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When there are no more than 76 targets, then yes that Jo-ku-Jak-sa-va can do.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 3:31pm (EET) Of course, before getting into action, now would be a great hh time to have a conversation about whether it can be handled by changing the last name model.


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Therefore, if you want to use an established model but have the “same first and last name” attribute in the text, you could put a modified surname model instead of repealing it.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 3:33pm (EET) I wonder if that is necessary.


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Same upgrade problem there too.


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That is, what is now a list of persons with the same name, may tomorrow also be a list of films and aircraft carriers, or vice versa.


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Is it really necessary to always file the text of the template?


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If there is something wrong with the text of the current specification page template, so that it does not fit all situations for some reason, I would rather try to apply for a more generalized formulation for the text.


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—Jmk (debate) 15 January 2018 at 15:56 (EET) The text of the basic template changes when the mover arrives.


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In 2007, the “ambiguous concept” changed to “multi-meaning word” (and), and the “concept”, now gone for more than 10 years, was brought back into the text ().


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In my opinion, the text produced by the template is not even decisive when the specification page is quite self-explanatory, if it has a good lead sentence that starts the page.


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They usually have one.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 4:25pm (EET) Let's just let that 'word' go and just take away the 'concept'.


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Or at least now that the topic is being discussed anyway, you can express views on it as well. —Urjanhai (debate) 15 January 2018 at 4:33pm (EET) I am now repealing the model change.


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By repeal, I don't take a position on whether the change is an improvement or that way around, but that process is wrong now.


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The community is trying to discuss many things at the same time as the creator of the model is making all sorts of changes on his own and has stated that he does not even want to participate in the discussion.


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—Pxos (discussion) 15 January 2018 at 4:47pm (EET) Although the project 'finished' is something other than 'there is a template' for all the full naming pages, for example, my favorite, Antti Niemi, still goes with a traditional model.


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Iivarius (debate) 15 January 2018 at 15:08pm (EET) If the template is maintained, I will screen another list of specification pages, namely that which does not use parentheses.


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—PE-GA-SOS (debate) 15 January 2018 at 6:19pm (EET) The template may remain in two ways: permanently, if explicitly or tacitly approved by the entity, or temporarily, in which case it exists only until it is withdrawn.


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Consensus seems to be formed in the debate, so simply because the model still exists today or tomorrow, it is not worthwhile to draw any quick conclusions that guide your own actions.


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The same thing has been said already on the user discussion page.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 7:33pm (EET) The preservation of the special model does not seem to be supported.


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The idea of a text-setting parameter developed by Pxos, as such, has not been much supported here, so perhaps you can leave that to be broken.


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I could start refuting the use of a special model.


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—Jmk (debate) 16 January 2018 at 12:19pm (EET) Special template changed back to regular () and Category:Lists of persons by full name were cleared.


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Yes, it was so clever again when you asked separately to wait until there wasn't going to be a back-and-forth.


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Well that's it.


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—Jmk (debate) 16 January 2018 at 2:11pm (EET) Discussion of the text produced by the model Disclosure page Again on models Pxos was refuting this edit.


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It is quite understandable, because I did not have any kind of discussion on the matter.


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I think the text change I made would be more precise and therefore better.


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The topic of the specification page is not necessarily a word, but may also be a concept, so I think the change is justified.


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Tradition doesn't justify anything, if you know what I mean.


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—PE-ga-sos (debate) 16 January 2018 at 15:35 (EET) There has already been a debate on this topic further up, where I justified the repeal and where Urjanhai took a position on the matter.


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I moved this discussion here as a continuation of a bunch because the whole soppa is related to the same whole.


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That way it would hold even a little together.


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—Pxos (debate) 16 January 2018 at 3:42pm (EET) Reliable sources There was a recent debate about using party newspapers as a source.


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Now, I see, the pages of Finnwatch, an NGO, qualify as such a source, so that you can copy polemics into an encyclopedia from there word for word.


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Does this correspond to the will state of the modifier community, and does this expand to other protest organizations as well?


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—Jmk (debate) 15 January 2018 at 7:09pm (EET) If the requirement for neutrality is met, sources representing different points of view can be used to cross.


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In your example of neutrality was way off and I removed it.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 16 January 2018 at 09:42 (EET) Hopefully, sometimes there will be appropriate cross-exposure.


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What is quite certain is that there won't be a government like that (at least not in multi-party countries) that some districts would not very much praise and some districts would very much berate (and often still both or at least either one of the very grounds).


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It would be quite exciting to read that opposing opinion and both nicely and neutrally and equally presented and in scope with the rest of the article in a balanced scope.


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Some non-party media may even have done something like this. —Urjanhai (debate) 16 January 2018 at 4:40pm (EET) Certainly there will be enough opinions.


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In this case, the text did not address the government, but listed Finnwatch's opinions.


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For example, it would be most natural to write the Administrative Register and not the Sipilä Board of Directors in the article.


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There, the criticism already appears to be in abundant dimensions.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 16 January 2018 at 21:14 (EET) Yes, true.


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Probably most similar questions share opinions have their own articles (or it is natural to write them if they are not). —Urjanhai (debate) 16 January 2018 at 23:13pm (EET) The case is about the roaring of one user, which has been going on for a longer period of time despite inhibitions.


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jni (k) 16 January 2018 at 22:00 (EET) On the need for models Above is a discussion about the full name specification page and template.


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Wikipedia has different models that for article writers are redundant.


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Such are at least, which may be necessary in math articles, but a random number in any article does not need it as far as I am concerned.


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Another template that interferes with reading edit box text is, which is not the same as the -age template used in infobox.


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I think those could be disabled or actually removed altogether.


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I have not seen them in articles by regular founders and I don't think founders adopt them.


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—Tpe1 (debate) 15 January 2018 at 5:27pm (EET) I think the issue is even wider.


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There are a lot of different rules for modifying articlespace and torsion from them, among others.


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on discussion pages, but editing other namespaces is pretty unregulated.


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Just like templates, here it is possible to create pages, complex modules or new help pages from the Wikipedia project space.


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It often happens that first you create a new model, you start using it somewhere, and little quietly the template forms part of the whole.


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Even if the model is not mandatory, it becomes so well established that not using the model is perceived as an exception.


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But that being said, I think discussions about individual models could still be held on the models' own discussion page.


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I propose that the need for this Chapter template be addressed on its own discussion page, and the same should be done with that other.


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A general-level discussion doesn't necessarily get you anywhere.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 5:35pm (EET) The issue can be discussed and I hope for discussion from those who find the general increase in models disturbing.


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The silent majority rarely open their mouths, but now I'd like to hear if there are others similarly minded as me.


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—Tpe1 (discussion) January 15, 2018 at 5:42pm (EET) If you start asking if you should delete all templates that most users don't use in articles, then I answer that should not be deleted.


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Models are needed in a lot more than articles.


