  Finally, we might reject Plato’s scheme on the grounds that political self-determination and free expression are themselves more valuable  than Plato recognizes. This sort of response is perhaps the most  interesting, but it is by no means easy. For it is difficult to  assess the intrinsic value of self-determination and free expression, apart from skepticism about the knowledge or power of those who would limit  self-determination or free expression. Moreover, it is difficult to  balance these values against the concerns that motivate Plato. Where  does the power over massive cultural forces lie when it is not under  political control? And to what extent can we live well when our  culture is not shaped by people thoughtfully dedicated to living a  good human life? These are not questions that can be easily shrugged  off, even if we cannot embrace Kallipolis as their answer.