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—Feathers (debate) 19 August 2016 at 11:43am (EEST) Probably the same as this: {{Finnish Literature Prizes}}, although there is a category Category:Finnish literary prizes and List of Finnish literary prizes (which I actually did to replace the model), that is, completely pointless.


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Articles fill out of templates, which is bad.


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But suggest deletion, immediately there is a horde of usernames opposing deletion.


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—ABC10 (debate) 19 August 2016 at 1:57 p.m. (EEST) Proposal for data boxes on opinion polls I propose that an informal opinion poll be held on the necessity of data boxes, where you can mention why or why not, and what is needed and why and what is not needed and why not.


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The suggestion is that this is not binding, but just a hearing of what the people think.


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Also, IP users can contribute IMO.


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—Feathers (debate) 20 August 2016 at 02:14am (EEST) Some opinion poll should be done on this, but not yet, as the debate has only been taking place less than a week.


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Secondly, ip votes would cripple opinion polls, which are effectively lighter polling.


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—Olimar 20 August 2016 at 02:31am (EEST) Is Kotus a God worth worshiping...... in matters of language maintenance?


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So what I am saying is that if Kotus does not accept some forms of inflection (for example koala forms of koalas, koalas, koalas), are they wrong so that they should be avoided?


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Time therefore guarantees that Kotus does not allow some forms of bending that are in common use.


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Or if Kotus recommends format x over form y, is it necessary for Wikipedia to use format x? —85.76.79.158 30 July 2016 at 02:29am (EEST) Kotus is not God but a statutory language maintenance body.


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You can write as bad a language as you see fit.


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Someone then corrects your tracks, but of course it would be desirable to write a good language.


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Good language needs to be learned a little, which means it is not inherent in everyone, even if you have gone to school.


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—ABC10 (debate) 30 July 2016 at 09:32 (EEST) Kotus can sometimes make mistakes, and does, but generally it is easiest to get to Wikipedia when following the formats recommended by Kotus, unless there are weighty reasons otherwise.


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I don't see a weighty reason why you should choose to write koalas.


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—Jmk (debate) 30 July 2016 at 10:39am (EEST) Kotus, in this case, the Language Office dictionary can be easily contacted, for example a link to the feedback form from the koala word article.


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Or delivery by email address language officedictionary [at] kotus.fi.


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Kotus-God doesn't have time to read all the online chats.


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Journalists can be tipped off if you feel there is a flaw or a lack of something.


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—Triceratopsi (debate) 23 August 2016 at 2:26pm (EEST) Triceratopsi Linking of dates with IP has been torsion in recent days as to whether wiki linking of dates and annual numbers is necessary ().


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The policy includes: Use common sense in linking: “Do not link to words or concepts that are irrelevant to the subject of the article that are common knowledge.” Dates: “Dates and/or years are only linked if relevant to the article.” ComradeUranium (debate) 3 August 2016 at 3:50pm (EEST) I agree.


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Reading the article should not be hampered by pointless links.


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I actually linked each date while making my first edits, since then I've kept on learning away from other mistakes.


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—raid5 (debate) 3 August 2016 at 5:07pm (EEST) We still have such a comment that it is just one question whether the data box dates are linked or not.


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The fact that they even get loaded back is more of a nuisance and they can just be left linked if someone has linked them.


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—Zache (discussion) Links do not provide additional information to the reader and to the person looking for the model of the new article they give the wrong model.


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Links can be corrected during other editing.


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—Thi (debate) August 3, 2016 at 5:33pm (EEST) Yep, unnecessary are.


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There will be no additional information on February 8th or similar in relation to the warship.


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2001:14 BB: 40:4599:496 E:B830:F0BE:1946 3 August 2016 at 6:00pm (EEST) Mostly like this.


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—Ukas (debate) 4 August 2016 at 00:33 (EEST) I understand it has been customary to link the dates of birth and death of a person, both date and year number.


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In the case of non-personal articles, it should be permitted to link even one (relevant) annual number for the article, which, for example, in the case of the Community would be the year of commencement or establishment, for buildings and structures, etc., the year of completion, etc.


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Clear and heavy overlinking could be possible to remove (I have removed mm.


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from the telly show article links when there was a link to the broadcast date of every single part of the series, of which there were about 50), preferably with other edits.


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Systematically, you do not need to start eliminating annual linkages.


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I haven't looked at what the link deletion this escalated controversy is about and my time right now is not enough.


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Actual disputes could happen over the most significant issue, which I saw as a remark to everyone involved in the dispute.


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—Htm (discussion) 4 August 2016 at 02:10 (EEST) There is a diffi in that first post.


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ComradeUranium (debate) 4 August 2016 at 02:13am (EEST) Yep I noticed that I even watched it.


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-I'm trying to keep commenting and review at an overall high level. —Htm (debate) 4 August 2016 at 02:40am (EEST) The opening of the discussion is misleading in claiming that linking dates is a practice.


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The first link is very oversized comprising all links and the second also focuses on general date linking without taking a position on the way in wikipedia, i.e. avoided in the bread text and allowed in the template.


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Warships (as is partly the case with civilian ships) have in several countries (I will not say all when I do not know) to spend three opportunities during construction, namely keel-laying, launching and recruitment, where the war flag is first raised on the flag.


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The most famous of these landings, which has been carried out on large ships, among other things, separate works and on destroyers such as HMS Daring today.


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I wonder about the emergence of such a torment and the use of such as justification.


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Why is wikipedia usually linked?


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In accordance with the same “superfluity”, one should prohibit the creation of red links, since they do not, by their non-existence, give any new information to the reader.


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For someone interested in warships, those few links allow, for example, to find out ships built at the same time in different countries or shipyards, which without links is quite challenging. —194.251.119.208 at 08:00 on 4 August 2016 (EEST) So, except that there are no dates on that page record ships' landings, etc., so no further information can be obtained from there.


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2001:14 BB: 50:1 F 71:31 AB:FB 52:90 F5:F590 5 August 2016 at 00:56am (EEST) Do I understand correctly that you think the dates should be linked to get searched articles or another similar tool?


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If so, then an order of magnitude better result would be that important events were deposited in Wikipedia:Wikidata and searches on Petscan, for example, and when the information is in Wikidata, you can search them significantly more complex.


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—Zache (discussion) 15 August 2016 at 11:28am (EEST) That search was just an example of the use of dates and there may be others.


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The whole premise of the discussion is twisted because you constantly have to justify the need for links to the three dates in the template.


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It is my understanding that the information in the template is essentially pertinent to the article.


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Essential information has been in the habit of linking when the link is possible.


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The idea you put forward is great, but I think it's unfeasible.


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Who and where to transfer the data to wikidata?


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You can't set a standard for a modifier like that.


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Not everyone knows how to even put interlanguage links there yet and other experienced editors put them wherever it hurts.


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The mere existence of a link already allows a basic search method to find which ones link to this article and then a small cropping. —194.251.119.208 15 August 2016 at 11:44am (EEST) Well, since I edited the date prints of the Wikidata library I copied to fiwiki a month ago to fit fiwiki , so I set the date printing format in it to [[dd.


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month]] [[year]] because I thought date links were a good thing in the information box and it's how things have gone in general (eg).


