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In what way ambiguous what that means?


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—Marimba 17 January 2007 at 17:59 (UTC) You cannot say anything in one direction or another about the result with much certainty.


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Of course, in the name of legal protection, the matter will lead nowhere.


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—Mikkom (♫) 17 January 2007 at 18:01 (UTC) A surprising result, as I do not remember much editing Wikipedia articles before registering my name.


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Edits I pseudonym made from two different places.


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The move was at the turn of the year.


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—Taulapaa 17 January 2007 at 18:49 (UTC) Articles on candidates for parliamentary elections In previous debates, it has been decided that candidacy in this year's parliamentary elections does not make a person significant.


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I have set up a special for non-notable candidates.


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Could the candidate articles to be deleted be transferred to the Election Wiki in the future?


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—ilaiho (choose) 17 January 2007 at 06:58 (UTC) Good idea, then everyone will probably be happy.


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Also the IP that contracts them. —Ulrika 17 January 2007 at 07:01 (UTC) there but — Musamies 17 January 2007 at 15:22 (UTC) Should the subject be made official policy?


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—ilaiho (choose) 18 January 2007 at 14:04 (UTC) I wonder if anyone can copy these WP texts anywhere?


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-TKahkonen 18 January 2007 at 15:15 (UTC) Small categories on Wikipedia seem to have quite a lot of categories with only one or two articles.


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However, Wikipedia's guideline says: “Categories should only be created for need if more articles clearly belong to the same group.


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Categories of one or two articles should not be created.”


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So is it now planned to make a class for the future, that is to put one article there in the belief that more articles will be accumulated there in the future?


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In many cases, this lone article is allowed to remain in its own peace for quite a long period of time before another comes along, and even then the category is still against Wikipedia's practice.


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I think the only reason for making a single article category is that you cannot rationally place an article in any other category, and even then it should be expected that some other article would sometimes be accompanied by another article.


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Would it be appropriate to have a bot go through all the categories of one or two articles, move them to a master class (if there is only one), and mark the empty class as crap?


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There has been a bit of debate about setting up a class project in the past, but I don't think the issue went any further.


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—Alphaios 18 January 2007 at 1:34pm (UTC) Depends on the class and its meaningfulness.


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If the class is ok in subject matter and likely enough to accommodate more articles, no problem.


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—Jetman on 18 January 2007 at 13:36 (UTC), of course, there are such things.


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The point is not to tweak Wikipedia's rules, but I brought it up because the small categories I mentioned do not improve Wikipedia's usability and search for information, but on the contrary weaken it.


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I therefore think that a category with only one article and no other categories should be deleted and recreated only when enough articles are found.


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The categories of two articles can be expected to expand over a moderate period of time to the three required, so they do not necessarily need to be addressed.


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Can any of the administrators find out how many categories are in the Finnish Wiki, or could a counter be added to the special pages?


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—Alphaios 18 January 2007 at 21:42 (UTC) “Unused Classes” and “Categories with the most articles” already exist, I suppose the counter could be done on the basis of them?


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—Alphaios 18 January 2007 at 23:22 (UTC) Someone from the administrators could already comment.


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—Alphaios 19 January 2007 at 15:46 (UTC) Well, if there are no comments this way, we should vote.


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 16:50 (UTC) I don't see a big problem with these small categories.


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I don't think categories should be created if there is only one article in there, but chasing them is pointless.


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You should rather point out their creators.


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The category of two articles is already a category and might make it clearer.


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Unless it's something in the Artist X Albums category.


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It is, by the way, in English not the Finnish Wikipedia.


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;) Voting is pointless to do.


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If people aren't interested in commenting in a discussion, then voting is hardly a good option.


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— linnea 20 January 2007 at 16:53 (UTC) Small categories should not be removed.


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In hindsight, it is then impossible to dig into them any more relevant articles.


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If there's an intelligent class that's likely to come with more, it should be.


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For example, there will be more than one painter in the category: Danish painters are guaranteed to be more than one painter.


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That's why I had the courage to do it.


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That's why I don't want to do more articles at this moment, so that one isn't enough when there's more to do.


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—Ulrika 20 January 2007 at 16:56 (UTC) At least the categories of athletes should not be touched.


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Consensus has been reached in terms of athletes that they will be classified according to the state and sport they represent.


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Example though the category Finnish boot throwers, where there is currently only one article and no information on whether there will ever be more.


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However, there is no reason to transfer the article contained in the category to any major category.


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—Jannex 20 January 2007 at 17:05 (UTC) I'm not saying that it makes sense to remove all categories in one article, as now though those athletes.


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But if the counter were there, these categories could even be browsed, and there's a chance that more articles could be found in the category.


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I can't think of any specific use for the function “Categories with the most articles”, but one there still is.


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So why could no equivalent function exist for one of the categories in the article?


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Anyway, it's a little pointless to start guessing what kind of small classes are on the Finnish Wiki and whether something could possibly be done with them or not once you get to the bottom of the counter and see what can be found there.


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At least I don't see any particular reason why there couldn't be such a counter.


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 17:15 (UTC) Well, just write bugzilla or code yourself, or you search the dumbit of en.wp and run a database search from it.


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— linnea 20 January 2007 at 19:00 (UTC) Even if I code, I cannot add the code to the special page.


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Probably one of the admins would get modded it up with pretty little effort from the finished code.


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 20:52 (UTC) You have a bit of misconceptions about administrators.


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Administrators remove garbage and block troublemaker users.


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We don't have the constes to code this software.


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Taino equal means as anyone else: join developers and start coding.


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— linnea 20 January 2007 at 20:56 (UTC) Well who finally decides whether a snippet of such code can be added to the Finnish Wiki?


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Shall we vote on it?