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Stryn (debate) 15 January 2018 at 5:44pm (EET) If I did not know how to formulate the start correctly, then I mean exactly the models that are not needed in the text of the article but have been added to some articles, at least the two I mentioned are like that.


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There may be others, just haven't come up against them.


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—Tpe1 (debate) 15 January 2018 at 6:01pm (EET) I think the focus of the debate is too broad.


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If you want to remove templates that are not necessary in the opinion of the conversation starter in the style of “at least these two should be disabled and at the same time all others equally pointless”, then the reason for deletion is too vague.


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I repeat my idea that it pays to go one template at a time.


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I'm not advocating removing templates somehow on a “general level” either.


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—Pxos (debate) 15 January 2018 at 6:03pm (EET) Pxos proposed a “coffee room discussion on models in general”.


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Now it doesn't happen anymore?


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— Kotivalo (debate) 15 January 2018 at 18:37 (EET) Go for it.


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I am just such a versatile thinker that I am capable of having two parallel or opposing minds at once.


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But when this conversation has already been removed from the personal section twice, then I would hope not to chat about individual individuals too with.


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I can get out of this section and leave the chat to others, which is probably a great idea.


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—Pxos (discussion) 15 January 2018 at 7:05pm (EET) @Lehmäantilooppi and Abc10: You might want to discuss the model on the discussion page if you find the general increase in models disturbing.


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The debate would like to hear the opinions of those who think the same.


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—raid5 (debate) 15 January 2018 at 6:06pm (EET) Thank you for your thoughtfulness.


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I guess somewhere I've taken a stand when I got the beep here, I can't remember when there's work and stuff to do and I don't have time to hang around here now.


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—Cow antelope (debate) 17 January 2018 at 1:16pm (EET) I support useless models.


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—Weird1e (debate) 16 January 2018 at 3:58pm (EET) Wikipedia Source Library: One year extension of the National Biography and Statistics Workshop IDs Wikipedia Source Library informs that the National Biography and Economic Influencers online publications and the Statistics Workshop have to: granted a year of extension.


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In addition to these, Gaudeamus's books can still be ordered free of charge as pdf files for their use.


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Get good sources for use!


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Gaudeamus — a publishing house owned by the University of Helsinki, which publishes doctrinal and non-fiction books (pdf files of books).


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The Finnish Literature Society — National Biography and Economic Influencers online publications contain biographies of more than 8,500 Finnish society influencers.


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N.B.


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If your ID has expired but would like to continue the subscription, please message me.


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Statistics Workshop — a database that provides athletics results and statistics from both Finland and the world (8 operating licences).


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Remember that users of the Finnish Wikipedia can also apply through the International Wikipedia Library for access to publications from international partners. —Olimar 17 January 2018 at 1:16pm (EET) I couldn't get inside the Statistics Workshop just now with my old ID.


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—Lax (debate) 17 January 2018 at 1:42pm (EET) I noticed that at least the old IDs were not working yet.


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Stryn (debate) 17 January 2018 at 3:46pm (EET) Works again.


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Stryn (debate) 18 January 2018 at 6:06pm (EET) Jepu jepu yee!!!


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Where's the puck?


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Well, there it's in Jamo's glove!


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—Lax (debate) 18 January 2018 at 6:14pm (EET) Jukka Kangas could the article Jukka Kangas (musician) be moved to Jukka Kangas and add a link to Lassi Nummi when Nummi appears to have published only one book under that pseudonym?


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—176.93.181.170 21 January 2018 at 8:21pm (EET) Yes can.


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Moved.


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—Vilhokki (debate) 21 January 2018 at 9:00pm (EET) Thanks.


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—176.93.181.170 21 January 2018 at 9:08pm (EET) From positions and votes, I don't know if this belongs to advice, policies or what, so let us go here.


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Can anyone specify how the WP:Voting policy has been interpreted “If the vote concerns a particular person, that person himself cannot participate in the vote”?


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For example, I suppose the arbitration commission election has been interpreted that the candidate is allowed to participate in the vote by voting for other candidates (even though the election as a whole “applies” to him/herself as well).


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Comment requests have become somewhat like votes, although I guess there were originally (?)


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meant to be mainly a discussion.


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In practice, however, it has been the case that while the request for comment names individual users (perhaps several), at least they have been allowed to take a stand.


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(It would be very nifty if you could allocate some brisk claim to eight or thirty named users, and thus renaming would get all of these recused from dealing with the issue, so that user X should not even object to the claim against users Y and Z, because X is myself on the list.)


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—Jmk (debate) 23 January 2018 at 10:36am (EET) I would say that is a matter of policy, but then let's go here.


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The vote page does not mention a request for comment and the Comment Request page says that it is a discussion in which all users can participate, which I would consider also to show like-mindedness and disagreement within a comment request without using the Vote page said limitations.


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I think the limit should be put only on not allowing ip access to allow multiple people to occur.


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—Lax (debate) 23 January 2018 at 1:43pm (EET) After all, the Community has already decided that the so-called existing policy should be posted on the comment request page.


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It was then stipulated that “comp-vote” would receive only voting IDs, so in a certain way a circumstance that partially equates the decision action of a comment request to votes is recorded in a comment request instructions.


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On the original question, the amendment took no position, except perhaps so that the general principle “everyone is allowed to participate” was enshrined as part of the guidance text.


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—Pxos (debate) 23 January 2018 at 7:08pm (EET) I think it would be natural to interpret that this restriction applies only to different personal elections (yp, byro, ospa, waiver, removal of these rights or vlk).


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On all other issues, we must be able to take a position.


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-Ochs (debate) 23 January 2018 at 9:51pm (EET) Is the subject of the article allowed to vote to remove or retain their “own” article?


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-kykaarme (discussion) 23 January 2018 at 7:46pm (EET) If you mean whether Matti Mekäläinen is allowed to vote for the removal or retention of Matti Mekäläinen's article, you can if he has a user name that satisfies the voting rights.


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—MiPe (wikinät) 23 January 2018 at 9:29pm (EET) Cracking a password Recent changes have caught the eye of the article Password, which explains how to crack a password and recommends a long password: “However, it is not possible to crack sufficiently long passwords on a computer either, because the number of character combinations to be tried becomes too large.”


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I gave a practical example on the discussion page, but it was removed, so I recommend here that it is good for the Wikipedia password to be really long.


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My password was cracked and changed and I was no longer able to access the ID I used.


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I didn't realize that on a quasi-fun page like this, someone would be interested in my password.


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Now my password length is 25 characters.


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Remembering does not produce a problem, because I copy it, and thus the keystroke recorder can't read either.


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Wikipedia would have reason to have a two-step login, the way advanced websites have.


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—Cow antelope (debate) 29 January 2018 at 5:25pm (EET) A sufficiently long password is obviously good, but another thing is how the service keeps it (seal, salting).


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—raid5 (discussion) 29 January 2018 at 6:10pm (EET) If you like comics, here are a couple of links: • The idea of the first one is good for memorability, although I do use longer strings.