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Similarly, the date templates used in data boxes (,,,,,,, and print the dates linked as standard, so I guess it can justifiably say that dates are systematically linked in the data boxes.


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The fact that it makes sense to go into editing wars, it doesn't, because you can specify the format of the date in the code and sooner or later I think it's bound to be done with code.


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The second point is that whoever transfers the data to Wikidata, then it is the same as everywhere else, that is, you, me, someone else, etc., and at the moment it is those editors who are interested in the matter.


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(If you are, then I can look at how to transfer data in practice, but I don't start transferring it alone) In any case, if you look at things over, say, five years, then Wikidata is where we go in things like data boxes, because it gets things done which are not erected by the modern system.


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One of these is the searchability of the data, and the other is that the maintainability of the data is improved when it is not necessary to keep all the data separately up to date in each wiki.


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—Zache (debate) 15 August 2016 at 1:53pm (EEST), in Finnish, a very long term eternity project.


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Editing warring always requires more wikipedists (now two IDs, one bot, and one IP).


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I don't understand that what justification (a policy obligation, as posited by deleters) is to remove any meaningful linking in the templates, or any other major linking?


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Same thing with adding smalls, nothing obliges their use and they clearly degrade readability.


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However, they are being added to the templates.


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Looking at the history of the emblem users in question, these types of edits focus on the warships of Imperial Japan, that is, by any yardstick, I would consider that to be deliberate teasing and troublemaking.


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In Wikipedia, however, it seems to be a de facto policy that an ID modifier is allowed to do just about anything, which as the other party is IP.


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—194.251.119.208 15 August 2016 at 2:06pm (EEST) Well, so there have been a couple of requests for comments regarding the activities of idle users, e.g. a request for comments: factual questions of warship articles.


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Another disagreement between two usernames like this could be a discussion about thumbnail size configuration: image size assignment.


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That is, I would say not about the issue between the username ip here, but rather that some users are more flexible than others.


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Regardless of whether they edit with IP or not.


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A bit wrung out of the wire, I would never have gone into editing wars about small-tags or dates linking, and if I felt it was important I would have tried to justify my point of view in the coffee room and settled for the outcome.


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—Zache (debate) 15 August 2016 at 3:18pm (EEST) The discussion in the practice coffee room did not reach any result, i.e. the original author chooses the way.


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Nonetheless, token users drive small-tags to templates without respecting the original choice or accepting other views.


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This, in my opinion, is due to the preference of maintainer IDs, because in a similar situation the IP user would have already been classified as vandals.—194.251.119.208 15 August 2016 at 3:45pm (EEST) Originally the dates had to be linked due to Mediawiki identifying the entry as the date and in user settings was able to choose which format wanted dates to be displayed.


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I don't think this feature has ever been popular, I'm not sure it works anymore.


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The settings would still show the date format to be (Appearance -> Date Format), but I wonder if it works in the article text?


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In any case, I have yet to figure out what value date articles have, other than in the trivial sense of looking at who has the same birth or death dates.


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Annual articles, on the other hand, could theoretically develop useful, but so far there has not been enough community enthusiasm to develop them, so here too hope is beginning to be dead.


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However, especially in history articles, linking them can be a good thing even now, allowing quick access to articles dealing with concurrent events.


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—Jannex (debate) 4 August 2016 at 08:48am (EEST) The blocked user discussion page suggested that the data boxes have year numbers linked.


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As I understand it, it is more because the pissed year number is important to the topic of the article than the fact that the year number is in the box.


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Admittedly, only important information is put in the box (ie swamp there flabby here). —Htm (discussion) 4 August 2016 at 10:16pm (EEST) from HTM's message abbreviated and applied: Linking in the introduction to the dates of birth and death of a person, both date and year number The introduction to non-personal articles links (approximately) one relevant year number, if necessary, add a comment <!-----important year --> the year of the start or establishment of the community the year of completion of buildings and structures No overlinking, if need to be deleted, then other modification When the policy is known, then there is no need to guess the correct Procedure.


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—raid5 (debate) 8 August 2016 at 1:16pm (EEST) I would consider linking dates appropriate, mainly in the case of an event commemorating at least in a country, in a locality or in some circles that day is celebrated as a celebration or on Memorial Day.


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Otherwise, it is unnecessary, but if it happens to be linked by some previous modifier, it doesn't hurt much.


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-KLS (debate) 13 August 2016 at 1:40pm (EEST) We also give this attention to the fact that sooner or later, the visual editor functions will be that the fields marked as dates in the template are selected using the calendar tool, which probably results in the dates is stored in ISO 8601 format and the task of printing the template is to reproduce the date to the printable format as it currently happens with network references.


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In this case, no wiki links are stored in them, and for the future it would probably be good to record all the dates of the templates that they should be in the format without links (DD.MM.YYYY, or DD.


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month YYYY, ISO 8601) and make the necessary conversions/linkages in the template code.


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—Zache (debate) 15 August 2016 at 11:28am (EEST) As a rule, the wikification of dates and annual numbers is pointless and only creates unnecessary unease with the appearance of the text and worsens readability.


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Specifically, this is a problem with breadtext, but equally the usefulness of date-year-wikities is zero in templates, etc, so you could give them up too.


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GoPase+F (discussion) 26 August 2016 at 10:07am (EEST) Linking dates and annual numbers is sometimes useful in that their links can be used to supplement date and year articles.


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On those pages you can glance at the list of pages linking there and extract important events from there.


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For it, however, it would be necessary for authors to be able to link only the dates of significant events, and unsignificant linking to be removed.


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—Savir (discussion) 26 August 2016 at 10:50am (EEST) User Zache stated in the early part that “... it's just one bit whether the data box dates are linked or not.”


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Just to make sure that by year or date link, does the article (due to its additional networking even a bit) rise to a more popular publication in, say, Google statistics or wikipedia space (which at least previously featured the most readed/linked sites)?


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I imagined, at least in some cases, that overlinking of dates and the like was aimed at elevating the status of articles in various search services.


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Wherever that Wikipedia read now window is now... didn't it carry as some sort of weight the mutual links to the article (or was it the number of interwikis).


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Is there any truth to this reflection or even a thought stub?


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—Willow (debate) 11 September 2016 at 07:14am (EEST) Small text Does anyone know what purpose small text has been developed for?


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I have seen it used, among other things, so that, for example, the municipality's population number is put in parentheses and it with a small number.


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But I don't think there's any point in writing longer text with a small font, a small font just makes reading more difficult.


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Because of the lining up, it hardly needs to be used now when, for example, displays are available to wiki users of any size.


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—Htm (debate) 4 August 2016 at 10:16pm (EEST) Small text is often seen in data boxes, e.g. when marking annual numbers (example).


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With little space in data boxes, it may sometimes be appropriate to reduce such specific and less relevant information to better differentiate more important information.


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Then we have, on the other hand, a list of article wishes on the front page, where small text size is used for no rational reason, and for some reason is not corrected despite requests.


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—Savir (debate) 5 August 2016 at 09:54 (EEST) Where are the requests made?


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At least I couldn't find out of the archives on the front page discussion page suddenly.


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A front page discussion page would be that natural place to discuss the layout of the front page.


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—Jmk (debate) 5 August 2016 at 09:59 (EEST) My proposal is in the discussion on the model:ArticleWives.