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 21:13 (UTC) By default, if anyone questions the necessity, a deletion vote is retained.


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—Jetman 20 January 2007 at 21:14 (UTC) Here is a very good example: Category:Bahraini persons.


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Including the section, there are ten categories, with only eight articles in total.


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Except for one, all categories contain only one article or a subcategory alone.


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I'm sure there are quite a few similar ones.


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 22:24 (UTC) Although, if I looked correctly, no one commenting on the matter (small categories) tentatively supported your crusade, you still decided to take action on your own ().


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Not very sensible in my opinion.


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In fact, I do not see any point in deleting categories where so far there is only one article, but in the future certainly more than one.


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You're just creating pointless work for others.


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—Neofelis Neb ulpart (мообговорення) on 20 January 2007 at 22:58 (UTC) I do not support the removal of small categories if it can be assumed that within 5 years there will be two or more articles.


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Pointless work, in advance it is convenient to classify if the class is assumed to be met.


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If a class is created only later add it horribly work to move and search there articles.


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—Zxc on January 20, 2007 at 23:01 (UTC) Agree with ZXC.


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—Kyzyl 20 January 2007 at 23:05 (UTC) Agree.


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It's an advantage to the object of the article that it's categorized accurately rather than vaguely.


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The link will not be left out because it shines red.


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There is no major problem, on a case-by-case basis can be removed if there is a need.


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—Thi 20 January 2007 at 23:08 (UTC) In Wikipedia, comments tend to come only at the point where action has already been taken, it has been noticed before.


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I'm just wondering what the rules are meant to say that categories of less than three articles should not be done?


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If it's about categories that you can't categorize anything other than one thing, then what are they?


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For the situation to be that, one would have to delineate the category extremely tightly, i.e., e.g. “Prime Ministers over 50 years of age of Bahrain whose first name begins with R”.


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And class things like that can't be done seriously by anyone.


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The rule therefore means that a class should be created only when enough articles are found for it.


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Thus, Wikipedia's only article about Bahrain's prime minister should not be put in the category “Prime Ministers of Bahrain”, but in the categories “Prime Ministers” and “Bahraini Persons”.


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If there are more than one, they fall under the category “Prime Ministers of Bahrain”, which falls under the category “Prime Ministers by Country”.


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I see the current way has become a policy against the rules, and I think that is bad.


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Yes, the 5 years mentioned by ZXC is quite a long time to complicate the search for information with pointless little logs.


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It is acceptable to some extent if indeed one expects the class to be met, but can one expect that e.g. Is there ever another article about Greenland prime ministers or Tajikistani composers coming up?


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Such persons should have been excluded from their country-specific “persons” category in the first place, but if public opinion is not in favour of making this right, I will not start to go on any crusade alone.


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The thing is then allowed to remain as it is.


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However, the Wikipedia guidelines would be appropriate to refine that paragraph so that the rules and practices are no longer in such a serious conflict.


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—Alphaios 20 January 2007 at 23:25 (UTC) Perhaps the guidance needs to be updated to reflect current policy.


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What's the point of obscure classes?


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If I want to search for information about Greenlandic Prime Ministers, it is much easier to find them in the exact category than clicking on individuals from the category Greenlandic politicians.


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I don't know of a single Greenland politician by name.


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—Zxc 21 January 2007 at 00:14 (UTC) This is the way it is, of course, if you search through classes.


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However, the guy in question is most easily found when you tap “Greenlandic Prime Minister” in the search box.


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Now he is in the category “Greenland Prime Ministers” which is in the category “Greenland Politicians” which is in the category “Greenland Persons” which is in the category “Greenland”.


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If you move towards the Prime Minister from the article “Greenland” then you get to open a fair number of classes, and in the end, only one Greenlandic person will be revealed behind this class jungle, about whom there is an article in the Finnish Wiki.


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:) —Alphaios 21 January 2007 at 00:45 (UTC) pointless links shine red in articles What do we think of these links in articles that shine red and have no page behind them. Should the article be without these links and the link will only be added when the second page is made —Musamies January 19, 2007 at 19:42 (UTC) Not as far as I can tell, redness is just a cosmetic nuisance.


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Better to make the article ready in this regard, other articles will then come in due course.


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Wikipedia is unfinished by nature, still at this point.


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—Thi 19 January 2007 at 19:45 (UTC), let's take a practical example, someone makes an article and puts a lot of links there, another reads and presses the link, and then just he's editing a new page, flinching for a little time and depositing and so we have garbage.


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If there were no links then garbage articles would not be created so easily —Musamies 19 January 2007 at 19:49 (UTC) The whole idea of wikipedia is that when they see the red link, the reader writes an article about it if they can.


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Crap arises occasionally, but it falls into the nature of wikipedia. —Tevete 20 January 2007 at 08:50 (UTC) Where can we find all the articles to which this link could be added?


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Better to just let Wikipedia look, like what it is.


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This way it will be easier to replenish it.


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—Nikita 19 January 2007 at 19:51 (UTC) The purpose of Punalink is to announce a topic about which there should be an article, but on which it does not exist yet, and on my part I would say it worked much better here than, for example, the desired articles list (I have done an article many times. inspired by a redlink).


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Otherwise, links to non-existent articles would probably have been completely hidden.


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But in linking, you should follow some discretion, and not, for example, link to clearly unsignificant topics or topics that you can't get but a short definition that you can tell yourself in that article.


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—ML at 19:59 (UTC) on January 19, 2007, 90% of the articles I've created have gotten their impetus from the reddit link.


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Let's save the reddit links.


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Cimon Avaro, silent pole jumper 20 January 2007 at 02:20 (UTC) Without further ado, red links must be.


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After all, they're an integral part of the article.


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Otherwise, who would guess to do an article about the Imatra Museum of Art, for example.