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—raid5 (discussion) 29 January 2018 at 6:17pm (EET) Is it possible that you used the same password on some other site that was hacked and password tried here?


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You can try passwords, but there are time constraints and captchos, and you can turn on a notification from your own settings if someone tries to access the ID.


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88.115.45.198 1 February 2018 at 00:20 (EET) Many Windows 10 users are probably not aware that keystrokes leave the manufacturer unless the function is turned off.


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That is, there are all your passwords stored:) —Cow Antelope (discussion) 29 January 2018 at 6:28pm (EET) Windows 10 is not a security-focused operating system, its advantages are in some sense ease of use and device support.


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At Apple, a similar feature is the optional storage of the keychain in iCloud.


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Arch and Gentoo on Linux allow the user to define preferences and programs more variously — the downside is a higher learning threshold.


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Regardless of the operating system or program, it's tedious if data collection is turned on by default and left up to the user.


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—raid5 (debate) 29 January 2018 at 22:09pm (EET) Should it be relied on “no sources” or that “sources have not been presented”?


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Moved from page: Wikipedia:Removal votes/Tile oven factory Helsinge #Keskustelu. —Urjanhai (debate) 4 February 2018 at 5:15pm (EET) What can be argued so far is that it has not been shown that there is a broadly independent source.


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This is a bit like Russell's teapot.


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Sometimes that teapot can be there even if we can't see it.


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Many times the fact that whether processed or not remains an eternally hidden secret, while the absolute factual claim rests in the air. —Urjanhai (debate) 31 January 2018 at 7:13pm (EET) Assessing the significance of things often becomes unnecessarily difficult when you think too much about it.


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Easier to inch just “are there sources” -> “2" -> “are they good” -> “doesn't properly convince” -> article off.


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Seeggesup?


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February 1, 2018, 10:42 p.m. (EET) Sources are out there.


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The sure fact is only whether or not they are presented.


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Therefore, it is clearer to talk only about certain facts, that is, whether sources are presented or not.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 2 February 2018 at 06:52 (EET) In case of doubt, it is best to name a few sources.


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Even better is to add them to the article.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 2 February 2018 at 3:08pm (EET), if sources are not provided, say it, and not start guessing that they “do not exist”.


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I'm sure that's when you're in the facts all the time. —Urjanhai (debate) 3 February 2018 at 07:35am (EET) Couple results Category:Companies Petscan scannaus from indelible articles depth 1 -> 164 results same with reason 5 -> 5812 results.


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And now, however, it is only this company that wants to get out of it.


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—Linkkerpar (discussion) 3 February 2018 at 08:05 (EET) The deletion is very much in line with what has been applied to small companies before here.


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Much larger companies have been axed.


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According to Wikipedia's policies, sources should be presented, and here they are not presented.


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Indoor literacy is apparently bad, because I just repeated what I have said in a lot of discussions at the turn of the year, namely that claims that “sources do not exist” are superfluous to be presented as conjecture when you can only as simple fact and absolutely certainly based on facts state that they have not been presented.


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Then there is no need to speculate.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 3 February 2018 at 08:46am (EET) My statement “Not covered extensively by independent sources” was based on the fact that I tried to search for sources myself and asked for e.g.


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representative of the company to present sources.


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Since neither resulted in a result, in light of general life experience, it can be noted that no sources from a couple of years old firm exist with a probability sufficient to vote on the subject.


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If someone presents sources, the situation changes.


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Building grand theories about teapots seems redundant when it comes to deleting or preserving one small company article.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 3 February 2018 at 12:41pm (EET) What should we do with those other sources?


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—Linkkerpar (debate) 3 February 2018 at 2:35pm (EET) Find the sources and add them to the text and, in case of doubt, question the significance.


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Start with them: Rhythmi-Katti, Energiapolar, Jeweler J. A. Tarkiainen.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 3 February 2018 at 7:48pm (EET) I thought it would be mainly your field, having questioned these articles before and qualified in that field.


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In the interests of fairness, you could stop stamping those where the same conditions are met as in this article now being voted on.


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—Linkkerpar (debate) 4 February 2018 at 08:12am (EET) Thank you for the praise, although I have not questioned this article nor triggered this vote.


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Better probably look through this vote before further qualification.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 4 February 2018 at 5:02pm (EET) It is not a “great theory” but a fact.


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Even now, there are probably hundreds of articles based entirely or decisively on sources that are not currently available online, and whose sources are non-existent in google does not prove in any way.


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I specifically presented this as a general fact with you in mind, what expression to use in significance discussions if one wants to speak fact and not just simply present conjecture and theories.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 3 February 2018 at 2:48pm (EET) The theory of a teapot orbiting the sun does not help us to determine whether an article is needed on a small tiled kiln factory in the encyclopedia.


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We are forced to interpret the existence of sources based on whether someone finds them or not.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 3 February 2018 at 7:48pm (EET) There is no need for interpretation if facts are established, i.e. whether sources have been presented or not.


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Why should one “interpret” when one can state mere observed facts without having to “interpret” or guess at all about the existence of anything? —Urjanhai (debate) 3 February 2018 at 21:55pm (EET) Benevolently, in practice, the existence of sources is crucial.


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Existence must be interpreted as whether or not sources can be found.


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If interpretation weren't allowed, you wouldn't be able to logically claim from any of the articles that it hasn't been addressed in the sources.


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That would mean that not a single article could ever be removed as unremarkable.


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So the notability practice would be a completely redundant or dead letter.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 4 February 2018 at 4:53pm (EET) Years ago, at one time in some significance discussion, I interpreted that there are certainly sources about the person in position x, but I was not believed (because many people think that anything outside of Circle III close by side cannot and must not have sources).


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This is quite a similar interpretation but in the other direction.


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If we have a subject that no one knows anything about, then it remains a fact whether the sources have been presented or not, and there is no need to even know about anything else.


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But why should one seek to distance yourself from this fact anyway, and make interpretations and conjectures, especially when the outcome of rationally actions is even then the same?


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The remainder of this comment submitted to the original discussion. —Urjanhai (debate) 4 February 2018 at 5:15pm (EET) —Urjanhai (debate) 4 February 2018 at 5:05pm (EET) Urjanhai's comment has two quirks.


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You claim that “in the opinion of many, there cannot and must not be sources for anything outside of Perimeter III”.


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Who are these many?


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Diffs?


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Secondly, I understand from your comment that when you claim that there are sources about something, then others must believe that claim as it is, without stating what those sources are.


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If I misunderstood these, then clear, otherwise you're starting to go Trumpisms already.


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—Gar.bon.vez (debate) 4 February 2018 at 7:39pm (EET) I will first reply to the second section of your comment, which I regret to believe you really misunderstood: I told you about that old idea in one of my debates years ago.


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I had to give up this idea when I wasn't believed.