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—Savir (debate) 5 August 2016 at 10:05am (EEST) Hmm, the debate has not been widely noticed.


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Probably that font could be changed, though if it was decided by vote in 2009 as part of the overall reform of the front page, it would be good to have a little more than one opinion.


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—Jmk (debate) 5 August 2016 at 10:10am (EEST) The use of the small text system should be avoided mainly if it makes it difficult to read, i.e. only long multi-word refinements should be reduced and forget about reducing individual words.


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The data boxes can accommodate enough text without even small.


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The specifications in the template are intended to be read and added there with the knowledge that they will provide the necessary additional information to the reader.—194.251.119.208 8 8 August 2016 at 08:23 (EEST) As for the blessing of a small font in the line, so the pairing is done without a small font, which makes a hallway for the readability of text, which some users have asked to pay attention to in the past years.


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I would do so with short yearly and other announcements with small and long loops normally. —Htm (discussion) 8 August 2016 at 10:31am (EEST) (edit and complete) —Htm (discussion) 16 August 2016 at 06:14 (EEST) In general terms, I added a few follow-up classes to the articles where you can see how the refinements have been used: Category:Using the Small element data boxes (= some value (2016)) class:Specific data boxes not using the Small element (= some value (2016)) Another point that came up against is that the data boxes use at least two different font sizes and two line heights.


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That is, they have four different text sizes even before even that small attribute is used in which case it is just data-box specific how small that text gets.


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Data boxes with abnormal text size settings: Data boxes without a style parameter At least those with small font size and small line height text is unnecessarily small without a small tag (standard setting, by the way), and you should probably change the standard settings as such that they correspond to those data boxes containing “deviant text size settings” where the text is enlarged to the standard values.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 07:54am (EEST) based on the small-tag (around 8500) /without small-tag (around 49000) ratio, I would consider the change to add tags unnecessary and due to the quantity to require a fairly clear consensus.


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In addition, in order to make a more accurate analysis of the size, the deviants could be divided by default into larger and smaller ones, of which, at least in smaller ones, the small-tag should then, in principle, be banned for producing too small text.—194.251.119.208 16 August 2016 at 10:55am (EEST) Completely unnecessary leave banning something like individual formatting because of a certain IP's opinion.


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I must say the same thing I said many years ago when Phiitola edited his emblem, which is to say it is pointless to go to those warship articles when there are rules imposed by a few user cliques.


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Better probably move on to other topics and let the IP fuss in freely owned articles.


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—Msaynevirta (k · m) 16 August 2016 at 12:23pm (EEST) If we stick to the issue, then I started a broader discussion about the styles of the information box and one could try to define what they want to be.


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This is because it is not terribly appropriate, because the layout of data boxes varies depending on where it has happened to copy the style rules and secondly because the standard settings are pretty bad.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 12:50pm (EEST) Small tags fit into the data box, too, because “it is appropriate to reduce such specific and less relevant information to better differentiate more important information.” —raid5 (debate) 14 September 2016 at 10:24pm (EEST) Changing the reviewability policy On page Discussion on Wikipedia:Veriability #Kolmas party held a debate on changing the policy.


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Only three users participated in the discussion, so let's ask for the views of other users here.


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What is the opinion of the proposal to amend the practical text, for example: “The information in the articles should be based on reliable third-party published sources.


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The sources need to be the more thorough the more extraordinary or special the claim is at issue.


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Sources shall be noted according to the instructions precisely to allow verification.”


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—Raksa123 (debate) 12 August 2016 at 12:50pm (EEST) Suitable for me and practically it is about like what is proposed here.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 12:16pm (EEST) It seems worthwhile to replace a concept unknown to most with a clearer and more useful one.


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It is case-by-case what source is reliable.


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—Savir (debate) 16 August 2016 at 12:24pm (EEST) Sounds good, I support the proposal.


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—Msaynevirta (k · m) August 21, 2016 at 4:54pm (EEST) Very bad idea.


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Third-party sources make it reliable relative to the subject matter into the very fact that they are produced by a third party.


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When information is not subject to a direct (financial) interest to its publisher, it may have been critically guessed.


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Finnusertop (debate) 31 August 2016 at 06:34 (EEST) Very bad idea.


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As stated above, there are economic etc.


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This is particularly worrying, especially if the question contains a subject that is the subject of political controversy, such as force-feeding or some emotive art subject. —LCHAWK (debate) 31 August 2016 at 1:16pm (EEST) I agree with Finnusertop here.


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A third party may be a difficult concept, but the idea behind it is important. —Olimar 31 August 2016 at 1:44pm (EEST) Types of data boxes I started the page Wikipedia:Wikiproject Templates/Alignments/Data box styles, because the styles of data boxes are never either defined and vary from one data box to another and, because e.g. the linking of dates and the size of the text of the refinements has sparked debate as well as editing wars.


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The linked page shows the most common line/font sizes used by data boxes as examples, and also what the refinements look like in normal text and small size.


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What you want primarily to define is: The size of the normal text used in the data box as “em”?


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The height of the line used in the data box as “em”?


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Are the refinements written with less than normal text (within =small-tags)?


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Are the dates linked when they are the main value in the data line (=e.g. year of birth)?


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Are the dates linked when they are the focus of the data line (=year from which the value of the data line originated)?


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Enwiki uses the same size as the standard text of the data box as the letter size.


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Frwiki, on the other hand, injects the specifications inside the small tags, so you can visit these Wikipedias to see how the data box specifications look well executed.


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Another point about date links is that if the date linking is done automatically (=visual editor, values coming from wikidata), then its reasoning is whether a.)


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the date linked already elsewhere in the article is impossible and b.)


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also its reasoning that whether to display the date “important information” is programmatically tricky.


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In this case, the linking rules should be style linking standard all dates, linking only dates displayed as line value, linking only refinements, etc.


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Furthermore, I suggest that if there is no agreement on an issue, then a Pizza vs Pizza type vote is done, where the option with the most votes is chosen to be introduced.


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—Zache (discussion) 16 August 2016 at 12:44pm (EEST) My eye pleases the fr-wiki data box formatting on the example page.


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The air is conveniently and the font size pleases.


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I am in favour of a unified design for data boxes, it improves the look and consistency of the site, which plays a role in the discoverability, comprehensibility and readability of information.


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When information is presented consistently, less (distracting) attention is paid to the form of representation of the information.


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In this case, unnecessary editing wars arising due to different preferences can also be avoided. —Olimar 16 August 2016 at 1:08pm (EEST) 3: written with smaller small-tags.


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4 and 5: no links, life time data with templates.


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In this case, the models should also be modified for this purpose.


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—raid5 (debate) 16 August 2016 at 2:54pm (EEST) Specifications with small small tags (3.


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), no links (4th and 5th).


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Also I find the box on the fr wiki to be good looking.


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ComradeUranium (debate) 16 August 2016 at 3:52pm (EEST) The box of the FR-wiki is neat, though the blank grey border on the outer edge is perhaps not necessary imo.


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Refines (3.)


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without a link.


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—Msaynevirta (k · m) 16 August 2016 at 5:09pm (EEST) I think the airy but suitably narrow grey edges of the fr data box make the box eye-pleasing and visually thought out and not so fully supercharged. —Olimar 16 August 2016 at 5:19pm (EEST) 1-3: Everything goes because they are irrelevant to the reliability of encyclopedic data 4-5: Links only if the information is sourced in the data box or in the article whose data box is concerned.