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—Ulrika 20 January 2007 at 08:23 (UTC) Red links are good.


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If you were to link only after the article was written, then that would be very difficult in practice, since one would have to consider which pages might refer to that article.


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Tod.


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see.


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much of the relevant links would go uncompiled and the quality of wikipedia would deteriorate. —Tevete 20 January 2007 at 08:49 (UTC) Depends on the situation.


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For example, in between I leave completely unknown Olympic medalists wikified (Ice Hockey at the Winter Olympics 1928), sometimes again national-level athletes are linked if there is an assumption that an article will be written about them (Kaleva Games 1998).


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—Jannex 20 January 2007 at 08:58 (UTC) That, by the way, reminds me of one good gimmick to avoid articles that are largely invalid.


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It is said that some article mentions an unknown magnitude called, say, “Matti Mekäläinen” from which all encyclopedic information can be added to that article, and really does not need his own independent article.


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The best way to pre-empt this is to mark “'with signs in the style of Matti Mekäläinen, and then go and make a redirect page to that article.


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If someone tries to create an article about Matti Mekäläinen from scratch, they will be directed to where the information about him can be added (or at least theoretically this should serve as a little tip).


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— Cimon Avaro, silent pole jumper on 27 January 2007 at 18:58 (UTC) Reminder of the ongoing vote.


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I would like to remind you that on 27 January the vote will end on the Finnish Wikipedia's right to verify edits, subject to appropriate conditions for the wider user base.


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If you haven't been to vote yet, you still have time.


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And the vote is on the page Discussion on Wikipedia: Verification of changes.


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— Cimon Avaro, silent pole jumper on 21 January 2007 at 07:47 (UTC) Articles on plans I understand that articles are written on wikipedia about things that have been realized.


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Plans that either sometimes come to fruition or never materialize would not be part of Wikipedia.


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Category:However, the infrastructure projects seem to contain plans, some of which have already been stated that they will not materialise.


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The security cluster in Rovaniemi was removed because there was not yet one.


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On that basis, I had labelled these plans as rubbish and now they have been removed from the rubbish label.


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Do they have to vote individually on each of them, or are the plans an exception to not making articles about the specifications?


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Or what do you do with these?


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I'll add that consultants and civil servants do these for a living, but is Wikipedia their place?


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—Ulrika 21 January 2007 at 2:13pm (UTC) Hardly any of the articles in that category are (even to a small extent) proportional to the Roi cluster.


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Basic structural projects and their realisation or failure to materialise touch people in a much wider area than some wee cluster of security.


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—213.216.199.6 On January 21, 2007 at 2:17pm (UTC), views written with an IP ID are not very serious.


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—Ulrika 21 January 2007 at 14:25 (UTC), the views written on IP are just as serious as with a registered ID.


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- C12H22O11 (speech) on January 21, 2007 at 16:00 (UTC) Well with a guarantee are not.


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There are a few people using varying IPS who have the so-called bread, i.e. commercial considerations behind their opinions, not that they are neutral in assessing the importance of articles, as everyone has seen in the run-up to the election.


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On the other hand, you learn to evaluate the meaning of username views over time, and usually usernames who write longer even to some extent present reasonably reasoned ideas and clearly their own opinions, not the party office or other assignee.


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—Ulrika 21 January 2007 at 16:07 (UTC) Everyone determines for themselves what views they consider serious.


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If you use Wikipedia with IP on a large scale, it is certainly a conscious choice that has taken this “credibility problem” into account.


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—Harriv on January 25, 2007 at 1:21pm (UTC) I guess you don't really think that e.g. The drop track is in the same category of significance as that deleted article, or that they can somehow be compared at all?


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Nowhere does it say that no articles are made about plans, and on that basis at least the article isn't garbage.


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If you want to remove a topic as significant as the Drop track from Wikipedia, then yes it needs to be voted on.


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- C12H22O11 (speech) 21 January 2007 at 15:59 (UTC) We must now disagree with Ulrika on the significance of the articles.


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The Rovaniemi thing was a small district thing and was utopian.


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Not all articles in the Basic Structure category are necessarily more significant than that, but many of them actually are.


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In addition to the Pisara line, at least Kehä IV, Ring Track, Länsimetro and Vuosaari Harbour Rail.


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Yeah, I admit to being a metropolitan, a diligent user of public transport, and doing traffic planning for a living.


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—Velma 21 January 2007 at 16:09 (UTC) There are plans and there are plans.


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Some are art projects by private individuals, others the closely and long-considered socially significant intentions of major social actors.


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You can say “no” to the former, “yes” to the latter.


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For those placed in the interval oftenhow “no”.


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Samulili 21 January 2007 at 18:04pm (UTC) Common and specific names is there a practice for situations where a word has both a common name and a common name and a number of capital letters?


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Example of this is the Absolute Zero Point and the Absolute Zero Point (band).


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What should be on the page Absolute Zero in such a case?


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—Mystiko 23 January 2007 at 16:21 (UTC) It is probably thought that one letter difference is still not enough, and Mediawiki's feature is that when you search for an article using the search box, you go to a small typed article if uppercase does not find a match (you can Try writing “Absolute Zero Point” in the search so you will find that the article becomes Absolute Zero).


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—Agony (403) 23 January 2007 at 4:28 p.m. (UTC) Whereas writes Absolute Zero as a direct link, you will not find any article: “There is no article with this name in Wikipedia”.


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So maybe that would be best to redirect absolute to zero.


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— linnea 23 January 2007 at 17:17 (UTC) Can't that help you make a good old specification page?


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—Marimba on 24 January 2007 at 19:41 (UTC) Why on earth?


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When there are two articles with the same name and one of them is clearly much more significant, the specification page is completely redundant.


