 Lackey (2009) replies to Greco, Riggs, and Sosa. Her response is subtle and multidimensional, but its centerpiece is a dilemma for VE’s credit thesis. Either VE’s notion of creditworthiness is substantial enough to rule out credit for Gettier subjects or it isn’t. If it is substantial enough, then it rules out too much testimonial knowledge, in which case it fails. If it isn’t substantial enough, then it suffers refutation by Gettier cases, in which case it still fails. Either way, it fails. (Compare Kvanvig 2003; Pritchard 2008b.)