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—ACFCjne Kuopio (debate) 16 August 2016 at 5:34pm (EEST) Can we also deal with automatic formatting of models, i.e. force-feeding of units, for example?


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Its inflexibility undermines the readability of hundreds if not thousands of data boxes.


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—88.112.208.233 August 16, 2016 at 5:41pm (EEST) Just as if from one mouth all the answers.


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It's unclear to me which of the examples are from fr.wiki and en.wiki.


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—ABC10 (debate) 16 August 2016 at 6:51pm (EEST) The only example box other than fiwiki is that right edge Reblochon.


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So none are from enwiki and I mostly meant go to frwiki and enwiki to see what the stuff in them looks like.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 8:18pm (EEST) v 1 0.9em 2 1.2em 3 no (at most automatic annual figures such as time of number of inhabitants etc) 4-5 no to HTM (debate) 16 August 2016 at 6:59pm (EEST) 1) Can it be agreed that in the data boxes are used/not using automatically appearing units of measurement?


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For example, the words “cm” and “kg” automatically appear on the model Model:Hockey player's height and weight, but in the model Model:Footballer they must be written in the parameter themselves.


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In addition, there are incomprehensible tunings in some of the data boxes (e.g. in the Model:Airport Passenger Quantity parameter automatically turns all points into commas and commas into spaces), because of which the data boxes rarely go right on the first try.


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2) Could some sort of standard be created in the image parameter of the data box (i.e., always in the form kuvannimi.jpg and not e.g. [[file:imagename.jpg|220px]] as some boxes now have)?


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There are very many types of tuning here, too, and you can't know the right one except by experimenting.


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3) How about giving up mandatory parameters altogether (pl.


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The imperative of a parameter does not add value to the data boxes, because modifiers will add that information to the voluntary parameter if that information is available. -Henswick (debate) 16 August 2016 at 7:26pm (EEST) 1.


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I don't understand, I wonder if the text size is always 1 em.


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Maybe 1.2 em. 3.


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No.


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Only if the link goes to a movie year article, etc., a thematic time article.


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No.


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— In other respects along Henswick's lines, infolbox models of various subject areas are torturously frustrating to use when almost nothing is predictable, i.e.


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—Home Light (debate) 16 August 2016 at 7:33pm (EEST) Models would get “softer” if forced feeding was removed and added to the models' instructions on what and in what form to put in.


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You could still add units <* to the data box base to copy from the template's help page! — although this way: *; unit —> remove only parentheses with -style.


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Creating a data box would be easier and its contents would be in a consistent but unique format.


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Sure, a large number of lots would have to be upgraded, but there are bots and avid modifiers for that.


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—88.112.208.233 16 August 2016 at 7:50pm (EEST) Home light, it is relative to the size of the bread text, etc. (should look where it is exactly, but in any case it is relative to the text size of the host element) ie text-size: 0.9 is 90% of the text size of the host element, meaning all data boxes have smaller text size than what breadtext is.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 8:18pm (EEST) Henswick: 1.)


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I suppose.


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Although with respect to that number of passengers, if you read the instructions, it says “Airport's (as fresh as possible) annual number of passengers.


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The number is denoted without a thousand sharpener.


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(The template automatically formats the numbers.)”


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and looking at the source code you can see that it spins the figures through the formatnum.


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At all, I think it would be a good idea for the figures to be marked without any thousand-sharpeners and let the data box shape the thousand-sharpeners if you need to do so.


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This is because if spaces or nbrs are crammed into the figures, then it's time to process them with code.


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Data boxes based on the template use the image name alone, and if the data box wants a [[image:image name.jpg|]] type parameter then the data box is usually older than that, and in any case you would probably need a rewrite or even list them somewhere.


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I have no opinion on this other than that the information boxes I have made must have always had all parameters voluntary.


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—Zache (debate) 16 August 2016 at 9:04pm (EEST) 1) Ok. What is problematic about that number of passengers is that this system forces to report the number of passengers in mere Arabic numerals, although in some cases a different form of expression (e.g. 123,400,000 vs.


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$123.4 million) might be more meaningful.


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Though I don't bring the coding side so much to understand that I would know how much of that current system then is useful in working with code.


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2) Ok, this clarified the issue.


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3) Ok. Would it be theoretically possible to remove the imperative of parameters from all data boxes with a bot without causing any significant harm from this (i.e.


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some of the information boxes would go broke as a result of the cleanup)? -Henswick (debate) 16 August 2016 at 11:23pm (EEST) Mandatory parameters?


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Henswick, could you for clarification please cite someone/some data boxes with mandatory parameters that either cause or do not cause problems ko.


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when using the data box? —Htm (debate) 17 August 2016 at 00:20 (EEST) Is there any misunderstanding of Wikipedia's policies that are obliging all editors?


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A data box is not mandatory, that is, not doing things to data boxes, writing the information into the article and leaving the data box tinkering to those for whom it is important.


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The data content in the data box must be verifiable from reliable sources presented.


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—ACFCjne Kuopio (debate) 17 August 2016 at 3:14pm (EEST) The mandatory parameter is therefore a parameter in the models without which the template does not work.


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For example, in the template, the url is a mandatory parameter.


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In data boxes such parameters are usually those that are always displayed whether the user they specified or not.


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For their part, the voluntary parameters are such that if their information is not filled in, the data line in question is simply not displayed and, as a rule, in almost all models, all parameters are optional and mandatory are mainly those that affect the model to functionality.


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For example, the parameter “year” displayed in the header of the data box.


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—Zache (debate) 17 August 2016 at 10:35pm (EEST) Well so quite a bit of it can any automatic check feed is completely arbitrary.


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Another point is that screen readers, for example, are not very cleverly coping with abbreviations.


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For example, if you write figures in the style though 123 4billion.


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so the screen reader reads it as one hundred and twenty-three M r d (the truncating point of the sentence) rather than 123 billion.


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—Zache (discussion) 17 August 2016 at 07:38 (EEST) I added to the page Broken_Data Boxes where you can add information boxes that should be tinkered with (e.g. those with forced units or images in [[image:foo.jpg]] format.


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If the list grows long, then you can move it from there to your page.


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—Zache (discussion) 17 August 2016 at 09:49 (EEST) I also added a comment to the help text of the Broken Data Boxes section that while adding the template to the list, a comment should be added to the template discussion page stating that the template is being changed and where there should be a link to this discussion as well as to that wiki project page.


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You can also add a mention to the discussion pages of template-related wiki projects.


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—Zache (debate) 18 August 2016 at 12:26pm (EEST) You could remove the flags and other unnecessary decorations of countries at the same time. —194.251.119.208 17 August 2016 at 1:46pm (EEST) Good idea.


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—raid5 (debate) 17 August 2016 at 10:49pm (EEST) I suppose there is a need for tickets?


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Among other things, the fr wiki praised in this discussion makes extensive use of flag designs.


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Flags bring a bit of colour and cheer to the information boxes, and I think at least they make it clearer when you quickly see the flag of the country.


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— ComradeUranium (debate) 17 August 2016 at 10:52pm (EEST) Would sports, music and car articles perhaps fit?


