 Accordingly, normative realists hold both that there are states of affairs that are represented by, and that are the truth conditions of, normative propositions, and that there are properties that are referred to or ascribed by normative predicates. Mind-independent realist theories go beyond this basic position to add that the truth conditions of normative truths are “mind-independent” in some important sense. (We discuss the idea of mind-independence in  section 5  of this entry.) So we can distinguish between the view we will call “basic normative realism” and the view we will call “mind-independent normative realism”. Some philosophers want to reserve the term “realism” for the mind-independent form, and we will also tend to follow this usage except where we want to describe a theory as an example of basic realism.