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This is normal practice whenever you count a new book or a new edition of a book on the market.


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—Alexius Manfelt 8 January 2007 at 01:05 (UTC) A little late, I take a stand on the matter, because from the experience of yours that high school textbooks are thoroughly checked for both scientific accuracy and pedagogical matters.


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The inspection of textbooks was abandoned in 1992.


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The fact that a book has a cost editor and is proofread for the biggest typos is not checking textbooks, as you well know.


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Unless you know what checking textbooks is, ask directly at 81.175.156.161 on January 8, 2007 at 2:03pm (UTC) Wring from wireframe?


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I know that centralized inspection of textbooks was abandoned in 1992.


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But publishers have maintained their own inner vetting processes, at least when it comes to history textbooks.


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The book is made first of all by textbook authors and publishing editors work with them - a given.


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After the textbook is illustrated, captioned and written, then different publishers have their own ways.


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I, for one, have read some publisher's textbooks and know they are still listed by one or two other people.


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Usually, therefore, usually, there are no errors in the books, but yes they happen to every textbook with a couple of pieces.


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Approximately, therefore, internal and varied precision works, even if there is no official inspection anymore.


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As regards my knowledge of the previous audit process, the honourable IPP points out that I have already completed, as one of the few Finns, the top grade in school administration, which, by the way, can no longer be completed due to the low number of undergraduates.


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—Alexius Manfelt 8 January 2007 at 2:32pm (UTC) As a comment on the matter of checking textbooks: different subjects such as mathematics and religion may have very different truth values.


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It's very difficult to check them, whether it's done by the government or by the publisher.


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In textbooks of different denominations, for example, descriptions of historical events may be opposites of each other (see.


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History of Europe from the perspectives of Islam and christ.church history!).


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- Therefore, on an abstract level, answering Ulrika's question is very questionable and Ulrika's direct action with this instruction after the clear statement of the “coffee room experts” can be diletantism at worst.


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- I actually put my high school religion textbook as the source.


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I didn't see a problem with that, because 1) conviction was mentioned 2) the name of the source book.


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It became a problem only at the point when the party of the conviction (ev.lut.church) was removed, leaving only the name of the book.


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This happened pretty quickly to this high school religion textbook and I'm sad that it was put in there at all.


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—Evlut 9 January 2007 at 02:30 (UTC) I understand that practically anything can be used as a textbook, regardless of whether it has truth value or not.


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Historical perspectives on different issues may be divergent, but there is still only one truth.


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And I wonder if anyone finds, say, different truths about Euclidean geometry.


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—Feathers January 10, 2007 at 15:57 (UTC) Friend dear, you have understood perfectly correctly that any book goes textbook.


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Or, there is no need for a textbook, but various other residential areas to find out, for example, the necessary things in history.


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But further up there, the only reason I am trying to justify is that when textbooks are an excellent business, then their authoring companies decode as much truth as possible, in history, and therefore use their own inspectors.


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I've learned to line the use of textbooks, I wonder why?


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By Friendship —Alexius Manfelt 10 January 2007 at 4:16pm (UTC) The Christian community debate is seen sprawling here and there.


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The essential problem with the article is that the Christian community wants to be Christian, but Christian churches and communities do not accept it as Christian, so at least not those who have expressed a position.


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This view of others has been attempted in that article under the heading “Others' views”.


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There is a source reference for all views, which accurately states where the view came from.


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For some reason, it's not valid, it's Christian communityers (or their representatives or some...) who want to choose the format.


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I am very sad that the views of others are constantly being sought to sabotage.


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I would like to see them given their place on this controversial issue.


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I created that title as “Others' Views” when it used to be in the form of “Classification of the Christian Community”.


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I thought this way it's less stigmatizing and can be accepted by Christian community people too.


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Later I moved it still to the end of the article so as not to be in it at the beginning immediately distracting anyone's eyes.


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Nothing will do.


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I feel very sad.


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—Ulrika 10 January 2007 at 16:40 (UTC) Wikipedia has a lot of non-profit and religious articles showing the majority viewpoint because it is readily available.


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For example, many articles about religious movements emphasize the fact that one is an official church and the others are sects.


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However, the UN Declaration of Human Rights, which has been accepted by all UN Member States, is based on religious freedom and equality of religions.


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For example, in the article Jehovah's Witnesses shines through the fact that it is not properly familiarized with the differences between theology and the science of religion, but on the basis of one of the deity doctrines, or theologies, that the argument is religious science.


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In a country where there are two state churches, one should most recently peel directly from the textbook the text on religious movements directly, even if the texts of the religious movements themselves are even more alien and incomprehensible.


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81.175.154.156 11 January 2007 at 18:58 (UTC) It has now emerged that at least I and a couple of others have a lack of clarity about how to count the removal votes, see the discussion over there.


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Should the guidelines be clarified, possibly voted on, if it is unclear what the guidelines actually mean, etc?


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—Ulrika 8 January 2007 at 09:23 (UTC) No pliis votes, where has the good old debate lost?


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There is nothing unclear in my opinion: the deletion proposal is counted as a deletion vote when nothing else is mentioned and when the author is eligible to vote, then count the votes of those in favour of deletion and oppose deletion and throw the article into the bit sky if 70% or more are in favour of removal... easy and simple.


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—Agony (403) 8 January 2007 at 09:29 (UTC) Would you finally stop confusing and counting votes from the voting field?


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81.175.156.161 8 January 2007 at 14:14 (UTC) There are two interpretations.


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According to the first, votes are counted from the voting field


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According to another interpretation, the share voice of the person who made the performance is rejected because the author of the show is forced to agree with their presentation.


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According to another option of interpretation, the author of the presentation may disagree with his or her presentation if he specifically mentions it.