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For some music articles, I've edited list rankings and added a ticket with goal links.


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By the way, I think they are quite variegated.


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—raid5 (discussion) 17 August 2016 at 23:04pm (EEST) In the car article, I myself indicated in the information box with flag models the countries of manufacture.


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Furthermore, in the FR wiki it would seem to be practice to also put a flag template at the manufacturer, e.g. Nissan, Mercedes-Benz.


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— ComradeUranium (debate) 17 August 2016 at 11:34pm (EEST) I agree with Comrade Uranium that flags bring colour to information boxes and make them clearer. I myself use flag designs, for example, in the context of US cities, because the declaration of cities requires often in many cities of the same name due to a long litany of different refinements. “


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Fremont, Alameda County, California” is shorter and easier to perceive than “Fremont, Alameda County, California, United States.” -Henswick (debate) August 18, 2016 at 00:00am (EEST) Approximately old flags have been used in connection with athletes.


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Cars are produced anytime, perhaps the “homeland” of the car brand can be flagged, but otherwise the box becomes a mixed racket if there are several manufacturing countries for the same model or brand.


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In general, the information box should not encompass all possible information, the box easily becomes too long.


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I think that you had to settle for investing only relevant, preferably scarce and text then be able to list more features.


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The information box gets color even with the image. —Htm (debate) 18 August 2016 at 05:01am (EEST) Sensible speech.


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My first car was a Fiesta that shows the flags of three countries.


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They do not help the information seeker much, the information comes from the text, that is, the flags are just an ornament to the delight of the author of the box's own eye.


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—ABC10 (debate) 18 August 2016 at 09:05 (EEST) I did not roll the article to the end, there are nine (9) tickets in the last box.


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—ABC10 (debate) 18 August 2016 at 09:08 (EEST) Tickets really seem natural mainly if the subject of the article has somehow represented their country.


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Sometimes the outcome can even be grotesque; would you cheer up, say, the places of death of Nazi victims with swastika flags?


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—Silvonen (debate) 21 August 2016 at 6:56pm (EEST) Even in the locality articles, flags deliver the decoration posts.


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Perceiving is probably an individual thing, and most people who pass elementary school can at least still read well.


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The world's catalogue of flags is extensive, with only a fraction of flags familiar to most people.


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Who distinguishes all vertical and cross-striped flags, e.g. Guinea and Mali.


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—ABC10 (debate) 18 August 2016 at 09:16am (EEST) The images of the flags have for some reason been used in some articles to symbolise languages in addition to states.


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For example, in the Moomintroll information box under “Actor (s)”, the characters (or voice actors) who have played the character in Finnish and Swedish are separated by Finnish and Swedish flags, even though all the persons mentioned are actually Finnish.


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I think the use of flag images, at least in such contexts, should be stopped and gladly banned, because there is little point in it.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 27 August 2016 at 3:40pm (EEST) How would you make the same point equally briefly and clearly?


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And there's a Japanese-speaking voice actor.


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— ComradeUranium (debate) 27 August 2016 at 3:57pm (EEST) The use of tickets as language symbols belongs to tourist clubs and not in the encyclopedia.


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Short symbols are, of course, but not clear but inaccurate or incorrect (such as the use of the Swedish flag here as a symbol of Finnish Swedish).


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—Silvonen (debate) 27 August 2016 at 4:03pm (EEST) Kaipa (voice) actors' languages must be expressed verbally if they are to be mentioned in the information box.


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The Finnish state has two official languages, so the Finnish flag cannot be interpreted as a reference specifically to the Finnish language.


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Now that use of flags gives the impression that Sixten Lundberg and Lasse Pöysti are Swedish nationality.


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Time many states have more than one official language and quite a few languages are spoken as the main language in more than one country, so using flags as symbols of languages is simply not meaningful.


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And why would highlighting the nationality of the actors be necessary in such contexts either?


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—Risukarhi (debate) 27 August 2016 at 4:09pm (EEST) Could that list include subtitles “Japanese”, “Swedish” and “Finnish”?


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I'll leave design to the more knowledgeable.


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—Silvonen (debate) 27 August 2016 at 4:12pm (EEST) Probably could.


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Although Moomintroll Keis is complicated by the fact that the other persons mentioned have merely dubbed the character in animated films, but Lasse Pöysti has actually played it in the theatre and in front of the camera.


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“Real” acting and just dubbing should perhaps also be differentiated somehow, since emphasis on language is relevant mainly in the context of dubbing (when different language versions of the same animations have different actors).


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I think the same thing is coming up with many other fiction characters, as many characters have been seen over the ages both animated and played by live actors.


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—Rasukarhi (debate) 28 August 2016 at 1:23pm (EEST) @Henswick:, the biggest problem with unifying models is that there are so damn many of them.


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For example, if one would like to unify the use of the image parameter, then as a wiki code it is set by about 20000-25000 articles.


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Articles using newer templates are written in separate parameters the name of the image and the width of the image is something like 50000.


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Separate data boxes are something like 70 (wiki code images) + 250 (data box/image-template users).


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(here is a list of those who use wiki code) In addition, these cannot be automated because at least some of the models have been implemented in such a way that they have images consisting of multiple images.


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Another thing that was hoped to be harmonized is the nationality/citizenship parameters, which in the worst case are used to cross the parameter with nationality and the title displayed on the information box is nationality or vice versa.


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In addition, the titles have been varied in time.


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abstract data boxes and Raid5 browsed the discussions) Basically, the correct solution for this would be to change the headers to match the headers AND add both exchange information to the data boxes and let users choose which one to fulfill or both.


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This, in principle, is the easiest, because adding units to the parameters is pretty straightforward work automatically, and due to the current implementation, it is also pretty unambiguous.


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Secondly, if you don't mind that the wiki code is missing a unit, then the data box will be able to inject an identification to whether the input has a unit or not, in which case it only adds a unit if it is missing from the input.


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I experimented with one of those models.


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In any case, the problem is that there are so many different data boxes and you should almost select the data boxes that want to be unified/updated, etc. —Zache (debate) 19 August 2016 at 8:56pm (EEST) Ok. Even if the old models are not unified in all respects, we could of course still put uniform instructions into practice and ensure that all new data boxes work with the same logic.


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One relatively lightweight option would be to maintain a bot list of new data boxes and visually go through all new boxes immediately after they are created, with problems still to be fixed.


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However, data boxes are created quite sparsely and checking their formatting would be very quick, so I wouldn't think the system would crash at least not to the waning of user interest after initial enthusiasm (as is usually the case with many new systems from Wikipedia to visit) .-Henswick ( Discussion) 20 August 2016 at 00:48 (EEST) Well it may be that the check might mean rewriting its data box if the new data box is based on a data box from 2006, but in principle approx.


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I made a modification to the swimmer data box as an experiment () that it recycles the image parameter through a template that identifies whether the input has a wiki code or just the name of the image and if it is just the name of the image, then it turns it into a wiki code image.


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That is, you can define an image as image= [[image:example.jpg|200px|example]] or just image = example.jpg, in which case you can specify that the image name should be injected into the image parameter even though the parameter for historical reasons supports wiki code in some models.


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There are about 70-80 modifying data boxes, which is quite a modifiable number.