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The point of my comment was, on that basis, that if another conversationalist here in the same way with his own general life experience, as I do in my own, concludes that there are certainly no sources on the subject, then why should we believe that there are no sources on the subject. he will be judged its better.


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That's why I made the argument when it is stated that sources have not been provided.


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Somewhere less common, it is quite the norm that if sources are not presented, then the significance of the subject cannot even be valued without them, and therefore it is sufficient to state that the significance has not been established by sources without the need to guess whether there are sources or not.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 5 February 2018 at 10:11am (EET) My second command also goes back years to a significant debate (or actually more), but when the notability debate is removed along with the articles and I no longer remember the names of the articles, I will not be able to to give diffs.


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Also, my reference to this in that regard was an error of thought, because more important in the end was the principle than my opinion, because there is no guarantee that one opinion is more correct than the other.


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- Or, perhaps, this is where some people might think that there are no sources for anything back around Perimeter III if they are not reported on the inside media of Perimeter III, whereas those who follow some media outside of Perimeter III know what type of things. these mediums deal extensively and independently.


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But when you always find topics that do not necessarily know about being covered in the sources, then this will eventually spiral into the same. —Urjanhai (debate) 5 February 2018 at 10:32am (EET) What an absurd claim.


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I don't think anyone subscribes to your claim that “some people might think that there are no sources for anything back to Perimeter III if they're not reported on the inside media of Perimeter III”.


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It must have been a matter of irony, or you've read anything other than has been written.


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—Teakoo (debate) 5 February 2018 at 11:40am (EET) Despite the long hair splitting, I think I finally agree with Urjanhai that sources are worth submitting or else the article is in danger of being removed due to lack of sources (believed).


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A much bigger disagreement seems wikipedists have on whether articles should be deleted at all due to lack of sources, or whether other principles should be used.


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Even if we came to the same conclusion, whether to write “sources are not” or “sources not presented”, it hardly affects the outcome of whether article X is retained because there are other users here who vote on the basis of, say, “vote for this”.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 4 February 2018 at 21:11pm (EET) Pörssitieto.fi Is there a reliable source? —Maquire (debate) 3 February 2018 at 9:44pm (EET) Probably not out of hand, because it is DIY history research that depends on what you are leaving.


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If the content of the link is otherwise strictly related to the topic.


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—Zache (debate) 3 February 2018 at 21:51 (EET) Thank you for the information. —Maquire (debate) 4 February 2018 at 00:13 (EET) Perhaps not as reliable as the publications of actual history scholars, but sufficient for the needs of Wikipedia (also as a source).


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This stock exchange information has been published as books since the 1970s, so a very long line of non-fiction writer who maintains it.


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jni (k) 4 February 2018 at 4:32pm (EET) Is reliable.


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Tax any printed non-fiction book.


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I would still primarily use the company's history, where you usually find more detail than a general performance like this.


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Stock exchange information is also so concise in some places that you can misread the text.


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If we take a look, then according to the Stock Exchange Information Merita Plc was the holding company of Merita Bank since 1991.


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Merita's own history tells in detail how Merita was founded only in 1995.


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But the stock exchange data is still not wrong, but only ambiguously written: the holding company actually existed before the Merita merger, but it was called Unitas and it did not own Merita Bank, but SYP.


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If wikipedist now uses Stock Exchange Data as a source and describes how Merita was founded back in 1991, he comes to the wrong conclusion.


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Despite the reliability, you should be careful and use complementary sources when you can.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 5 February 2018 at 1:12pm (EET) Official page of the Olympic Games?


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At the end of the Winter Olympics 2018 article there is a link to the official website of the Games (), but when I click on it, there will be a notification that stands e.g.


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that “your connection is not encrypted” and that the virus that attacked the site may be trying to steal your data.


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Was ist das?


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176.72.153.35 7:11pm 12 February 2018 (EET) The official page appears to be out of .com, I fixed.


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Stryn (debate) 12 February 2018 at 7:14pm (EET) Link shorter Can such an Interne Archive link be presented in some way shorter?


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Many wikis have a template, for example —n.orge (discussion) on 19 February 2018 at 06:21 (EET) I don't know, but I write anyway.


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It seems to be a complex search phrase that looks like this in the search field of the service: ((subject: "Elster, Kristian Mandrup” OR subject: "Elster, Kristian M.”


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OR subject: "Kristian Mandrup Elster” OR subject: "Kristian M. Elster” OR subject: "K. M. Elster” OR subject: "Elster, Kristian” OR subject: "Kristian Elster” OR creator: "Kristian Mandrup Elster” OR creator: "Kristian M. Elster” OR creator: "K. M. Elster” OR creator: "K. Mandrup Elster “OR creator:" Elster, Kristian Mandrup” OR creator: "Elster, Kristian M.”


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OR creator: "Elster, K. Mandrup” OR creator: "Kristian Elster” OR creator: "Elster, Kristian” OR title: "Kristian Mandrup Elster” OR title: "Kristian M. Elster” OR title: "Kristian Elster” OR description: "Kristian Mandrup Elster” OR description: "Kristian Mandrup Elster” OR description: "Kristian M. Elster” “OR description:” K. M. Elster” OR description: "Elster, Kristian Mandrup” OR description: "Elster, Kristian M.”


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OR description: "Kristian Elster” OR description: "Elster, Kristian”) OR (“1841-1881" AND Elster)) AND (-mediatype:software).


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In other words, one wants to search with all possible variations of the name, that is, to make as comprehensive a search as possible.


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The site then makes the search query a URL.


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With a solid belief of idiocy and preconceptions called just common sense, it seems that information cannot be summarized without disappearing information.


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If the link is shortened, the search query is reduced.


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—Pxos (debate) 19 February 2018 at 2:21pm (EET) Probably the questioner knew that and therefore presented a model of the wiki and hoped that someone would notice the tip.


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If you can make templates, then do.


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The short template takes you to the same page as the long link and is in use in a couple of dozen Wikipedias.


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—Weird1e (debate) 19 February 2018 at 3:02pm (EET) Designation of administrative regions of Latvia The administrative division of Latvia contains information on the administrative regions of Latvia.


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Can the designation be clarified as follows?


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republic-level cities: articles with their current names without specification municipalities: designated as “Municipality of X” (for example, the municipality of Ventspils is already named this way, but the Jelgava link is listed for both a republic-level city and a municipality) parishes/keepers (pagasts in Latvian ): designate towns, villages and others belonging to municipalities as “Keeper of X” (for example, keeper of Ugāle): named by place-name alone, without specification.


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Category:Latvian villages are excluded only actual villages, and no keepers.


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circuits: names are allowed to be in the form “District of X”, as until now.


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Going forward, for example: LV:Gulbenes novads = Gulbene municipality LV:Lejasciema pagasts = Lejasciems keeper (belongs to Gulbene municipality, was formerly an administrative area) LV:Gulbene = Gulbene = Gulbene (town, centre of Gulbene municipality) LV:Lejasciems = Lejasciems (village, centre of Lejasciems keeper) LV:Gulbenes rajons = Gulbene district (formerly Latvian district).