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Thus a situation is formed, according to which the way the votes are counted depends on how the author of the motion does not declare himself.


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The most interesting interpretation goes when the author of the output himself votes to remove it.


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Thus, the position consists of presentation, but not by doing, in which case you actually come to the ultimate, that is vandalism; a person makes articles and modelling which he genuinely advocates the removal of, even if, of course, one might correct them into a valid form or not even do.


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81.175.154.156 11 January 2007 at 22:18 (UTC) No vote on this need be held.


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That point the instruction can (be considered) naturally clarified.


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—Joonasl (tell) 8 January 2007 at 09:32 (UTC) Well, therefore, to clarify, the proposal to vote was a bit of a twinkle in the eye corner made.


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Please clarify, I do not need to now, and it may be misworded, but so that you can make a proposal even if it is not worthwhile, but that it must be pointed out separately not. —Ulrika 8 January 2007 at 09:35 (UTC) What if, with a twinkle in your eye, you started developing articles and not just getting out of there, for example, the fact boxes like today?


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You wouldn't guess how much work generates for writers to keep track of your editing counter fattening grooves, which are actually drains.


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Even if you personally don't like lay-outs, at least save the factual information and write it down in the article, how you like or aesthetic.


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81.175.156.161 8 January 2007 at 2:16pm (UTC) What do you think about these terrible beams example of terrible bars Raimo Vistbacka, how do you think they fit the articles —Musamies 8 January 2007 at 16:17 (UTC) They don't really mind.


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You might want to expand the article so doesn't bother so much.


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—Zxc 9 January 2007 at 03:00 (UTC) The same could be said shorter in the text, but the author apparently assumes those would bring prestige when the articles of several rulers and state leaders have such bars.


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In reality, they make their targets look almost ridiculous when it comes to a pretty ordinary small-time politician.


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—Ulrika 9 January 2007 at 04:44 (UTC) I think that such bars could be taken away —Musamies on 9 January 2007 at 05:12 (UTC) I agree with Musamies.


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They often ruin the article and are even detrimental to understanding the issue.


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It could be quite well told in the article itself.


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—Alexius Manfelt on January 9, 2007 at 05:49 (UTC) Hide but, when templates take up half or even more than the space occupied by the article in its entirety, have them the same hide by default.


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Now the lower part looks a little better.


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—Agony (403) 9 January 2007 at 06:41 (UTC) On what basis are classes made?


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I just made an article about three Bob Dylan compilation albums.


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There's a dedicated category for Dylan's albums.


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On what basis do you make some artist's records their own class?


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As far as I know, many other vocalists have made as many albums as Dylan?


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Not e.g. Elvis's discs (of which there are so many) don't have a class of their own either?


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The names of the albums in question begin with an article about Dylan in Bob Dylan's Greatest...


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Either of the records of which I made have the names Greatest Hits More Bob Dylan Greatest Hits Bob Dylan's Greatest Hits Volume 3 Are there any compilation albums of that name possibly made under several different names?


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Both years of publication match between my own records and those in the Dylan article.


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—Street on January 9, 2007 at 15:13 (UTC) The class is made if anyone wants it done.


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There are NO policies for that.


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If, on the other hand, someone feels that a mokoma class is redundant, mark it as crap, or at the very least put in a delete suggestion.


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That is, you can create categories just like you can create new articles. —Esal-74 on January 9, 2007 at 23:24 (UTC) To specify: the creation of a class and what is a good criterion for classification is the policy on the page Wikipedia:Classification.


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Further information can also be found in the Removal Policy Guidelines.


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—Hasdrubal 10 January 2007 at 06:50 (UTC) Although classes can be done like articles, classes are not articles.


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Classes are a way to organize information and thus help knowledge discovery.


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-Samulili 10 January 2007 at 09:40 (UTC) Album titles that Greatest Hits Vol.II has been released in continental Europe under the name you mentioned.


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Links to both: and.


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This is by no means uncommon for compilation albums and reissues as far as I can tell, studio albums are obviously a thing separately.


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Albums' cover art also often differs depending on the country of release.


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—Jukka Kolppanen 11 January 2007 at 12:43am (UTC) Protected and partially protected pages have you paid attention to a point, many times protected or partially protected pages remain protected for an unreasonably long period of time, detrimental to Wikipedia's principle of transparency: any one is allowed to edit pages.


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Protections are removed at a much faster pace, for example, in enkkuwiki, but here they remain haunted for some reason even too long (excluding floppy vandal pages).


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Is it the case that the administrator who did the security doesn't bother to put the page on their watch list, for example, if there happens to be suggestions for improvement or a similar comment on the consensus to move the situation forward.


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One drawback here, too, is that administrators can arbitrarily protect the page when they feel like it, though I'm not complaining about this now, good work has been done.


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It would be good if the protections were removed at the same rate.


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Or whether there is perhaps a threshold to remove the security made recently by a fellow administrator or simply laziness and burying the matter.


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For example, would it be possible to make a list of protected pages that could be voluntarily injected into their watchlist by as many administrators as possible and that a discussion page could inject a comment if a page seems to have been forgotten for an unreasonably long time protected.


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For example, on that page Discussion:Record Factory has no administrator bothered to comment or do anything for the cause.


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Such laziness and indifference already hinders the development of Wikipedia.


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For Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.


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—Zxc 10 January 2007 at 23:48 (UTC) Five articles protected from almost 95,000?


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Well, we have the little problems.


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Force-fed and floppy articles have been repeatedly the target of vandalism and keeping them partially locked is therefore justified.


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—Joonasl (tell) 11 January 2007 at 09:02 (UTC) What, then, is it difficult to keep an eye on five pages of discussion pages?


