 I said these were the two opposing camps. In truth there is another one—one that used to be very popular but now seems sparsely populated, at least among philosophers. People in this third camp eschew efforts to domesticate evil; for them, what we mean by “evil” is not equivalent to what we mean by “bad” or “wrong” or even “very very very bad” or “very very very wrong”. In other words, evil is not just illness, misfortune, or malevolent choices by another name but rather a positive, substantial rottenness in the universe. It is, or has its origin in, some non-agential force or shadow side of reality—something spooky, imperceptible, but out there (“in them woods”).