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The band is so much more insignificant than the temperature that those looking for it can click on the link with this article template.


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—Litami 24 January 2007 at 19:45 (UTC) is it possible to predict future passages in Wikipedia between see pages where clearly advertised the future eg is one example, what kind of line we draw, whether it must have happened before it can be put on the wiki or whether it can be happen today or could it happen sometime in the future.


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—Musamies 24 January 2007 at 19:15 (UTC) Wikipedia:Wikipedia_not_is #Wikipedia_ei_ennusta_tulevaisuutta - you can write almost certain things, but guessing about what might happen is not really.


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The example you gave is probably ok if the source entry is correct and the source provides the same information.


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—Harriv 24 January 2007 at 19:36 (UTC) but when the paper has not yet appeared Karjalainen on 23 February 2007 —Musamies 24 January 2007 at 19:43 (UTC) I think that is not just a pure typo and mean Karjalainen that appeared on 23 January 2007.


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I don't think the editor claims to read the papers of the future.


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You can ask him a question, too.


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—Litami 24 January 2007 at 19:55 (UTC) Linking text to another Wikipedia (from Wikipedia:Inter-Language Links Discussion page.)


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The article says, “You can make a language link appear anywhere like a regular link by typing a colon in front of the language ID.


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For example, NL:Hond appears as NL:Hond.


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This is how to link to an article in other languages on another topic.”


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Does this now mean that you can only link to an article on another topic, i.e. not, say, a specific part of the same article, e.g. #Books”.


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In the links article, I saw a ban on “Don't link to other languages in the text part of the article.”


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Apparently this only means other internet pages, not Wikipedia pages?


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If now linking to the same article (or part of it) from a mixture of text is prohibited, I would like to know why?


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I think linking to a part of the article would be justified, among other things, when it doesn't make sense to copy something like a long list (e.g. foreign language works) into a Finnish article as such.


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—Alphaios 24 January 2007 at 23:15 (UTC) General linking to other language versions would make Wikipedia confusing.


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An exceptional case may also set a bad example for a new and inexperienced user.


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—Thi 25 January 2007 at 00:00 (UTC) I believe that the rules and practices should be followed, especially if they are jointly drawn up and are common knowledge, but it is now rather unclear whether there is a rule or practice in this matter and if so what kind, and has it been mentioned anywhere?


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—Alphaios 25 January 2007 at 09:12 (UTC) The de-facto policy seems to be that no links are made from text other than to the same Wikipedia.


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Other Wikipedias are linked based on IW links, rarely otherwise.


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Other www sites are linked either from source references or from the “Topic Elsewhere” section.


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Normal wikipedia style very justifiably can do otherwise and there are many articles that should be corrected in this regard.


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—Harriv on 25 January 2007 at 13:17 (UTC) However, the Finnish Wikipedia provides instructions on how to create cross-language links, e.g.


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EnWikipedia explains the links in the text more broadly: “However, if a topic does not have its own page in the English Wikipedia, but has in another language version of Wikipedia, then linking to that is useful, from a page that mentions the topic, and/or covers a more general topic.


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For example, Movie theaters in the Netherlands links inline to NL:Tuschinski Theater, because there is no article Tuschinski Theater yet.


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This stimulates and facilitates people to write or translate the article, after which the interlanguage link can be replaced by a link to the new article.”


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EnWiki therefore considers linking to other Wikipedias useful if the article is not in Wikipedia in your language.


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The Finnish Wikipedia says about external links “External links are good to collect at the end of the article”, and this is certainly most often the best solution, but therefore not an absolute rule.


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Further I would like to know what is meant by the note “Do not link to other languages in the text section of the article” on the Instruction:Style Guide/Links page?


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This is why I am asking this question because I have been told that “maintenance and permanent users” have deleted links leading to EnWiki.


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However, I myself have not noticed such a practice.


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There also doesn't seem to be any support for it in wikipedia's rules and doesn't seem to be even in common knowledge.


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So if there is now a group that has adopted such a practice, it could be discussed that others know where we go, and that Wikipedia's rules could be refined and updated in this regard at least.


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—Alphaios 26 January 2007 at 03:15 (UTC) “This stimulates and facilitates people to write or translate the article” is a rather strange claim (and I don't think other Wikipedias are linked to de facto en.wiki).


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Red linksyou stimulate people to write articles.


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Otherwise, all red links on en.wiki should be replaced with a link to en.wiki.


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However, this wars at least on some level against Wikipedia's fundamentalists (Wikipedia doesn't refer to itself as a source).


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The language link instruction is good to have, however, because Wikipedias in different languages are often referenced, for example, on the discussion page of the article.


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—TBone 26 January 2007 at 06:15 (UTC) That's the way it is with those reddit links, and I haven't usually done those links myself.


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Only after all, I did one and it was removed, so I thought I'd check it out when there's no actual ban in the rules.


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—Alphaios 27 January 2007 at 02:56 (UTC) There was also a brief discussion here when I clarified the same issue.


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Based on that, and since it seemed clear, I added Help: Style Guide/Links “Do not link to other languages in the text part of the article” in the instruction, and no one has intervened.


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I personally wish these links weren't in the text, if you want interlanguage, they could be added somewhere other than the article.


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—Wipu 26 February 2007 at 10:55am (UTC) is the voting time week if not mentioned in the delete vote Wikipedia:Images saved by Uzo21 is a week gone if it is voting time —Musamies 26 January 2007 at 05:12 (UTC) Fix—Musamies 26 January 2007 2007 at 05:13 (UTC) Lower end issues, i.e. templates and categories In what order should the different models and categories be at the bottom of the article?


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Do models come before classes?


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What about does the potential stub template have to be put before the navigation template?


