 Mohists advocated guiding reform of conventional social dàos using a natural normative 辯 biàndistinction of  利害 lì-hàibenefit-harm. For Mohists,  利害 lì-hàibenefit-harm was a 天 tiānnatural way of finding, choosing, reforming and interpreting social dàos. In contrast to Confucians, Mohists sought to elaborate their natural ways of selecting dào-like social practices as operational, objective, measurement-like processes accessible to ordinary people and not subject to training and indoctrination.