 Since place is neither matter nor form nor extension, dimensio, i.e., an extension that is always independent from that of the movable, Aristotle concludes that place has to be the limit of the surrounding body (peras tou periekhontos sōmatos, Phys. IV.4, 212a2–6). Place does not move essentially, and Averroes says that Aristotle gave a renowned argument, rationemfamosam, to support his tenet (LC 140F TC42; Phys. 212a21–30). The surface surrounding the last sphere of universe is the absolute above, and the center of the universe, i.e., the earth, the absolute below and just as the center is stable, the outmost surface is too; they cannot move at all. Averroes adds that the air is above and the water below “but not absolutely”, since Aristotle could mention fire also, as being light. The argument can be organized as a syllogism of the second figure, and two affirmative propositions: 