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The naming had also been considered on the page Discussion:Stāmeriena.


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—Raksa123 (discussion) February 19, 2018 at 9:42pm (EET) Categories: Martial Arts and Martial Arts What is the difference?


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Any overlap?


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Should we do something?


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—PE-ga-sos (debate) February 22, 2018 at 10:31am (EET) Category:Martial arts touches warfare.


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Stryn (debate) 22 February 2018 at 10:33am (EET) As a puff topic, I say, by the way, that many classes would be helped by someone writing a clear description at the beginning of the class page.


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It would say verbally what kind of articles the class contains.


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Often no information is available about a class other than its name, and other information must be self-interpreted from the upper classes of the class and the respective content of the class.


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With the description, it is even possible to limit the content of a class (such as Class:State Councils) to find out what can and cannot be put in the class.


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—Pxos (discussion) 22 February 2018 at 10:40am (EET) Similar Pages A person whose article is on Wikipedia said that the mobile interface has the title “Similar Pages”, which mentions a person named Musi Lahtinen.


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She writes: “I experience a little stranger to the food writer, because that's what Musi L.


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is known.”


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He's asking if another article about the field of his activities could be better at this. —Cultural Navigator (debate) 28 February 2018 at 12:07pm (EET) At the general level, we need to make an intermediate point that Wikipedia's desktop world and mobile view are starting to differ more from each other all the time.


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Many conversations have mentioned that some problem or some circumstance only occurs in the mobile view, whereas in the desktop view things work as before.


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I (ka) don't have any clear idea of where those similar pages are coming from.


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If they are drawn by some algorithm under the hood, then you can't even modify them.


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—Pxos (discussion) 28 February 2018 at 1:06pm (EET) Upcoming via MW:extension:relatedArticles, for more information also on the page MW:Reading/Web/Projects/related pages.


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Stryn (debate) 28 February 2018 at 1:10pm (EET) The article about me entitled “Similar pages” is 1.


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ARS exhibitions (refers to the research topic of my book, but in no way is it “similar” compared to my article is 2.


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Einari Junttila, who is a Lapland artist I have studied, but I do not find any similarity with him either and 3.


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Ruuni Liukko, which is a completely incomprehensible choice.


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I have liked Rauni Liuko's work ever since Ars 74, where I saw her work for the first time, but I don't notice the similarity between the “pages” that the encyclopedia calls articles.


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I wonder if you could use language maintenance at first and change the word “Similar pages” to “Similar articles”, but oh, no, this skull after all! —Cultural Navigator (debate) 28 February 2018 at 8:32pm (EET) It is easy to fix this by changing the name to “Random Pages”.


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The algorithm gets to do its job and the result is what hurts that matches the title.


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—Pxos (debate) 28 February 2018 at 9:05 p.m. (EET) Yeah, I've been allowed to make sure that Wikipedia does not have pages but articles, and then Wikipedia itself offers articles in pages, huh hello! —Cultural Navigator (Discussion) 28 February 2018 at 9:35pm (EET) Algorithm pages can be displaced on a single page, that page linked by Stryn explains the instructions in Do editors have any control or are they given any preview of the suggested articles?


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It doesn't apply to apps though, they say there.


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-kykaarme (debate) on 28 February 2018 at 21:21pm (EET) “Related” does not mean “alike” but e.g. “related”, so the translation could be corrected in that regard.


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—Savir (debate) 28 February 2018 at 9:29pm (EET) If the function generates almost random links just to give the reader something to click on at the end of the page, it seems pointless.


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When the reader of a few such pointless lists has seen then he ceases to care about the whole function.


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Manually maintained See also section is sufficient.


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—Savir (debate) 28 February 2018 at 21:41pm (EET) No “related” is correct in translation but wrong as a reference.


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The accession of the above article examples to the topic is questionable in both.


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In the first case, Mumi Lahtinen is not at all within that person's subject and the two artists following the article about me are also not related to the subject when I am not an artist. —Cultural Navigator (debate) 1 March 2018 at 10:23pm (EET) So that works so that the 25 most important words are searched from the page first.


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So these are words that have changed their basic inflection that appear in that article more often than the average in the articles.


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After that, other articles using the same words are sought, and although in principle the results can be weighted based on readership numbers, categories, templates, etc., then that is the basic idea.


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This same search can be done directly with the search key, i.e. at the end of the page are the first three articles of that search.


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That is, slightly summing up, then it will show in it not at the end of the page similar articles, but linguistically similar articles.


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—Zache (discussion) 2 March 2018 at 03:44am (EET) You are not an artist, but you have nevertheless been writing the work mentioned in your article about Einari Junttila.


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Time centrally relates to the topic.


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Wikipedia-Apps, by the way, has “alike” instead of “read more”.


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—PTG (discussion) March 2, 2018 at 07:33 (EET) Categories do not appear in the mobile version, so the reader who ends up at the end of the article will have to start scrolling back up to find wiki links if he wants more reading.


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With those article suggestions, he can go on to the same types of topics directly from there from the end of the article.


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Something like that idea must have been behind it.


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“Similar” is a good term in my opinion, because the articles may not be directly related, but are at least from the same type of topic.


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At least it is convenient to hope that algorithms do not associate criminals with decent citizens, etc. In the case of a cultural navigator, I think the connection is quite logical (art critic -> art exhibition and two artists), and certainly not harmful.


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-kykaarme (debate) 8 March 2018 at 9:02pm (EET) Wikipedia Rollup When planning events for the spring, we wondered if Wikimedia would subscribe to Wikipedia Rollup for editing and trade shows.


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The rollup would be equivalent to the Wikimedia Suomen rollup (pictured left), but it would have Wikipedia — a free encyclopedia.


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The following events Wikimedia Finland events to use it include an editing event held at the main library in Oulu, Open data day 3.3., Women's Day edithaton on 8 March.


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University of Helsinki, ITK fair and Wikigap event.


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Rollupp (and other Wikimedia Finland materials) as such can be quoted by other Wikipedists if they are needed, for example, during editing sessions.


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So basically I'm asking you what we think about it.


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—Zache (WMFI) (discussion) 15 February 2018 at 12:39pm (EET) Would the roll-up be more versatile if it had a wikipedia puzzle below, even with a little smaller Wikimedia ballpark with short Wikimedia text (without the Finnish word)?


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The importance of Wikidata as it grows and grows and knowledge of it begins to be part of wikipedia's general education.


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The Wikimedia ballpark could be used to refer to the wider community and activities other than wikipedia.


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When we will be presented to fiwiki, hopefully in the next few months, the personal, urban and regional models that make use of wikidata, Wikipedia will begin to learn that some of the data material should first be put into Wikidata (cf.