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Another change I made is that if the witch is changed, the images in the data boxes could be changed so that they retrieve the image from wikidata if the image is not specified in the data box.


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(I made a class for the bathing data box Category:Articles whose image comes from Wikidata for those articles whose image has been retrieved from wikidata).


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—Zache (discussion) 22 August 2016 at 2:41pm (EEST) Related trifle: It would be nice if the dates printed by the age models with their age years always remained in the same line.


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Are always just its n.


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Between 20 and 30 characters in length, so there should be no problem fitting them in the same line.


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The problem exists, at least, in science-and-actor-information boxes; example articles by Albert Einstein and Marlon Brando, who would seem clearer and tidier without that pointless line break.


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31.169.51.131 20 August 2016 at 02:01 (EEST) I have them remain on the same line.


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I wonder where the problem might be.


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—Abc10 (debate) on 20 August 2016 at 09:06 (EEST), the nìn has signs preventing the line from breaking at several points.


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There is a normal space between the month and the year, where the spacing occurs from that point.


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(I'm actually on a cell phone so I can't fix up, but someone else could try smarting those by changing nbsp characters to regular spaces.


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— 2001:14 BB: 80:5841:CD 47:8 D 2:6249:654 E 20 August 2016 at 11:03am (EEST) Here's another opinion in favour of album and singles models (surprise, surprise).


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When listing listings, the template has the flag more of a clarifying factor than a distracting factor.


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If there are, say, 15 list positions in the model, then flag the text cluster (Sverigetopplistan, Finnish Official List, VG-lista etc.)


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it's hard to account for, and you don't necessarily know what country lists they even are from.


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Alternatively, it is convenient to mark list investments with just a ticket (as, say, here).


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I couldn't read the other comments, so I don't know if this issue has already been mentioned, but I don't know if my “own” plot is concerned.


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—Vilhokki (debate) 21 August 2016 at 10:20pm (EEST) The item you linked is more concise on the tickets.


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I have included a link to an article about the country in question in some flags: {{paint flag/image link|United Kingdom|United Kingdom}}.


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—raid5 (debate) 21 August 2016 at 10:56pm (EEST) Here's how!


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And hey, thank you, you could start favoring that style.


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—Vilhokki (debate) 21 August 2016 at 11:32pm (EEST) Such a question is there any reason why figures are written 1000000km instead of writing through a template that would produce the same outcome.


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A fictional example would be, say, {{number|1000000 km}} or {{number|1000000|km}}?


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—Zache (discussion) 22nd August 2016 at 2:57pm (EEST) I have used the NTS template in some tables now and then, no units can be added to it.


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I tried looking for the number model but couldn't find it.


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—raid5 (debate) 22 August 2016 at 10:42pm (EEST) There is no number model and the question was mainly whether we should have.


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At least I think recycling figures through a model is a clearer way than what that current one is.


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—Zache (debate) 22 August 2016 at 10:47pm (EEST) Well then there must be one.


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—raid5 (debate) 22 August 2016 at 11:46pm (EEST) It is now —Zache (debate) 23 August 2016 at 3:44pm (EEST) Thank you.


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I guess it would be a better name, since the number primarily means a single character between 0 and 9, but I see it's already reserved.


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—Silvonen (debate) on 25 August 2016 at 06:34 (EEST) could probably be transferred to the name:natural number without it becoming insurmountable problems.


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—Zache (debate) 25 August 2016 at 09:54am (EEST) Can the number model be used with the status of its nts model in tables, for example, or do they have different uses?


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—raid5 (debate) 25 August 2016 at 10:35am (EEST) They are doing different things at least at the moment.


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The wiki code they print as follows, i.e. that first one makes that invisible span element used in sorting: {{nts|18245.64}} → &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&018245.064000018 245,64 {{number|18245.64}} → 18 245.64 —Zache (discussion) 25 August 2016 10.58 (EEST) I moved the data box - to the name:natural number and template name and model name @Raid5:.


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—Zache (debate) 25 August 2016 at 7:07pm (EEST) Thank you for the information.


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I'm adopting the template.


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—raid5 (debate) 25 August 2016 at 8:17pm (EEST) A question from someone who has been practising writing for decades why the numbers need to be written in a layman if the way taught in school produces the same and faster and so that the dumber part of it?


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—ABC10 (debate) 31 August 2016 at 2:11pm (EEST) It is for the purpose of distinguishing between the fact that the figure is 123 500 one hundred and thirty-three and five hundred.


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For that reason, they have also been injected with &nbrs; signs between them.


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One practical example where that has really mattered has been, for example, how speech synthesizers have read the figures.


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—Zache (debate) 31 August 2016 at 2:21pm (EEST) This project could be completed now after a comfortable discussion on various topics.


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The Wikipedia:Wikipedia:WikiProject Templates/Alignments/Databox Styles page could compile guidelines on templates' formatting based on the results of the discussion.


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A compilation of the five questions asked by Zache early in the debate: 1 to 2.


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A few different figures in two comments (the formatting of the information boxes in the FR-wiki was considered good by three users) 3.


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Three users supported the use of small-tags and two opposed.


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It would probably take a broader Pizza vs Pitsa style opinion poll to achieve a final result.


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4th—5 a.m.


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Five users advocated omitting links in the points shown.


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In addition, the two users supported linking in some special cases, such as with Movie Year articles.


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So you could probably draw an alignment from excluding annual reading links in the main part of cases (e.g. film year articles and birthdays of persons).


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—Msaynevirta (k · m) 13 September 2016 at 12:15pm (EEST) The summary would do well to take all opinions into account and not only those who supported their own opinion.


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Similarly, the opinions expressed in the previous date and small tag debate should also be included here. —91.159.47.152 7 October 2016 at 6:50pm (EEST) Automatic images of data boxes related to that upper discussion where it was hoped that the image parameters of data boxes would work the same way everywhere I added from the old model (image = [[image:example.jpg|250px|example] syntax to data boxes using the ability to specify images by just image name.


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(image = example.jpg).


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At the same time, I added to these the feature that if the image is not specified, then let's see if the image can be found on Wikidata and if found then use it.


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So far, the only problem that has come up with this is that the image from wikidata has already been used in the article, so that the same image is in the article twice.


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Articles whose images are from wikidata can be found in the category Articles whose image comes from Wikidata, so you can see what that does and the essential question here is whether to keep it enabled and inject all the data boxes to support the fact that if the image is not not defined so use the image found on Wikidata if there is one?


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—Zache (debate) 23 August 2016 at 4:20pm (EEST) Some articles had two information boxes, such as for example Muammar Gaddafi and Moshe Dayan.


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In both, the lower information box looks extra.


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Automatically retrieving images from Wikidata improves the level of articles (after minor corrections).


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—raid5 (debate) 23 August 2016 at 10:19pm (EEST) Can you somehow block the image if the Wikidata image is not valid?


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Just deleting the parameter may not be good, as someone can add it back.


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—raid5 (debate) August 23, 2016 at 10:45pm (EEST) Get.


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By injecting the parameter to “-” it will not result anything.


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The same applies to other wikidata values when images.


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Such a note that due to how I implemented that, the value “-” prevents the image from being printed, but it does not prevent the line from being printed.


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I.e.


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the information box came up with an empty line for Muammar Gaddafi before I fixed it and I had to fix the other information boxes with the same story.