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In general, pages should not be fully protected as in extreme situations and protection should be taken away as soon as possible, even if no discussion arises.


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You can protect the page every time again with a few mouse clicks.


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Isn't this the case.


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Partially protected pages complicate the editing zeal of anonymous.


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Let us take one more example in the enkkuwiki: Semi-protection should not be used: As a preemptive measure against vandalism before any vandalism has occurred.


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Is the maintenance of a fi wiki really that overworked?


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The point here is to point out the unreasonably long security times and the unresponsiveness of administrators to discussions on the discussion pages of protected pages.


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Such activity is reportedly not part of Wikipedia's policy.


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Minor problems reportedly do not include being swept under the rug.


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—Zxc 11 January 2007 at 15:43 (UTC) Yes, at least you would think that Atlantis could already be unleashed, just a single editing war and no systematic vandalism.


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—ML 11 January 2007 at 19:06 (UTC) Can some wise administrator tell me why he considers Saddam Hussein, the Record Factory and the Atlantic protected.


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I could add at least points to the policy after the weekend not to anticipate protection as well as maximum week-long protection in the case, if necessary again in case of disturbances.


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Nothing seems to come of this, by the way, and no one would be happy to distract the people who put the protection with unnecessary messages unless they have to, so it would have to go smoothly.


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The current protection policy has far too much power over individual individuals over the protection of articles, it certainly violates something against Wikipedia's belief.


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Even if only five articles are protected there is this important issue of principle.


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—Zxc on January 12, 2007 at 01:59 (UTC) Yeah, really no protections over a week in any case.


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In edit war cases, you can always deter warring corridors under the 3RR rule, and you shouldn't even use anything other than semi-protect against vandalism (and not even that many days continuously, and certainly no “advance protection”).


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- C12H22O11 (speech) January 12, 2007 at 15:17 (UTC) Do you volunteer to observe 24/7, for short, slightly longer and even longer blocks have been tried, there is always a failure as soon as the blocking is removed.


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Another option is to ban all IP addresses used by RuneScape players under 15 years of age... —Agony (403) 12 January 2007 at 15:58 (UTC) Recentchanges exists because vandalism can be fought quickly.


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Based on the history of the page, by the way, the protection doesn't seem to prevent vandalism, but is vandalized with usernames.


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But yeah, I understand this kind of isolated case, en-wiki has en:George W Bush permanently semi-protected, but I do not accept that pages are protected for long periods of time because of minor vandalism, and certainly not that because of some individual editing war, all but admins from editing articles for many weeks.


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The basic idea behind Wikipedia is that it can be edited by anyone.


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There's a risk of vandalism involved, but because of that risk, you shouldn't restrict that original idea.


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Whether those protected articles are five or five hundred is not relevant, because as Zxc said, it is an important principle.


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- C12H22O11 (speech) on 12 January 2007 at 17:55 (UTC) The English Wikipedia currently has Expression error: Unrecognized punctuation character “,”.


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admin.


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Yes I bet someone in the crowd can be found who spots repeated vandalism in a particular article and re-locks it in the best way they look.


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After all, administrators have the option to mark pages as checked, which I don't think many people use, since Paananen Mikko often finds clutter left unnoticed by others later.


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Such cases as force-fed, floppy disks and RuneScape now are still somehow understandable that they are partially blocked for a longer period of time (although it is wrong that too), but that whole protection of articles for long periods of time makes no sense.


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Especially if any article is completely protected for the first time, and there has been no vandalism there before immediately after the protection was removed.


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This practice should be intensified and not made a tease for modifiers.


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I still remind you of what the previous commenter said: The basic idea of Wikipedia is that it can be edited by anyone.


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This policy is roughly violated by lazy admins, whether a worse crime than vandalizing RuneScape will flame.


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Should I ask this about meta and find out the policies from other Wikis?


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Hopefully, in the future the media will not see the headlines 'All information on Wikipedia can no longer be edited freely'.


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—Zxc 13 January 2007 at 05:42 (UTC) Cannot mention MP candidacy?


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The election is approaching and the election campaign via Wikipedia is accelerating.


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I believe that information that expires on 21 March 2007 should not be accepted in articles, and that is how I have understood the views of others.


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Besides, it's an election ad.


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But if the other position gains stronger support, then added to all candidates.


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—Ulrika 11 January 2007 at 08:57 (UTC) Surely the fact that a person is mentioned as a candidate is no advertisement.


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And the fact that you have been nominated is not in any way more obsolete information, yes the nomination will remain a fact even after the election.


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That is, I think it can quite well be mentioned in the article.


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—Joonasl (tell) 11 January 2007 at 08:59 (UTC) The candidacy expires, of course you can mess around with the wording.


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But the fact is that after 21 March, no one will be a candidate.


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—Ulrika on 11 January 2007 at 09:01 (UTC) He has always been a candidate and it is worth mentioning.


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—Jaakko Sivonen on 11 January 2007 at 09:03 (UTC) Hmm.. how the phrase “Party X placed person Y as your candidate pp.kk.


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yyvvv to the 2007 parliamentary elections” is getting old?


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—Joonasl (tell) 11 January 2007 at 09:03 (UTC) The nomination expires, it is true, but can't the history be told on Wikipedia too?


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For example, similarly, an athlete's valueparticipation is old knowledge immediately after the end of the Games.


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-TKahkonen 11 January 2007 at 09:06 (UTC) This very much depends on whether a tabloid or an encyclopedia is being delivered.


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Some people think that Wikipedia is a news service for current events, where they write the background on things that you can't get from Finnish news sources.


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Still others think it's enough to have some century-old encyclopedia copied into Wikipedia as an electronic encyclopedia.