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uploading images to Commons), and attach from there, for example, using an associative template to the article.


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—Willow (debate) 10 March 2018 at 2:37pm (EET) Text neutrality I hurt my eye addressing the language tones of newspaper news.


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The issue tangences pretty close to the Wiki texts.


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Occasionally, quite often, our articles have author (or source text) emphasises and therefore our general guidelines have not been followed.


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In the texts there are small additions to the style even, just, small, large.


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Superlatives are a thing separately (best, most significant, etc.).


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The inscription mentions that “by far most of our stuff is flawless.”


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I am doubtful about this argument; almost all the slightly wider newspaper stories contain factual errors which, though only those who know it well, will notice.


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As a basis for the discussion, —Huhdanjo (debate) 11 March 2018 at 10:59am (EET) A pretty broad topic suitable for miscellaneous subjects.


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There are, as far as I can tell, two different things that are tangential to each other.


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First of all, whether the sources used by Wikipedia are error-free and what is done when they are not.


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The issue is even broader than practices and applies to all forms of information transmission and collection in the universe.


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The second point is then whether Wikipedia articles are worth using different shades of language, hidden notations and emphases, and the extent to which they pass as such from the source, and whether wikipedists should know or be able to dismantle language traps when they use sources.


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Pretty broad is the subject.


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Hopefully the issue has been discussed sometime, so one might read the previous discussions before the new debate.


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—Pxos (debate) 11 March 2018 at 11:32am (EET) Right from the rudiments, that is, delete all even, even, small, large estimates, if not present in the source.


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Let's proceed, of course, from the fact that the authors have understood to mark the source, which still seems to some to be pointless for information they take for granted.


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—ABC10 (debate) 11 March 2018 at 11:38am (EET) That's not a “very ale”.


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The question therefore relates to the source text, which contains the definition “Helsinki is even a small, even the best city on the world scale”.


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Then when that's the source, what do you do.


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ABC10's comment has nothing to do with the actual problem setting.


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—Pxos (discussion) 11 March 2018 at 11:45am (EET) Regarding how user Pxos usually stays in discussions on the matter, my own comment is very closely adhered to the layout of the problem.


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As far as I am concerned, all of the author's own interpretations should be removed, and then one can judge whether it is necessary to present opinions coloured in the source.


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Wikipedia writers have a lot of opinions and writing motivations, and it's a full job to weed out even the worst, especially since authors defend their views often even yet very aggressively.


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Few of us are professional writers, and it shows up behind in different ways.


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I don't go to list the tracks because it wakes up the sleeping ones.


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—ABC10 (debate) 11 March 2018 at 11:52am (EET) Well yes here can be constructed as if the journey of knowledge in the world: 1) True and robust knowledge that exists in abstracto.


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2) A scientist figures out the information and writes an article about it.


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3) A newspaperman reads an article and writes a story about it.


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4) A Wikipedist reads a story and writes an article about it.


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5) The reader reads the article and tells a story about it.


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6) The listener hears the case and puts in motion a rumor.


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I don't know where the numbering ends.


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Point one is imaginary, but the rest of the way probably goes like that.


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Wikipedia's position in terms of information is neither cutting edge nor tail, but firmly in the middle.


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Before Wikipedia, there was one less intermediate step.


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—Pxos (debate) 11 March 2018 at 12:02pm (EET) As a practical approach, I see the issues raised in the article like this: 1) Language tones: few of us are capable of truly neutral text.


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For this reason, text reviewers and fellow authors play an important role and no one should be indignant about corrections.


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2) Reliability of sources: I write about topics I know pre-existing or have at least some degree of feel for.


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As sources, I don't “ever” visit so-called tabloids, advertising channels, local newspapers and one-person websites.


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Instead, I prefer as original sources as possible, such as non-commercial media, government statistics and company annual reports.


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—Huhdanjo (debate) 11 March 2018 at 12:48pm (EET) Good discussion opening.


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The development mentioned by Aamulehti is best noticed when reading age-old news stories from the 1950s—1960s.


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At the time, newspapers were focused on conveying facts and a reporter's opinions were well hidden between the lines.


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Compared to this, today's quality magazines feel like nothing more than opinion writings.


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At worst, the facts are lumped into the information box and the whole breadtext is the reporter's opinion on the matter.


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This should definitely be taken into account when writing Wikipedia.


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Let's focus on facts in articles and be careful with subjective views.


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At the very least, it should be mentioned whose opinion is concerned, without the reader having to take the view from which source the view was taken from.


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—Jannex (debate) 11 March 2018 at 1:32pm (EET) A random wiki A random wiki button would be great to see sometime in the future.


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It hardly takes much know-how to put a button that will lottery the entire database (psl.


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other languages) of a random wiki.


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Sure, I like it here, too, without it. —Comment was submitted by 188.238.151.204 (debate) on 23 March 2018 at 2:23pm (EET) You can try to click on the front page sidebar already.


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Though unlogged, it's pretty suffering. —Urjanhai (debate) 23 March 2018 at 2:40pm (EET) The user's code language expression “psl.”


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can be interpreted as the term “excluding”.


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So a random wiki project in Finnish is asked to draw a lottery in the Wikimedia Foundation sibling series.


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You can see them from this model, so there aren't too many of them.


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—Pxos (debate) 23 March 2018 at 3:07pm (EET) There may be false information about kibibyte and kilobyte?


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Wikipedia's kilobyte and kibibyte data are wrong as far as I know, and if I don't remember incorrectly, the kilobyte was 1024 bytes and the kibibyte was 1000 bytes, it would be good to update that especially since, for example, working with smart technology can soon become a wolf if it is not yet. but but rather check soon... overflowing data can be a little uncomfortable if you don't want the whole world to gloss over your personal.


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(samsam) —Comment left by samSam812 (discussion—edits) on 25 March 2018 at 04:08 (EEST) 210 on 1024 -> in that respect is correct.


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“kibitbyte” is just another designation for the existing practice.


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see.


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That is, no need to change the article.


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Quite different is whether all WP's articles are made according to that, some articles still have bits and bytes messed up because correction is slow.


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That is, by no means trust the information provided by WP, always check with other sources.


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Ipr1 (debate) 25 March 2018 at 05:59 (EEST) Living to dead?


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Is there any policy when a person is allowed to be removed from the “books of the living” when the year of his death is unknown?


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I have been going through the year of death missing category, and there were at least two individuals (Arne Eriksson and S. K. Halme) who may still very well be alive.


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—Joe K. (debate) March 6, 2018 at 12:42pm (EET) Very possible (although not certain) is that a person's 100th birthday might have been reported if they were alive.


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I can't say. —Urjanhai (debate) 6 March 2018 at 1:06pm (EET) But even then it is uncertain whether the news of either the anniversary or the passing will be quoted on wikipedia or if a possible news item can be found in an online search. —Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 4:44pm (EET) I sent a survey about Eriksson.


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—Makira Fi.


