 Second, do note that both Creationists and ID enthusiasts are committed to some form of non-naturalist account of origins. The ties of course are stronger. ID enthusiasts pretend to be neutral about the Intelligent Designer, but they clearly do not think that he or she is natural. No one pretends that the earth and its denizens are a lab experiment being run by a grad student on Andromeda. In fact, in their own correspondence and works written for followers, they make it very clear that the Designer is the Christian God of the Gospels. They are always quoting the first chapter of John – “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” So in both cases we have an evangelical Christian motive setting the agenda on origins. Some ID enthusiasts are quite strong literalists. Johnson for instance thinks that Genesis Chapter Six might be right about their beings giants in early times – a point made much of in Genesis Flood. (Forrest and Gross 2004 do a superb job of ferreting out much of the unstated biblical foundations of Intelligent Design Theory.)