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Accordingly, there is information on offer which the great-grandfather would have been very happy if he had had electricity and a computer at home, as well as a telecommunications link, in addition to an oil lamp.


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81.175.154.156 11 January 2007 at 21:29 (UTC) I was just thinking of adding the discussion here myself, but go about it like this.


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It is not advertising, I think candidacy is part of a person's life and I feel there is no reason not to mention it.


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You can write it so that you don't get old inside the sentence: you don't write “is about to be nominated” but “nominated”.


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-TKahkonen 11 January 2007 at 09:01 (UTC) So, according to you, because of the supposed laziness of users (you presume), no relevant information should be added?


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Shouldn't presidential candidates' articles have added information about candidacy before the election either?


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—Jaakko Sivonen, 11 January 2007 at 09:01 (UTC) Now, no.


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Admittedly there weren't many of them, but the logic of the reasoning would say this.


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And admittedly it's a matter of different sizes, but maybe still.


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I was not active at the time and, in hindsight, I don't know how to take the same position.


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I'll think about my position more carefully when the next presidential election comes along.


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Ask me again then.


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—Ulrika 11 January 2007 at 10:15 (UTC) Why should Wikipedia be a history book?


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Why can't you tell about events there in this time as other electronic communications do?


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On what basis does Wikipedia have to only have things that happened?


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The 'current' class wouldn't be relevant then.


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81.175.154.156 On 11 January 2007 at 21:31 (UTC), no article is created out of 2000 persons due to candidacy, but instead information about candidacy is added to existing articles about persons standing for election.


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On your grounds, nothing current could be written on Wikipedia.


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—Jaakko Sivonen on 11 January 2007 at 09:05 (UTC) You can mention the candidacy, but it should not be used as a reason for deletion in the vote.


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—Taulapaa 11 January 2007 at 11:35 AM (UTC) Many arguments for deletion voting are non-consistet and undiscrete.


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Many people mark minitigs as garbage, even if there is also a mini-stub option for the article because the article really only reserves a search term in its category.


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Many articles about groups are like this.


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No control over the context of what is moderated because there is no navigation field to indicate context, list article, or compilation article.


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The contradiction lies in the fact that articles are considered too short or irrelevant as articles, even though the totality of where they belong or belong, if not hasty in moderation, is significant in itself.


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Attempts to eliminate the problem will be rebuffed in list articles, where it is horrified that even the most trivial parts of their class “get their own article”.


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In other words, moderation already takes a preview on issues which are not yet known and moderation does not even give you access to.


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Aulis Eskola mentioned something similar about hasty moderation on another occasion.


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81.175.154.156 January 11, 2007 at 21:26 (UTC) Tam?


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More succinctly, thanks.


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-TKahkonen 11 January 2007 at 21:29 (UTC) Conciseness is offensive and contrary to good manners.


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In addition, they are often interpreted as personal insults as well.


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81.175.154.156 11 January 2007 at 21:32 (UTC) The substance of your message is wasted on that game.


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—Ulrika 12 January 2007 at 06:42 (UTC) I thought there was agreement here, but still Ulrika feels that the candidacy must not be mention1.


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Personally, I don't understand why any single aspect of life should be screwed.


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Any opinions yet?


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-TKahkonen 28 January 2007 at 09:32 (UTC) It makes sense to tell the situation after the election.


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it's news, promoting a candidacy is an election ad.


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Whoever didn't get into parliament, I doubt he wants to be told on Wikipedia in the world pin that he tried to enter parliament, but the poor thing didn't make it.


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Instead, in the case of those who have arrived after the election, we can tell that they have been elected MP (again) 2007.


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I promise to engage with you as soon as the election results are confirmed.


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—Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 09:47 (UTC) It makes sense to tell us right away.


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We don't have to ask people what we get to write about them on Wikipedia.


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I ask you again: why is candidacy an election ad and such a part of life that it must not be mentioned?


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Isn't everything else in the article also an election ad?


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The whole article is an election ad: a quiz in a prominent place on the net!


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One mention of the nomination in it doesn't weigh much.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2007 at 09:56 (UTC) You are obviously looking at it from the perspective of a candidate preparing for the election, I am looking at it from another tip.


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Knowledge gets old, after the election all the articles of the impenetrable candidates should go to complete the knowledge that you can't access or remove the knowledge about the candidacy, whichever way, anyway it seems to me to be the kind of pointless employment that should be avoided when Wikipedia has so endless things to do anyway.


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Knowledge of access will become clear in less than two months, wait patiently. —Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 10:07 AM (UTC) Thank you don't guess my sight tips.


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It's kind of pointless and irrelevant.


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But I can tell you.


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I'm approaching this issue from a Wikipedia perspective: if the nomination isn't mentioned, it's a deficiency in Wikipedia's data.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2007 at 10:17 (UTC) There is no obligation here to edit their article.


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In fact, it is even frowned upon.


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Therefore, it is a bit strange request to add information about the result.


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(I read a bit wrong) But why on earth should information be removed after the election?


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I don't understand again.


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-TKahkonen 28 January 2007 at 10:19am (UTC) I have noticed that I am expressing myself somehow ambiguously when you do not understand or misunderstand.


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Silk thread: it's funny that the page says he was a candidate then and then, but there's no information about the result.


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Instead, let's deal with it once and after the election, and not have to be marked in more than two hundred articles.


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What party did you represent again? —Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 10:42am (UTC) As I said, you have a bad habit of drawing conclusions about what people think about.


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If you are somehow facilitated though, then guess about these my party:,,,,.


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I don't see anything funny about telling a part of a person's history.


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Rather, it's funny not to tell.


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Wikipedia is flawed.


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It's a permanent fact.


