 We have already encountered the so-called argument of the bad lot, which, we saw, is valid as a criticism of ABD1 but powerless against various (what we called) congruous rules of abduction. We here consider two objections that are meant to be more general. The first even purports to challenge the core idea underlying abduction; the second is not quite as general, but it is still meant to undermine a broad class of candidate explications of abduction. Both objections are due to Bas van Fraassen.