 As already suggested, the three conditions overlap. Thus, imperfect humans always remain (albeit tenuously) in the initial state of (mere) humanity (DJN II.2.9–10), even when the other two natural states have been partially sublated by culture and politics; for they are always subject to, and somehow responsible for, the norms deriving from divine imposition or, alternatively, required by and for human beings as such. That is, as neither beasts nor gods, they lack the automatism of the former and the spontaneous goodness of the latter, and always carry a fallible burden of judgment, as it were. The latter two states may coincide as well, though usually incompletely, in that humans may exit a pre-cultural state of need while still in a pre-civil state of insecurity, or they may enjoy the security of a civil state while relatively deprived of cultural goods. As well, even though need satisfaction and cultural development typically occur before and apart from political order, in cities as opposed to states, the latter sometimes seem a precondition of the former processes – as Pufendorf knew well from the circumstances of the Thirty Years War. 