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However, let us reduce this inadequacy by telling about a person everything that can be done.


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-TKahkonen 28 January 2007 at 11:12am (UTC) It now seems, however, that I express myself clearly and understandably, you just lack the desire to understand.


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What can I say anymore?


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I have already asked who is going to complete the information immediately after the election for all the candidates who didn't get into Parliament, but that chore doesn't show you worrying about.


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In Väenvänga, you want to promote candidacy, although you can take a peek at the election pages, which are enough.


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In addition, each self-respecting candidate has his own Internet pages where he can tell about his candidacy and what he will do if he gets into parliament, as well as any other nice words that voters might believe in.


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Let's have an electoral battle elsewhere, let's tell you the results on Wikipedia.


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—Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 11:59am (UTC) No worries.


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Wikipedia is flawed and that inadequacy is not helped by deleting information.


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There are countless pages online where you can find the information on Wikipedia.


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Who completes that information?


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Random article reading or possibly a participant in some project.


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However, there is no compelling need to supplement, because passing through or not getting through does not change the knowledge that has been a candidate.


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(Not into this Wikipedia anyone forcibly contributes, hopefully.)


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-TKAHKonen 28 January 2007 at 12:58 (UTC) The nomination may be mentioned.


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If there is a fear that Wikipedia could ever have outdated information, you should not write here like about abandoned laws of nature.


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Samulili 28 January 2007 12:16 (UTC) That's your view.


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However, if the article has included, for example, the age of a person or this year or right now, etc., they have been removed on the grounds that the information expires.


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This nomination, on the other hand, expires in less than two months, after which the article needs to be updated whether or not it was selected.


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Therefore, it is better that it is only after the election on 21 March that information about the elected is recorded, and if someone wants to know that they did not get elected, let them add it yourself.


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—Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 12:41 (UTC) If it is written “is 50 years old” in the article, it expires.


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“Is born on 2.4.1940" does not expire.


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“Is as a candidate” expires, “was nominated” does not expire.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2007 at 12:58 (UTC) Who cares anymore after the election “named candidate”?


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Instead, after 21 March, you'll be interested in who got into parliament.


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Of course, parties are interested in as hard as possible before the election.


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After that, it will be allowed to be almost four years at peace again, at least for parliamentary elections.


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—Ulrika 28 January 2007 at 13:03 (UTC) Who cares at any time any information?


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Somebody.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2007 at 13:30 (UTC) An unchecked moderation of the article on the MP has been removed from the mention that an MP who served as a military pastor has been acting as a rovasti.


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The moderator has corrected before then that the villain must have been a field rat because he's been a military pastor.


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Eventually, the whole information that the person concerned is a rov has been cleared off the page.


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Does it say anywhere in the instructions of the moderator that it would be worthwhile to look at the sources first and not change the content of the article without checking it out?


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In this case, the article is in the first place supplemented with misinformation, even if the correct information contained in the article was in the link in the article and once the uncertainty threshold has been exceeded, the entire information has been cleared off the page.


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Introspective moderation eventually produces a page draining of an already written and researched issue.


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81.175.154.156 12 January 2007 at 05:04 (UTC) Well, neither did the original be completely correct:.


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Oinonen is defined as a military priest, although he has last held it in 1990.


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It's true that I unsubscribed because I didn't notice it at the end of the parliamentary matricle.


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By the way, I think the article changed for the better after a little retrieval.


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—ML January 12, 2007 at 05:13 (UTC) Every article looks cooler when standardized into navigation templates, fact box, classes, and list.


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In fact, the way of doing precise work has long since disappeared from here, and really just rave about the issues of style.


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As for Oinose, I suspect, although I am not sure that his profile as an MP candidate was based not so much on the fact that he would have been some fixed-term etc chaplain in an ordinary parish, but on the fact that in the 1990s there was a fear of being represented by George Paile Vladimir Zhironovsky so much that, for the sake of certainty, was procured for ground fields US aircraft carrier fighters due to ground combat capabilities.


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In addition, preparations were made for hunger refugees, etc., so that it became advantageous - for the first time in Finnish political history - to emphasize that he was, not a priest, but a military chaplain, and not a doctor, but a military doctor.


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Generally, the prefix military- means something less in academic professions than just the “quite ordinary” kind.


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Of course, there should be some election advertisements and an electoral list to conclude how the image of the patriotic military pastor who served in the Keuruu garrison was formed or formed in due course.


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If you now want to read more about military pastors, for example, beyond the fact that the hoe guests harassed an Oriosen taxi with one of the castle parties and got him into parliamentary reactions as an MP, or how Oinonen, as a man of the older people, texts rather wittily, I recommend Yaroslav Hasekin records the Good Private Svejk.


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There Austro-Hungarian military doctors and military pastors are described as such a reference group that no better matter.


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81.175.154.156 13 January 2007 at 02:55 (UTC) Some moderation errors Minstub will be marked as rubbish (that is, not checking where and how the article relates to) Minstub will be marked for deletion vote, even if similar articles on the same topic and the same main article related already exists (same as labeling as junk) Supplementing the article with its own assumptions, which are not verified, even if there is no known subject or subject matter When there is enough uncertain information on the move and still not verified, clear the page of the data, in which case the article converges on a stub or mini-stub, rather than a full-fledged and full-fledged article: only classes and templates collate the reader alone.


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81.175.154.156 12 January 2007 at 05:08 (UTC) Hopi hopi to vote I stinger now then finally vote Discussion on Wikipedia:Verification of changes.


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If there is any interest in that feature of the softa and the method by which that right is given, you should vote.


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— Cimon Avaro, silent pole jumper on 13 January 2007 at 07:23 (UTC) using Hapo Ulrika's method, Hapo uses Ulrika's method to eliminate classes.


