 Nevertheless, despite the divine command themes in Ockham’s ethics, it is also clear that he wanted morality to be to some extent a matter of reason. There is even a sense in which one can find a kind of natural law theory in Ockham’s ethics; one way in which God conveys his divine commands to us is by giving us the natures we  have.[47]  Unlike Augustine, Ockham accepted the possibility of the “virtuous pagan”; moral virtue for Ockham does not depend on having access to revelation.