 The puzzles around mind-dependence remain not fully explored, and it seems to us that more work is needed here. Nevertheless, we will press on now to consider arguments for and against the mind-dependence of the normative (or in some cases, the moral in particular). For simplicity, however, we will continue to talk about mind-dependence as concerning whether normative facts are grounded in mental facts. We will not attempt to cash this out in terms of either or both of the above more nuanced accounts.