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(debate) 6 March 2018 at 1:08 p.m. (EET) No, I suppose, but the practice “Articles on Living Persons”, according to its introductory text, ceases to be valid for articles of persons whose 115years have passed since birth.


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—Pxos (debate) 6 March 2018 at 1:09pm (EET) Addendum: After all, this is also a non-practice written here.


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—Pxos (debate) 6 March 2018 at 1:23pm (EET) There must be certainty of death.


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It's worse to label a living person as dead than to forget the death record of the deceased from the article.


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Most people have made their names on Wikipedia through their lifetime merits, when death is nothing more than a puny little detail along or away from their careers.


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—Lax (debate) 7 March 2018 at 10:06am (EET) As far as Finns are concerned, we can probably start from the fact that anyone who, based on their date of birth, is older than the oldest person in Finland is surely already dead.


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At present, at least Finns born before 1908 can automatically be presumed dead.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 8 March 2018 at 12:48pm (EET) Would it be its own research compared to the practice referred to above?


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(Kind of like bringing my own reasoning further up.)


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—Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 1:22pm (EET) I think it would not be a study of its own, but specifically leaning on external sources, albeit indirectly.


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If the media proclaims that the oldest person in Finland is someone born in 1908, then Wikipedia must believe this information and walk away from the assumption that there are no older than that.


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Thus, for example, a Finn born in 1906 cannot be alive (indirect testimony).


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An exception could, in principle, be a situation where a Finn would have disappeared abroad and “ceased to be Finnish”.


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If you want to play it safe, you can use the oldest person in the world — who is apparently older than the 115 years mentioned in practice today.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 8 March 2018 at 1:39pm (EET) If we want to talk about concrete cases, there would appear to be two Finns born in 1907, Irene Rajala and Vilho Aarniaho.


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Unless hiding abroad are dead with quite a bit of certainty.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 8 March 2018 at 2:09pm (EET) EDIT: I found a source for Aarniaho having died as early as 1993, not so far found for Rajala.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 8 March 2018 at 2:25pm (EET) In my opinion, Wikipedia:Adding a person's death information to the instruction can add a mention that the year of death is missing and remove the living persons in the category if the person is older than 115 years.


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You can also increase the number of years even bigger if that seems too low.


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—Zache (debate) March 8, 2018 at 1:31pm (EET) Then when a person is kept alive and declared 100 years old based on Wikipedia information.


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You shouldn't do something like that either.


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—Pxos (debate) 8 March 2018 at 2:33pm (EET) Yep, by no means.


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Yes that classification always requires an explicit source of being alive.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 3:11pm (EET) But how to classify now: if you delete the category of people over one hundred years old, then do the category be removed or not living persons and adding the year of death is missing or not, that is to say leave without both of these categories?


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Approximately at least Pxos just did and I did the same for a few people starting with the letter K. —Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 4:34pm (EET) User:Zache argued that the category of living persons should not be removed from children under the age of 115.


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This raises the idea of whether a Category:Personal Data is missing, etc. (meaning 'lack of survival knowledge'), where, however, the problem would be how young you can give it, or whether it would be better to simply be classified as a living person.


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It is very possible that for not very well known little-to-hundred-year-old individuals, both the possible death information and the possible anniversary information may remain unquoted on wikipedia and perhaps not found in an online search as well.


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In different matricles, updating may occur, but possibly with a delay or not at all. —Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 5:05pm (EET) On the other hand, it is probably obvious that in Category: People who have lived over one hundred years of age should not be classified if there is no source for the information that they have lived more than one hundred years old.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 5:09 p.m. (EET) But perhaps that category of living persons would be the clearest, because evil in that age is even hinted at.


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whether persons are to be left completely without a class of surviving or dead, or not, and if not, whether it is systematically marked as alive until otherwise is demonstrated.


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The alternative would be to leave the articles without a class taking a position on possible being alive.


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But would it be a worse option anyway?


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Because even that is a bit demonstrative and, by extension, potentially offensive.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 5:19pm (EET) However, that verification of the data that User:Risukarhi did helps to narrow down the crowd.


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Although only some of the papers have an online search, all tiewto may not be reached. —Urjanhai (debate) 8 March 2018 at 5:24pm (EET) Enkkuwiki (and a dozen other language versions) has its own category for 'possibly living persons'.


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According to the guidance, people over 90 years of age can be added, whose actions are not available for at least the last ten years (and those born over 115 years ago are transferred to the Year of Death Missing category).


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In part, an import-like class would remove the ambiguity that probably the hanging of already dead seniors in the category of living persons to 115 years old produces.


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—Advocation for this, 9 March 2018 at 10:28am (EET)


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—Zache (debate) 9 March 2018 at 11:06am (EET) Similarly.


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Seems good.


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Though a minnow like that 100 years might seem nicer.


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There are probably huge numbers of people living in hiding in the welfare state in Finland.


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Immediately I could list a large number of highly known people over 90 years old who most certainly are alive because they are so well known that an obituary would certainly be published about them in all major media when they died, but have otherwise for years been gone from publicity.


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—Urjanhai (debate) 9 March 2018 at 12:14pm (EET) Agree as Urjanhai.


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The class would be useful to exist, but the lower limit of 90 year age and no data to 10 years seems a bit too low.


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The class could be recommended for discretionary use to people under the age of 100 (e.g., those aged 90 to 100 for whom there has been no data for 25 years and/or whose death would not necessarily exceed the news threshold).


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You could apply to cases where there is no information about a person for 50 years and the year of birth is not known (e.g. if the only information about someone is that someone's book was published in the 1950s).


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—Risukarhi (debate) 9 March 2018 at 2:53pm (EET) I now created a class Class:Potentially Living Persons and wrote a description on it based on the ideas I expressed above.


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I put there still besides “Other, which?”


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type of joker option, because on a case-by-case basis there can always be other legitimate reasons to assume someone is likely to be dead.


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If there is a disagreement on the criteria for grade-demarcation, the debate can be continued even here.


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—Risukarhi (debate) March 25, 2018 at 5:37pm (EEST) About ratings Three problems: I would like comments more broadly on what the different categories include.


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From the article Jannica Fagerholm I had removed economics from the business student class because she does not do science but works in corporate management and boards.


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Likewise, an ordinary business manager or trust chief executive does not fall into the economic influencers category, but includes well-known individuals who influence the economy more broadly.


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The third problem that would need comments is the location of the sources.


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if the information is in the article and the data box, is the place of its source in the data box or in the article?


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In my opinion, sources are noted in the article itself, but the user thinks the right place is the information box.


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—Weird1e (debate) 10 March 2018 at 03:24am (EET) The class teacher is not an educationalist or an economics business scholar.


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The degree of scientists is a Ph.D. in Business Administration.


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If someone studies a bit of business, medicine or law, they're not a scientist on that basis.


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Category Finnish business scientists need to be cleaned up of non-scientists.


