 The mind-dependence theorist can also consistently say that, even if the ICE lacks the reasons in question, we can nevertheless force him into therapy, or help his wife leave him, or try to have him arrested (Manne 2014). These actions don’t require that the cruel husband have any reasons whatsoever, but depend only on what the sympathetic onlooker or the wife has reason to do. But some will still find this unsatisfying: the husband shouldn’t be acting the way he is. And, of course, here the mind-independence theorist is happy to advertise the benefit she can offer: the husband has a reason to treat his wife better no matter what’s going on in his head (or his heart).