 Ye goes on to argue that CCB does not over-intellectualize basing (an objection discussed further below, with doxastic theories of the basing relation), putting it beyond the ability of those – such as young children – with very few epistemic concepts because, following Moser, the belief about one’s reasons may be de re. Regarding those incapable of forming even such a de re belief, Ye argues that such cases are indistinguishable from deviant causal chains.