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In order to remove the Current category for the subject matter, the class has first cleared the class of about ten of its members and only after that the class is marked as junk, although that procedure corresponds to the method of other loosely covered articles in order to better bring the current to be brought up.


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81.175.154.156 13 January 2007 at 2:25pm (UTC) Are all persons who have ever served as MPs in Finland significant or Wikipedia stuff?


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For example, are there some precedents?


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I thought it would be good to start with even stubs from the rest of them, but this would be important first to find out:).


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(I would recall that there would have been some discussion somewhere on the subject, but I couldn't find a search then.)


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—Jetman January 13, 2007 at 21:28 (UTC) Are significant.


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Samulili 13 January 2007 at 21:58 (UTC) There was a debate: Just to do that, the matricle is a great help.


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-TKahkonen on 13 January 2007 at 22:04 (UTC) H or B?


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That is, there would be a need for a practice that would tell which Finnish wiki should use H or B.


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The topic has already been discussed in the WikiLibrary.


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So the question is which in Finnish is exactly the tune, H or B.


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Personally, I'm used to H's use of the root tune and the discounted H for B, Wikipedia, Wikipedia, Wiktionary and Wiktionary (Wikiaaineistoahan this is not about) are international projects, but Finnish languages, so that's why I support H as a root tune.


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For more arguments from users of different viewpoints, you can read on that Wiki Library.


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—Tigru 14 January 2007 at 06:22 (UTC) Yes, it is B, I myself never use B, but for me it has always been and always will be H, but the purpose of the Wiki is not to hit the last millennium, but to stay current.


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(though not entirely its algorithms feeling) is a good help in defining the current situation, and in this case the situation is pretty clear.


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Also on Google by searching only pages in Finnish, the situation is EADGHE 272 vs.


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EADGBE 118 is more than double the difference but rather void in quantity.


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—Agony (403) 14 January 2007 at 08:01 (UTC) It seems pretty absurd to me to even discuss the issue.


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In Finnish, the scale has been and is still H (until proven otherwise), this is the Finnish Wikipedia, so we use H here.


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Reduced H is in turn B.


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And Bach composed H-minor Mass, not B minor.


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Yes, some people on the pop side have ended up using the B system because they are so often dealing with English material, English speakers and English speaking people (not to mention English song lyrics), but I don't believe a damn about that in the Wiki Library the implicit claim that music colleges are profitably turning to the B system.


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I'm not familiar with the textbook mentioned on the Wiklibrary page, Doctor Toonika, but its authors were revealed in a google search to be Pop & Jazz Conservatory people, so I assume the book's target audience is on that side as well.


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The claims made in the wiki library that the use of H “is, as far as I understand it, changing, if not for the most part changed” or that “Finnish is therefore only half in favour of the use of H, and half opposes”, are completely unfounded and show that the author of the claim is familiar with just pop circles practices.


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It is somewhat incongruous to me what system is used in a single Wiklibrary article, although to me personally B style looks extraordinarily dusty.


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As long as it doesn't require that Wikipedia music theory articles (which, by the way, are, in a word, only in their infancy) should use B-style.


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—Tero V.


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14 January 2007 at 5:32pm (UTC) It seems quite obvious to me that the H-style will experience the same fate as the units of measurement still occasionally used by the Americans or the British, which will inevitably get out of the way of a more logical metric system.


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This is why I suggested introducing B in place of H in that Wiklibrary Guitar Book.


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In addition, it is more logical, making learning easier, which in turn is a distinct advantage in the textbook.


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Wikipedia is intended to be as accurate a picture of the world outside as possible, so the practice has a slightly different meaning here, which is why there is no reason to switch to B policy in Wikipedia.


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In music theory articles, I could make such a suggestion that this H or B question should be thoroughly explained in their own article.


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They say that the language of music is universal, but in this case, unfortunately, that is not true; a Nordic or German may not understand the rest of the world unless this is explained.


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In response to a couple of arguments: If in pop circles the practice is B, then, after all, Finnishness half-defends B (and that classical half opposes), so the claims are by no means “completely unfounded”.


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And to me, miswriting the alphabet (ie A B C D instead of E A H C D E), in turn, looks like a duster.


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Tommi S. 14 January 2007 at 19:52 (UTC) Wikipedia can then switch to B-style when H-notation is lost according to your prediction.


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Nowadays, however, both in school music education, theory teaching at music colleges and conservatories, and literature in this field, H-notation is completely systematically used and therefore it should be used in Wikipedia.


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—Joonasl (tell) 14 January 2007 at 20:19 (UTC) I am not saying that ABCDE is not more logical than AHCDE in a certain way.


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But the analogy with the measuring systems of the Americans and the British and their future was, yes, pretty far-fetched.


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It is pointless to expect that H-style on the classic side would “inevitably” get out of the way of B-style.


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That could only happen if experts and policymakers in the field initiated an actual megareform, which would also cover music teaching in schools and theory teaching in music colleges.


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And there is no such thing, because who is used to H now would like to throw his old friend into the junk.


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Out of interest, a few more questions for Tommi: How do you pronounce a lowered B in Finnish in B style?


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And do you think that in pop circles the B style can actually be considered established - that is, does no one use the H style there anymore?


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—Tero V.


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On January 14, 2007, at 21:49 (UTC), ABCDE is not only more logical in some ways, but is unequivocally more logical in every way than AHCDE.


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But as I said before, and to which you were referring too, Tero, Wikipedia's policy is quite different than the practice of a single Wikipedia book, so it's not worth taking B-style as a practice for Wikipedia.


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On pronouncing: The suffix of the downmodded tune is -es, so a sensible way of pronouncing it would be Bes.


