Skip these. No, really. I'll tell you why

The pens seem to be fine. I just got them and they feel good, the line is nice, no idea of durability. But the problem with these pens is the monumentally stupid packaging. They came in a gigantic box-- 5 1/4 by 6 1/4 by 18 inches. For thirty pens? I verified this: they do not even HALF FILL a box 6 by 4 by 4. But the needless plastic container holds the pens IN A ROW--thirty pens long-- which makes it necessary to use a huge box-- mostly filled with plastic packaging. They don't show you (above) the pens in their package. And for good reason-- it's just the dumbest thing ever. It's as though they were *trying* to maximize plastic waste and *trying* to be as inefficient as possible in shipping terms. Whether the pens are any good or not, we will NOT be buying them again.

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