 Hence Plotinus can dismiss technê as later than soul and imitating it, making unclear and weak copies, childish things not worth much, stacking up many devices in making an image of nature (IV. 3. 10). Still, Plotinus makes some interesting claims about craft when he is being less severe. Making an analogy with the beauty in Nous, Plotinus says that the statue is beautiful not because of the stone but because of the form which craft puts in it. Moreover, this beauty which exists in the craft is much better than the beauty expressed in the stone (V. 8. 1). Drawing another analogy between Nous and technê, he says that the forming principles of the universe come from Nous the way the forming principles in the souls of craftsmen come from their crafts (V. 9. 3). Finally he raises the question whether technê might be based somehow in the intelligible world. In answer, he distinguishes those crafts which imitate nature from those which consider proportion in general. The former are painting, sculpture, dance, and mime. However, music deals with proportion of an intelligible kind (V. 9. 11). Music, then, has some grasp of purely intelligible proportion.