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However, this whole thing is so trivial (two tunes out of twelve) that you come across it extremely rarely and mainly only in written form, and I think most people are familiar with both ways.


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Even in the article The pitch scale the whole thing is twisted by writing cdgae from the pentatonic scale, and changing the do, re, mi, so style for the diatonic scale, and by studying history you notice that the B style has slipped into the writing at some point, so for the clearly expressed practice there would seem to be a need.


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I have no more to say about Wikipedia's policy so far, so I'm going to return another branch of the discussion to Wikipedia's Guitar Book, where one can make good arguments for using the H style in Guitar Book.


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Tommi S. 15 January 2007 at 17:13 (UTC) The Old Topic.


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ABCDE is in no way more logical than AHCDE.


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The claim is based on the Latin alphabet, with absolutely no logics per se.


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But to the point.


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In music, ABCDE is Anglism, which we should not particularly favor in the Finnish wikipedia.


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Then when Bach's H minor fair turns into Bach's B-minor fair in literature, let's consider it.


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That is, in the words of Joonasl.


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—Feather 20 February 2007 at 20:44 (UTC) This argument is again based on a slight understanding of the essence of logic.


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ABCDE is more logical than AHCDE.


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AHCDE becomes more logical when Heikkilät and Hietaset come after the Aaltosten and Ahlbergs in the phone book, when Pentti Haanpää's works come after Juhani Aho on the shelves of libraries (author examples I took from Wikipedia, where they were arranged according to ABCDE in order), when in encyclopedias after 'sun' comes' shipwreck ', etc. The alphabet is a system in which certain names (letters) are in a certain order.


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If this order is broken, only arbitrary names remain that cannot be combined with anything else, in which case the tunes could be equally well called Liisa, Pekka, Matti, Maija, etc., or do, re, mi, fa, so (which is the practice in some countries).


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AHCDE is more traditional, but more logical it just simply isn't, by any means.


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Tommi S. 6 March 2007 at 08:27 (UTC) Upper and Minimum Age Is there any policy on Wikipedia about what age a user must be?


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—Airpelt on 14 January 2007 at 12:07 (UTC) No.


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—Anchjo (chatter) 14 January 2007 at 12:09 AM (UTC) Wikipedia is open to everyone.


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Age limits on forums etc.


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there are anyway just bad experiences:).


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—Jetman 14 January 2007 at 12:14 (UTC) The very young people would do well to realize themselves to stay away from editing, because most of the time they cause more clutter than improvement to articles.


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Let me give you a hint: it pays to be awake in native language classes.


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There is no actual age limit.


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—Zxc 14 January 2007 at 12:20pm (UTC) what benefits minityng can be, let's discuss here on the public side that others can find more easily.


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On the wiki, I grumble about there being mini-pillows.


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But let's think about it positively in light of the following example: someone is looking for information about person x, wiki doesn't have it, they look elsewhere and forgets a wiki, no bother to start an article about a person even if they know.. someone is looking for information about person x, the wiki has a mini-stub about it, the finder will notice that I have more information about this and completes the article.


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Your entire mini-stub should be removed and put the stub on all to signal that the article is hoping for a replenishment.


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We spend our time but in vain wondering if the article is a mini-stub or a stub.


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I think the important information about wiki is that the wiki details the person's full name and date and place of birth.


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Then we can look at why more has not come to the article and think about who would complete these articles.


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—Musamies 14 January 2007 at 12:23pm (UTC) I have asked you on several occasions.


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You said you couldn't write.


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I promised to fix it.


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In reality, your above test is quite good enough Finnish for Wikipedia.


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It's not a great hassle to write after your name and date of birth yet a brief characterization of who is at issue.


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Eg, thus “Maija Mekäläinen (born 25 October 1981) is a Finnish guitarist who has gained fame especially as a guitarist for the band Daywish.


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He has now started his own band Morningwish.


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SOURCE M. Tekäläinen, Yearbook of Finnish Guitar Art.


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in 2006.


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Category:Finnish guitarists.


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That's it, and that's all you need.


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—Ulrika 14 January 2007 at 12:35 (UTC) Agree, but I do not support the removal of the model.


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It's nice to look for article beginnings to which you could add a piece of information or two.


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-TKAHKONEN 14 January 2007 at 13:55 (UTC) Ulrika's practice 2 Ulrika fails to draw up a motion to vote, in which case there is no information to justify the outcome of the vote, what was the presentation and how it affects, for example, the alignment as precedent.


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81.175.154.156 14 January 2007 at 22:31 (UTC) I again find it downright incomprehensible how long Wikipedia has tolerated such absurd bullshitting.


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-Samulili 14 January 2007 at 22:39 (UTC) Is that a relevant comment?


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Is it a personal attack?


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81.175.157.82 15 January 2007 at 16:34 (UTC) There is no mental.


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attack.


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What was the point of the opening message?


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—Jetman on January 15, 2007 at 4:36pm (UTC) Hard to tell.


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Apparently the fact that the person demanding the show hasn't made his own presentation, but has put someone else's cause.


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The problem becomes the formation of position and responsibility for the measure because, according to some, incorrect perception in itself, is the act of giving a voice at the same time.


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Thus, the author of the presentation may formally opt out as neutral and, on the other hand, the substitute is some sort of socket puppet to the claimant of the presentation unless presenting this explicitly as in that case.


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81.175.157.82 January 15, 2007 at 16:44 (UTC) After clearing the delete vote discussion page, your top media template was much more text yesterday or the day before yesterday. On what basis has the page been cleared so that the clearing is not visible in the log at least?


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81.175.157.82, 16:34 on 15 January 2007 (UTC) See “History” on the right side of the Edit piece.


