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According to him, only emigration from Europe and the establishment of their own state would be freed from constant humiliation by Jews.


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[11] Theodore Herzl, Father of the Zionist Movement In 1894, a young central European journalist Theodor Herzl (1860—1904) faded into the plight of the Jews during the trial of French captain Alfred Dreyfus, after the anti-Semitism of French people thought to be libertarians had raised his head.


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Herzl concluded that Jews would be liberated from persecution and blame only in their own country.


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He began a campaign for the establishment of a Jewish state and wrote a 63-page pamphlet The Jewish State (1896).


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Herzl founded the Zionist World Organization and in 1897 organized the first Zionist Congress in Basel.


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The cause of Zionism grew rapidly, and Herzl gained supporters, especially from Eastern Europe, where the Jewish people had the weakest status.


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He also sought support from the Sultan of Turkey for the establishment of Israel in Turkish-ruled Palestine, and later from England, who, upon Herzl's death, became the actual midwife of the State of Israel.


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[12] The first Zionist congresses and the Uganda Plan Theodore Herzl had planned the first Zionist Congress to take place in Germany.


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However, Jewish leaders did not want anything to do with separatist Zionism, so the Congress was held in Basel, Switzerland in 1897.


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The first congress was attended by 204 delegates from 19 countries, and Herzl said afterwards that he had founded the Jewish state at this very first meeting.


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Zionist congresses were initially held annually, but later less frequently.


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At the 1903 Congress, Herzl proposed Uganda as a temporary homeland for the Jews, of which Britain had offered him territory.


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Despite vehement objections, Congress decided to send an expedition to Uganda.


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Herzl died the following year and with opposition from Eastern European Jews, the Uganda Plan was also buried.


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[13] Trends Zionism itself has split into more trends.


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In the 1930s, the left wing of the Zionist movement rejected the “political Zionism” founded by Herzl and driven by Chaim Weizmann, based on the fact that the Jewish state needed to be established by appealing to the international community or major powers.


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Labour Zionism So-called Socialist or Labour Zionism arose in the Jewish labor movement.


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Its adherents were predominantly Marxist atheists.


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It was based on the fact that a state could be established with Jews settling in Palestine and the state-building kibbutz movement and class struggle of the urban proletariat.


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Labour Zionist organizations included the trade union movement Histadrut and the paramilitary Haganah.


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Leading figures in the movement included David Ben-Gurion.


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Religious Zionism The founder of Religious Zionism was Rabbi Abraham Isaac Kook, who defended Zionism in the Torah and urged Jews to colonize the land God promised to the Jews.


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The re-establishment of the Jewish homeland would bring reconciliation to the world and lead to the return of the messiah.


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Religious Zionism is now combined with modern Orthodox Judaism.


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Revisionist Zionism Revisionists were a group led by Ze'ev Jabotinsky who called for the creation of a Jewish army in Palestine in order to force the British to accept Zionist ambitions.


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Labour Zionists viewed the movement as fascist.


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Political Zionism Also some Christians and non-religious are Zionists.


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Criticism of Zionism Condemnation of discrimination Many, especially in Arab countries and the far right but also on the left, interpret as Zionism the imperialist cause of Jewish domination.


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There were efforts in the participating countries of the United Nations General Assembly to define Zionism as racism because, based on a national religion, accepting its principles could be discriminatory against other nationalities.


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The United Nations General Assembly, with a majority constituted by developing and socialist countries, declared Zionism a racism and form of racist discrimination in 1975 (General Assembly Resolution 3379).


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The background was Israel's failure to recognise Ethiopian Jews as Jews, as well as Israel's close cooperation with South Africa and Rhodesia.


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The resolution was repealed in 1991 (Resolution 4686).


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Anti-Zionism Opponents of Zionism are called anti-Zionists.


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Also, some Jews oppose Zionism.


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Already, they say, the Jewish state in itself is anti-Jewish faith, and its ambivalence with Judaism is heightened by Israel's perpetration of human rights and war crimes that are contrary to Jewish ethics.


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However, state-wise, Israeli citizenship is based on the Zionist idea that any Jew is eligible for Israeli citizenship, which takes a few months to obtain.


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Many anti-Zionist Jews have been active critics of Zionism and the state or politics of Israel, and also initiated boycotts of Israel.


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List of known gay and bisexual In the article a list of known gay and bisexual men has been waging a war of editing as to whether the homosexuality of persons should be mentioned if a source for the issue is found.


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Nowadays the article mostly mentions about if the person is bisexual, which creates the assumption that other persons are homosexual.


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However, only mention of a person's relationship with a person of the same sex has been used as a source in a number of cases.


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There has been no consensus on the subject in the debate, so I would welcome opinions from people so that consensus can be found and the pointless editing wars can be stopped.


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—109.108.29.229 March 29, 2015 at 2:26pm (EEST) Notes column-filling and usage is random in my opinion.


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I don't know what its original purpose was, but it seems abruptly labeled if you're bi or queer or “ambiguous”.


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The purpose of the list would not necessarily suffer if the entire column was off or then its contents had to be (redefined) and possibly filled in for each person with something to point out.


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Now if you put gay or bisexual in the column, then what note is it when you compare the list to the title? —Htm (debate) 29 March 2015 at 4:31pm (EEST) It is in refinement.


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Perhaps the name of the column is misleading in this regard.


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—109.108.29.229 29 March 2015 at 4:45pm (EEST) There may be some other comments.


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(I don't take a position now on whether or not there should be a full column.)


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In many cases, information is also incomplete or uncertain. —Urjanhai (debate) 29 March 2015 at 4:53pm (EEST) In the discussion of the article and also in the definition it seems to have been previously stated that if the source only tells about the relationships of persons but does not give a state which definition should be used, then the column value would be blank for this purpose.


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If a (reliable) source uses a specification, then one could use the specification.


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Else would have their own research (i.e.


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if it is told that a person has a relationship with a person from family X, then this does not yet include specifying which sexual person he is, since more than one orientation allows for a relationship with ko.


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to a person of sex).


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On the other hand, those who have held this view have said that another possibility would be to omit the whole additional comment.


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And some sources are not sure either, see.


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e.g. sources under Hjalmar Linder, and sometimes different sources may have different estimates (cf.


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Adolf Hitler's sexuality).


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The definition of the EN-wiki list is similar, but perhaps a little more clearly expressed.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 29 March 2015 at 4:52pm (EEST) For historical figures, the criteria for reliability of sources are apparently more lax.


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Of course, one can consider whether, for example, a person who has told them they had been in a relationship with someone of the same sex should be added to the list at all, because experiments with youth do not always determine a person's sexuality at an older age.


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—109.108.29.229 March 29, 2015 at 5:20pm (EEST) How about the ancient Greek people?