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Can there be more than one stub templates (hence different topics)?


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In what order do you put navigation templates in the article if there are more than one?


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What about the order in which classes need to be?


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—Elena 27 January 2007 at 12:02 (UTC) Classes are usually put after templates, although it does not make any difference to the appearance of the article.


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Stub templates I always pass last, because they are useless information and do not help with navigation.


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It is worth putting other models in such an order that the entity considered the most important comes first.


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For example, the Portugal article is the first to include a model of European states, which is probably the whole that is most often navigated through the models.


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Similarly, the models of euro countries and Portuguese-speaking countries are the lowest.


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Some have sometimes removed more stub templates from the article, prompting simply putting the corresponding stub classes in the place.


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In classes, at least myself, I have not followed any sort of order.


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By the way, those navigation models are always made too much.


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—Anchjo (chatter) 27 January 2007 at 12:08 (UTC) I think it would be good for classes to be in alphabetical order, looks cooler.


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—Tomist (disputations) 27 January 2007 at 12:11 (UTC) The only easy order for classes is indeed alphabetical order.


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—TBone 27 January 2007 12:24 (UTC) I too support alphabetical order, sometimes I've tried to put “primary” classes first, but the arrangement is untenable.


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—Thi 27 January 2007 at 23:09 UTC, of course, ease is an easy choice, but I am in favour of first priority classes.


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Let's get more tackling.


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-TKahkonen on January 27, 2007 at 12:32 (UTC) What on earth can be a “primary class”?


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For the reader, non-alphabetical order becomes an imagination of random order, since he cannot know the code for the order of classes.


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—TBone 27 January 2007 at 1:17pm (UTC) I was left wondering the same thing.


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For someone interested in politics, of course, policy ratings are “priority categories.”


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Look at Claes Andersson.


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First there is politics, then literary activity, musicianship has apparently been completely forgotten, and so is the medical profession.


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Heh, has in it had factors in order of precedence in the rating. —Ulrika 27 January 2007 at 13:39 (UTC) That was miserably said to me.


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How do you know the article is categorized specifically by people interested in politics?


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I guess equally it can be assumed that those interested in literature or medicine could put their “own” first in their classes?


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However, in the first sentence of the article, politician is only in the third title.


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—Elena on 27 January 2007 at 13:46 (UTC) Was malicious?


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If so, it was also directed at me myself, as I have been around modifying it myself without realising the flaws.


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First there is an automatically incoming stub, the order of which cannot be affected.


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Next is a ministry, and at least Andersson was only three years as minister, and besides, ministers are politicians, unless it is a civil service government.


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Then come the parties, no less than twice.


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Then comes writerhood in its various forms.


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Where is the musicianship, where is the doctorship?


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I added them there now, alphabetically.


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On sv.wiki the order of precedence is this:Finlandssvenskar | Finländska författare | Svenskspråkiga författare | Finländska politiker.


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As a doctor and musician, he won't be remembered there either.


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—Ulrika 27 January 2007 at 14:04 (UTC) It is worth noting that he was a national representative for 12 years, but it has not been remembered in the rating either, I don't think it's important... —Ulrika 27 January 2007 at 14:19 (UTC) Certainly is important.


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Without looking at the edit history, I bet it's just forgotten or ko.


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class is set up later.


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Fortunately, you can fix it.


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—Elena 27 January 2007 at 15:55 (UTC) I would be in favour of putting primary classes first, if only agreement could be reached on which classes are the most important in which context.


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On the other hand, for example, person articles already have titles in the first line in a certain order, so the class order could be the same.


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However, if there is no agreement on this, I am in favour of alphabetical order.


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—Elena 27 January 2007 at 13:51 (UTC) What is a certain order for titles?


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—TBone January 27, 2007 at 2:11pm (UTC) I have not found any instructions for what is the recommended order.


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Personally, I have sought to put them in the order where the person has acted most or where it is most famous.


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For example, Anni Sinnemäki is primarily an MP and secondarily a lyricist, Kaisa Leka is primarily a cartoonist and secondarily a politician.


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—Elena 27 January 2007 at 14:46 (UTC) Therefore, alphabetical order would be best.


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For you, Sinnemäki is a politician, but apart from a lyricist, he is a musician for many, maybe even more, and that's not what you mention at all.


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—Ulrika 27 January 2007 at 15:20 (UTC) Musician?!


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Being an MP is Sinnemäe's main work, lyricism and writing poems as a side job or hobby.


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(And if you go into personal terms, Anni Sinnemäki used to be primarily a lyricist, then a politician and now a good guy.)


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—Elena 27 January 2007 at 15:53 (UTC) Sorry was slipped untruth.


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I'm not honored to know him.


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I've only met him a few times as a kid, and that kid wasn't me. —Ulrika 27 January 2007 at 16:18 (UTC) This was quite comfortable in the debate.


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Alphabetical order is good, you too, in favor of assigning the job to some bot.


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-TKahkonen 27 January 2007 at 14:43 (UTC) If we conclude that classes are prioritised, then the modifier can deduce it himself without any specific instructions or discussions.


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That would be the pinnacle of it all when we had an editing war over the order of classes.


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A good example of order of precedence is, for example, classes in language articles.


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In my opinion, in the case of languages, the primary class is a language group or municipality, and only after that should come these stupid classes of languages in X, which, yes, could very well be eliminated completely.


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Alphabetical order is also quite ok, although in those language cases it can be a little bad.


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—Anchjo (chatter) 27 January 2007 at 15:12 (UTC) For example, if an article is the main article in a class, I think it would be smart to put that category first.


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Similarly, in Anchjo's example, “primary class” is pretty easily definable.


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That's why I don't support the idea of putting a bot to run the categories of all articles in alphabetical order.