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No partial deletions of texts in any logs remain.


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—Jetman 15 January 2007 at 16:36 (UTC) The article had a breakdown of comments in the voting.


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Now they're gone and there's no trace on the log.


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Who can remove in such a way that no traces remain on the log?


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81.175.157.82 on 15 January 2007 at 16:41 (UTC) Jimbo Wales and Illuminati.


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—Jannex 15 January 2007 at 16:45 (UTC) what kind of persons born or dead are listed in those documents of the days, what kind of persons can be put in them, what are the criteria —Musamies 16 January 2007 at 19:54 (UTC) Sometimes it has been be the principle “if you find an article about a person in a Finnish wiki, the person may be on the list”.


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That is, at least not the Bekko Bevertallers.


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—Agony (403) 16 January 2007 at 20:11 (UTC) how about when the list becomes long if we add all persons in the articles —Musamies on 16 January 2007 at 20:52 (UTC) “to be the principle if an article is found on a Finnish wiki, the person can be on the list”.


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I think such a principle is silly for the following reasons: The Finnish-language Wikipedia may have the presidents of Nauru and Palau, but it lacks the presidents, kings or prime ministers of India, Germany, Sweden, Denmark and France.


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Thus, according to this logic, the names of the leaders of the great powers should not be written on the birthday list, but the President of Nauru would be allowed to write there.


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An article had been made for Wikipedia about the US curling player, but not about the British Olympic champion in obstacle running or the new Swedish world athletics champion.


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American actors, too, I see someone eagerly removing from birthday lists.


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I myself have sometimes added actors who have appeared in many films or TV series and especially if they have been shown in Finland.


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Of the well-known William Conrad or Fernandel, no one has written any article.


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The names of American baseball players are redundant on those lists probably in everyone's opinion.


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So I think you can add names that have not been made in the Finnish Wikipedia list if you think the names are well-known.


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Then let's hope someone makes an article about them.


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User:Taulapaa Voting Rights When user activity is mainly manifested only in polls, can the audio be deleted?


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Although, for example, Taulapää's vote had just been removed from the vote the other day, without rumblings. —Ulrika 17 January 2007 at 06:35 (UTC) Yes, there is a limit that is already beginning to slip, but let's discuss first.


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—Harriv 17 January 2007 at 06:42 (UTC) I have several hundred edits to articles, and as I recall the limit was 50 or 100.


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Who had deleted my vote and in what vote?


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—Taulapaa 17 January 2007 at 06:49 (UTC) You may not correspond to a “real” Wikipedia user anymore, because more than 90% of your recent edits are weighted in on votes.


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Mostly based on whether the ID was created for voting purposes can be doubted.


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Your first edit was aimed at upvoting too.


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—Zxc 17 January 2007 at 15:26 (UTC) It is rather strange to participate in the decision making of a project without participating in its (actual) development.


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You'd think self-criticism would already play in these.


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—ML 17 January 2007 at 15:33 (UTC) Voting is perhaps the most important channel of influence for the individual user.


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The polls, however, settle the big lines.


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I can't now figure out what type of user could be a “truer” user than me.


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There are plenty of ones that edit a lot but don't have the big picture in the glove at all.


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You can tell it again in the polls.


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Maybe we'll do a vote on Taulapaa for the right to vote?


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—Taulapaa on 17 January 2007 at 15:51 (UTC) Well, now you have pulled the line, so let's dig up the policy card: “The votes of usernames that have apparently been created for voting will be rejected.”


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As you can see, voting is singular in which case it means one specific vote, username _voting_ creationally does not speak anything.


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Niponipovalivaliplörgöaargh... I am against anyone who supports opposing the Taulapa proposal.


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—Agony (403) 17 January 2007 at 16:41 (UTC) PS: In Finnish: I think we should do an encyclopedia instead of comma filing:) Another thing is why you should even have to influence the direction of the project when you don't do anything for the project.


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—ML 17 January 2007 at 16:43 (UTC) Also discussing is working for the project.


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It happens in deletion polls too, usually.


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-TKahkonen 17 January 2007 at 17:06 (UTC) As I said earlier, in addition to active voting and participating in the debate, I have made hundreds of edits.


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I think voting and discussion are important ways to develop Wikipedia.


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Sure, the creation and edits of new articles are important too, but it's not worth too much to stare at the amount of editing.


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—Taulapaa 17 January 2007 at 17:12 (UTC) The votes are very important for the project, as they determine the direction where our Wikipedia is going.


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I therefore understand very well that in busy people the priority is the first to focus specifically on votes, although other things on Wikipedia are not enough time/energy.


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That is, Taulapää sounds must not be removed.


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—JTS 17 January 2007 at 17:19 (UTC) Polls are very important to the project, as they determine the direction where our Wikipedia is going and that is precisely why people who want to influence the project only by voting should not have that right.


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Samulili on 18 January 2007 at 10:22 (UTC) This is the case with näreet.


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In the voting rules, that thing is recorded.


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I think Ulrika was more interested in her initialization as to whether a user on the editing pause can participate in the votes.


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—Taulapaa on 18 January 2007 at 11:01 (UTC) So how can one conclude from the fact that a token with hundreds of edits in the past is now mostly just voted on, supposedly, that it was created for voting purposes only?


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I think hundreds of edits in history justify voting because the person has at least occasionally been active on Wikipedia anyway other than the polls.


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I think this is sufficient merite.


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I am staunchly opposed to removing the right to vote unless there is some sockpuppet evidence.


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—SLI 17 January 2007 at 22:52 (UTC) Following a public suspicion of sockpuppet, I did an address check.


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The result is unclear.


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—Mikkom (♫) January 17, 2007 at 5:50pm (UTC) Ai?