 Even given these refinements, rival explanations still need to be blocked. For example, perhaps the new version of Epistemology is false, and experiences only provide specifically immediate justification in optimal cases (for discussion see Munton 2016). Or perhaps the new version of Link is false, and the variations in degrees of justification can be explained in line with a traditional non-degreed picture of what experiences are. For example, consider that your experience plausibly concerns not just the potential snowman in the park, but also the amount of fog in the park and other aspects of your viewing conditions. And consider the phenomenon of defeat, where information you receive can reduce or destroy the amount of justification given by your experience. Given that your experience in effect takes a stand on the quality of your viewing conditions, perhaps your experiences in higher conditions of fog undermine the degree of justification they supply specifically to believe a snowman is there. Here we might explain the variation of degrees of justification through variation in the experience, but through garden variety non-degreed perceptual content concerning viewing conditions, rather than any more striking degreed character of the experiences (this sort of objection is discussed further in Beck 2020).