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—Zache (discussion) 23 August 2016 at 11:25pm (EEST) Now that blank line print has been fixed.


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—Zache (discussion) 24 August 2016 at 10:33am (EEST) Retrieving images from Wikidata seems to cause quite frequent errors.


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I went through a random sampling of 30 articles from that class and from those to every six the picture had come in double or somehow otherwise silly.


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In addition, images which do not belong to it appear on Wikidata sometimes appear in the information boxes: e.g. a poor quality photograph of flowers appeared in the information box of an article about one of them. -Henswick (debate) 24 August 2016 at 00:05 (EEST) Yep, yes, there is a witch.


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My personal vibe based estimate is that there would be less than 1/6 of them, but yes you run into them when you browse articles.


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I cleaned up double images of those articles with more data boxes that I found on AWB, but if you come up against my multi-data box problem, you could tip them off.


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—Zache (discussion) 24 August 2016 at 10:33am (EEST) If there are no more comments, then at the beginning of the week I could inject that images from wikidata into the data boxes that use the template.


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—Zache (discussion) August 26, 2016 at 12:10pm (EEST) Does the Wikidata image override the image in the article or prevent the image from being changed for the better?


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—ABC10 (debate) 26 August 2016 at 4:33pm (EEST) The data box can always be deleted, it cannot become a problem.


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Outsourced data from the data box must not naturally be discarded, they must be transferred to the text if they are not already there.


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—ACFCjne Kuopio (debate) 26 August 2016 at 4:57pm (EEST) No.


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If there is already a defined image in the information box, then the image from Wikidata will not appear in the article.


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In addition, the automatic image imported from Wikidata can be completely removed without a replacement image by adding a line -.-Henswick (discussion) 26 August 2016 at 5:06pm (EEST) I hope I make the correct conclusion when I conclude that the wikidata image can also be changed to another.


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From the response of the Kuopiolian defendant, I don't see what it has to do with this.


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—Abc10 (debate) 26 August 2016 at 6:57pm (EEST) Juu is able to.


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The value of the image imported from Wikata comes from.


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(for example, in the article: Michael Adams (Q299636) it is “Adams rd6 4thEUIO.JPG” and it can be changed just by clicking “edit”.


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—Zache (discussion) 27 August 2016 at 10:19am (EEST) So the template in the article can change the image to another than what comes from Wikidata?


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—ABC10 (debate) 27 August 2016 at 10:26am (EEST) Yes.


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Exactly what Henswick said and that what I wrote was the answer to whether the image can also be changed on wikidata.


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—Zache (discussion) 27 August 2016 at 10:42am (EEST) It begins to feel that the same applies here as often in the comments of some users: if there are two ways to understand it, wrong and correct, it will be misunderstood.


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My question means in plain language: If Wikidata becomes an image that wants to be replaced by another image linked from the Commons, specifically on wikipedia and not on Wikidata, can it be replaced by Wikidata not supplanting that image, but the link I have added to the Commons image itself produce the image I want and not the image that comes from Wikidata?


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(I wonder if I could ask unequivocally now?)


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—ABC10 (debate) 28 August 2016 at 09:01am (EEST) If the third time was actually said by a third respondent, that is, yes can be replaced locally.


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—Stryn (debate) 28 August 2016 at 10:40am (EEST) The first answer was “You can always delete the information box”, and the later ones before you did not answer the question I finally twisted from the wire.


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Thank you all for the effort.


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—ABC10 (debate) 28 August 2016 at 11:29am (EEST) Did Henswick just answer that original question above?


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And Zache, as far as I can tell, confirmed Henswick's answer very clearly in his latter response.


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So your question had already been answered twice before the wireframe.


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It is true that the first, or ACFCetc Kuopio's comment did not contain an answer to the question asked.


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—Risukarhi (debate) 28 August 2016 at 1:14pm (EEST) “If there is already a defined image in the information box, then the Wikidata image will not appear in the article.


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In addition, the automatic image imported from Wikidata can be completely deleted without a replacement image by adding a line to the image parameter -.”


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But if the information box already has a Wikidata image, the question is whether the added image will appear.


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Since I do not understand technology, I am happy to answer the very question I have asked and not the answer across the beach, so that its purpose has to be interpreted and deduced.


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But I wonder if this discussion is enough if the image added once supplants the Wikidata image and not the other way around.


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New thank you all for the effort.


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—Abc10 (debate) 28 August 2016 at 2:34pm (EEST) That's what I came across: Flame more.


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So it's because the data box has two parameters for different types of images.


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In this case, “logo” and “picture”.


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91.158.233.245 September 2, 2016 at 04:04am (EEST) Thank you for the announcement.


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There weren't many of them, and that was because of the template code.


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I fixed that and went through those video game articles whose picture was from wikidata.


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—Zache (debate) 2 September 2016 at 09:31 (EEST) Schools started Now that schools have started again and classes are subject to vandalism, whether it would be appropriate to start reporting these messes directly to the helpdesc of the institutions concerned, etc.


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There would be physical talking to the messers and eradicating vandalism.


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It may be difficult to implement — on 30 August 2016 at 1:22pm (EEST) The idea is in itself good and worthwhile if (1) someone can find out the addresses of the helpdesks and contacts them and (2) those helpdesks do something about it.


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Toho's number one point as a comment, when you look at the address so easily the address holder is “Ompahanvaanjärvi municipality” and the abuse address is "abuse@isoteleoperaattori.fi”.


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Then start to find out which of the six educational institutions in Ompahanvaanjärvi is involved, and whether there is anyone to contact at that institution.


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— Another practical measure is extensive space inhibitions, cf.


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Discussion on Wikipedia:Mobile Networks #Syksy 2016.


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—Jmk (debate) 30 August 2016 at 2:48pm (EEST) Let's tell you here, too, that I caught four big blocks yesterday and today: 37.219.0.0/16 (DNA), 188.238.0.0/16 (TeliaSonera), 2001:999: :/32 (Elisa) and 2001:14 bb: :/32 (DNA).


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This should reduce someplace mobile clutching very considerably.


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(Discussion of mobile blocking if necessary here: Discussion on Wikipedia:Mobile networks) Schools' own addresses are then separately, they will probably get months of blocking again as the mess accumulates.


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—Jmk (debate) 31 August 2016 at 4:50pm (EEST) I think the most joy would be from an anti-vandalism bot that automatically repeals vandalism when it (A) identifies the editing as vandalism AND (B) when the editing comes from an IP area that becomes a lot of clutter AND (C) when edit is directed at an article that has been messed up in the past.


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Of these, B and C may be hand-maintained lists and are more or less known.


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To point A, ORES acts as a quality classifier of edits, but its training material should be sited before it has any joy.


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On top of this, the bot should be coded and someone should shave it.


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—Zache (discussion) 30 August 2016 at 3:29pm (EEST) You must have been referring to that ClueBot_ng bot, which is an anti-vandalism solution.


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However, it does not meet all the requirements you suggest.


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I don't know if you can put that classification of IP ranges, for example.


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It requires 10,000 examples of plain editing and 10,000 examples of vandalism.


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Does anyone have the balls to introduce this in the Finnish wikipedia and enough know-how from the technical side?


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Server maintenance, of course, requires money and applying for a grant from the Foundation might be wise if this was enabled.


