 Their shared assumption seems to be that Aristotelians make not only normative but also empirical claims, in particular that the moral virtues and/or vices are widely held by most people (see also Merritt 2000: 366; Sreenivasan 2002: 48, 57, 63; Sabini and Silver 2005: 538). Given that in the first stage they argued this is empirically disconfirmed, it follows that Aristotelian virtue ethics is highly problematic.