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—Aslak 27 January 2007 at 15:22 (UTC) Yes, good consideration is enough.


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It probably doesn't matter if someone wants classes very much to arrange.


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But when it was customary to title “President of the Republic and Mrs. Mauno Koivisto”, I suppose that President of the Republic was primary and Mrs. Secondary?


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—Feathers 20 February 2007 at 22:31 (UTC) I support the priority, each modifier can choose it according to their own taste, but if there is an even strong war on order, then in that article we will put it in alphabetical order as far as there is a dispute.


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—Wipu on 26 February 2007 at 11:39 (UTC) (I will now try to summarize a little.


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—Elena 2 March 2007 at 22:07 (UTC)) Apparently we reached a consensus that the most important of the templates in the article should be put the top and the possible stub template at the bottom.


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Can there be more than one stub templates (on different topics)?


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All models come before classes.


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Can someone please post these in the instructions now?


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—Elena March 2, 2007 at 22:07 (UTC) Categories Alphabetical order or priority?


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I don't think there was agreement on this...


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If the article has a stub template, the stub class automatically comes first.


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—Elena 2 March 2007 at 22:07 (UTC) If the stub model adds more after classes, the stub class comes last. —Kyzyl 2 March 2007 at 22:16 (UTC) Well, I didn't read the whole discussion but that last comment, so that's why such a comment. —Kyzyl 2 March 2007 at 10:27 p.m. (UTC) Launched median vote on criteria for granting amendments to registered users.


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Nothing but to vote.


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Please visit the voting page Discussion on Wikipedia: Verification of changes.


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— Cimon Avaro, silent pole jumper on 27 January 2007 at 18:49 (UTC) Using Mediawiki noinclude and {{:Article} Today, while gimmicking with Mediawiki, I came up with (at least in my own opinion:) a great idea: if articles were to use the tag <noinclude>... </noinclude> outsideof the introduction, would be able to take an “introductory proof” of the article anywhere in the article with the inclusion {{:Article}}.


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I came to think of this at first as a solution to book articles that tend to keep a brief introduction about the author himself, and if it happens that any author of numerous books, even if he did, would face an update job at worst for up to several dozen articles.


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When the gimmick I mentioned would be used, it would be enough to update the article about the author to the cupping time (introduction) and the information automatically updated to articles that would exploit the content function.


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This could also be exploited by e.g.


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in the Recommended Article box on the front page, where instead of a manually written introduction, only {{:Recommended Article Name}} would be marked.


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Also in that case, the introduction to the front page would live up to the article, and typos corrections et al would immediately update everywhere.


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For example, I made changes to the article by Stephen Hawking (to which I therefore added noinclude tags and linked his name instead of bold) and to the book Brief History of Time made by him.


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Please comment for and against.


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—Agony (403) 28 January 2007 at 12:40pm (UTC) I commented on behalf of: for a long time something really useful.


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—Tve4 28 January 2007 at 12:45pm (UTC) How is this different from the situation where we would have a model Hawking introduction that would have been included in the Hawking article and the book article?


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—Jannex 28 January 2007 at 12:51am (UTC) Please find a few points against the template: Templates are separate pages, if Hawking were to come up, you should remember to update the information to two pages. Of course the article would use the template as an introduction to the template solution could use a separate intermediate title (e.g. ===books published by Hawking===) <includeonly>... </includeonly> tagsThe template for every writer sounds... well doesn't sound very reasonable EDIT: And with this solution (as you can observe from the Stephen Hawking article) you can extract data other than just the introduction, from any point in the article.


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Implementing this would require two models: Hawking Introduction and Hawking Publications.


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—Agony (403) 28 January 2007 at 13:01 UTC, so long as it is used thoughtfully and out of need.


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If you start putting it in every article, it mostly just messes up and mixed wins.


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The template seems like a much worse idea because it's so tricky to get to edit through an article.


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Ps.


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I don't see where in book articles it takes a short introduction of the author (other than to bring artificial length to recommended covers).


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The introduction of the main books in the author article will understand yes.


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—ML 28 January 2007 at 1:24pm (UTC) Share-a, this is how to advise on the article template for the book, but naturally: only if necessary (for example, by writers whose publications have been made articles and those who have accessed the recommended page (if the technology is introduced) to recommended pages) at).


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—Agony (403) 28 January 2007 at 13:29 (UTC) Apparently that model is entirely Erkkimon's own making.


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Doesn't seem quite successful to me anyway.


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Books hardly even need an article template.


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—ML 28 January 2007 at 13:33 (UTC) I do not consider it reasonable at all for book articles to include a brief introduction by the author.


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The wiki format specifically allows you not to have such unnecessary repetition of the same information in many places when you can go through that link to read the information you want from the author article.


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—Marimba 28 January 2007 at 14:24 (UTC) Thus differs that there would be “pointless” templates that would only clutter the tables of contents and the Fresh Changes list.


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To list the author's other books in the book article I don't find very necessary.


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More sensible would be to relate the book to the rest of the production, and in such a list is not very descriptive.


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-TKAHKONEN 28 January 2007 at 13:28 (UTC) Even if this is not suitable for book or author articles, it is good for including an introduction to the recommended pages.


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However, since the included text cannot be easily accessed, you must manually add an edit link when incorporating.


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-TKahkonen 28 January 2007 at 15:04 (UTC) Designation: Fictional or fictional?


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The designation instruction does not take a position on which specification or class name should be used.


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Because of this, among other things, there are now mixed fictional and fictional characters and sub-categories in the category of fictional persons.


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Some sort of order and uniform naming convention should be obtained for imaginary worlds and persons as well.


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—Tve4 1 February 2007 at 20:14 (UTC) Do you tell me the difference between a fictional person and a fictional person?