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There was a bit of a culture-related gay.


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GoPase+F (debate) 30 March 2015 at 01:08 (EEST) Living by cultural norms is nothing worth listing.


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Although, even then, it was assumed that when they grow up, they would move on to the giving side: I suppose it would be possible that contemporaries could be found, where you would find some sign of the pernicious and shameful lifestyle of a character when not, like a real man, but rather to be deferred and not even Come on keep it a secret.


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—Pitke (debate) 30 March 2015 at 08:10 (EEST) Yes, I don't think the whole list would be needed, but it must have been voted on.


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Your point is fine, but I wonder if it would mean creating some article of that style other than List of known individuals criminalized because of their sexual orientation tjsp?


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—Feathers (debate) 30 March 2015 at 09:39 (EEST) It has been voted on, so there is no need to return to it again.


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—Elena (debate) 30 March 2015 at 11:14am (EEST) So well the majority was in favour of removal last, and yes we can return to this too (vote again) if the Community sees it necessary.


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Now the list is in an intermediate state where the article is not deleted, but since formatting and data parsing are ultimately decided by a majority vote, it is quite possible (and normal) that the list will be truncated and condensed.


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(Last hand, a blank article may be formatted, which is retained by a delete vote.)


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GoPase+F (debate) 30 March 2015 at 11:44am (EEST) It reminds me that apparently I have only dreamed that I have made an article List of Icelandic great beasts when not found in the removal log.


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—Feathers (debate) 31 March 2015 at 2:11pm (EEST) A mere list of names is sufficient (all pointless out of the article).


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Moreover, all guesswork away, that is, only clearly outsourced information to the article.


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GoPase+F (debate) 30 March 2015 at 01:08am (EEST) I have in ancient times combined this list from two separate lists (List of known homosexuals and List of known bisexuals).


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The comments column has been intended to include if it is known that the person is specifically bisexual or homosexual.


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I'm also fine with removing the column altogether or changing its name to Refinements.


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(On the other hand e.g. For Mannerheim's daughters, the remark probably stands.)


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—Elena (debate) 30 March 2015 at 11:14am (EEST) Well, I am a little confused by the fact that if the information is source, why should it be removed from the article.


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—Feathers (debate) 30 March 2015 at 6:11pm (EEST) I am persuaded to agree with Urjanhai, that is, the column would be a focus and if there is no exact statement about the trend, then the column would remain empty.


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The content of the column should be clearly defined that all editors have an idea of what to put in it (then I can't decide which point to put my vote on).


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—Htm (debate) 8 April 2015 at 9:47pm (EEST) I guess the idea is that you need a source for a trend that says a person's orientation clearly.


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I think even a person who has told you at different times that they are in a relationship with both the opposite and the same sex cannot be automatically defined as bisexual because relationships can be an experiment and a search for their own identity.


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—188.67.244.14 April 10, 2015 at 6:04pm (EEST) Opinion Polling I am now starting a directional opinion poll to see a slight statistical breakdown of opinion.


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Of course, you may add other options if you don't find one to your liking.


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You can vote on preserving the entire article separately, meaning the default for this vote is that the article is preserved.


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Changing the name of the column may also be considered later if it is decided to keep it.


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The rest of the comment therefore means in practice, for example, the uncertainty about sexual orientation in the case of A. Mannerheim.


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“Focus for everyone” would mean putting some short reference on each person on the list about how their sexuality has been brought up, for example “dating a woman”.


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—188.67.31.12 31 March 2015 at 1:30pm (EEST) Is this a so-called approval vote, that is, can it be put in more than one?


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—Feathers (debate) 31 March 2015 at 2:05pm (EEST) What does the approval vote mean?


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I'm sure you can put it in more options as well.


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—188.67.31.12 March 31, 2015 at 2:11pm (EEST) It is my own just invented word, comparable to the approval election that is in use e.g.


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in the election of the Arbitration Commission.


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—Feathers (debate) April 1, 2015 at 10:10am (EEST) If this vote has the premise that the article will remain, then why is one option “you can delete the entire article”?


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I think it would be better to address these two issues separately.


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—Elena (debate) 31 March 2015 at 6:03pm (EEST) I see the usefulness of the article at the same time in an open opinion poll in such a coffee room.


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However, we must remember that, for example, deletion of the list has been considered reasonable by more than half of the voters.


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For example, if the opinion poll was on the discussion page of the list, the option would not necessarily make any sense.


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GoPase+F (debate) 31 March 2015 at 6:08pm (EEST) Please start discussing the usefulness of the article.


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However, it is unrelated to the topic of this query, so I deleted the column you added.


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Let's have discussions on the development of articles and how to remove them separately.


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—188.67.31.12 March 31, 2015 at 7:13pm (EEST) As there seems to be a will for the complete article to be deleted, I initiated a deletion vote on it.


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The purpose of this vote is to develop the current article if it is decided to save it.


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—188.67.31.12 March 31, 2015 at 3:46pm (EEST) The delete vote link in the comment changed.


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—Pxos (debate) 10 April 2015 at 10:13pm (EEST) The article will be kept according to the result of the vote, that is, if anyone still wants to express their opinion on the content of the comments column, it would be good to express it now, then we can reach some sort of solution.


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—87.95.2.43 April 8, 2015 at 2:24pm (EEST) Are those years of life and professional dresses required?


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What is the purpose of these columns?


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GoPase+F (debate) April 8, 2015 at 3:51pm (EEST) They give some context about the time in which a person is affected or influenced and what the person is known for (not everyone can be expected to know known persons).


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Compare, for example, with the idea that the list also helps to see the gay-bisexual spectrum.


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—188.67.244.14 April 10, 2015 at 6:04pm (EEST) The delete vote link in the comment changed.


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—Pxos (debate) April 10, 2015 at 10:13pm (EEST) Bisexuality, queer or other note is mentioned, no homosexuality (current de facto practice) Homosexuality, bisexuality, queer or other note is mentioned —Elena (debate) March 31, 2015 at 6:03pm (EEST) If there is a source.


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—Feathers (debate) April 1, 2015 at 10:11am (EEST) As long as there is a reliable source.


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—Maria Virtanen (debate) 20 April 2015 at 2:22pm (EEST) —Thi (debate) 20 April 2015 at 2:43pm (EEST) I think this would be logical.


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—Veli Hämyinen (debate) 5 May 2015 at 8:52pm (EEST) Only the other note will be mentioned —Elena (debate) 31 March 2015 at 18:03pm (EEST) For all persons, we must accurately report such abnormalities.


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—Homelight (debate) April 8, 2015 at 4:09 p.m. (EEST) —Otrfan (debate) April 8, 2015 at 4:24 p.m. (EEST) This list deals with trivia information and essentially satisfies the information seeker's need for access to such trivia information.


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We best serve the information seeker when characterizations of the quality and nature of sexual orientation are brought to this list as accurately as possible from the secondary source used.


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GoPase+F (debate) 8 April 2015 at 4:43pm (EEST) The full column will be deleted in accordance with the —Elena (debate) 31 March 2015 at 6:03pm (EEST).


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GoPase+F (debate) April 8, 2015 at 3:50pm (EEST) Activity in intelligence.


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—Htm (debate) 17 April 2015 at 05:07am (EEST) —Thi (debate) 20 April 2015 at 2:44pm (EEST) Separate opinion poll The whole article can be deleted, after all, is roughly as useful as List of well-known tobacco consumers.


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—Geohacker (debate) 31 March 2015 at 3:06pm (EEST) —Home light (debate) 31 March 2015 at 4:28pm (EEST) this best matches my own view.


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GoPase+F (debate) 31 March 2015 at 5:44pm (EEST) I am in favour of freedom. —Cultural Navigator (Debate) 31 March 2015 at 10:06pm (EEST) —Esamatti1 (Debate) 1 April 2015 at 08:53 (EEST) Such a list does not seem necessary.


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—Savir (debate) 1 April 2015 at 08:58 (EEST) Primarily like this, the mud over there is already going to be a proper removal vote.


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—Feathers (debate) 1 April 2015 at 10:12am (EEST) —Osbournehutch (debate) 1 April 2015 at 10:14am (EEST) Just in case, here too, my reasoning.


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on the ballot.


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—User:Language Militia 1 April 2015 at 10:21am (EEST) When Finland is incorporated into Russia, the authors of the list are guilty of torture.


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—Sofie de Twigs off (debate) 18 April 2015 at 2:06pm (EEST) The deletions of the article are processed in accordance with the deletion policy and this was not a vote in accordance with it.


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The article was subject to a delete vote, resulting in the article being retained.


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Thank you all for contributing. —Htm (discussion) 17 April 2015 at 04:54am (EEST) Quotes and how to correct them I sometimes use individual phrases taken from books in articles, to show someone's thing true.


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Occasionally, some users have an enthusiasm for tinkering with quotes, which does not quite seem like a proper action, because the corrected phrase does not always express the point clearly it originally expressed in the book.


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The quoted author has had his own personal way of telling about something and his own words describe a past event or thing best.


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What do you think, is it generally necessary to tinker with quotes?


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Enter O (debate) 26 April 2015 at 9:27pm (EEST) Can you get a few examples of corrections?


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GoPase+F (debate) 26 April 2015 at 9:45pm (EEST) In my opinion, it is not right to correct the language of direct citations.


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The correctors may not notice the quote as a direct quote.


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On the other hand, sometimes the activities of these language custodians seem manic and sometimes the reasons for corrections are difficult to identify.


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Occasionally, I may even have had to return substantive after language maintenance.


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Language Guardians work within the Wikipedia rules, so they can't but be appealed to do some thinking about the content of articles before correcting.


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Vilkapi (debate) 26 April 2015 at 22:05pm (EEST) Original text by Alexei Akimov: Yakov Sverdlov asked me to take the telegram to the telegraph, which at that time was located on Mjasnitskajankatu, adding that I should be very careful when sending it”.


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Corrected text: Yakov Sverdlov asked me to take the telegram to the telegraph, which at that time was located on Mjasnitskayankatu, adding that I should be very careful when sending it”.


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This example is not yet the worst, but here you can understand what I mean.Enter O (debate) 26 April 2015 at 10:23pm (EEST) Pointless correction.


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GoPase+F (debate) 26 April 2015 at 10:32pm (EEST) So.


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Perhaps it would be good practice for direct short quotations not to be corrected in vain, that the original quoted text and the language appropriate to the time were left intact.


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They could verify that they are the same as the source book.Anna O (debate) 26 April 2015 at 10:43pm (EEST) Although, in the above case, Akimov probably didn't write originally in Finnish?


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If you do not want to specifically highlight the translator's version when quoting, I think the corrected translation is as acceptable as the original one (and a little clearer, since “adding” could in principle also mean the activities of the telegram exporter, rather than Sverdlov's, which is intended).


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In the general case, of course, indigenous quotes should not be touched in particular.


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-93,106.10.71 April 26, 2015 at 11:19pm (EEST) The culprit comes forward.


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The Finnish translation was apparently from the book, but even in the bibliography there is no indication of the Finnish author.


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The Finnish producer is Kari Klemelä, and she may have been in a hurry when she has left such a bubble in it, and the cost supplier has not repaired either.


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II inf.


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the instrumental is much misused, but the prevalence of the error does not make it more correct ().


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In the original Russian text, there can not be the same error, because the structures of the languages are different.


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As ip says right there, the danger of misunderstanding is obvious too.


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Translations aren't authorised in that way that you can't fix clear mistakes.


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The issue did not change in the correction, but became clear.


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Give me an example of my worst correction and let's discuss.


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—Clubfoot (debate) 27 April 2015 at 2:18pm (EEST) A further confirmation of the Finns hurry: “Finished from the Russian-language script,” which explains all other (possible) errors.


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Besides, the Finnish translation was made in 1992, so the work of the translator has also had time to change.


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At that time, checking things required calling specialists, nowadays everythingsource of information is on the desktop.


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—Clubfoot (debate) April 27, 2015 at 2:43pm (EEST) Can that even be true.


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Is wikipedia such a conscientious and accomplished editor that he checks the validity of translating the augmented information, comparing the translation used, to the original language of the sourcebook used?


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In this case, both English and Russian.


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If any wikipedia editor does such a precise job, they are something much more than the rest of us wikipedia editors.


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It takes so much time and work that not many users can do that. Anna O (discussion) 27 April 2015 at 8:16pm (EEST) Nicholas II's article already goes to file a comma.


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That is, let's continue filing.


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That text by A. Akimov is by no means written by Akimov.


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It was written based on an interview with Akimov by A. Smyšlyayev.


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Radzinski is informed of this interview by Akimov from Nikolai Lapikin, director of the Progress factory museum.


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In his letter to Radzinsky, Lapikin explains what Akimov said in due course.


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Radzinski does not suggest that he had even received a copy of that document kept in the museum, but bases his writings on the narrative presented by Lapikin in his letter.


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178.55.154.128 April 28, 2015 at 11:15am (EEST) I comment on Nikolai's talk page.


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Move over there as far as Nikolai is concerned.


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GoPase+F (debate) 28 April 2015 at 11:40am (EEST) It can of course be debated whether the translator's linguistic error can be corrected in the citation, but even if the initial text uses II inf.


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instrumental (I don't know Russian and I don't know if there is one), in Finnish it is not used like that, so in good language.