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That ORES project is promising, but still at an early stage, so it's hard to say what its outcome will be.


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@Zache: Fisuaq (discussion) 5 September 2016 at 3:31pm (EEST) I was actually referring to the classification of ORES, which would require first sorting these words (example), which requires an order of magnitude less work.


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Although the hit accuracy is also lower than that of a cluebot, but yes it still flags suspicious edits.


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And to clarify, I thought that a bot that realizes over IP addresses is able to tire itself even on PyWikiBot.


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—Zache (debate) 5 September 2016 at 3:48pm (EEST) And the softa itself can rotate even with access to a database with mirrored wikipedias.


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—Zache (debate) 5 September 2016 at 3:55pm (EEST) Ok. —Fisuaq (debate) 5 September 2016 at 4:00pm (EEST) As someone who works in the education sector at IT, I would suspect that most institutions in the education sector have neither the time nor the interest to deal with pupil and student entanglements, nor is it typically data protection and other technical Constraints taking into account even possible.


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Certainly, it is a beautiful idea, and blocking the entire school's IP space can lead to discussion at a general level in an educational institution.


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—Mikkom (♫) September 2, 2016 at 00:35am (EEST)


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Fallen (cartoon character)

Fallen is a comic book character appearing in comic books by the Marvel publishing house, known as Galactus' first assistant.


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Today, the Langennut has moved on to serve the sinister Thano.


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The character was created by Keith Giffen.


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The fallen first appeared in issue 11 (2004) of Thanos magazine.


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History The true descent of the fallen is shrouded in obscurity.


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Eons ago, the destroyer of worlds Galactus rings to the Fallen with great powers in his attempt to create a helper for himself to find worlds suitable for eating.


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Unlike later sidekicks who use cosmic power, the Fallen was given the ability to control dark matter.


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However, the fallen would appear to have come from a humanoid-like race.


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His skin, though, is black or dark blue.


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Galactus, however, grew weary of the atrocities and madness of the Fallen.


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Eventually, Galactus captured his first auxiliary, who nevertheless escaped his prison and struck against Galactus.


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Galactus, however, had no trouble again defeating the Fallen and so he was again taken prisoner.


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However, since dark matter exists for good, the Langennut eventually amassed enough energy to escape his prison once again.


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Angry, he again sought revenge, but after endless defeats, Star Lord Peter Quill defeated him with huge losses and imprisoned the Fallen Kyln (a superprison in the Marvel Universe located at the edge of the universe).


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However, Kyln was later attacked by Mad Titan Thanos and in the ensuing loss, Langennut broke free.


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This set off again in search of Galactus when Thanos struck a maniacal creature, defeating him.


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Using his immense powers, Thanos brainwashed and lobotomized the Fallen, making this his own obedient helper.


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Powers and Equipment The Fallen controls dark matter and uses it as a source of power similar to what Galactus' other sidekicks use for their cosmic power.


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Since the universe is mostly made up of dark matter, the Fallen has a never-ending resource at its disposal.


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The fallen survives unaided in the vacuum of space devoid of food or drink.


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He can fly over the speed of light (and/or can move into hyperspace).


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The fallen has tremendous physical strength (he lifts about 75 tons) and stamina.


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The fallen has fired power strikes that have wrecked huge spaceships.


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The fallen is psychotic by nature and has no morals whatsoever.


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It was for this reason that Galactus banished him from him.


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Curiously, though, is that in Galactus' 'separation' from his other auxiliaries, he has generally removed control of cosmic power from these.


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However, the fallen has been allowed to retain his power even though he has often tried to take Galactus' life.


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Thanos speculates the retained power level in the Fallen is an indication of Galactus' guilt.


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Johannes Linnankoski

Johannes Linnankoski (right. Vihtori Johan Peltonen 18 October 1869 Askola — 10 August 1913 Helsinki) was a Finnish writer.


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Johannes Linnankoski

His best known work is Song of the Scarlet Flower.


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Johannes Linnankoski

[1] The bearing themes of his books are the moral problems of guilt, punishment, and atonement.


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Johannes Linnankoski

Childhood and adolescence Peltonen's parents were Juho and Maria Peltonen.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The farming family had seven children, of whom Vihtori was the youngest.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

At the time of Vihtor's birth, his parents were sharecroppers at Maria Peltonen's home farm, but later the family built a new house called Niemenpelto, which now serves as Linnankoski Museum in Askola.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Vihtori Peltonen attended Askola National School in 1877—1882 with good success.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

He then worked in forestry work in the winters and in the spring in support of the Porvoonjärvi River.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

In 1888—1890 Peltonen attended the Jyväskylä seminary, which he did not complete, however.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

He was then employed by Werner Söderström, a Porvoo publishing house for a year, until he had to leave in November 1891 to complete his two-year military service.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

In the army, Peltonen was first as a scribe and then as a flicker pupil.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

During his time in the army, he was also a correspondent for the Finnish newspaper and already attracted attention by his writings at the time.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen also studied Swedish, Danish and German during these years.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

After Peltonen's exit from the army in autumn 1893, his former employer, Werner Söderström, offered him a position as editor at Uusimaa magazine, which was in the grounds.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen then went around the keepers in Eastern Uusimaa, acquiring agents, correspondents and new subscribers for the magazine.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The magazine's delivery was located in Porvoo, and its sample number appeared on 8 December 1894.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen took a bold stand on current issues in the magazine, addressing issues such as language issues, crofters and labour issues.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen co-founded a Finnish-language grammar school in Porvoo, which started operating in autumn 1895 under the name of the Finnish Joint School in Porvoo (now Linnankoski High School), and in 1896 the Porvoo Suomalainen Association, which focused on the promotion of Finnishness and the use of the Finnish language for facilitation.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Other projects that Peltonen was involved in initiating included a branch of the National Bank of Porvoo, the Finnish Trade Limited Company and the Uusimaa County Farming Society.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

To pursue a career as a writer, Peltonen married Miss Ester Drugg, who worked as a teacher at Porvoo Coed School in 1899, and four children were born into the family.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Around this time Peltonen resigned from Uusimaa magazine because he wanted to concentrate on his own literary work.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen and his family moved from Porvoo and then lived in several localities around Finland, including Lapinlahti in the village of Alalengu, Koski in Turku County, Salo region, Haliko and Haukivuori.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

In Karinais he lived for more than two years and when he moved from there in 1902 he started using the Johannes Linnankoski name.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The family spent summers either in Askola or Nurmes with his father Erkki brother, who worked as a national school teacher there.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

Peltonen acquired income for his family during these years through translation and delivery works.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

However, in 1903 he published his first work of fiction: the Eternal Battle, a play about the Bible, like all his future works, Peltonen published under the pseudonym Johannes Linnankoski.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The first piece was well received and Peltonen received the Finnish Literature Society Prize for it.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

In 1905, a novel about a scarlet flower appeared, which actually brought Linnankoski's name to fame.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The novel was the author's home region, the village of Askola keeper, Vakkola. For example, the role of Kohiseva described in the book was Vakkola's rapids.


Question: When did Johannes Linnankoski die?

Johannes Linnankoski

The events of the short story “Battle for the House of Heikkilä”, which appeared in the same year, were also located in the village of Vakkola.