 In a dramatic rejection even of the traditional Roman motives of honor and glory as conventional motivations to virtue, the imagined elder statesman asks: “…and even the people who talk about us—how long will they do that?” (VI.21). As Jed W. Atkins has observed (2013:76), glory is in the Dream “first devalued, and then revalued”, in a Platonically inspired image of “the glory of the heavenly realm to which good statesmen will return” (2013: 77–78).