 Both the Spirituals and the Conventuals thought this ideal of uncompromising poverty was exhibited by the life of Jesus and the Apostles, who—they said—had given up all property, both individually and collectively. St. Francis regarded this as the clear implication of several Scriptural passages: e.g., Matt. 6:24–34, 8:20, 19:21. In short, the Apostolic (and Franciscan) ideal was, “Live without a safety net.”