwe kiratuma kugie difference of marriages mutirarora no muroiga atiriri, muiritu wakwa ningamuhe mugunda. Akagairwo ika 5. Angikorwo murume niahetwo mugunda ni aciari ake ndakaheo mugunda mwanake uria menake ndakaheo mugunda kwao. No angikorwo muiritu niahikite magicoka magitigana na muthuri we na magitigana wega magitigana biu ena ciana, niaheo mugunda. Angikorwo atigite ciana kwao, onakuo niaheo mugunda.
Uhoro wigie githomo ingiuga atiriri hakorwo hena hakorwo hena cost sharing githomo gia primary na secondary tondu hau hatikoragwo he horu muno. No university, government ihote gukorwo ikirora maundu macio from the treasury. Undu uria ungi ingiuga ni atiriri gwakinya ni kwandikanwo andu matige kurorwo na thithi kana matige kurora kana we wi mugikuyu kana wi wa kabira uriku andu mandikwo kuringana na uria mahitukite. Ta riu ungirora ta Central Province-ri guku gwakinya ni intake ya thigari kana njeshi-ri, ndiui nikii kiroragwo. No ungithii ta Rift Valley kinya mathai meragwo inyui niinywi thirikari ino igithii-ri tumetige ni muona ha kuriira ruriri rwanyu.
Undu uria ungi ingienda kuga ni undu ukonie customary law. Andu nimaikare thi, akorwo nita Gikuyu maikare thi andu mathondeke customary laws ciao, marore kuria megucenjia na kuria matangicenjia. Iria cigucenjio icenjio iria itangicenjio cirekwo cikare o uguo. Laws icio icoke inengerwo thirikari ciirwo ithui twi ta agikuyu-ri maya nimo maundu maria turona magiriire na maya matiagiriire. Uguo turiathanaga na customary laws citu ona tukirumagirira sheria cia bururi, mawatho maitu mari o ho. Thank you.
Com. Kabira: Thank you very much Mr. Ngatia. Riu ngwiciria that was the last person na nii ngwenda gucokia ngatho muno niundu wanyu kuingira kwa uingi na gutuika patient the whole day na kuruta mawoni riu ona warora maundu maria mothe maritio no wandike Katiba. From the hearing, andu a Engineer nimurutite mawoni maingi muno. Kiria gukiri ni kumupromise uguo tukwaritie mbere ngakorwo ngicollaborate na Mwangi tondu ona gutuika ndigakorwo na vote, commisioners don’t have votes during the constitutional conference but I am sure Mwangi naiarapromise maundu maria mekuma constituency niagasupport. Kana tiguo? (affirmation) O uguo tugire tondu national constitution conference uguo mwaigua niyo ikamake decision and then Parliament will enact Constitution. Kuoguo nindagikena muno ni gukorwo guku na gukora andu me very highly educated. I don’t know niki kiratuma andu moige nimarenda civic education na andu ni ogi muno. Ngwiciria riu ni ngusurrender for the day njite district coordinator nigetha atuhiingire mucemanio. 101
District Coordinator: Thengiu muno. Njitagwo Njuguna wa Gikonyo ni nii ndiracoordinataga uhoro uyu thiini wa district na muthii mwire andu aria angi nindamutuma kuri o, uyu tiguo muico no tuguthii na mbere na kuoya memorandum. Please mwire andu aria angi ati uyu tiguo muico kuria muthiaga kanitha mwanirire kanitha-ini ati uyu ni kiambiriria. Uhoro uyu wa kuoya memorandum ukahinguo mweri wa itandatu na kuu muico. Nituguthii na mbere na kuoya na o location ina mundu ungioya memorandum io andehere Nyahururu. Kuoguo uyu tiguo muico, uyu ni kiambiriria kiega. Na ningumucokeria ngatho kuria mumite tondu nindakena muno, ndiraugaga nimuguka uguo no nimwabunja record. Mutikihurire ruhi, nimwabunja record.
Ira turari Ndaragwa kiroko na turoka kuria Jabini, kiroko tuma Samata, gutiuma na andu aingi uguo no guku nikwangenia muno. Ngwita father Mwai atuhoithie. Niturugame ni undu wa mahoya.
Father Mwai: O uguo ndarikia kwirwo ni commissioner na andu aria me haha tuhoe nigetha tugitigana twire Mwathani arathime maundu macio moothe twarikia kwaria. Kiu nikio kiriro gitu kiria turaririra Ngai na niagatuhotithia. Na njira ino ya kuhonokia bururi witu wa guku thi ni getha tuikare turi andu ega guthondeka Katiba ta io na ni getha mundu wothe agakena na akaiguaga ati nimuiganiru na bururi uria atuhete nitui Ngai niatwendete. Kirekei tuige ngoro citu he Mwathani na undu wa mahoya.
Ithe witu wa matuini ni ngatho turathii na mbere na gucokia ona gukumia ritwa riaku na kuga wi mwagiriru, ni gukorwo ni utwikaga maundu mothe mega. Niwe utubangiire muthenya uyu wa umuthi, ugakorwo wi muthenya mwega hari ithui, muthenya wa gukuririra tugikwira niturenda Katiba njega. Rathima maundu maria mothe twaritie. Igua kiriro gia ciana ciaku cia Kenya ona kuria kungi guothe sehemu cia bururi uyu aria maruruta mawoni mao, reke Mwathani wira ucio ndugatuike wa tuhu. Turakuhoya thirikari njega na nigetha maundu maria mothe andu a Kenya marikoragwo makienda matuike ma kuhingio. Kirathime ona aria othe marakirutithia wira ucio, aria maratuthomithia, ona aria maratuteithiriria kwandika maundu macio, wiheani uria wothe menaguo ona kuria marateithio ni thirikari. Marute wira ucio mena thayu na mena urumwe. Nitwakwira tugikinya gutigana, tugicoka cikaro-ini citu, twarana na ithui na nigetha tugikinya micii itu tukore maundu mothe me mega utumenyereire.
Bururi uyu witu wa Kenya uri andu aingi muno na a mihiriga miingi nowe Mwathani utunyitithanitie na rwendo ruaku. Reke ruendo ruu rukoragwo rukonekana na ni getha mundu o wothe aheo gitio kiria wendete. Na turahoya na macio me manini, tukimenyaga we niutuiguaga tondu niwatwirire hoyai na ni mukuheo. Twahoya twi moko-ini maku o ritwa-ini ria Kristo Mwathani witu. Amen.
Meeting ended at 6.00 p.m.
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