 However—as Hutcheson clearly understands—the reduction morality to self-interest proposed by the self-interest theorists is clearly more sophisticated than this. To see this, consider the argument connecting morality and self-interest from Hobbes. Hobbes begins with a psychological claim. According to Hobbes, humans are motivated by their own good. (Note that this is something of an oversimplification. Hobbes believes that individuals are motivated by whatever they in fact desire—but that their desires constitute the nature of their good; Leviathan, VI, IX.) This leads them into conflict, as each person desires greater power to satisfy their desires, which inevitably interferes with the desires of others. The result is violence, and “the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short” (Leviathan, XIII). Notice, however, that Hobbes thinks that these tendencies in people—their tendencies toward self-interest and self-preservation, resulting in violence—are not themselves morally problematic. He writes: 