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The most obvious thing is to mark the sources both in the article and in the information box.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 10 March 2018 at 10:16am (EET) Yep, science classes should be reserved for scientists.


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—PTG (debate) 10 March 2018 at 11:56am (EET) “Is the place of its source in the information box or in the article?” When, anyway.


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Some data boxes and future templates have a place for the source, in addition they use references anyway.


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However, over-referencing doesn't make reading any easier (which is too much).


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The information box is an abstract of the article and on the other hand again... “An infobox is a fixed-format table usually added to the top right-hand corner of articles to consistently present a summary of some unifying aspect that the articles share and sometimes to improve navigation to other interrelated articles.


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— — — Already cited elsewhere in the article.


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Infoboxes, like the introduction to the article, should primarily contain material that is expanded on and supported by citations to reliable sources elsewhere in the article.


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However, if necessary (e.g., because the article is currently incomplete), it is possible to include footnotes in infoboxes — — — Be aware that although, per wp:Manual of Style/Infoboxes, all information in an infobox ideally should also be found in the main body of an article, there isn't perfect compliance with this guideline.” (Infobox) Probably the modifiers have different interpretations of this.


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Even if it is not directly related to this, some do not think that the introduction needs to be referenced.


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—raid5 (debate) 10 March 2018 at 12:06pm (EET) Several words ending in Finnish are common names in their field, not just referring to scientists.


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The teacher is (usually) a Master of Education, i.e. belongs to a wide range of educationalists, economics master of business studies, meteorologist Master of Philosophy (Meteorology majoring) hence a meteorologist.


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Whether each of them is a scientist, or a scientist or a woman, that is, a scientist, is a different matter and a different classification.


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It may be noted that from teachers we also have a separate class (Class:Finnish teachers) and so is for jurists (Class:Finnish jurists), but Finnish economists do not.


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Category:Finnish businessmen is not the same thing as the economics class and may have already missed their time or at least before the gender balance debate?


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As it stands, both university and master's degrees and professors go into the category of engineers, when no classes have been created for scientists in the field of engineering.


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A couple of examples: and news.


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Classification could be developed, but it is not worth interpreting widely used generic names on wikipedia too narrowly.


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Classification has cosoltic work to be developed; at present, an additional class referring to science can be attached to a scientist; it would initially be strange if classes referring to the field of education were removed (without possibly the use of a new class referring to a university degree).


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Slightly problematic also seems, for example, the rating of directors of foundations (now I classified as a corporate leader, although a better class would be for foundation managers in place).


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Trusts are not businesses, although they may do a sizeable business.


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A discussion could be made about how to classify side or full-time board professionals on multi-company boards.


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In English, they are often called/classified as directors, but at least for small and medium-sized enterprises, classifying all board members as business leaders seems funny in Finnish.


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But when you go into Fortum and Metso's size category, they are at least significant influencers in the business world.


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Because of the board memberships of listed companies, in several articles I have also used a different category than corporate executives.


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There was a similar need to develop ratings relatively recently in the weekly competition of companies, according to the (therefore still preliminary) scoring, the publishing activities of registered associations were classified by companies due to an incorrect classification hierarchy, although legislatively associations are not corporations.


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—Willow (debate) 10 March 2018 at 2:11pm (EET) Wikipedia contains categories such as Jurists and Jurists, and although the basic academic value is Bachelor of Laws (+all former titles), they are not classified as legal scholars and jurists only when they work specifically in judicial functions.


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The clerical apparatus is full of jurists, but they are therefore classified according to the function in which they operate.


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Näikn must also submit in connection with other titles referring to education.


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Those in the business world are happy to be economic influencers, but that rating suffers inflation if you make corporate executives of different levels of influence by rating such broad-based influencers.


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The influencer rating needs to be justified in the article at source.


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—ABC10 (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:19pm (EET) I think the equation is that you sometimes see municipal or mayors classified as' politicians', which they certainly are not (at least not before the mayoral model), unless they are elected to Parliament.


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But when this came up now, how do you think it's going to be with the mayor-city leaders?


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The classification refinement you commonly mentioned would probably be good to do and keep the basic concepts clear. —Urjanhai (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:44pm (EET) In the category Finnish business researchers and its upper class Finnish economists now have professors and rectors (and also doctorates).


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What purpose does one serve to add businessmen or business leaders to the mix?


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They already have their own categories Finnish businessmen and Finnish business leaders.


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If necessary, you can create a new class of Finnish economies if education is decisive.


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That's when the class becomes at least unequivocal.


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Directors of foundations can be classified as directors of foundations.


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One should use unequivocal categories at all so that there won't be a dispute about who gets into a better class than the other.


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For example, you can read from above that mainly the heads of large companies are business influencers, but isn't Jari Sarasvuo a well known SME leader and business influencer?


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:45pm (EET) Sarasvuo is a well-known SME leader, but does that still make him an influence?


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—Urjanhai (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:50pm (EET) Therefore, we should use unequivocal categories.


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Whoever creates a class would also be allowed to write a definition for the class that others know to add real articles to it.


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—Wähäwiisas (debate) 10 March 2018 at 5:30pm (EET) And then I could ask you about this, which has also sometimes been discussed, that if someone is something but is not significant because of that, should we not classify?


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That is, if, for example, an MP is a doctor or a farmer, or a history scientist is a farmer, or the writer is a forester or a builder or a veterinarian, etc.?


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—Urjanhai (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:49pm (EET) Or is it so that the author can be classified as a forester, veterinarian or builder if he deals with builder, forester and veterinarian topics in his production (such as Kalle Päätalo, Veikko Felt and James Herriot, but not if not handled (like George Bonfire)?


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(I think some other topic in the otherwise en-wiki even had some principle like this.)


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—Urjanhai (debate) 10 March 2018 at 3:57pm (EET) On economic influencers, who is such?


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Talouselämä (magazine) whose Pikajänainen 2017 article was a key source for many articles on current women influencers, Namemaa states “Talouselämä (magazine) cleared the 100 most influential Finnish women in Finland for the 18th time.


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Most of all we valued the CEO, the pulling responsibility of a large business, acting on the board of a large listed company and a demanding position in the management team of a large, international company.”


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That is, I do not get out of the hat, that board memberships of a listed company would usually mean significant influence in the business community.


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No (large) listed company pays an annual fee of tens of thousands of euros to the directors and members of its boards for nothing!


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The number one place in this list (2017) is held this year by Sari Baldauf, whose role included chairmanship of the board of the energy company Fortum (the main job in which (in part of my own interpretation) contributed, for example, to use the company's previous (e.g.


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2015) billions in savings in revenue to buy half of a German energy company well bigger than Fortum) and which also has an impact on the supervisory boards of Akzo Nobel, Daimler and Deutsche Telekom.


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Leena Niemistö, runner-up on the list (new article, wearily scraped together) is also an economic influencer primarily through board seats in big companies, secondarily as an angel investor.