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Fixing it, of course, doesn't change the issue itself.


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Before you've read the link I provided (), it's a little tricky to talk about.


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—Clubfoot (debate) 28 April 2015 at 1:23pm (EEST) How else does English have to do with this if the starting language was Russian?


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—Clubfoot (debate) 28 April 2015 at 1:23 p.m. (EEST) Proposal: Add a quote written in the original language after the translated quote with age as reference.


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From there, you can check it out if you want.


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E.g. <ref>AlsGregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte, fand er sich in seinem Bett zu einem ungeheueren Ungeziefer verwandelt. </ref> —Gwafton(debate) 29 April 2015 at 00:10am (EEST) It would probably be too difficult to get this original Russian script of which Klemelä has made a translation.


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It must be with Radzinski somewhere that, of course, that's what you could ask of him.


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If it had stayed with Kari Klemelä, then it would be more accessible.


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87.95.110.85 April 29, 2015 at 11:12am (EEST) Well then but good advice on where to find this script in Russian.


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87.95.110.85 29 April 2015 at 11:29am (EEST) Need to open this matter a little In <HH poistettu> the printed book, the text Klemola has translated.


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Because of the haste, he has been hammered in front of the script stage text, and along the way there have been changes by letter and telephone before the initial text has gone into print, and poor Klemola has had to tinker with the work he has already done.


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If you find a script, so what, then you're talking about a different text.


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In addition, it doesn't matter what the original text says when the structure is a traditional hurry.


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Sometimes rarely a translation may have changes to the initial text, but then the translation is not made from the manuscript, but errors have been seen in the already finished text that have been corrected for the translation.


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Probably these explanations won't help you understand it either, but could you please stop harping on an issue that is perfectly clear to a professional.


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—85.76.13.42 29 April 2015 at 11:58am (EEST) Fortunately, the passage about A. Akimov has now been completely removed from the article by Nicholas II.


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This was a desperate attempt by Radzinski to come up with evidence out of his own head against Lenin.


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Such “evidence” made up from someone's own end should never be accepted into Wikipedia, not even in the case that the “inventor” is a public figure.


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87.95.110.85 April 29, 2015 12:38pm (EEST) Can someone explain why edits are mysteriously disappearing here?


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Last lost edit made by IP 85.76.71.12: “Clearly you don't know anything about compiling.”


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Already found out that HH.


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37.136.6.91 29 April 2015 at 5:48pm (EEST) Yes, it would be good to have Kari Klemelä's comment as well.


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the use of the book as a source is dubious.


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188.67.210.60 On 2 May 2015 at 3:07pm (EEST) Sputnik News, the official Russian state news agency Sputnik News started a Finnish language website a couple of weeks ago.


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Even before here it has been used a few times as a source.


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At the very least, there is reason to be critical, that is, another source to look at.


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On the other hand, I personally wouldn't use it as a source for anything - just in case there won't be an Atlantis mok.


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The HS links contain assessments of that, and in particular, the comment of the President of the Public Word Council is eye-opening in its neutrality.


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—85.76.67.144 29 April 2015 at 10:22am (EEST), as far as I can tell, there is no need to use that as a source for anything.


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That cannot be considered to be a reliable, independent source.


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GoPase+F (debate) 29 April 2015 at 10:31am (EEST) At least from HS today's Sputnik online publication, JSN Chairman Risto Uimonen's point of view, says that: “I understand Sputnik is a similar channel to what has traditionally been the BBC's world service or in the Arab world Al Jazeera.


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There are others like this in the world.


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In their own way, you can think that CCN and Fox are equated to this, not as directly as the previous ones.”


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So Uimonen does not see that there are differences between those seeking governmental influence and non-committed communication.


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Two of those interviewed, Jukka Mallisinen and Hanna Smith, think that it's all about change.


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Smith: “" Previously there was an effort to tell a positive story about Russia.


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Now the intention is to tell an alternative story about the West.


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The purpose is to disperse the “West” as a unified group and thus strengthen Russia's position in world politics.


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At the same time, make your own problems seem smaller.


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Affecting citizens through not state leadership.”


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Smith's guideline on how Sputnik should be read seems reasonable to me: “... you have to read the whole story, not just the title — then you better cope with the absurd side of the whole.


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The information is then worth mirroring to other articles/sources of information on the same issue.


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If you find contradictions, then you know that there are many views on the subject.


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Your own position needs to be built on more sources of information, not just one or two.


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Thirdly, Sputnik is part of the Russian state.


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That's where you tell things the way Russia thinks things should be dealt with. '


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Jukka Mallisen also sees the positive side of the issue, Sputnik can be read as in Soviet times Pravda.


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Already around the time of the Bronze warrior 2007, it was seen to introduce positive perspectives on Russia as sources of information, as if for balancing reasons.


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There has been somewhat more of that in connection with the events in Ukraine.


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In connection with events in Crimea and Ukraine, Wiki has also seen a lot of over-the-top references, often only a link and title are published on the subject.


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This is a bit like going against Hanna Smith's instruction to read not just the title but the whole thing, even if it's a link to the source of information.


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Especially in current affairs, we should be able to add accuracy to the references: who has written it, published it, in what media, which news agency/agencies and when.


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The notability and reliability of Wikipedia depends on the amount of use of data sources from third parties, i.e., non-party sources of information.


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The same can be said about commercialism, advertising and marketing in any field.


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I suppose you can't deny that, but the editors need to take note that the premise of Sputnik doesn't have enough to do with that third party. —Cultural Navigator (debate) 29 April 2015 at 1:06pm (EEST) In Paper magazine, interviews are much more limited, and Uimonen's position comes out differently, sharper.


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You can see that what is said is important, but also what is left unsaid.


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—85,76,150,102 on April 29, 2015 at 5:32pm (EEST) Still from Sputnik.


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I suppose there are quite a few actual state news agencies in the world today, which is why Sputnik and Russia as a whole feels backward and its powerful presence is linked to the country's foreign policy bulge and internal politics.


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Beginning early in the Cold War, its other party, the United States, sought to indirectly support those entities, foundations, and institutions interested in introducing the country's perspective.


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This was logical because the other party Soviet Union supported state institutions to push their case.


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During the Cold War, Finland was a more important target for propaganda from both the East and the West, as well as perhaps one who understands itself.


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In a different confrontation, the time of which is now beginning again, it is important to try to influence those who have not decided which side they are on.


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Whether “governmental communication” is directly or indirectly supported by the state, the purpose of this is to influence people, and in it the neutral perspective and the actual communication of information can remain low.


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For example, according to one eyewitness observation, if true, in eastern Ukraine you might stage entire combat situations, paint tanks and dress soldiers in Ukrainian emblems and then invite the “pro-Russian” press to the scene.


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The difference between unbiased and biased information is that there is always some effort to verify and verify the information, images and events of the former.


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The latter can be based on non-verified information and social media is unfortunately an opportune platform for unverified information as well.


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Unbiased and accurate communication is sometimes identified by “not being able to verify the issue”, etc.


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The fact that no information can ever be unbiased in absolute terms does not justify adding any propaganda as a source of information or seeking to move away from neutrality.


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On the other hand, no source of information per se guarantees the accuracy of the information, but must be assessed on a subject and source-by-subject basis.


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Those Hanna Smith instructions above are good to me, even if they require a wider knowledge of the matter.


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Often Wikipedia tries to reinforce some point of view by adding multiple sources on the same issue.


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If the source does not bring substantially new information or perspective, it is pointless to repeat it.


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The advent of Sputnik may indeed be a good thing, according to Jukka Mallisen's observation, because it publishes stuff in Finnish and at least the content of the information is linguistically understandable and its motive clear. —Cultural Navigator (debate) 29 April 2015 at 7:20pm (EEST) All sources need to be critical.


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Wikipedia has some wondrous slogan “universally trusted or reputable” tjsp.


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that doesn't mean anything at all.


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I don't trust e.g. Yleen or Hesar, or especially the tabloids, any more so when you get into these Sputniks, but I suppose they can be used with some discretion as they did so far.


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—Feathers (debate) 30 April 2015 at 12:37pm (EEST) Feathers' comment is surprising to the fact that Finland is the top country for press freedom, Russia ranked 152.


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Finnish tabloids publish whatever they want within the framework of freedom of expression, but yes, in my experience, they are telling the truth, the subject matter is crooked, and the headlines highlight things that don't matter.


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—ABC10 (debate) 30 April 2015 at 1.01pm (EEST) Great, but that's why all sources should be critical.


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The skeptic's attitude is healthy here.


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One should not believe that any source of information is reliable, but neither should we go into secret plots or blindly trusting.


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Is source criticism a bit of an unnecessarily solemn word, would it be better not to talk but to evaluate sources of information? —Cultural Navigator (debate) April 30, 2015 at 3:39pm (EEST) for ABC.


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Firstly, according to whom Finland is the top countries for freedom of the press?


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Well yeah, we're allowed to post whatever crap you want, but is that freedom of the press?


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I think healthy censorship is better freedom of the press than this situation that through the press gets one's opinion out as if “unbiased” only for big money.


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And yeah, I'm not pro-Putin except in relation to alternatives (Zjuganov, Žirinovski).


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It must be expressed whenever you try to say something credible in modern Finland, even though our national project before the capture of YLE has never been to overthrow the heads of neighbouring states.


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—Feathers (debate) 1 May 2015 at 10:33am (EEST) Reporters Without Borders.


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It is, of course, an organisation leavened by Western freedom of expression.


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But you can actually make comparisons between Finland and Russia on freedom of speech.


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In Finland, you are free to set up a magazine and write whatever you want.


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My obviously distorted view is that in Russia it is not long possible.


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In my lifetime, no magazine has been abolished in Finland because it contains the wrong type of writing, so the authorities have not abolished it.


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The Torvik of Hentusen Truth died mainly from lack of authors, readers or subjects.


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Hentunen himself, though, received fines for anti-Soviet writing.


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—ABC10 (debate) May 1, 2015 at 7:48pm (EEST) Mm.


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I don't know your lifespan, by which I mean the one behind you.


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I, too, wasn't born until after the wars.


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Instead, before the so-called wars, magazines were abolished because of the wrong idea as unlawful.


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Now they are ceasing to show up for lack of readership and funders.


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Whether the magazines are reliable and reputable on the basis that they have a lot of advertisements is an ideological question.


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I can't worry about it any further, but I would like to thank you for your interest right up to the answer.


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—Feathers (debate) 4 May 2015 at 2:31pm (EEST) Normal source criticism is the responsibility of each editor.


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I don't care what you use as a source.


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GoPase+F (debate) 30 April 2015 at 4:23pm (EEST) Agree firstly with the latest of GOPASE+F.


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Your own judgment needs to be exercised.


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If now that own bubble is causing some blindness, is it worth worrying about it to the point of insanity?


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As long as the media states their own source, you can get to the modifier on controversive topics like Israel/Gaza or Ukraine easy.


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But it is quite problematic if you start to distribute states' own information to reliable and unreliable (e.g. Sputnik/Yle/BBC) Wikipedia shouldn't be a tool for making politics, but an unbiased and objective encyclopedia.


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—J. Sketter (discussion) April 30, 2015 at 5:09 p.m. (EEST) “Articles may contain only information published in a trusted source”.


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Sharing sources into trustworthy and unreliable is baked into policies, and the issue is in that sense a requirement for every wikiwriter.


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Tar.


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—Rice porridge (debate) 5 May 2015 at 00:24am (EEST) — I suppose it can be used as a source, though it should always be mentioned, for example, “according to Sputnik News”, etc. J.K. Nakkila (debate) 30 April 2015 at 5:27 p.m. (EEST) It was possible to respond to current practice and “can live” with it.


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I think it would be fucktarded to put all that with Yle or Hesar.


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Sputnik isn't impartial to me either, but neither are those others.


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—Feathers (debate) 4 May 2015 at 2:34pm (EEST) If the investigation of the reliability of sources is carried out at such a rough level that YLE and Hesari are equated to a publication about which the President of the JSN declares “there is close to propaganda, or at least it is coloured information, which is openly acknowledged” the outcome is very impractical in a wiki writing sense.


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Furthermore, I would like to see a more general justification for that parallel, i.e. a comparable instance opinion on YLE and HS.


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Among other things, em. Referring to the opinion of the JSN chairman, one can call into question whether Sputnik News is a “reliable source” as intended by wiki policies.


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I think the criticism it receives at the expert level is that it cannot be considered any more reputable than reliable.


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Tar.


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—Rice porridge (debate) 5 May 2015 at 00:24 (EEST) — But is JSN a neutral entity?


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It does not represent the Finnish media, that is, Sputnik's competitors.


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I think it is naive to think that there would be media outlets that would not color information.


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The way Helsingin Sanomat colours information was studied by Katri Vallaste in her doctoral dissertation ().


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-Uusimies (debate) 5 May 2015 at 20:24 (EEST) JSN is not a publication but a self-regulating body set up by the Finnish press (the publishing side and the journalist side).


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The view expressed by Mr Uimonen is not JSN's official position on Sputnik but in response to a reporter's question.


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JSN can't even take a position on Sputnik's writing in the sense that the Finnish papers have, it's outside of its jurisdiction.


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—ABC10 (debate) 5 May 2015 at 21:55pm (EEST) The President of the JSN can, as Mr Uimonen stressed that he would, as Mr Uimonen stressed that he would do.


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The importance of JSN is not diminished by the fact that it is formed voluntarily from a media committed to respect Council decisions, practically contrary.


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According to wiki policy, the essential question is whether Sputnik Newspapers is considered reputable and trustworthy, and that's where media expert reviews are a viable point.


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Both Risto Uimosta as a person and the president of JSN as an institution must be regarded as an expert in the field of media.


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The message does not reflect reputability nor that Sputnik Newspapers is considered trustworthy.


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—Rice porridge (debate) 5 May 2015 at 10:45pm (EEST) — I had already forgotten what he said, but as such JSN does not have the opportunity to comment on its content.


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—ABC10 (discussion) May 5, 2015 at 11:14pm (EEST) How to read Sputnik, that is, simple instructions for source criticism Read the title and article carefully.


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The first cautionary symptom is if the headline doesn't have coverage in the case.


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Is the article written or translated in impeccable, fluent language?


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Do the photos or videos released in connection with the case seem authentic?


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Is the name of the author of the picture, the photographer, mentioned in the context of


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Has the caption mentioned where and when the photo was taken?


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If there are persons in the picture, is the reader told who they are?


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Compare the case to other articles and sources of information on the same issue.


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If there are conflicts between them, then there will be many views on the subject.


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However, don't try to “validate” some thing by referring to the same information in different sources.


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Build your own position on more sources of information, not just one or two.


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Well-known news agencies include AFP, Reuters and The Associated Press.


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The leading news agency in Finland is the Finnish Information Agency, STT.


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This information can be important especially in Wikipedia's time-by-time articles.


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Consider the date of publication throughout the event timeline.


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Please mention in the source reference if possible: author's name, story title, link to it, publication, news agencies, publisher, publication time and publication language.


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If a story is posted online, use a web reference template.


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If the content seems ambiguous, but the story contains information that you think is relevant, write e.g. “According to Reuters...” —Cultural Navigator (debate) 2 May 2015 at 1:14pm (EEST) In that ropla, which is well thought out and has a lot of the matter, it should be reminded that the Reuters, AP and AFP you mention real pearls are private and therefore not directly by any state in control.


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Privacy is in no way a guarantee of impartiality.


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Will the debate now begin about whose control the states are under or not to start?


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And are we prepared to regularly increase these “according to YLE” throws?


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—Feathers (debate) 4 May 2015 at 2:41pm (EEST) In that booth, which is well thought out and where there is a lot of it, I do not believe that private ownership guarantees impartiality.


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Nor is it guaranteed governmental control over the publication, as there are numerous examples of governmental propagation.


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Reliability must be considered on a case-by-case basis.


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This message was delivered via the tool to Disturbing link: patrol I noticed that some articles read down below: New pages patrol: Mark as checked the first version of this new page.


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Previously, there was no such thing.


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I'd like to get it out of view, as it interferes with reading and editing.


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—Raid5 (debate) 6 May 2015 at 10:06pm (EEST) You have emerged as a patroller.


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I guess nobody has complained about it before, so maybe Zache can tell you how to hide a link by changing your own css file or if it was now a js file.


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—Pxos (debate) on 6 May 2015 at 11:32 p.m. (EEST) <div class='patrollink'> appeared to be a .patrollink {display:none;} or something somewhere in a css file it deemed appropriate.


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—Anr (debate) 6 May 2015 at 11:38pm (EEST) I do not know html, I have made my edits either by looking at instructions or following the example of others.


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I don't want to do any maintenance work, so could the patroller right be removed from me without hiding the link.


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I try to develop Wikipedia otherwise as well as I can.


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—Raid5 (debate) 7 May 2015 at 00:42 (EEST) Unfortunately cannot.


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The Patroller is coded at the software level and it comes forcibly when you meet the conditions (an ID over 100 days old that has made over a thousand edits) and you can't get it off with anything.


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The link does not need to be clicked ever and will only appear on those new pages younger than 31 days.


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It might stop interfering with time.


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—Pxos (debate) 7 May 2015 at 09:51 (EEST) Then you have to get used to it or hide it.


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Thanks for the instructions.


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—Raid5 (discussion) 7 May 2015 at 11:12am (EEST) Wikimedia Suomi ry projects and funding We have started a website on the association's wiki where we can present and develop future projects together.


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Everything is by no means ready and therefore I would welcome comments, development proposals, participation, etc.


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The category Projects lists ongoing projects and projects we hope to launch.


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From the infoboxes there are links to the project page, where it is intended to compile all the administrative matter related to the project: budget, project page, organizers, monitoring and documentation.


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We haven't had quite a chance to do these yet.


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In addition, there are links to project funding applications.


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What kind of mechanism could we build alongside this to propose new projects?


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It would also be fun to develop a method to express support for either projects already in progress or for new newly proposed projects.


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Commenting goes well, I think, through the discussion page on the project page.


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The Catalan Wikipedia provides funding only for projects that have been proposed by the community and committed by a member of the community to co-ordinate themselves.


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In addition, if anyone is willing to help with model maids, I would be particularly happy about that help.


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The Date template is from Wikipedia, but could use a renovation.


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Copying parameters from one model to another would be great to keep the data congruent.


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Here's a list of projects: Wikipedia Library Technology Pool Wikipedia Training Programme Glam Mass Discovery Project Open cultural data for useful use Local Wikipedia Wikimaps Skärgården Open Licenses Guide to the media The project listing shows in addition, a few more projects that do not yet have their own page.


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Regards Susannaanas (debate) 10 May 2015 at 2:32pm (EEST) Are different details page templates needed?


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I make specification pages for surnames and supplement them.


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Such a template is like a template:disambiguation page/surname.


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Do users therefore feel that it is necessary to make different specification page templates for different topics?


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There are Category:Lists of persons by surname, into which the surname specification pages are classified.


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On the contrary, some models related to the articles have been pruned, at least the Stub models.


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Personally, I find it unnecessary to maintain two means of aid that are broadly the same thing.


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—Pekkkan (debate) 18 April 2015 at 6:55pm (EEST) Well, one reason for a separate model is the differences in the texts of the models: “This specification page lists persons with the same surname.”


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vs.


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“This is a specification page that lists the different meanings of a multi-meaning word.”


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In addition, that template automatically classifies pages using the template into that category of “Lists of persons by last name” category.


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84.249.84.11 18 April 2015 at 7:30pm (EEST) It is not about automatic classification, but whether the article requires two such classification systems visible to the reader on the same issue.


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My question now is not about this single model, but whether different specification page templates are needed in general.


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If we consider that needed, then on what basis?


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If they are in favour of it, then they can always be created on the subjects they deem necessary.


