 A third area of disagreement concerns the fate of realism. If scientific kinds inevitably reflect interests and values of scientists, is it still possible to be a realist about kinds? The answer depends on what is meant with “kind realism”. Ontological pluralism implies the rejection of traditional formulations of kind realism that appeal to the idea of one fundamental and mind-independent representation of the world as it is in itself (Chakravartty forthcoming). At the same time, scientific pluralists tend to accept wider realist claims in the sense that scientific concepts are understood to reflect empirically discovered structures of the natural world even if their conceptualization inevitably entails contingent interests and values.