 their place and their role that they envisage in society. Mr. Benjamin has given a whole palette and we can see this misunderstanding of the position of the state. So we have dialogued with these victims. We are today at 35 prolonged interviews under the form of history of life, since I am an anthropologist, and we are working on the long term. And in this context, I will synthesize from my scientific and university point of view, so maybe,