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—PEKKKAN (debate) April 18, 2015 at 7:45pm (EEST) No need, unnecessary piperry.


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Class is enough.


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—85,76.50.142 on April 18, 2015 at 8:11 p.m. (EEST) No.


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Last Name Lists/Last Name Articles aren't really even specification pages.


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Matti Meäläinen and Maija Meäläinen are clearly different things.


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Whereas Teija Tekäläinen (expert) and Teija Tekäläinen (layman) can already get confused, in which case a specification page is needed.


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Lists of persons by surname category can be put quite usually by code.


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Disambiguation pages should be taken as mere roadsigns for the reader.


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If there is more to tell about the topic, then the article.


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(In principle, the specification page function could even come from Wikidata.)


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—Usp (debate) 19 April 2015 at 07:50am (EEST) It is indeed strange that here we call pages where the word has been given at most one meaning and then only a list of people in whose name the word appears.


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I wonder if all lists of names and genuine specification pages should be completely separated so that lists of names are transferred to their own pages, rename them N (name) and given different designs.


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—Savir (debate) 19 April 2015 at 08:00 (EEST) This need for the sub-case of the model has arisen.


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In the last name article it is necessary to tell about the surname, but at the same time it very much resembles the specification page, when it is customary to list all the bearers of the surname in the manner of the specification page.


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On the other hand, the specification page, according to the views of some users, should contain no content other than a list of meanings.


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=> solution: let's make a subcase of the template spelled out the page/last name.


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If one wants to get rid of the subcase of the template, then one should happen either: a cramped view of the format of the specification page is removed or the listing of persons on the surname pages ends.


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As a third option, the last namesarticles are divided in two: the last name article and a separate specification page (I myself do not support this solution).


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On these grounds, the template is still necessary.


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GoPase+F (debate) on 19 April 2015 at 09:14 (EEST) My three-pence is that, as well as given names (e.g. Tanja), so surnames (e.g. Virtanen) are also topics on which there is a wealth of literature and research information and tend to grow as independent articles and it is unlikely to be meaningful to stack them into pure specification pages.


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I also find it useful to be able to somehow programmatically differentiate the last nameshow pages from other specification pages.


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—Zache (debate) 19 April 2015 at 10:35am (EEST) A large number of surnames are in the same article as other words: Adams, Maas (disambiguation), Maja (disambiguation), Saarenpää, etc. —Käpyläntie (debate) 19 April 2015 at 12:54pm (EEST) Noi seem obvious from the usual clarification pages.


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GoPase+F (debate) 19 April 2015 at 12:55pm (EEST) After all, they are standard specification pages and there is no problem.


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¬Antilope 19 April 2015 at 3:10pm (EEST) Therefore, of course, there is no need for a separate model, since most of the lists of surnames are in the same specification article with other meanings.


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And that's exactly why the template has no use whatsoever.


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—Käpyläntie (debate) 26 April 2015 at 11:14am (EEST) I do not support the use of specific specifications for different subjects, as, for example, the bearers of a surname are often presented in the context of other meanings of the word.


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But this is a broader case than the single surname-specification page template, although no others have yet been made.


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Own special models are not useful, at least they have not yet been presented with a rational argument.


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The classification is treated, as far as I see, everything necessary.


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Exclusion from the list of names with the basic model is, though, problematic because - as mentioned - surnames are often associated with other meanings.


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However, you can always add a class even if there are other meanings in the list besides the surname.


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—Käpyläntie (debate) 19 April 2015 at 09:38 (EEST) There are many good reasons why it is still necessary.


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The use of the template is case-by-case, so I don't see any harm in its existence and use either.


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Of course, it is not put on the usual pages of disambiguation.


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The fear of many “page templates for specification of different topics” is futile; in ten years, only this one has been created so far, on the basis of discussions, in a clear need.


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¬Antilope 19 April 2015 at 3:10pm (EEST) For what purpose are special programming page templates needed?


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—Käpyläntie (debate) 15 May 2015 at 08:03am (EEST) In principle, I am opposed, but if this goes through, the same series number two will be model:Disambiguation page/book, it has certain standard names of books that need a specification page, such as Essays, which I just did.


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—ABC10 (debate) April 19, 2015 at 7:17pm (EEST) No different models required.


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Besides, there are specification pages such as Strong, which contain both localities and surnames.


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—Vnnen (debate) 13 May 2015 at 01:05 (EEST) For my part, I support the various specification page templates.


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—SMAUG (Discussion — Edits) 14 May 2015 at 9:15pm (EEST) Milgear page Does anyone know what happened to the page I wrote (Milgear) when I can't find it anymore?


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—Tmantti (debate) 23:14 (EEST) On 11 May 2015, the Tmantti page has been deleted as unsignificant on two occasions: 14:46, 14 September 2014, MiPe (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page Milgear (A5: Unsignificant: Significance was not shown during 3 days of the debate) 11:54, 20 April 2011 Ejs-80 (Talk | contribs | block) deleted page Milgear (A5: Unsignificant) —Stryn (Discussion) 12:52 (EEST), 12 May 2015 (EEST) This means the page MilGear, whose log sees that it too has been removed as unsignificant.


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Admittedly, the error of process is that nothing has been reported to Tmanti, who created the page, about the questioning and deletion of notability, so no wonder he has to ask the question.


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In this case, the page could be returned to the new notability debate so that the initiator has the opportunity to try to defend its significance in the debate.


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—Pxos (discussion) 12 May 2015 at 11:17am (EEST) An apostrophe in class names like, for example, Class:Guns N' Roses albums could be an apostrophe found on the keyboard?


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There are no more controls either, so finding a class by typing doesn't work out and you can get a little confused.


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Somebody's changing them now.


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—Käpyläntie (discussion) 21 May 2015 at 8:25pm (EEST) At least that category can be found when you type “Class:Guns N” in the search box after which automatics offers you ready the rest just like typing “Ben Zy” where even that automatics provide the rest.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 21 May 2015 at 20:30 (EEST) As far as I can tell, the controls have not been removed, and they are in no way incorrect.


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Or does wikipedia have some policy banning class page controls?


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If controls are retained, class names may have a curved quotation mark — and there's no problem.


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—Osbournehutch (debate) 21 May 2015 at 9:08pm (EEST) The same thing I did, but I did not check, i.e.


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I suppose that controls can be at least technically, in so far as there is no agreement otherwise that they should not be used. —Urjanhai (debate) 21 May 2015 at 9:27pm (EEST) The category space control pages were discussed a year ago, but no really clear result was reached.


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However, there was such a spirit that the guidance would be allowed in exceptional cases, at most justified.


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—Risukarhi (discussion) 21 May 2015 at 9:36pm (EEST) I at least found the right category using the search for “Category:Guns N' Roses albums”.


