 What should we say about the indiscernibility of identicals in these kinds of case (real identity, formal distinction)? Haecceities explain the identity of the complete concrete objects that they compose. So complete concrete objects have self-identity. So too does each of the formalities that compose such a concrete object. But these formalities are discernible from each other. Real sameness falls short of absolute identity. (I discuss some of these issues, and others related to the varieties of distinction in Scotus, in Cross [2019].)