 In response to this concern, others note that the feeling of understanding (or the phenomenology of understanding) should not be confused with the epistemic state itself, any more than the feeling of knowing should be confused with the epistemic state of knowledge (de Regt 2004, 2017). But even if this move is granted, and we think of understanding as a full-bodied epistemic state and not a mere feeling, the relationship between explanation and understanding remains controversial.