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There's no problem with a normal apostrophe.


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—PTG (debate) 21 May 2015 at 9:40pm (EEST) I mean when categories are added to an article, then you cannot find a class with this apostrophe that is not present on the keyboard. —Käpyläntie (discussion) 21 May 2015 at 10:55pm (EEST) Some characters are in the edit mode below, and then another way is to open another window, go to the search box, search the category there and copy the name of the class there. —Urjanhai (debate) 21 May 2015 at 11:44pm (EEST) The name is certainly found in the article to which the category is being added.


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The correct outfit of the name should be checked elsewhere anyway if it's a bit weirder to the modifier.


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Alt and 0146.


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—Thi (debate) 21 May 2015 at 11:58pm (EEST) I do not seem to be able to get it understood.


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I'll try again: If someone writes an article about the album of the band Cannons N' Carnations, and in memory it is that the band's albums would have their own category Category:Cannons N' Carnations albums, which then try to type on the computer keys in the article, but it comes in red, then then you leave it out when clearly there is no class.


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That's the reason why I don't understand those apostrophes, or at least they're not useful to users, i.e. they have comma filings gone a little too far.


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I wonder if someone would understand the problem I'm talking about.


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—Käpyläntie (discussion) 22 May 2015 at 09:10 (EEST) Most likely, the editor will not start the album article from scratch, but will start doing it from the band article via a red link.


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If he also starts the band article itself, some other user user would pass it to the correct name.


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If the modifier can't find a class, he searches more closely or some other user adds it.


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Redirecting would mean someone else would have to change the class to correct again, because otherwise it would just confuse different users.


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There would be no reduction in users' workload.


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If there were no apostrophe changes, sooner or later there would be someone who would make the changes because this is a policy outside of Wikipedia, or they would be criticized that apostrophes are wrong too and users are probably lazy and ignorant when they don't change them.


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—Thi (debate) 22 May 2015 at 1:21pm (EEST) Like that, I don't know anything about probability.


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I actually start most of the articles by typing the name of the article in the search and starting with the reddit link that appears in the search results.


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Classes are not articles, so they should adhere to the principle of less effort.


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—Käpyläntie (discussion) 22 May 2015 at 1:32pm (EEST) How do uo classes (uo = control) work?


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If you classify someone's article into a category of uo, then does it classify into that uo category or that uo class target category?


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If the article also classifies into the desired category via uo class, then there should be nothing amazing about this (uo classes can be created/preserved, since this instruction could be equally applied to classes as well).


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If, on the other hand, the wiki doesn't work that way, but rather the article categorizes into that category of uo, then the problem is more of a technical one.


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84.249.84.11 22 May 2015 at 1:43pm (EEST) In that case, the article is classified in the uo category and not the target category.


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In the article itself, the name of the uo class appears in italic (I see this is a new feature that appeared around the same time as moving class pages became possible; before that, the uo class looked very much like a normal class in the article).


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If you try to go look at the uo category, however, you end up with the guidance in that actual category where you can't then find a miscategorized article.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 22 May 2015 at 2:04pm (EEST) Is it the same as in the article pages, however, that from the top of the category page under guidance, you can also access the uo category page as you can get from the article under guidance to the uo page if you wish to edit it or view its content or history? —Urjanhai (debate) 22 May 2015 at 2:22pm (EEST) Yes, in that respect class guidance is no different from other guidance pages.


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—Rasukarhi (debate) 22 May 2015 at 2:53pm (EEST) Ok.


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This problem, by the way, seems to have long stood.


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I suggest taking a template from en-wiki: Let's keep the uo classes deemed necessary (at least now these apostrophe UO's) and create a similar template and class here, which the bots would then root and correct the uo ratings of articles.


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84.249.84.11 May 22, 2015 at 3:10pm (EEST) I ask now, when it came to talk, what is the position on classifying redirects?


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Somewhere in ahecircles they can be seen used, I remember at least the renamed magazines in the style of We Consumers, but the narrowness of use gave the impression of somehow experimentation.


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For example, in the case of witch leaves, I think that's very functional. —Urjanhai (debate) 22 May 2015 at 3:16pm (EEST) No resistance appears to have arisen to the needs-based classification of controls: Discussion_from Wikipedia:Control #Luokittelu.


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And after all, there are 521+ classified guidance here already.


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84.249.84.11 May 22, 2015 at 3:25pm (EEST) Ok., good to know.


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In justified cases, I think that's pretty handy. —Urjanhai (debate) 22 May 2015 at 3:27pm (EEST) There are more than those found in that category, because they are not automatically categorised there.


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I myself, at least when categorizing control pages, I have not added that category to them.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 22 May 2015 at 4:00pm (EEST) This goes a bit past the topic, but when it comes to classifying guidance pages, there may be a justification for it, at least in the event that the interwikitys is not unambiguous.


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It wasn't until I came across such a topic.. I'll tell you when I remember.


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But maybe there should be a different discussion about this.


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—Feathers (debate) 23 May 2015 at 01:40am (EEST) Session data disappears What is missing my session data repeatedly?


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—User:Language Militia 23 May 2015 at 2:49pm (EEST) I don't know.


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I've noticed the same problem at times.


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Started about a couple weeks ago.


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—Pxos (discussion) 23 May 2015 at 2:50pm (EEST) I prefer not to touch my edits, even if that's the way you have that you view your right to fiddle with other people's texts.


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It's not polite and it's not in line with Wikipedia's policies either.


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It's provocation to cause discord between users.


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I now changed the title if you took my previous formulation as a personal insult.


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—User:Language Militia 23 May 2015 at 2:54pm (EEST) And I will now give you the blocking and justifying it on your discussion page.


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—Pxos (debate) 23 May 2015 at 2:54pm (EEST) There is a reference to the fiddling with which I changed the title of this discussion thread.


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If there is a need to discuss shoplifting more, the appropriate forum is the currently open request for comment on the modes of discussion.


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The Language Militia will have the opportunity to participate in the debate there starting at around 5pm today.


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This conversation can come back to address the problem of session data being lost in the middle of editing.


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—Pxos (debate) 23 May 2015 at 3:13pm (EEST) I changed the title again to the correct topic.


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—Aku506 23 May 2015 at 9:44pm (EEST) Fiat Panda mk3 Hello!


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Could you put pictures of the Fiat Panda mk3, aka third generation Fiat Panda, on Wikipedia, and look up information about the 3rd generation Fiat Panda?


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Thank you!


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—New Kerttula (debate) 26 May 2015 at 3:11pm (EEST) I know I'm getting my ass kicked by this, but wouldn't Star Stable Online retaining this article now would be something to consider this extremely distorted gender divide of Wikipedia a bit somewhere. ?