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—Taulapaa on 1 February 2007 at 20:55 (UTC) Work is in progress to that extent.


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They can be varied as imaginary if you want to help.


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—Neofelis Neb ulpart (мообговорення) on February 1, 2007 at 20:58 (UTC) I made fictional journalists fictional and other small.


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I'll continue if I remember when I get a chance.


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—Ulrika February 2, 2007 at 06:42 (UTC) Fictional and fictional are synonymous, so you are doing pointless work.


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—Taulapaa on 2 February 2007 at 09:29 (UTC) Yep, yes I know, but if we could get away with that fictitious, that would be a Finnish word.


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I understood this was chasing it.


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But I'm busy with other jobs now, so the other person gets it wrong.


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I would recommend a Finnish class and article names, in which case it would open for each.


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—Ulrika on 2 February 2007 at 09:51 (UTC) Yep, that might mean that too.


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—Taulapaa on 2 February 2007 at 10:01 AM (UTC) You got it right.


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—Neofelis Neb ulpart (мообговорення) on February 2, 2007 at 11:47am (UTC) useless redirects when a transfer function has been used for unnecessary redirects when a transfer function has been used, which is practice, for good You can get a picture of it by looking at the transfer log how many pages have been left for old names, whether it is intended to remove unnecessary or how it is an idea to act.


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—Musamies 2 February 2007 at 14:28 (UTC) Depends on the case.


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If the article is written as A, but is more commonly known as B, A is left as a redirect.


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If the article is under the wrong name (for example, the last name with a small one), the misnamed redirect should be marked as junk.


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However, among the most common misspellings, you can leave a redirect (for example, Coctail).


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—Agony (403) February 2, 2007 at 2:44pm (UTC) Redirects are useful.


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If someone has written an article with the “wrong” name and it is then transferred to the “right” name, then that already proves that there is a chance that someone else misspells the search word and a redirect is necessary.


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Also, if the article is moved to another name and the redirect is removed, then the original author of the article may no longer find it.


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I think redirects, as a rule, are always worth preserving and they improve the quality of wikipedia.


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Many times the “correct” title of the article is not self-explanatory, and if there are no redirects, then the article may remain undiscovered. —Tevete on 4 February 2007 at 20:40 (UTC) For example, redirect.


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If that was removed, then the article wouldn't necessarily be found.


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No casual wikipedia reader knows whether the Association is used here in articles about registered associations or not. —Tevete on 4 February 2007 at 20:50 (UTC) I'm sure there are far more useful things to do to develop Wikipedia than searching for unnecessary redirects and labelling them as junk.


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—Harriv 4 February 2007 at 21:12 (UTC) Especially since “redundant redirect” is, I believe, a great rarity.


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A very much bigger problem is the lack of necessary redirects. —Tevete on 4 February 2007 at 21:14 (UTC) First name with capital, last name small controls are not superfluous!


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They are wrong article names, but very usable if you accidentally spell the name wrong though in the link.


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Ite it I use wikipedia for browsing style that I type “en Hanna Pakarinen” in the address bar and sometimes miss the capital letters off.


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And then there will just be a page to the front saying there is no article.


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etc. — linnea 5 February 2007 at 08:58 (UTC) I myself remove unnecessary redirects often.


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Of them, indeed, there is a nuisance, as they clog the All Pages function almost unusable.


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Multiple redirects are of no use when they are so outlandish that you practically can't even get lost in them.


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These include: Article names written in capital letters from the time when articles were still named Pointless or misspelled specifications (say, Saskatoon (City)) Rare misspellings The fact that someone might possibly possibly even accidentally writing George Bush as George Buhs is no problem.


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Probably he'll notice the mistake soon and try again with a real name.


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Besides, miswritten links are just easier to find when the links are red.


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Myself, at least, I've used this to find errors in the article preview.


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—Anchjo (chatter) 12 February 2007 at 2:38pm (UTC) 'How many random readers of wikipedia do you think use All Pages?


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Hardly a lot of people.


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Yes a much bigger problem is that the article may not be found if you don't know how it's going to be written exactly. —Tevete's 12 February 2007 at 14:42 (UTC) Well there is a link to it on the front page and there should be more links (e.g.


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in the menu).


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You can assume reasonable writing skills from Wikipedia users.


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When it comes to foreign names and words, you can get a little more lax.


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—Anchjo (chatter) 12 February 2007 at 14:53 (UTC) We both naturally strive for wikipedia to be as good an encyclopedia as possible, where information can be found as easily as possible.


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My personal understanding is that the more redirects, the better.


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Sure, derogatory or quite sub-style redirects can be removed. —Tevete, 12 February 2007 at 15:03 (UTC) If I add my opinion too, then I think redirects should be of all the formats that a normal person can imagine using other than accidentally.


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Instead, George Buhs type redirects do more harm than good.


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—Mb 12 February 2007 at 22:11 (UTC) Yes uo should also be for common typos.


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Nearly all people of normal intelligence (e.g. me) don't always know how to spell any foreign name or thing. —Tevete's 13 February 2007 at 06:50 (UTC) after moving from Silvonen's discussion page Hello!


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I think eg uo is not superfluous.


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For common typos, it pays to be uo.


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Since the initiator of the article misspelled the name so it means that tod.


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see.


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someone else writes too.


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In addition, it should be noted that if this is deleted, the creator of the article may no longer find the article but thinks it has been deleted. Teveten 22 February 2007 at 08:03 (UTC) Was there a more general consensus?


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(The conversation still looks pretty fresh.)


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“First name last name” type UO's have, at least in the past, been categorically labeled as rubbish, and to me this was almost an equivalent case.


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With the search function, Battlefield Evolution can be found even if it is written entirely by a small one.


