now that i have Jeff on board lets here from the rest of you

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	"Smith, Jeff" <Jeff_Smith@AFCC.com>@ENRON [mailto:IMCEANOTES-+22Smith+2C+20Jeff+22+20+3CJeff+5FSmith+40AFCC+2Ecom+3E+40ENRON@ENRON.com] 
Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 12:00 PM
To:	'Kevin'; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Quigley, Dutch; Dan Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds
Subject:	RE: Franchise Players and the Draft

Dutch's suggestion would alleviate all of Kevin's points below.  Whether we
snake after that is another issue - the top three rounds are more important
than the back to back pick issue.

> -----Original Message-----
> From:	Kevin [SMTP:klyn@pdq.net]
> Sent:	Thursday, September 06, 2001 11:09 AM
> To:	Smith, Jeff; 'Kiske, Chris'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael
> Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff Ullrich; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds
> Subject:	Re: Franchise Players and the Draft
>
> Actually the draft order was determined by a vote and is not subject to
> change...this year anyway.  The idea behind it was to not let someone keep
> a
> franchise player (generally one of the top 5 players overall) and then
> receive possibly the fifteenth pick overall in the draft...thus getting a
> top 5 player and the number one pick in the next round, while someone that
> does not keep a franchise player in theory could get the last pick of the
> supplemental round and the last pick of the first round (number 14 player
> and the 28th player)...too much of a penalty to one team.  Of course this
> is
> all subject to vote and can be changed for next year.
>
> Kevin
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Smith, Jeff" <Jeff_Smith@AFCC.com>
> To: "'Kiske, Chris'" <Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com>; "'Kevin'" <klyn@pdq.net>;
> "Ty Servello" <Ty.Servello@OAG.STATE.TX.US>; "Mike Deluke"
> <michael.deluke@us.pwcglobal.com>; "Michael Currie" <mcurrie@tcta.org>;
> "Jody Spottswood" <Jerry.Spottswood@COMPAQ.com>; "Jeff Ullrich"
> <jeffu192@cs.com>; "Grant Johnson" <johnsogc@bp.com>; "Dutch Quigley"
> <Dutch.Quigley@enron.com>; "Dan Wienserski" <DG_SKI@email.msn.com>; "Chris
> Kiske (Home)" <ckiske@austin.rr.com>; "BJ Naman" <b_sting91@excite.com>;
> "Andy Reynolds" <Andy_Reynolds@panda-law.com>
> Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2001 10:43 AM
> Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
>
>
> > The snake thing is good and bad.   But I think the first round should be
> > randomly selected for ALL teams because the current way gives those not
> > keeping a franchise player a double benefit by picking in the
> supplemental
> > and then also at the top of the first round.   Theoretically the non
> keeper
> > teams are getting the 8-14 best players who are arguably also franchise
> > players.  In effect by not keeping a player you are randomly selecting a
> > lower level franchise player.  So they shouldn't get the an automatic
> shot
> > at 15-22 or whatever it might be as well.  So snake or no snake all of
> round
> > one should be random order.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kiske, Chris [SMTP:Chris.Kiske@arbitron.com]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 9:59 PM
> > > To: 'Kevin'; Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody
> Spottswood;
> > > Jeff Ullrich; Smith, Jeff; Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> Wienserski;
> > > Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Kiske, Chris
> > > Subject: RE: Franchise Players and the Draft
> > >
> > > As the creator of the algebraic mean sequenced draft order that was
> built
> > > to eliminate the inherent advantage that the #1 & #14 teams had by
> getting
> > > back to back picks every other round, I think the time for
> mathematical
> > > preciseness has passed.  I'm all for going to a simplified traditional
> > > snake system.  Frankly, at this point I think there are as many
> > > disadvantages to being 1 or 14 (or 2 - 13) as advantages that it all
> works
> > > itself out.  Hell, if it makes preparing for the draft any easier (or
> > > administering the league), I'm for it!
> > >
> > > PS - I'm for keeping TE's too!
> > >
> > > (Somewhere, Rick is rolling over in his grave)
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Kevin [mailto:klyn@pdq.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2001 5:53 PM
> > > To: Ty Servello; Mike Deluke; Michael Currie; Jody Spottswood; Jeff
> > > Ullrich; Jeff Smith (E-mail); Grant Johnson; Dutch Quigley; Dan
> > > Wienserski; Chris Kiske (Home); BJ Naman; Andy Reynolds; Chris Kiske
> > > (Work)
> > > Subject: Franchise Players and the Draft
> > >
> > >
> > > The following is the list of franchise players that have been kept:
> > >
> > > Grant Johnson - Eddie George
> > > Jeff Smith - Peyton Manning
> > > Michael Deluke - Marshall Faulk
> > > Michael Currie - Edgerrian James
> > > Jeff Ullrich - Kurt Warner
> > >
> > > I know this was brought up last year and we kind of decided much of
> > > nothing...but does anyone object to going to a snake system for the
> draft.
> > > 1-14, 14-1 for the whole draft?  We will still have a supplemental
> round
> > > for those that do not keep franchise players.  Then the non-franchise
> > > teams will pick in opposite order of the supplemental round for round
> > > one...thus if you pick first in the supplemental round, you will pick
> last
> > > (for those that did not keep franchise players) in the first round.
> Then,
> > > the teams that kept franchise players will be randomly selected to
> pick
> at
> > > the end of the first round.  After the first round, the draft will
> snake
> > > back the other way with the last pick in the first round getting the
> first
> > > pick in the second round and the draft will continue in this snake
> order
> > > until the end of the draft.  Let me know what you think or if you are
> > > confused.
> > >
> > > See everyone at the draft!!!
> > >
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > >