 Many have worried that the debate over mind-dependence is not a significant one. Gideon Rosen (1994) argued that the notion of mind-independence does not track our intuitive notion of objectivity. His arguments often take the form: X-facts are a paradigm example of mind-dependent facts, but they depend on Y-facts, and Y-facts seem perfectly real and objective even though they are obviously mind dependent. Facts about humor, for example, may depend on what humans find funny – but facts about what humans find funny are perfectly objective! Other of his arguments take the form: X-facts are clearly objective, but they depend on mental facts, and so are mind-dependent. Facts about fox terriers, for example depend causally on the intentions of those who bred them – but surely facts about fox terriers are objective!