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Sure, writing that name in some other article wrong is somewhat more likely than a “First Name Last Name” error in personal names.


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—Silvonen 22 February 2007 at 08:21 (UTC) There is probably no real consensus, and that one I wrote is just my opinion. —Tevete on 22 February 2007 at 08:26 (UTC) to Ps.


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if the search function finds then it is certainly a solution.


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It just doesn't always seem to work very well. —Tevete on 22 February 2007 at 08:27 (UTC) What is it not working well?


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Personally, I haven't encountered any problems dealing with uppercase and lowercase letters when typing a search word in that left side search box.


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Of course, the search function does not bite Tarja halonen style links in articles, but they remain red.


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—Silvonen on 22 February 2007 at 08:51 (UTC) Well maybe it works today.


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I remember that when I came to wikipedia it was disabled much of the time to reduce server overload. —Tevete's 22 February 2007 at 08:54 (UTC) Such incidents that violate the normal spelling rules of the Finnish language should be kept as redirects.


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In English, Battlefield Evolution and not Battlefield evolution is written, but in Finnish it is Battlefield Evolution and not Battlefield Evolution.


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Samulili on 22 February 2007 at 10:25am (UTC) Yeah, maybe so is good.


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However, names are also misspelled into articles (and wikified) rather than just in the search box.


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—Silvonen 22 February 2007 at 12:26pm (UTC) Swedish Language Here are a couple of practical things left to do.


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Why?


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Is that mandated by law to be bilingual too?


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As I understand it, this Wikipedia is in Finnish, not in any way “Suomenmaalainen”, but entirely in Finnish.


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And the Finnish language is not tied to Swedish.


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You don't have to write Swedish here, unless the city etc.


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For example, it is pointless to indicate the name of Oulu in Swedish, it is monolingual and has only one official name.


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That is, although Finland is bilingual, Finnish is not bilingual.


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—Pudeo 3 February 2007 at 1:30pm (UTC) In the case of the YYA agreement, I suppose the Swedish name only holds office if the agreement was originally concluded in both Finnish and Swedish (and of course Russian, which is otherwise absent from the article).


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In the case of Finnish localities, Finnish encyclopedias always display both the Finnish and Swedish name, if one exists, and Wikipedia should not make an exception.


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—Tomist (disputations) 3 February 2007 at 19:35 (UTC) Oulu is monolingual, but it has an official Swedish name and, of course, it needs to be told in the article.


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The YYA Agreement is an international agreement with legal force in Finland and confirmed by Parliament.


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This is why there is an official Swedish version of it, as with all other Finnish legislative material.


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Groupe Renault (pronounced after IPA əno) is a French automobile manufacturer.


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Groupe Renault produces cars and vans but has also produced trucks, buses, railbuses and tractors in the past.


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Groupe Renault owns almost half of Japanese Nissan, almost entirely owned by Russian company AvtoVAZ, [1] a quarter of Japanese Mitsubishi Motors [2] and wholly French Alpine, Romanian Dacia and Korean Renault Samsung Motors.


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With the Mitsubishi deal, Groupe Renault grew by early 2018 to become the world's largest automaker, passing Volkswagen.


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[3] Groupe Renault is headquartered in Boulogne-Billancourt in the western suburbs of Paris.


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Renault sold its truck production in 2001 to Volvo and its agricultural machinery production to German company Claas in 2008.


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Renault has also been a well-known brand in the motorsport sector.


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History The brothers Louis, Marcel and Fernand Renault founded the company Société Renault Frères on February 25, 1899.


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Manufacturing of cars had already started a year earlier.


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After winning an automobile race on 24 November 1898, the brothers received their first 12 orders.


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The company grew as they won inter-city racing titles such as Paris—Berlin and Paris—Vienna.


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One technical achievement for Renault was the gearbox, which needed neither chains nor belts to function.


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In 1905 Renault received its first major order: 250 taxis.


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This is when Renault began its mass production.


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At the outbreak of World War I, Renault began manufacturing Renault FT-17 tanks.


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Renault tanks were also acquired by the Finnish Land Forces in 1920.


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Some of the carriages were equipped with cannons and some with machine guns.


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Renault tanks were used by the Finnish Defence Forces until the Continuation War until 1942, when most of them were installed as fixed firebases in the Karelian Isthmus defensive line.


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A few individuals served in educational use even after this time.


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[4] During World War II, the company served as a subcontractor for the German arms industry.


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After the Liberation of France in 1944, Louis Renault was arrested on charges of joint activity with the occupiers.


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He died in prison under unclear circumstances; he was possibly murdered.


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After World War II, the French car tax was based on engine power, i.e., tax horsepower (French.


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chevaux fiscaux, lih.


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Renault introduced its 4CV model and rival Citroën its famous “Rättisitika”, or 2CV model.


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Later, the “Tipparellus”, or Renault 4 (not the same car as the 4CV), introduced in the early 1960s, became the best-selling French car model of all time.


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Renault introduced a new type of multi-purpose bodywork in its Model 16, which was chosen as Car of the Year in Europe in 1966.


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Subsequently, Dodge commercial vehicles manufactured in the city of Luton in Britain were made as Renault-Dodge until 1989.


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Subsequently, Renault Midliner trucks were assembled in Britain until Renault sold the factory to China in 1993.


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[6] Renault attempted a merger with Volvo in 1993, but the merger did not materialise.


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[7] The country organisations had already been changed, and Autorex had been merged with Volvo into Bilia Ltd.


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Volvo's small shareholders toppled the merger.


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However, Volvo's trucking division went to Renault.


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Bilia served as an importer for Volvo and Renault until the Renault parent company transferred the Scandinavian imports to itself; the Finnish imports were handled by Renault Finland.


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As EU law changed, exclusive rights to import car brands were eliminated.