 Aristotle holds that place is something but it is neither form nor matter. He gives several reasons against place being either of the two and argues, for instance, “If a thing’s place is in the thing (as it must be if it is either its form or its matter), place will be in place” (Phys. IV.2, 210a5–6) and the result is absurd. The passage causes Averroes to depart from the subject and he first considers the following propositions concerning place: